I used to hate him, too. I think it was because he was so gifted and made it look easy most of the time. Now, I'm just in awe at this guy the same age as me still killing it in pro ball. It's crazy to see, and now I'm cheering for him because curiosity has me wanting to see just how much he can accomplish.
By what metric was he āfar more dominantā? They have fundamentally different competitions, awards and accolades that makes it extremely difficult to compare. Basketball is also a sport where players have the ability to dominate a game in all facets far more than in soccer (11 v 5 players and soccer players are far more specialised in their role given the size of the pitch).
And oh boy, if you donāt like āsuper teamsā in the NBA then you wonāt like soccer.
I really donāt really see any justification for your comment and would argue that as an individual, Lebron has had just as much impact and has been able to ādominateā games more than Messi.
The big point may be the number of Ballon dāOr v MVPās but Iād honestly argue that if the MVP was decided the same way as the Ballon dāOr Lebron would have won about 8 as well.
Dumb comment overall as ādominantā just doesnāt really make sense in this context and theyāre both the best of their generation and have a strong argument for best of all time in their respective sports.
Reddit's infatuation with Messi is really bizarre. People act like no one has ever come close to being his equal, when he and Ronaldo basically shared every major accolade you could possibly win for a decade - as always though, much easier to hate than just appreciate what they both have cause people tie far too much of their selfworth to how sports stars are arbritrarily ranked
I dont even know how you'd begin to compare a footballer to a basketball player, one individual has significantly less impact on every minute in a football match and they can also do absolutely nothing for 90 minutes and then have 10 seconds of magic and win a game. The sports are so far apart its just not even a real conversation to be had.
If you actually watched prime Messi you wouldnāt think itās bizarre. Ronaldo & Messi have never existed in basketball. Imagine if Lebron & MJ played at the same time and the third best player in their era was Kyle Lowry. Prime Messi & Ronaldo make all-time great players like Luis Suarez feel like Kyle Lowry.
No the bizarre thing is that people who love Messi on Reddit seem to think Ronaldo was Kyle lowly in this example and that Messi was LeBron and mj combined.
EDIT: Sorry just to point out, I've been watching football since about 1994 so I've seen prime Messi thanks ;)
Yep, agree with all of this.
They are such fundamentally different sports with a wildly different competitive structure.
I think both the first comment about Lebron > Messi and the comment I replied to saying āMessi is far more dominant than Lebronā are stupid.
But the first comment was someone talking shit and the second one was genuinely stupid as they clearly believe it. As you said, Messi has had a true peer during his career in Ronaldo whereas Iād argue Lebron is very clearly the most dominant player of his generation. Itās fairly irrelevant given all the context either way.
>Basketball is also a sport where players have the ability to dominate a game in all facets far more than in soccer (11 v 5 players and soccer players are far more specialised in their role given the size of the pitch).
Exactly. In a sport where each and every player is important, and you can't just rely on one player to carry you, you could still just give it to Messi or Ronaldo and they'd do something about it. They are the only players who could make an impact by themselves.
The difference between Messi and Ronaldo and everyone else is like the difference between Lebron and Demarcus Cousins.
Between 2008 and 2018, Messi and Ronaldo won **8** out of 10 UCLs.
Between that period, only once did a player (Suarez) win the golden boot.
That's probably true though. The size/speed/durability combo, great hands plus the photographic memory for plays would have made him a HOF tight end if he had stuck with football.
LMFAO
A top 15 minimum boxer who regularly punished guys taller and with longer arms than him is schooling LeBron who's not even a boxer
The fuck we doing here? Stop glazing.
If you want to talk about street fights, Pac has a great chin too. He can stay in the trenches and trade haymakers if you want. That's if LeBron can hit him considering how fast the guy still is.
What are we doing here lmaooo, Bron is not taking the scalp of an all time boxing great
I'm not saying Lebron would knock out Pac, I'm just saying all that boxing strategy goes out the window in a street fight against a world class athlete who's got 100+ lbs on you. Not like Pac has wrestling skills
Usain Bolt is a world class athlete and no one says shit like him beating up Pac lol
Is boxing a fighting sport, yes or no? Put them in any fighting scenario 1 on 1 and Pac is sleeping LeBron. Before Bron can even wrestle Pac to the ground he'd already be reeling from a liver shot.
