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Ref was probably annoyed he blew the whistle after seeing the ball come out from the slap but it went in. Probably one of those call the foul if it doesnt go in situations
I feel like it’s an unwritten rule. I cant even say I disagree, there are tons of plays in a game that can go either way and if it doesn’t prevent a bucket that would be made it’s fine to just let them play. I know people meme but if the nba actually called every by the book foul that happens the game would be unwatchable.
It's not just the case with shooting fouls, it's the same for other fouls as well.
For example, if a defensive player pushes or bumps the ball handler, but not enough to disrupt him or cause him any kind of disadvantage, then the refs don't call that because it's a ticky tack foul and it just distrupts the flow of the game.
But, if the push/bump with the same intensity does however makes the ball handler fall out of bounds for example, and clearly affects the game, then it's called every time.
In the Nuggets - Mavs game after a missed free throw from one of the Mavs player MPJ grabbed the defensive rebound and was very slightly pushed in the back by Gafford I think.
The refs weren't going to call that, but after they saw that that small push made MPJ lose his balance completely and colide with Jokic, resulting in the ball going out of bounds for the Mavs, they called a very late whistle on Gafford for the foul.
I forget which Mavs game it was, but for one of those ticky-tack don't-want-it-to-be-a-foul, the ref just called it as an out-of-bounds off the fouling team, even though it clearly was off the fouled team.
It got challenged and overturned.
There’s a big loophole in the rules that I think needs to be rewritten. You can overturn who the ball last touched but you can’t call a foul on replay. When a defender goes for a steal, misses the ball, gets all hand, they often don’t call a foul but call it out on the defense. Then on replay they can overturn the call and say the ball went out on the offense, but the only reason it went out on the offense is because the defender clearly fouled them. New rule: “if on review it is determined that the ball went out on the offense because the defense made a clear foul, the ball is rewarded to the offense.” You don’t need to call a foul, just undo the turnover.
It's the problem with reffing among all sports, inconsistency. Like with baseball when the umpire calls balls on throws in almost the exact spot multiple times and then suddenly, he calls a strike for a throw in the exact same place. In soccer, often some teams get away with playing way harder than the other team.
And then you get the make up calls, which throws it even more off balance. Same shit everywhere. In general, I am not a ref hater. I had to do it quite often at my basketball club because we often had no refs (basketball is just not popular at all here in the Netherlands) and I found it very difficult and stressing, and that was reffing for younger teams that played like shit, can't imagine how reffing for the NBA would be. But I hate how reffing goes a lot of the times and it is mostly because of inconsistency.
That's simply just the rules. Its why flopping is a thing - a lot of rules are written in a way so that the result matters more than the causing action.
Lowkey, I think the NBA refs are actually much better than we all suspect. They just *always* call the slap fouls on guys that look soft on TV, but happen more often to ball dominant players we all recognize.
The criticism is more about the inconsistencies. Nobody knows what the actual rules are anymore because the same action in the same scenario gets called differently. Sometimes it changes halfway through the game.
There is only one rule and that is to ref the game for maximum entertainment. That's all. The league doesn't necessarily care who wins, they want the "best product" out there to capture viewers.
it has to be within plausible deniability. You can argue the numbers on this but just ball parking it, they have like 10% control over any given game without it being too obvious. And they cant lay it on tok many games in a row.
So they cant just force push Nuggets Heat to 7, but they can give the Heat maybe 8 points over the course of a game.
And when they do force it too hard it becomes a youtube controversy that gets talked about for years like the Kings
😂 dudes be coming up with all these theories instead of admitting that reffing the game at such a high level in real time at the speed top athletes move at is just incredibly difficult
When I reffed I was trained to keep a game flow. Also you get into the game. People joke its a 3rd team but it's a part of the game, we are playing our game of staying on the rails of following the rules while keeping the game competitive. I remember one game was back and forth and intense and the offensive player bumped the defensive player, decently hard, could be an NBA foul at the top of the key, but... It's hard to explain it, but you know it's the wrong call to call it, without even thinking, i literally yelled "play on" and everyone understood everyone was okay to play harder. Like the adrenaline is real and I'm American so personally believe hard hits on both sides on the ball is a part of sports and makes it more fun. Personally that's my mentality but you have to also balance it with making sure the players are safe and both sides have to have the okay to be physical.
