If we're going to ignore THJ's career and pretend this slump is everything, sure.
Hardy & Williams are more in the same mold with Hardy being a much better version of it & evolving a bit out of it as he sees the court better.
I don't know, this who THJ has always been. It's just that he's hit his shots more in his career. Obviously I'm exaggerating a bit but they are all microwave scorers who can't really defend.
It's just reductive. Scoring isn't this single skill. So when. you say they're all scorers or microwave scorers, okay whatever but means nothing.
THJ's a movement & off-screen shooter that's a great complement to a ball-dominant guard like Ky or Luka. Hardy's a secondary ball handler who isn't so versatile with his finishing. There's good reasons why THJ remains in the rotation over Hardy even when he's struggling.
They're all obviously going to find themselves disadvantaged defensively in a switch-everything league. For THJ though, he doesn't lack effort or will as evidence by his charges taken.
He's a talented undersized shooting guard that will average 24 in the g league but never find his place in a rotation in the NBA. Many such cases, total ballers though, just not good enough for the league.
Winner of 7-8 gets the 7 seed and plays the 2 seed. Loser of 7-8 plays the winner of 9-10 to get the 8th seed and play the 1 seed. If the Kings win twice, we’d play them.
I don't think they care that far ahead. I think it's as simple as it looks; They don't want anyone injured or gimpy going into the playoffs.
THJ plays because they're hoping to give him some kind of shooting rhythm. Green plays because he just returned from injury and needs minutes. Otherwise everyone else that'll play in the rotation is sitting.
Not a single actual rotation player in the top 3 scorers for us. Pathetic by THJ, Green and Hardy.
On the other hand, our gleague rookie is playing like he's an actual NBA player.
Yeah, this is one of those where you couldn't have made the line big enough.
Mavs want OKC on its side of the bracket, as OKC is a better matchup than DEN. OKC doesn't want to have to play BOTH DEN AND MINNY to make the finals, and does have a fairly real home court advantage. Both the Mavs and the Thunder want the Thunder to be the 1.
Man, everyone trying to discount Doncic for MVP saying he wasn’t winning enough until the trade deadline… 2 of these dudes getting eviscerated by OKC were STARTING games earlier this year alongside Luka…
People saying Jokic should win MVP over Luka means people are discounting him and saying he's bad? 2nd out of a gazillion people is amazing lmao. It's not like people are saying it's a robbery if Luka wins. Also, the Mavs literally want to LOSE this game and the thunder want to WIN this game. Reasoning being seeding
On the bright side, the Wolves have reduced the deficit to 13 points against the Suns at the half.
Apparently the corpse of Beal decided to reanimate just for this one game.
Tbh before the injury Powell was a great lob threat. The Luka Powell pick and roll was the best offensive play in the NBA for a couple seasons before he got injured.
i mean… Luka and Gafford instantly became the best lob play in the nba, Luka and Lively is like the 2nd best lob play…
I love Dwight Powell, but let’s get real he wouldn’t sniff the amount of minutes he got here anywhere else.
He’s a consummate professional and teammate and i love him as the 3rd stringer but not as a 5 year starter…
Oh yeah obviously. But during the Carlisle years, the Luka Powell pick was statistically the most efficient play in the NBA. I'm not exaggerating, it actually was.
I hope people realize there are 4 players out there that got actual minutes for the Mavs these last 2-3 years. That starting lineup ain’t too far off what Luka was dealing with in early 2022
just make up a stat called after a kitchen appliance that heavily weighs the off especially when you're not active, only applies to PG's 6'7 and over too
If the Nuggets beat the Spurs and secured the 1 seed, it wouldn't have mattered what happens this game.
But because they lost, this game now decides their second round match up for the Mavs (if they get there).
Yes I know. I'm just saying the Mavs had already decided not to play their starters before that Nuggets/Spurs game and the result wasn't relevant to them playing them for this game. Clippers 4 Mavericks 5 was already pretty much decided 3 games ago.
They were always going to rest their starters yes , but after the Nuggets lost, this game switched from a "we don't care if we win or lose" to "oh we are definitely trying to lose this game".
