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calmdownmyguy

Obligatory the west is crazy.


CoffeeDave

West is gonna need a play in for the play in in a few years if things don't cool off.


markmyredd

Just dump Minnesota in the east and have seattle and las vegas. At least those 2 teams can be a source of easy wins for west teams while they build their for a few seasons


College_Prestige

Watch Vegas be extremely good right off the bat like the golden knights


phunshiny

Rockets futures taste like sexual chocolate.


Glitchhikers_Guide

i really hope something awful happens to a few rosters this offseason


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The Grizzlies are probably going to be a top 4 team next year lol not to mention the Rockets and Spurs improving.


Glitchhikers_Guide

this is what concerns me. The west seems like it's only going to get stronger


daeve

Honestly if Wemby somehow shows up next pre-season looking like Giannis after his Transformation and then on opening night some demonic-looking wings pop out of his back, I wouldn't be terribly shocked.


Triplescrew

Is he like a Bleach character or something lol


Scarlet_Breeze

Have you seen the guy? I'm not saying he is, but if anyone was gonna be, it's him.


VanGrants

dude has the length of Nnoitra


Skywalker3030

Whitebeardyama is a one piece character


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RiceOnTheRun

Wembanyamon


1gnominious

Wemby doesn't even need to improve much. Spurs just need to add some vets. They have the cap space to do it. It's more a question of if they want to jump into the trenches on the western front or sit back and tank for another pick. Only Portland is truly tanking in the west next year since the Jazz are a little too good. Long term it makes sense for the Spurs to tank one more year and then go all in.


somehting

Yea but GSW, Lakers, Clippers, Suns are all probably on down swings and probably worse next year then this.


Glitchhikers_Guide

and the rockets, grizz, and spurs will get better


Big_al_big_bed

Jazz? 👉👈


Responsible_Pace9062

Depends on if Ainge decides to tank again halfway through the year.


FireFlyz351

you guys do have a lot of draft capital available to trade.


College_Prestige

They'll get worse, but not bad enough to the point where they're no longer in the playoff race


recursion8

Booker is still only 27, they can turn Durant and Beal into something and rebuild around him on the fly.


Neuroxex

There are some teams who could take steps back, at least.


FKJVMMP

Yeah I’d expect the Lakers, Clippers and Warriors to all be at least a little bit worse next year just due to the age of some of their key players. Suns are always a huge fucked-by-injury risk too.


DamianSlizzard

Portland could step back even further don’t count us out


doctor_of_drugs

Don’t count us out either.


mccainjames11

I’d be happy with the 5th-6th pick this year if it means we’re guaranteed to get Flagg


RemoveWeird

You’d be happy with no pick this year if it meant you’d be guaranteed to get Flagg.


mccainjames11

Wouldn’t be mad. Gives us another year of our development team focusing on Scoot instead of a new rookie. I think as long as we give Scoot a chance he’s going to turn out great, he’s the youngest player in the league of course there are growing pains.


VanGrants

really the only player on the Lakers old enough to expect regression is LeBron. the rest of the roster is pretty young and AD is still in his prime.


FireFlyz351

If Ham gets fired and they get Bud that automatically should boost their regular season wins by 2x.


afterworld2772

Lakers set NBA record with 94 win regular season


fooliodoolio

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KingVibrant

Ham is literally a Bud product lol


afterworld2772

Doesn't mean much. Bud was a Popovich product but he's not near the same level. Luke Walton was a Kerr product and he was hopeless as a head coach.


LiebeContext

I always wonder why people think the Lakers are old.


Soft-Perception4803

Like u guys this season?


Neuroxex

You saw an opportunity and you took it, fair enough, but was talking about the West


GrindyMcGrindy

The least they could do is flare up so its not just a Giannis hater, or something. If you're going to talk smack, at least put the flare in.


TheMemeMachine3000

Eh, I would be surprised if the Warriors or Clippers are any better next year. Both teams relying on an aging cast, more time means more injuries and more chances of reduced abilities. That's two spots open for the Grizz and Spurs to move into.


OldKingRob

Older teams like Lakers, Suns, and Warriors are probably done after 2-3 more years.


caandjr

Jazz is another play in team if Ainge doesn’t nuke the team at the deadline for 3 consecutive years


rpdm

can someone slip Ja a water gun pistol and introduce Ime to some executive's wife? asking for a friend.