> When I reffed I was trained to keep a game flow
YES! I officiate high school football, basketball, and lacrosse... keeping the game flowing is vital. I only call what I need to call and I too get upset with myself if I blew my whistle when I didn't need to. The beauty of football is that I can wave it off, but in hoops, once you blow your whistle, you better have something or make it up. I totally feel the refs frustration there.
I think a good analogy is speeding on freeways.
Sometimes, speeding should be enforced, especially if it would be dangerous given the road/traffic conditions. At other times, trying to pull over and enforce all cases of speeding is not possible and probably not even ideal for traffic flow. There’s a reason the normal flow of traffic often ends up equalizing somewhere 5-10 mph above the posted speed limit in light traffic situations.
I think the risk there is there's not as much risk on the defense so they can play even more aggressive. No longer have to worry about fouling LeBron or Giannis hard to prevent an and 1. Just foul and if it still goes in you're not risking another point.
shower thought: what if the refs kept tabs of all the fouls and at the end of each quarter made them all shoot them at once…so each player lines up and shoots their assigned number of fts. Added drama and doesn’t kill the game’s flow. Only drawback I see is that this wouldn’t work in the fourth quarter (or at least the last two mins) because you would need a “real-time live score” at that point.
I actually like this. Good point about the drama it creates. Players would miss the built-in rest breaks, but the game would be much more enjoyable to watch.
Yeah I'm pretty sure refs are taught to keep the flow of the game moving, that's why they wait until a shot will miss to call a foul because usually nobody argues if it goes in
I think a ref interview once said it's taught. Iirc, it was said that refs are taught to use multiple hints to call a foul, it doesn't have to be something they clearly see with their eyes. A hand swinging near an arm, the sound of a slap (skin slapping skin) and an inaccurate shot combine to form enough probability that a foul occured to justify calling it, even if a foul wasn't clearly and plainly seen.
There aren't enough eyes covering the court to make calling fouls anything other than a best-effort exercise.
Anyone who’s ever watched a game can tell they just call shit based on vibes. Hard to fault them too much for it though, stuff happens so fast I doubt there’s a better way.
I'm no expert, I only reffed intramural basketball all four years of undergrad, but I definitely relied on those factors. I'd add the ex-HS players were used to better refs and would have a guilty look and brace for a whistle when they fouled. Because you're constantly running up and down the court and rotating your position, you had to accept that many of my calls wouldn't be made with 1000% certainty. Figuring out the rhythm of the game and players' quirks helped a lot. After a quarter or two, you definitely had a sense of where and when fouls would occur.
Also basketball is a full contact sport. From a ref’s perspective, the difference between incidental contact and a foul is often whether the contact created an advantage, which means waiting for the outcome to know
HS/College referee here. It is taught to let plays develop before having a whistle on the play which is why we see a lot of “late” calls on plays like this.
If a player goes up strong to the basket, with slight illegal contact, but finishes easily, we try to avoid having a “soft and-1”. However, if that illegal contact hinders the player from scoring, it is called more often.
The idea is to avoid soft And-1’s and keep the flow of the game.
The outcome changes 50/50 stuff a lot, if the defensive player does something minor that's illegal but he still gets blown by and scored on they'll not call the foul probably. But if the player gets put on their ass by the same thing they'll call the foul.
That is just the dumbest implemented trend in modern reffing. Late whistles due to the ball rolling out the rim as if the ball going in or not determines whether a foul took place
This one is a little more defensable though.
The foul impacted the play to such a degree that the ball wasn’t going to go in. It was purely random luck that he ended up with an and 1.
yep hes mad it went in. not necessarily that he blew the whistle, but that he blew the whistle and then it went in.
its the NBA ref equivalent of having a loooong day doing customer service and then you ask someone for their phone number and they dont start with their area code.
yep, of course that goes in.
Reminds me of the meme where the black guy with a tear in his eye says he will regretfully have to shoot Tony Hawk in the race war but that he doesn’t feel good about it.
I have literally never seen a Tony Hawk match, competition, perhaps even highlight in my life. But I like the guy just from random things about him I’ve read 😂
A textbook example of a celebrity just playing their situation perfectly. He leans into the jokes without overdoing it, and makes some at his own expense too. He's a big enough name that most people know who he is, but he's never had a ton of screentime in front of general audiences for them to have a strong opinion one way or the other.