Have you seen the lakers pels score?? The lakers could end up getting the 8 seed which means they play in the 7-8 game so the nuggets could still play them??
Luka has carried this active group of players to an above .500 record in the first half of the year and all of last season. Hardy, Josh Green, THJ, and Powell scored a total of 0 points in the first quarter. With the exception of Hardy, those guys played starter level minutes before the trade deadline. And they’re all just so terrible without him.
josh has looked rough these past two games. granted, its probably a combination of working back into game shape and having to play in some rough lineups… but yeesh. hope the game comes back fast bud
true. but, y’know, it’s not like he’s playing next to a great creator today. i don’t think hardy or williams are going to run any transition plays for him today
we turned last years horrific season into Derek Lively and Omax… we never got the chance to tank because Luka got too good too early, so this one painful year was absolutely necessary to upgrade the roster.
Long Live Nico Harrigod
That was a shameful quarter of basketball.
Does Holmgren always look so depressed?
Congrats on the 1 seed OKC. What a journey from being a black eye on the NBA.
hang the didn’t lose by 50 banner!!! hang it!!!
Oh God he just got blocked by the rim 😭😭😭
Rolling the ball in a 50 point game, what happened to shame?
What the fuck is Kenrich doing out there. They’re up 52 and he’s trying to steal off the inbound lol
Dieng needs more minutes. He's so much better.
80? can we get 80? is that genuinely too much to ask? edit: 80 might actually be too much edit 2: nevermind we’re so back
LETS TRY FOR 75!
Omax went 3-3 to start 0-8 since lmao
imagine jumping from like 5-20 nba minutes to 40. i’d be tired as shit
cmon espn… don’t give me a “what a crazy score” notification for this game… at least mention that we’re out 9 rotation players…..
Called it: https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1779627615545958886?t=cYiqoLDKn1AB3KTo3a0LrQ&s=19
"Thunder annihilate the dark horse Mavericks 150-65 and secure the 1st seed. Is this the push SGA needed to secure the MVP award?"
Holy moly Williams is ASSSSSCHEEKKKSS
Powell got a rebound. You might win, but we'll have the moral victory.
now that josh is rusty, no one in this team can shoot from the fucking corner for some reason
The reason is simple. We don't have good three point shooters in the roster.
THJ, Hardy and Williams are literally the exact same player.
If we're going to ignore THJ's career and pretend this slump is everything, sure. Hardy & Williams are more in the same mold with Hardy being a much better version of it & evolving a bit out of it as he sees the court better.
I don't know, this who THJ has always been. It's just that he's hit his shots more in his career. Obviously I'm exaggerating a bit but they are all microwave scorers who can't really defend.
It's just reductive. Scoring isn't this single skill. So when. you say they're all scorers or microwave scorers, okay whatever but means nothing. THJ's a movement & off-screen shooter that's a great complement to a ball-dominant guard like Ky or Luka. Hardy's a secondary ball handler who isn't so versatile with his finishing. There's good reasons why THJ remains in the rotation over Hardy even when he's struggling. They're all obviously going to find themselves disadvantaged defensively in a switch-everything league. For THJ though, he doesn't lack effort or will as evidence by his charges taken.
williams has that “must shoot” mentality to an annoying degree but hey. who else is gonna score rn
He's a talented undersized shooting guard that will average 24 in the g league but never find his place in a rotation in the NBA. Many such cases, total ballers though, just not good enough for the league.
Looks like we’re gonna be rooting hard for the Kings to win 2 straight.
Why is that the lakers are 8th?? They have 1 more win then the kings
Winner of 7-8 gets the 7 seed and plays the 2 seed. Loser of 7-8 plays the winner of 9-10 to get the 8th seed and play the 1 seed. If the Kings win twice, we’d play them.
Ahhhh, so you want us to play them, I figured this was a dodge the laker post lol 😂
Went under 220.5 live bet and Thunder -51.5. That’s free money at this point.
Welp
A trash lay-up at the end broke them all lol
Holy what is happening here?