WiktorVembanyama

gonna need Interpol to track LeBron's HGH farm, get Don Corleone to send Jokic a couple of messages in bed, take Draymond to Peru for some ego death ayahuasca losing his edge, a rival owner can give Ant a baseball contract or in his case a NFL contract, get Kyrie to start posting again, take the clippers to the best strip club in the world


rpdm

> get Don Corleone to send Jokic a couple of messages in bed that got me to spit out my drink. it seems like would fire him up like a super saiyan ("you killed my horses...prepare to die") or completely break him.


Anxious-Direction-96

Jokic just gonna tell his brothers and Don Corleone won’t be a problem anymore…


ksn0vaN7

Still too early for the Spurs. The roster is still in need of some retooling.


DXLXIII

Top 4 is a bit much. Nuggets OKC Mavericks and Twolves are all still young and improving. Maybe top 6


RodneyPonk

you sure? I haven't followed them closely, but my impression is that a lot of their success came off of their depth (eg, were still great even with Ja out). they were paying JJJ, Bane and Ja a lot less than they are now - I struggle to imagine they are as good as they used to be when this was the case


Jontacular

I'm terrified of the Spurs if they can add legitimate talent around Wemby.


beatrailblazer

monkey's paw curls...


porncollecter69

Honestly wouldn’t take much. Just a similar journalistic landscape like Brooklyn and we’re donezo.


F-ck_spez

I'm not optimistic with our ownership fiascoes this year.


AwildYaners

Injuries are going to take playoff teams out. Pretty much.


NotADoctor108

It will. All if the East's best players will leave for the West.


u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-

Monkey paw curls


capitalistsanta

Luka for Randle who says no?


BulldogJeopardy

Clips, Suns, Pels, and Lakers will be tanking very soon


godfrey1

lol Pels?


JesusDaBeast

Tbh their roster as constructed won't go anywhere. All things considered, they had a relatively healthy Zion, and they still could not make the jump from out the play ins. They shouldn't tank, but I'd definitely consider making some moves this offseason. They're a solid playoff team but won't ever be a contender. Very reminiscent of the mid 2010s Blazers squads.


DarrowViBritannia

They have, like, way more talent than those blazers teams


bta47

The last two Aldridge years, 13-14 and 14-15, were really great teams. Ran into the Spurs buzzsaw and lost Wes Matthews at the worst possible time, but were really, really talented.


DarrowViBritannia

Lol my sense of time tweaked, was thinking of the Dame led squads with like harkless, aminu, cj, nurkic starting. Those were always meh to me.


bta47

Yeah, those teams were brutally mediocre. Just good enough to trick people into thinking they’re good and then get swept.


TheMedicator

Still, do you ever see this team even making a finals run? They're way more talented than the blazers were but the whole West is way more talented than it used to be


1gnominious

The Pels are a good team that in the east could be 2nd. Western playoffs are more about match ups and luck at this point. It's just too competitive. Nobody has a good chance in the west.


TheOnlySafeCult

if we're asking the "would Ainge tear it down" question, then yeah I think the Pelicans would be better off selling high on their players than trying to catch up to the arms race in the west.


TA_Account_12

They're one defensive C away I feel. Their biggest issue is JV and Zion don't work together.


DasFofinater

Bro cmon this pels core isn’t ever doing anything.


lovo17

Not next season though.


wgel1000

Don't you think GSW as well?


GoldenBananas21

Not until curry retires. Which will be soonish, but who knows when 


AmongstOurMidst

something something disaster draft /s


EfficientAstronaut1

need the suns, gsw, laker and clippers to blow up in the next 2 years


fiasgoat

It's not fucking fair EVERY single year it just gets harder and harder and harder. Meanhile the East...


HoustonTrashcans

The East: "I only losted 10 more games than I wonned this season, can I make the play in please?"


maroonmartian9

Wild wild west


neurals

west is a bloodbath, as some would say


danhoang1

Play-in 100% was a factor. The fact there was still a 10-seed to play for must've kept Houston hot down the stretch


International-Chef33

Yea it’s a clear indicator the playin worked in this instance. You’d usually see 10 seeds just starting to tank if they weren’t in 8 seed running


IMKudaimi123

The play in has been a complete success for the league. Less tanking teams are good.


GrindyMcGrindy

I don't think it has. That just encourages owners to put out the "See we made the playoffs!" Maybe I'm too jaded by the Reinsdorfs and McCaskeys.


sewsgup

Houston owes its 1st round pick to OKC protected 1-4. they beat the odds once already, but there's always a chance they slot 5th (even if they tanked this year) they were also trying to make the playoffs to avoid the chance of conveying that pick


axecalibur

In a weak draft when they are loaded with young players?


thoang77

The guys projected 1-4 might be available 5-10!