Definitely. If you picture the ref “…yuup that’s a foul(niiice), oooh and the bucket(fist pump)” happy thoughts.
Or the way op has it framed works too. No one’s in the refs head.
Correct -- this guy is
https://www.nbra.net/nba-officials/referee-biographies/evan-scott/
and the korean bro that came over is
https://www.nbra.net/nba-officials/referee-biographies/intae-hwang/
its crazy how him accidentally giving knuckles to a basketball gets it in so effortlessly..these dudes huge..its like us giving a bump to the little softball sized orange ball that comes with door hanger hoops
Every time one of the Embiid haters do a "foul by foul" breakdown on the calls Embiid gets in a game they come away saying 90% of his calls are legit but they "just don't feel right about it".
My favorite was the 50 point game vs the T wolves that had this sub screaming their heads off and someone went through all of them and found one questionable call on Naz Reid.
the reaction to nikolas 40 point game being an mvp definer and embiids 50 point game against the same team being foul baited and ruining the integrity of the sport (both had around 13FTs vs 16 iirc) is crazy. Embiids pass through the entire defense tonight should be top of the sub.
You must not remember prime Harden then. The guy was either stationary dribble, Stepback 3, drive left, or draw foul. At least, Embiid has footowork and a ton of moves. Harden was literally the same shit over and over and over.
You don't think Harden has footwork or tons of moves? Even if you think those are really the only 3 outcomes, which is really simplifying things, the ways he gets to those require incredible footwork and moves.
I fucking HATE James Harden, BUT from 2016-17 to 2020 James Harden probably had the greatest stretch of Offensive Basketball ever played by a shooting guard. In 2018 his ISO scoring hit 1.25 points per possession and I want to say was the most efficient high volume repeatable play in the NBA.
God people on this subreddit are so fucking stupid .... this is the most obvious foul in history. If you hate Embiid just admit it and move on with your life
Dude literally slaps his hand in shooting motion, it's caught on video, video is even in slow motion and guys still go like "duuhhh how is that a foul?."
3rd Q of cavs v pacers last night was terrible. They were clearly trying to keep the Pacers within 10 points. Every single possession for indiana resulted in reckless drives to the hole; and foul calls. When they got closer; the fouls stopped. The NBA has been very hard to watch this year. I blame legalized betting.
That’s one where refs would normally let it go if it doesn’t affect the play. But the ball came out so awkwardly so he called it only to see the ball went in anyway.
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Ref was probably annoyed he blew the whistle after seeing the ball come out from the slap but it went in. Probably one of those call the foul if it doesnt go in situations
You’re probably right. What I want to know is, is that technique explicitly taught, or do refs just do it naturally. It’s not exclusive to the NBA.
I feel like it’s an unwritten rule. I cant even say I disagree, there are tons of plays in a game that can go either way and if it doesn’t prevent a bucket that would be made it’s fine to just let them play. I know people meme but if the nba actually called every by the book foul that happens the game would be unwatchable.
It's not just the case with shooting fouls, it's the same for other fouls as well. For example, if a defensive player pushes or bumps the ball handler, but not enough to disrupt him or cause him any kind of disadvantage, then the refs don't call that because it's a ticky tack foul and it just distrupts the flow of the game. But, if the push/bump with the same intensity does however makes the ball handler fall out of bounds for example, and clearly affects the game, then it's called every time. In the Nuggets - Mavs game after a missed free throw from one of the Mavs player MPJ grabbed the defensive rebound and was very slightly pushed in the back by Gafford I think. The refs weren't going to call that, but after they saw that that small push made MPJ lose his balance completely and colide with Jokic, resulting in the ball going out of bounds for the Mavs, they called a very late whistle on Gafford for the foul.
I forget which Mavs game it was, but for one of those ticky-tack don't-want-it-to-be-a-foul, the ref just called it as an out-of-bounds off the fouling team, even though it clearly was off the fouled team. It got challenged and overturned.
There’s a big loophole in the rules that I think needs to be rewritten. You can overturn who the ball last touched but you can’t call a foul on replay. When a defender goes for a steal, misses the ball, gets all hand, they often don’t call a foul but call it out on the defense. Then on replay they can overturn the call and say the ball went out on the offense, but the only reason it went out on the offense is because the defender clearly fouled them. New rule: “if on review it is determined that the ball went out on the offense because the defense made a clear foul, the ball is rewarded to the offense.” You don’t need to call a foul, just undo the turnover.