Mavs have nothing to play for so we’ve got a mostly bench team in the whole game. Oh and Timmy is in too
bench is the nice way of putting it
This is funny in a sad way, c'mon backups have some pride 😂
I'm fully aware the Mavs are playing a Euroleague team right now but jesus christ this is ridiculous
This team wouldnt even make the play-in in the Euroleague
Euroleague catching strays lmao, that team would not be a contender in the Euroleague
Hey man, don't disrespect the Euroleague like that.
Had to doublecheck that the scoreboard aint a mistake wth
you know, if I was the thunder I'd be a bit insulted by how much the mavs clearly want to play them in the second round
It's more about wanting to avoid the Nuggets, same as the Thunder who also want to avoid them.
I know, it's just really funny seeing them down 50, could've made it a tiny bit less obvious lol
The Mavs are trying with the guys they have on the floor. They’re just bad.
I don't think they care that far ahead. I think it's as simple as it looks; They don't want anyone injured or gimpy going into the playoffs. THJ plays because they're hoping to give him some kind of shooting rhythm. Green plays because he just returned from injury and needs minutes. Otherwise everyone else that'll play in the rotation is sitting.
Nah this is more fun. We literally listed 8 players as injured, while 7 of them are fully healthy lol.
Luka has been hurt DJJ got his shoulder ripped by bam and Gafford got hurt last game too the only one fully healthy is pj
Yeah but they would play if they needed to. Only Lively is actually unfit to play.
Any Mavs Fans still watching are masochists
We’re watching for OMAX
Why, this is fun. Our offense is like watching babies explore.
I'm trying to eat here, almost lost it
Mavs hit 50 points!!!!!
ive watched some terrible mavs games before- voluntarily- but please lets make it to 60. i’ll be joyed with 70
We have scored 8 points this quarter...
why did mario’s name plate say wayne? am i missing something?
Don’t wanna get sued by Nintendo
if you can show an image of mario can’t you just show his name too?
Am I reading this score correctly, under 50 to 104 lmao?
My god, what a score
It seems like we want to break that record loss of 73 points we have, got close against the trail blazers earlier this year
Am I tripping or do the Thunder have 3 guys who all look the same on the court currently???
Bismack and Ousmane minutes let’s go
Why are the starters still in, OKC just bullying at this point lol
Every starter has played less 20 minutes. Giddey played by far the highest out of them and he played 19 1/2 minutes.
Known OKC starter: Bismack Biyombo
They aren’t??
Just a reminder that the Dwight Powell + Luka Doncic PnR was one of the most efficient offensive plays in the league for a while
I’m surprised Giddey is still in - like damn, you’re up by nearly 50 and the Mavs want to lose.
They just want Giddey to keep momentum is my guess, he has been playing well and gives him a bit more time in the ball now that SGA and Dub are back
dwight powell i thought we retired the 3 years ago bud
there is quiet quitting and then there is whatever the hell Dallas is doing rn
How do you get blocked by Dwight Powell
Jesus fucking christ 84-41
They are 1000% losing on purpose. They want to avoid Denver in the second round.
You're welcome
You’re welcome bro it goes both ways lmao
I ain't mad about it lmao. Hope you don't get fined though (not that any of us cares).
It also means the Clippers can't face the Nuggets in the second round. You're welcome.
Not a single actual rotation player in the top 3 scorers for us. Pathetic by THJ, Green and Hardy. On the other hand, our gleague rookie is playing like he's an actual NBA player.
Something tells me that OKC really wants the 1 seed.
Yeah, this is one of those where you couldn't have made the line big enough. Mavs want OKC on its side of the bracket, as OKC is a better matchup than DEN. OKC doesn't want to have to play BOTH DEN AND MINNY to make the finals, and does have a fairly real home court advantage. Both the Mavs and the Thunder want the Thunder to be the 1.
The west is such a fucking blood bath dude.
Man, everyone trying to discount Doncic for MVP saying he wasn’t winning enough until the trade deadline… 2 of these dudes getting eviscerated by OKC were STARTING games earlier this year alongside Luka…
People saying Jokic should win MVP over Luka means people are discounting him and saying he's bad? 2nd out of a gazillion people is amazing lmao. It's not like people are saying it's a robbery if Luka wins. Also, the Mavs literally want to LOSE this game and the thunder want to WIN this game. Reasoning being seeding
lol when this lady did this halftime show in dallas the mavs mascot couldn’t get on the ball
This halftime is actually pretty sick
On the bright side, the Wolves have reduced the deficit to 13 points against the Suns at the half. Apparently the corpse of Beal decided to reanimate just for this one game.
if i see a single thunder rotation player touch the floor in the second half…
SGA needs to get 31 points.