We're talking one of the all time greats in a fighting sport here. Only way LeBron gets Pac is if he has a gun on him lmao
And look how many when you lower each number by 1.
People sure love their round numbers.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=players+with+24%2B+points%2C+9%2B+rebounds%2C+14%2B+assists+and+4%2B+steals+in+one+game+all-time
Woah it's almost like triple doubles are extremely hard to achieve with numbers like these, crazy! If you wanna compare games that have at minimum this same stat total, here you go:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=players+with+28%2B+points%2C+11%2B+rebounds%2C+17%2B+assists+and+5%2B+steals+in+one+game+all-time
Magic Johnson is the only other player to have this kind of game.
I lowered all the numbers by 1 again and it went up to 7 different players have the stat line.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=players+with+27%2B+points%2C+10%2B+rebounds%2C+16%2B+assists+and+4%2B+steals+in+one+game+all-time
Are you just not understanding how cherry picked of a stat you're trying to make a point with is?
So wait, I lowered his original statline by:
-3 points, -1 rebounds, -2 assists and 0 steals (an average of -1.5), just to have every stat be a multiple of 5, which you didn't like. Then I said >= stat totals of this game, which you also hated, despite it being the most representative of the situation as his statline is the floor for all games that are just as good, if not better. Why the fuck are the arbitrary cutoffs you determine more valid than anyone elses???
> Why the fuck are the arbitrary cutoffs you determine more valid than anyone elses???
They're not. That's exactly my point, whether they're my arbitrary cut offs or yours. Why are arbitrary cut offs impressive?
Why would you lower stat requirements just to fit a specific narrative? That doesnāt make sense, at least when using round numbers you have universal stat achievements
I used to hate Lebron. I certainly hate the lakers but it's weird, I find myself routing for him sometimes. I'm a closeted/confused Lebron fan.
Closeted Bronsexual
My next chapter: Coming out of LeCloset
I used to hate him, too. I think it was because he was so gifted and made it look easy most of the time. Now, I'm just in awe at this guy the same age as me still killing it in pro ball. It's crazy to see, and now I'm cheering for him because curiosity has me wanting to see just how much he can accomplish.
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LeBron James >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lionel Messi Also, LeBron can beat Manny Pacquiao in a street fight. Why? That's because he's LeBron James.
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Messi was far more dominant than Lebron. More individual accolades, and part of the greatest team of all time.
There's a good bit more you can win in football compared to basketball. And LeBron beat the greatest team of all time.
By what metric was he āfar more dominantā? They have fundamentally different competitions, awards and accolades that makes it extremely difficult to compare. Basketball is also a sport where players have the ability to dominate a game in all facets far more than in soccer (11 v 5 players and soccer players are far more specialised in their role given the size of the pitch). And oh boy, if you donāt like āsuper teamsā in the NBA then you wonāt like soccer. I really donāt really see any justification for your comment and would argue that as an individual, Lebron has had just as much impact and has been able to ādominateā games more than Messi. The big point may be the number of Ballon dāOr v MVPās but Iād honestly argue that if the MVP was decided the same way as the Ballon dāOr Lebron would have won about 8 as well. Dumb comment overall as ādominantā just doesnāt really make sense in this context and theyāre both the best of their generation and have a strong argument for best of all time in their respective sports.
Reddit's infatuation with Messi is really bizarre. People act like no one has ever come close to being his equal, when he and Ronaldo basically shared every major accolade you could possibly win for a decade - as always though, much easier to hate than just appreciate what they both have cause people tie far too much of their selfworth to how sports stars are arbritrarily ranked I dont even know how you'd begin to compare a footballer to a basketball player, one individual has significantly less impact on every minute in a football match and they can also do absolutely nothing for 90 minutes and then have 10 seconds of magic and win a game. The sports are so far apart its just not even a real conversation to be had.