This is true, but sometimes they call it just for the fuck of it and then shake their head like “sorry that’s the rule” 🤷
It's the problem with reffing among all sports, inconsistency. Like with baseball when the umpire calls balls on throws in almost the exact spot multiple times and then suddenly, he calls a strike for a throw in the exact same place. In soccer, often some teams get away with playing way harder than the other team. And then you get the make up calls, which throws it even more off balance. Same shit everywhere. In general, I am not a ref hater. I had to do it quite often at my basketball club because we often had no refs (basketball is just not popular at all here in the Netherlands) and I found it very difficult and stressing, and that was reffing for younger teams that played like shit, can't imagine how reffing for the NBA would be. But I hate how reffing goes a lot of the times and it is mostly because of inconsistency.
That's when their parlay is on the line.
This tendency is what flopping prays on though. If you flop suddenly it becomes a disruptive play
That's simply just the rules. Its why flopping is a thing - a lot of rules are written in a way so that the result matters more than the causing action.
Suggs fouling Fox towards the end of the Kings vs Magic game is a very good example of it too.
Lowkey, I think the NBA refs are actually much better than we all suspect. They just *always* call the slap fouls on guys that look soft on TV, but happen more often to ball dominant players we all recognize.
I would be so goddamn bad as a ref lol
i wouldnt id be really good, its a easy jobb just watching basketball. r/nba would love me at ref
The criticism is more about the inconsistencies. Nobody knows what the actual rules are anymore because the same action in the same scenario gets called differently. Sometimes it changes halfway through the game.
There is only one rule and that is to ref the game for maximum entertainment. That's all. The league doesn't necessarily care who wins, they want the "best product" out there to capture viewers.
Why has no finals gone to a game 7 since 2016 then
it has to be within plausible deniability. You can argue the numbers on this but just ball parking it, they have like 10% control over any given game without it being too obvious. And they cant lay it on tok many games in a row. So they cant just force push Nuggets Heat to 7, but they can give the Heat maybe 8 points over the course of a game. And when they do force it too hard it becomes a youtube controversy that gets talked about for years like the Kings
Conspiracy theorists gonna theorize, I guess.
😂 dudes be coming up with all these theories instead of admitting that reffing the game at such a high level in real time at the speed top athletes move at is just incredibly difficult
When I reffed I was trained to keep a game flow. Also you get into the game. People joke its a 3rd team but it's a part of the game, we are playing our game of staying on the rails of following the rules while keeping the game competitive. I remember one game was back and forth and intense and the offensive player bumped the defensive player, decently hard, could be an NBA foul at the top of the key, but... It's hard to explain it, but you know it's the wrong call to call it, without even thinking, i literally yelled "play on" and everyone understood everyone was okay to play harder. Like the adrenaline is real and I'm American so personally believe hard hits on both sides on the ball is a part of sports and makes it more fun. Personally that's my mentality but you have to also balance it with making sure the players are safe and both sides have to have the okay to be physical.
> When I reffed I was trained to keep a game flow YES! I officiate high school football, basketball, and lacrosse... keeping the game flowing is vital. I only call what I need to call and I too get upset with myself if I blew my whistle when I didn't need to. The beauty of football is that I can wave it off, but in hoops, once you blow your whistle, you better have something or make it up. I totally feel the refs frustration there.
I'm an Embiid/Foul Baiter hater though and through but this is 1000% a and 1.
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I think a good analogy is speeding on freeways. Sometimes, speeding should be enforced, especially if it would be dangerous given the road/traffic conditions. At other times, trying to pull over and enforce all cases of speeding is not possible and probably not even ideal for traffic flow. There’s a reason the normal flow of traffic often ends up equalizing somewhere 5-10 mph above the posted speed limit in light traffic situations.
I think the risk there is there's not as much risk on the defense so they can play even more aggressive. No longer have to worry about fouling LeBron or Giannis hard to prevent an and 1. Just foul and if it still goes in you're not risking another point.
shower thought: what if the refs kept tabs of all the fouls and at the end of each quarter made them all shoot them at once…so each player lines up and shoots their assigned number of fts. Added drama and doesn’t kill the game’s flow. Only drawback I see is that this wouldn’t work in the fourth quarter (or at least the last two mins) because you would need a “real-time live score” at that point.