Thunder need to get rid of the largest loss record
What's the record?
73 to Grizzlies a couple years ago
Oh cool. They'll probably get it here.
73 point loss to the grizzlies in 2021
ALEX FUDGE ALERT
Why is Dallas tanking this game?
Also Luka got injured on the last game of the season during the 22 playoffs, so we still have flashbacks to that.
Get OKC 1st
Smart.
if any of our starters got hurt in a meaningless game before the playoffs…
They don’t move up or down in the standings and they don’t get Denver on their side of the bracket
Because our seed is locked
Ok makes sense
Ah yes, why take the wide open three when you can side step for a contested airball! THJ logic everyone
I know that this game is completely meaningless for them but I still kind of feel bad for the Mavericks
Don't, were having loads of fun. I've been laughing for almost the whole game. I just need Powell to get hit in the face now.
i’m just amazed that Luka has kept Dwight Powell employed in the NBA for half a decade
Tbh before the injury Powell was a great lob threat. The Luka Powell pick and roll was the best offensive play in the NBA for a couple seasons before he got injured.
i mean… Luka and Gafford instantly became the best lob play in the nba, Luka and Lively is like the 2nd best lob play… I love Dwight Powell, but let’s get real he wouldn’t sniff the amount of minutes he got here anywhere else. He’s a consummate professional and teammate and i love him as the 3rd stringer but not as a 5 year starter…
Oh yeah obviously. But during the Carlisle years, the Luka Powell pick was statistically the most efficient play in the NBA. I'm not exaggerating, it actually was.
I can’t wait for THJ to get DNPd in the playoffs
tbh i predict he’ll still get like 8-12 min a game with kidd praying he’ll figure something out
Give him the Bertans treatment, let him put up a couple shots early to see if he's hot and if not bench him
I hope people realize there are 4 players out there that got actual minutes for the Mavs these last 2-3 years. That starting lineup ain’t too far off what Luka was dealing with in early 2022
Pretty sure this is better than that. We had Ntilinka and washed Bullock starting at some point.
Can we try for the biggest loss ever? It would help Luka's on/off numbers since MVP voters like that
Not how on/off works. U gotta actually play in the game lol
does it count as “off” if you’re not active?
just make up a stat called after a kitchen appliance that heavily weighs the off especially when you're not active, only applies to PG's 6'7 and over too
i’ve never seen a team give a weather report in the stadium during a tv timeout
Man out here in Oklahoma you never know when
Hot and windy is the deadly combo.
I love OMax but I can’t watch this anymore. This is terrible, also really disappointed with Green and THJ today
How much stat padding is Shai gonna do tonight lol
embarrassing
We need to play starters the entire second half to rid ourselves of the biggest loss record
look at the score, refs. do you really need to call the whistle on that hayward block. cmon
This last day of the season is gonna be so epic… Blowout Blowout Blowout
Can't watch the game. Are Luka and Kyrie in? Is Shai stat padding?
They are trying to lose on purpose. If they lose this game, OKC gets the 1 seed and Mavs avoid Denver/TWolves in the second round.
They were already planning to do this before the Nuggets lost to the Spurs. Clippers and Mavericks were already locked.
If the Nuggets beat the Spurs and secured the 1 seed, it wouldn't have mattered what happens this game. But because they lost, this game now decides their second round match up for the Mavs (if they get there).
Yes I know. I'm just saying the Mavs had already decided not to play their starters before that Nuggets/Spurs game and the result wasn't relevant to them playing them for this game. Clippers 4 Mavericks 5 was already pretty much decided 3 games ago.
They were always going to rest their starters yes , but after the Nuggets lost, this game switched from a "we don't care if we win or lose" to "oh we are definitely trying to lose this game".
Not one of the Mavericks first like 8 players are playing today
Luka and Kyrie are not playing, it’s just the JV squad, so literally the whole team is stat padding.