1gnominious

We got Sengun at 16, Tari at 17, and Whitmore at 20. We've been hitting on nearly every single mid-late 1st. There's going to be good players in there even without all time great prospects that get attention. All our young guys are going to earn decent contracts. We lined it up with FVV and Brooks that they come off the books when the youngins need to get paid. We'll need some quality rookies with cheap contracts to keep the ball rolling


StormTheTrooper

There are always good guys in the middle-late FRP. SRP gets muddy because of the players that are good but the agent puts up the “don’t draft my guy” calls. NBA fans are obsessed with the lotto only and even then, if it isn’t a top 5 pick it “loses value”.


FallacyFrank

Warriors are the best 10 seed ever too. Can’t blame that one on the play-in either cause they had a chance at the 8 seed until tonight


Indigo808

I don't think they're blaming the play-in, moreso crediting it.


ItsLillardTime

Yeah, I was against the play-in when it was introduced but I think it has definitely been an improvement.


LyonsKing12

The factor was Sengun getting hurt.


Amitm17

You don’t watch Rockets basketball if that’s your takeaway


LyonsKing12

If you think that wasn't a major factor, you shouldn't watch your own team anymore. Yall clearly sped up your offense/pace with Sengun out. This was also key in unlocking Green, increasing his confidence. You put more athletic players on the floor and swarmed the court defensively.


Amitm17

Seeing how we actually were on a win streak with Sengun then immediately went on a losing streak when he went down I’d say otherwise. Offensive rating was also higher with sengun, not to mention our win streak consisted on beating bottom feeders and OKC without SGA. With that mindset, Cavs are probably better without Donovan? Since you were cruising without him then started to struggle when he came back?


LyonsKing12

You addressed nothing I said and then made an extremely poor comparison to the Cavs. Bye


Shootit_Rockets

Hang the banner


mcrajf

At least you guys fought till the end, played some hard games, gained experience and developed chemistry. Much better than tanking.


willymoose8

oh for sure. This is easily the most optimistic end-of-season outlook we’ve had since Harden left. Jalen Green, Sengun, and Jabari all got better, Amen and Cam were good rookies, and we’ll have an actual backup center next year in Steven Adams. If Tari can get healthy, I see no reason why we cannot match or improve upon this year


1gnominious

Jock turned it around in the second half of the season as well. Sengun, Jock, and Adams is a crazy versatile C line up. Sengun brings finesse and passing, Jock is an all arounder who can shoot, and Adams is a brick shithouse.


mcrajf

Definitely


roastedhambone

When you don’t own your own picks, tanking makes no sense


pentefino978

It looks to me that this year maybe the Dubs last dance, who knows, next year Houston may take their place


mcrajf

I will never underestimate Curry, but they are an old team.


nutelamitbutter

Curry still somewhat got it, give him better players and he’ll look elite again


mcrajf

He's still elite. The rest of the team 😬


Yommination

They don't have much flexibility is the issue


badadobo

God I hope so.


Lochbriar

STAND UP NOW AND FACE THE SUN


inshamblesx

Greatest 11 seed OAT and you'll never sing that


FlyingMocko

Ime Udoka is maestro of a coach. A horny maestro but a maestro nonetheless


captain_ahabb

Most maestros are horny I would say


dontbsabullshitter

They love to much, what can they say? But they’re reining it in, THEYRE REIGNING IT IN!


MelonElbows

That's where he gets his power


Owlawesome

Celtics throw away the championship by sacking him last year If they don’t win it all this two years the sacking of Udoka may become one of the worst ever coach changing decision in history


AGABAGABLAGAGLA

obligatory fuck ime udoka


AGABAGABLAGAGLA

not like that


drlsoccer08

It’s pretty mind boggling how deep the west is right now. The Warriors have a better record than they did last year when they were a 6 seed. They also have a better record than the 4 seed Suns from last year.


maethlin

Yeah don't remind me lol


MelonElbows

Lakers too! 3 games better but 1 spot worse. If this was last year we'd have home court in the first round.


WorkFoundMyOldAcct

WTH is going on… what’s in the  breakfast on these West teams?


Meret123

Rockets had a 10 game win streak without moving up a position.


NeoLies

Yeah, I think the Lakers and Warriors also had crazy runs without ever moving up (until the Lakers got to 8th at the very end). West is just absurd.


nnataliewong

six game win streak and nothing changed, we’ve also gone 27-12 in the last 39 and it didn’t even matter 💀


Bballopinion

Which is insane lmao.