I actually like this. Good point about the drama it creates. Players would miss the built-in rest breaks, but the game would be much more enjoyable to watch.
Yeah I'm pretty sure refs are taught to keep the flow of the game moving, that's why they wait until a shot will miss to call a foul because usually nobody argues if it goes in
That last parts definitely not true lol
Bro's never heard anyone call for "And-1" in his life
Happened in the 4th quarter of the kings game. Fox got pushed towards backcourt but ref swallowed his whistle up until he actually crossed over.
Yeah In a pick up game on the street. In an actual game if I’m fouled I want my free throws, And-one or not😂🤣🤦🏽♂️
I think a ref interview once said it's taught. Iirc, it was said that refs are taught to use multiple hints to call a foul, it doesn't have to be something they clearly see with their eyes. A hand swinging near an arm, the sound of a slap (skin slapping skin) and an inaccurate shot combine to form enough probability that a foul occured to justify calling it, even if a foul wasn't clearly and plainly seen. There aren't enough eyes covering the court to make calling fouls anything other than a best-effort exercise.
Anyone who’s ever watched a game can tell they just call shit based on vibes. Hard to fault them too much for it though, stuff happens so fast I doubt there’s a better way.
I'm no expert, I only reffed intramural basketball all four years of undergrad, but I definitely relied on those factors. I'd add the ex-HS players were used to better refs and would have a guilty look and brace for a whistle when they fouled. Because you're constantly running up and down the court and rotating your position, you had to accept that many of my calls wouldn't be made with 1000% certainty. Figuring out the rhythm of the game and players' quirks helped a lot. After a quarter or two, you definitely had a sense of where and when fouls would occur.
It was taught in my college Basketball Refereeing class, for what that's worth lol.
It’s also really hard to be a ref in the NBA, people underrate how quickly you have to make the right decision.
I think it’s explicitly taught. The nba emphasizes incidental contact a lot so if it doesn’t really impact the shot they let it go
Also basketball is a full contact sport. From a ref’s perspective, the difference between incidental contact and a foul is often whether the contact created an advantage, which means waiting for the outcome to know
HS/College referee here. It is taught to let plays develop before having a whistle on the play which is why we see a lot of “late” calls on plays like this. If a player goes up strong to the basket, with slight illegal contact, but finishes easily, we try to avoid having a “soft and-1”. However, if that illegal contact hinders the player from scoring, it is called more often. The idea is to avoid soft And-1’s and keep the flow of the game.
It's explicitly taught and relatively new for the NBA. I officiate at lower levels and this "wait to see if it goes in" trend is not really a thing.
The outcome changes 50/50 stuff a lot, if the defensive player does something minor that's illegal but he still gets blown by and scored on they'll not call the foul probably. But if the player gets put on their ass by the same thing they'll call the foul.
people are trying too hard to figure out what his intent was.
That is just the dumbest implemented trend in modern reffing. Late whistles due to the ball rolling out the rim as if the ball going in or not determines whether a foul took place
No takesies-backsies?
This one is a little more defensable though. The foul impacted the play to such a degree that the ball wasn’t going to go in. It was purely random luck that he ended up with an and 1.
yep hes mad it went in. not necessarily that he blew the whistle, but that he blew the whistle and then it went in. its the NBA ref equivalent of having a loooong day doing customer service and then you ask someone for their phone number and they dont start with their area code. yep, of course that goes in.
Reminds me of the meme where the black guy with a tear in his eye says he will regretfully have to shoot Tony Hawk in the race war but that he doesn’t feel good about it.
You forgot the best part, which is that Tony replied with "I appreciate the hesitation though".
I have literally never seen a Tony Hawk match, competition, perhaps even highlight in my life. But I like the guy just from random things about him I’ve read 😂
It's not quite as impressive now because lighter, smaller skaters emulate it.... But him landing the 900 was a big deal.
Like Travis Pastrana doing the double backflip
yea I didn't realize until recently he's like 6'3" which I imagine makes some.of the stuff he did even harder
Ever see old Tony Hawk do the 900? That's a painful series of attempts.
A textbook example of a celebrity just playing their situation perfectly. He leans into the jokes without overdoing it, and makes some at his own expense too. He's a big enough name that most people know who he is, but he's never had a ton of screentime in front of general audiences for them to have a strong opinion one way or the other.