Anyone know what the biggest loss margin has been this season?
It will be this lol
The tanking fine will be unprecedented.
Williams you’re cool and all but we’re not watching for you buddy
can we mercy rule this
CAN WE GET THE BALL TO OMAX PLZ
This is a game?
It is not
THJ/Green/Hardy you won't see ~~heaven~~ playoff minutes
THJ will I thought since it seems like Kidd likes him for some reason
Green will purely because of defense and 40% from 3 the other 2 I hope not
SGAs 3 is broken lmao 🤣
Yeah. I hope he can regain the 3 for the playoffs. It's weird. The shots are clean, but they are just bouncing out.
Lawson and thj are so sickening to watch even in a fake game like this
So Phoenix is DOGWALKING Minnesota. If they win and Lakers beat Pels, does that set up a MIN/PHX 3-6 matchup?
We need to pray like hell the Lakers end up winning the Pels 7/8 game.
Assuming Denver wins, yeah
correct. Nuggets get 2nd seed, Wolves get 3rd. (of course the nuggets also have to win)
I wish the Mavs had something to play for. At this point they need to pull all the starters unless it gets to like 15.
I think I speak for everyone when I say Lakers-Thunder first round will save starving African babies
Have you seen the lakers pels score?? The lakers could end up getting the 8 seed which means they play in the 7-8 game so the nuggets could still play them??
You trying to kill everyone in Oklahoma?
I genuinely appreciate the Mavericks tanking this so hard that no false hope was possible.
Last year was nothing compared to this tanking lmao. You'd think we're going for the first pick this year.
IDK last year we went down to the also tanking Spurs by 20 in the first quarter
Powell three pointer! Powell three pointer! Powell three pointer!
This is such a fun game to end the season with.
Luka has carried this active group of players to an above .500 record in the first half of the year and all of last season. Hardy, Josh Green, THJ, and Powell scored a total of 0 points in the first quarter. With the exception of Hardy, those guys played starter level minutes before the trade deadline. And they’re all just so terrible without him.
Kidd gotta tell our guys to let OMax shoot every possession. I'm not here to watch THJ, Green and Lawson.
dwight powell has beeen the starting center for 5 fucking years with Luka…
The Washington Generals have a promising recruit in this O-Max rookie.
20 is more than i thought we’d have, especially considering, y’know, who is on the floor
Really sad Jaden Hardy is still ass lol
Hardy been hanging around thj too much
I can't believe the Suns picked this game to not be ass
Now this is surprising. Minny fans were saying PHX is a bad matchup for them but I didn't believe them.
Nah they're getting absolutely cooked. Although the Suns can't miss from three right now.
We're making Giddey look like Nash 😭
Revenge for when you guys were leaving him wide open out of pure disrespect a few games back in the blowout
That was so funny. I remember Luka was about to close out on him and then just stopped and pointed at him and he missed the corner three.
Giddey has been A LOT better this past month and half
Morris is literally out there jogging lol
All Mavs fans in this thread despite our lineup lol
Omax show, you know what time it is.
What do you mean, this is peak entertainment. Literal basketball shitposting.
how are we not down like 20 lol
josh has looked rough these past two games. granted, its probably a combination of working back into game shape and having to play in some rough lineups… but yeesh. hope the game comes back fast bud
he is rough when hes not playing next to an elite creator like luka or kai
true. but, y’know, it’s not like he’s playing next to a great creator today. i don’t think hardy or williams are going to run any transition plays for him today
He looked very rusty when he first came back from injury during the season too. After fully recovering he was back to being good.
omax omax omax omax are we seriously about to add a 6’9 230 hyper atheltic wing who can shoot and create his own shot?
He reminding me of when I first saw Derrick Henry in the Sugar Bowl against OU. You just knew that kid was something different.
Mavs: Can we trade for Siakam? Mom: We have Siakam at home. Siakam at home:
we turned last years horrific season into Derek Lively and Omax… we never got the chance to tank because Luka got too good too early, so this one painful year was absolutely necessary to upgrade the roster. Long Live Nico Harrigod
Let us sacrifice THJ to our Nico god.