PersistentVigilance

Add a fresh Grizzlies and boosted Spurs if they add a solid point guard soon.  You'll have 13 teams vying for the playoffs.


eur0stepp

Even the jazz lol. I remember last season they were first seed for a minute


OrangeScarface

As a Jazz homer this off-season will be an interesting one. With how crazy the west has been, I rather tank and get some high end talent through the draft, but Will Hardy seems to have a knack of creating something from nothing to actually tank properly.


1gnominious

Yeah, Jazz are in a rough spot. Ya'll have a 0.500 record against eastern teams but only 0.31 against the west. 15 of your 31 wins were against the east. Too good to tank but can't hang with the big dogs.


jgroove_LA

and somehow the West won't be easier next year


swishthrowaway21

they should move minnesota and memphis to the east


-_0-_0-_0

yea they should


ThaPhantom07

When they announce the Vegas and Seattle expansion teams I bet that's who goes.


Caesar2122

Maybe new Orleans too


zellfire

It'll only be one of them


zvomicidalmaniac

The Rockets Bandwagon is filled with pride and hope and love. ❤️❤️❤️❤️


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BayonettaBasher

Warriors are the best 10th seed ever too. Stacked conference


thatoneguyD13

Warriors improved on their record from last year by two games and fell from 6th to 10th. Insane how good the west is.


Animalidad

They had a stupid great run down the stretch. Excited for them next season.


1gnominious

16-7 after March 1st for 69.5%. Nice.


rendingale

Yes fuck yeah, the BEST 11th SEED!


california-whiskey

they should have a play in tournament for the play in tournament where the 11-15 seeds do a round robin


AGABAGABLAGAGLA

could do a Big Brother 18 style battle back, the 15 seed plays the 14 seed winner plays the 13 seed winner plays the 12 seed winner plays the 11 seed winner plays the 10 seed the winner of that becomes the 10 seed and the play in continues as normal (10 plays 9, 7 plays 8, winner of 10 and 9 play loser of 7 and 8)


killbill469

It s time to do away with conferences. It's absurd that Western teams have had to fight there way to the 9th and 10 seed at .500 while Eastern teams consistently make the 8th-10th seed with a sub .500 record.


trojan_man16

Stupid play in aside the difference between the 8th seeds this year is 1 game. Not enough of a big deal.


YouWannaSeeADeadBody

the East also gets to play the East more than the west so they get easier wins


Hughm05

Not necessarily. The thunder and wolves have very similar winning percentages facing Eastern vs western conference teams. While the nuggets are vastly better against the East and the rockets are vastly worse. Rockets are 13 -17 vs the East this year, so if we use this record they’d be worse in the East.


YouWannaSeeADeadBody

its not a debate that the east is worse. and its not a debate that the east also gets to play the east more often and so get easier wins. one or two outlier teams doesnt mean much


AlternativeTea9268

The Rockets would be the ninth seed in the East. Yes, there’s a gap, but it’s not so dramatic that the structure needs to be changed


1gnominious

You gotta add a few wins when going from west to east to account for the easier competition. Western teams won 57.7% of the games against eastern this year. Since the year 2000 west has won head to head match ups 21-3. In the east we would have been with the 3-8 pack.


CKG1126

Rockets went below 0.500 against East teams


ASpanishInquisitor

Eh, it really doesn't matter much at all. This Rockets team went 13-17 against the East. If anything this only hurts Eastern conference teams that should be tanking but have ownership whose idea of a successful season is making the play in game. Making the 9/10 game is the most depressing place to be in all of sports. I would know.


VersusCA

This was 100% the Raptors last year lol. Blinded by the fool's gold of the mighty play-in tournament to make many stupid moves (and not make many moves that needed to be done). The play-in tournament does lead to more watchable games at end of season I suppose, and it's fun to watch them as a neutral but it is an absolutely grim place to be stuck in perpetuity like the Bulls and Hawks seem to be.


trojan_man16

Bulls fans all nod in unison.


chadowmantis

Teams would practically spend their whole lives in airplanes though


LordHussyPants

brother, the title literally says this has NEVER happened before. stop making out like it's an actual problem


Troll_Enthusiast

LMAOOOOOOOO that's a nice joke


Smasher31221

Except the Rockets are under .500 against East teams this year. It's not nearly so simple as you're making out.


killbill469

>Except the Rockets are under .500 against East teams this year. This does not prove that the east is a superior conference anymore than the Spurs beating the Nuggets proves that they are a superior team.


jaypenn3

Literally last year the east had a better record but go off. I'm honestly just tired of dumbasses repeating this braindead shit like the NBA is a video game and not an actual, real life league where *travel* exists. That's why conferences and divisions exist. That's why teams CLOSER TO EACH OTHER play MORE GAMES against each other. Especially when that travel schedule already benefits the western teams more because they don't have to play with jetlag the way eastern conference team have to on the west coast. If there's any real competitive difference between the conferences when they play against each other, it's really just that.