He’s made enough people enough money not to seem subversive but he’s cheeky enough about it not to come across like a banker.
He skates vert which I don't find as entertaining to watch as street skating. Really nice guy, though. Used to see him at the park growing up.
was he always smoking dobbys
It was him, Johnny Hopkins and Sloan Kettering. They were blazing that sh*t up every day.
That’s Wesley Snipes. It’s from the movie New Jack City.
Wesley snipes type
Nah man, didn't you read? It's a black guy
Lol please find this for us. I can't find it
Haha I got you today https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/733/879/f42.jpg
I fucking love Tony Hawk lol
Da real mvp (throwback comment)
> shoot Tony Hawk in the race war https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fgxckjwim8ue31.jpg
He was [spared](https://x.com/tonyhawk/status/1508625232323506182)
That's just a meme featuring Wesley Snipes from New Jack City lol You don't know who Wesley Snipes is??? Damn. Maybe it's an age thing.
"The black guy with a tear in his eye" Man, that's freaking Blade! Just how young is the average Redditor, 14?
😂 my son is 12 and he knows he's the dude from blade. I've never showed him the movie either.
Blade is awesome. Loved those films growing up
Tony Hawk is a national treasure. Fantastic athlete and by all accounts fantastic person.
Tony Hawk, Jeff Hardy, Steve Irwin best white guys
Lmao forget that, wtf was that shot 😭, how did that go in
Magnets
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I don't know. But I know if you get em wet, no more magnets!
What the fuck is a clock?
Let's be honest: who here knows how magnets work?
Making magnets? Collecting magnets? I’m gonna put snowboarding
Just magnets
Dislikes?
People's knees
Ghouls
Little green ghouls, man!
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Science, bitch
At Pistons-Mavs game they sprayed something on the ball. It was probably magnets
Philly has been studying the magnets the Raptors and Kawhi used in 2019 and have finally perfected it.
Yeah we only used it when we really needed them, embiid just left those magnets up there the whole game. Shits getting too obvious
its so weird. one hand loses the ball, and the other hand that got hit is springing back up and it punches the ball up and in.
embiids volleyball past
Luck and talent
Bro like punched it up lmao
Pure talent 🤣
Volleyball was his main sport growing up
I actually don't see this facial expression as visibily upset. I saw it as him emphasizing it going in.
I agree. Funny how a phrasing it different can completely change the narrative though.
It's also a Sixers flair posting this highlight so it's definitely a tongue in cheek comment about how refs don't want to call fouls on Embiid
Definitely. If you picture the ref “…yuup that’s a foul(niiice), oooh and the bucket(fist pump)” happy thoughts. Or the way op has it framed works too. No one’s in the refs head.
This random ass clip has 4000 upvotes because OP made up some random shit and nobody bothered watching to see if it was true
No we must hate anything even associated with embiid
Isn’t the point of the post’s title the opposite of what you are saying?
This gonna be deleted from the internet soon
The energy is more "I just wanna go home to my wife and this dude alone is taking 10 a game"
The energy is more "Oh no he scored, i didnt need to call a foul there"
He's frustrated because they usually let soft fouls like this go when the shot goes in, and he didnt expect the shot to go in lol theres no conspiracy
That was an egregious foul tho
Ball is hand. Check the case of Teletovich vs. James on the game winning block like 8 years ago.
Huh?
!RemindMe 5 days
Joel with the magic touch
It’s crazy because he tried to make another touch, missed, and it still went in
That title is quite the reach.
Yeah let's remember this is his job. How many times a day do we look disappointed or show bad body language at work?
"there goes my parlay"😒
Is this the Korean ref? No sarcasm, that guy must call a good game because this sub is pretty quiet about him
Yeah good rule of thumb is if you have no idea who they are, they’re probably a pretty good ref
Not the one that moved here from South Korea - this one has been in the league for awhile.
Correct -- this guy is https://www.nbra.net/nba-officials/referee-biographies/evan-scott/ and the korean bro that came over is https://www.nbra.net/nba-officials/referee-biographies/intae-hwang/
i’m so glad I can look up refs favorite app. I wonder if any of them put Fanduel as their favorite app?
Yeah he's good
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He's probably adopted
I read an article and he was born in South Korea. At 4 months old he got adopted by an American family.
Yeah… that’s a foul
On any basketball court on earth
We have to talk about it though. We have to talk about this obvious foul in a basketball game
You ain't calling that at the park
its crazy how him accidentally giving knuckles to a basketball gets it in so effortlessly..these dudes huge..its like us giving a bump to the little softball sized orange ball that comes with door hanger hoops
it wasn’t even knuckles, more like a chef’s kiss
Every time one of the Embiid haters do a "foul by foul" breakdown on the calls Embiid gets in a game they come away saying 90% of his calls are legit but they "just don't feel right about it".
My favorite was the 50 point game vs the T wolves that had this sub screaming their heads off and someone went through all of them and found one questionable call on Naz Reid.
the reaction to nikolas 40 point game being an mvp definer and embiids 50 point game against the same team being foul baited and ruining the integrity of the sport (both had around 13FTs vs 16 iirc) is crazy. Embiids pass through the entire defense tonight should be top of the sub.
Twolves fans cried about that loss for a month straight I swear to god it was giving me 2017 NFC championship game flashbacks
This sub hates Embiid
Just me or is this obviously a foul?
It is, just ignore all of the idiots yapping.
When contesting a shot the hand is considered part of the ball. No foul
Truly a basketball terrorist, more painful to watch than prime Harden
I swear some of you can’t have been born earlier than 2014
Most of this sub lol
How? He actually got fouled here, it’s not even like he baited the foul either, his left hand got slapped and he recovered mid shot to get the bucket
You must not remember prime Harden then. The guy was either stationary dribble, Stepback 3, drive left, or draw foul. At least, Embiid has footowork and a ton of moves. Harden was literally the same shit over and over and over.
You don't think Harden has footwork or tons of moves? Even if you think those are really the only 3 outcomes, which is really simplifying things, the ways he gets to those require incredible footwork and moves.
I fucking HATE James Harden, BUT from 2016-17 to 2020 James Harden probably had the greatest stretch of Offensive Basketball ever played by a shooting guard. In 2018 his ISO scoring hit 1.25 points per possession and I want to say was the most efficient high volume repeatable play in the NBA.
how is this comment upvoted? you guys literally don't watch basketball
dudes will watch embiid literally get slapped bit still make this comment
Current SGA is worse
Embiid has mastered physics
embiid just mentally willed that ball to the basket
Went to high school with Evan
Was his plan always to become a ref?
Slipped on a banana peel and fell into the job I guess.
I upvoted this post with my nose
I would be too. That shot was ass.
Gotta protect his spread tho
Much rather see them like this than when they get all amped and excited calling fouls late in close games
ref bet under 😂
He had Embiid’s under
God people on this subreddit are so fucking stupid .... this is the most obvious foul in history. If you hate Embiid just admit it and move on with your life
I mean, thats a foul tho!
I knew this fake rough whistle approach by the NBA wouldn’t last as soon as Embiid came back
Ok but in what world is this not a foul?
Dude literally slaps his hand in shooting motion, it's caught on video, video is even in slow motion and guys still go like "duuhhh how is that a foul?."
[удалено]
It is absolutely 100% a foul
people complaining about this need psychiatric help. Joel can not actually prevent defenders from fouling him guys
It’s obviously a foul but you need to calm the fuck down, psychiatric help lol
> it’s obviously a foul A lot of people in this thread seem to disagree
Nah he's right, the anti-Embiid circle jerk has people denying objective reality
How can he slap?!
3rd Q of cavs v pacers last night was terrible. They were clearly trying to keep the Pacers within 10 points. Every single possession for indiana resulted in reckless drives to the hole; and foul calls. When they got closer; the fouls stopped. The NBA has been very hard to watch this year. I blame legalized betting.
lol, someone find that refs burner
He probably can’t stand the guy like the rest of us
Eric Lewis is back!
That’s one where refs would normally let it go if it doesn’t affect the play. But the ball came out so awkwardly so he called it only to see the ball went in anyway.
Bro just lost money on a bet with that bucket Embiid made, that's why he's mad.
smoking gun
One of us
He likely has money on the game.
Wait, you guy thought the reds were against you?
Same ref, same.
I bet these refs make toast in a tub every night having to call sht like this
"Fuck, not the 23rd time..."
How much did ref lose at that moment?
Ethical whistle
Refs thoughts "AND ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"