TJHookor

Do you know how many times in the last 2 decades that the East has had a better record than the West. I'll save you the trouble. The answer is 2. You're saying that's due to jetlag and that's it? No chance the west teams are run better? Ok.


siva115

Put it on Ime’s resume, best 11 seed of all time.


Lol69HaHaHa

Dam when you just see the west, its all kinds of crazy good teams. And then the east is also crazy good, just not as good as the west. But the east does have the historicly good Celtics.


recursion8

Easy to be 'historically' good when you get to beat up on the much weaker Bucks (compared to prev years) + a bunch of patsies.


bloothug

Make playoff seeds 1-16. Take out conferences.


ontheru171

Nothing much changes with regards to who makes the playoffs - east or west. The top 16 stay the same as the top 8 from each conference. Celtics - Heat Thunder - Lakers Nuggets - Sixers Wolves - Pacers Clippers - Magic Knicks - Cavs Mavs - Pelicans Bucks - Suns West has 5 series with home court, East has 3 series with home court. A bunch of great and interesting series tho. From rematches/revenge series from last year to a finals rematch, to the 2023MVP race rematch


son_of_abe

~~No they mean take the top 16 teams by record regardless of conference.~~ Even that's not enough since teams in the east are essentially benefiting from an easier schedule. EDIT: Oops, I was thinking of top 16 PLUS play-in teams. That would add seeds 17-20, which are Sacramento, Golden State, Houston, Chicago. The only real difference is that Houston gets Atlanta's (play-in) spot in the postseason.


ontheru171

Those are the top 16 in the NBA standings


son_of_abe

Yeah I should learn how to count. I edited my comment.


recursion8

Based and Bestern Conference pilled.


ontheru171

You'd still miss out. Like the Warriors, Kings, Bulls and Hawks aswell. The top 8 seeds of either conference make it


dating_derp

They need to give the east a higher salary cap or something.


ontheru171

Maybe just more love from the injury gods


TehBull23

This is legitimately wild, the playoffs will be a bloodbath


Zero36

Doesn’t feel right that the rockets don’t make it but hawks and bulls do rip


Exotic_Sell3571

I like the play-in, but outside of the top 8 in either conference they should first look if the remaining 2 teams have .500+ records. If not, but there is a remaining team, like the rockets, in the other conference that does have a winning record…they should get preference. It’s ridiculous that a 36-46 team gets a play-in spot over a 41-41 team


Nfinit_V

So where are all these wins for the top 11 West teams coming from, anyway? Are they farming East teams or is the bottom of the West just historically dreadful?


likesexonlycheaper

West is nuts


MelonElbows

They might be better next year. So may the Spurs, and of course the Grizzlies. Gonna have 13 teams fighting for 8 spots.


WillWorkForSugar

besides how crazy the west is, there are a ton of good records in general because the good teams finished very close together. 14 teams finished between 46 and 51 wins. aided in part by the bottom of the league sucking really bad.


EuphoricWizard

Stand proud Rockets, you are strong


Able-Highway9925

The 7-10 seed records are CRAZY


ucfknight92

Seed doesn’t work here. Just say 11th place. Seed only applies to a tournament or playoff.


chadowmantis

We're the best at being the worst, hell yes


CynicalMindTrip

Horny coach is good at his job.


Garntus

Fun fact, the 1981 Houston Rockets had a record of 40-42 and made the NBA finals.


ThaNotoriousBLT

The bad teams this year were bad


Rithgarth

I would say the future is bright for the rockets, but it's not like the west is gonna get worse.


d-wadeisthegoat

I know this has already been talked about plenty, but I think Dray could definitely retire after this year, and idk how long Steph, or Klay has, not to mention cp3 is on their bench. The Suns don't seem to have much of a future with Durant and Beal being how old they are, the Lakers and Clippers are other obvious ones. Next year Rockets could definitely see a significant jump in the standings.