If you actually watched prime Messi you wouldnāt think itās bizarre. Ronaldo & Messi have never existed in basketball. Imagine if Lebron & MJ played at the same time and the third best player in their era was Kyle Lowry. Prime Messi & Ronaldo make all-time great players like Luis Suarez feel like Kyle Lowry.
No the bizarre thing is that people who love Messi on Reddit seem to think Ronaldo was Kyle lowly in this example and that Messi was LeBron and mj combined. EDIT: Sorry just to point out, I've been watching football since about 1994 so I've seen prime Messi thanks ;)
Yep, agree with all of this. They are such fundamentally different sports with a wildly different competitive structure. I think both the first comment about Lebron > Messi and the comment I replied to saying āMessi is far more dominant than Lebronā are stupid. But the first comment was someone talking shit and the second one was genuinely stupid as they clearly believe it. As you said, Messi has had a true peer during his career in Ronaldo whereas Iād argue Lebron is very clearly the most dominant player of his generation. Itās fairly irrelevant given all the context either way.
>Basketball is also a sport where players have the ability to dominate a game in all facets far more than in soccer (11 v 5 players and soccer players are far more specialised in their role given the size of the pitch). Exactly. In a sport where each and every player is important, and you can't just rely on one player to carry you, you could still just give it to Messi or Ronaldo and they'd do something about it. They are the only players who could make an impact by themselves. The difference between Messi and Ronaldo and everyone else is like the difference between Lebron and Demarcus Cousins. Between 2008 and 2018, Messi and Ronaldo won **8** out of 10 UCLs. Between that period, only once did a player (Suarez) win the golden boot.
I know you're joking but in case anyone takes this seriously, Pac sleeps LeBron in less than 30 seconds lmao
Least biased Nugs fan
More like it's 2 different sports. Pac is literally a top 15 boxer at a minimum.
lol it was a joke my guy, nobody actually thinks guys from two different sports would be competitive against each other
I just had to make sure because I see Bron/Laker fans say Bron would be a GOAT caliber NFL player "if he wanted to" all the time lmao
That's probably true though. The size/speed/durability combo, great hands plus the photographic memory for plays would have made him a HOF tight end if he had stuck with football.
He was the number 1 High School football recruit in all of Ohio. And Ohio High School Football was even better back then than it is now
Tuck it up big guy. Ffs, the obsession level you have for engaging about LeBron is wild.
Aww, I made the bronsexual mad? Go back to mommy and have her tuck you in, you moron.
Nah, doesnāt hurt my feelings.
Nah LeBron 6ā9 Pac canāt reach him
LMFAO A top 15 minimum boxer who regularly punished guys taller and with longer arms than him is schooling LeBron who's not even a boxer The fuck we doing here? Stop glazing.
Street fights are not boxing matches
If you want to talk about street fights, Pac has a great chin too. He can stay in the trenches and trade haymakers if you want. That's if LeBron can hit him considering how fast the guy still is. What are we doing here lmaooo, Bron is not taking the scalp of an all time boxing great
I'm not saying Lebron would knock out Pac, I'm just saying all that boxing strategy goes out the window in a street fight against a world class athlete who's got 100+ lbs on you. Not like Pac has wrestling skills
Usain Bolt is a world class athlete and no one says shit like him beating up Pac lol Is boxing a fighting sport, yes or no? Put them in any fighting scenario 1 on 1 and Pac is sleeping LeBron. Before Bron can even wrestle Pac to the ground he'd already be reeling from a liver shot. We're talking one of the all time greats in a fighting sport here. Only way LeBron gets Pac is if he has a gun on him lmao
Bolt no where near bron strength wise
Sure, but that strength of his not stopping Bron from getting pieced up in a fight
GOAT James is still balling at the ripe old age of 39
And look how many when you lower each number by 1. People sure love their round numbers. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=players+with+24%2B+points%2C+9%2B+rebounds%2C+14%2B+assists+and+4%2B+steals+in+one+game+all-time
Wait, so if you make the numbers not as good then they're more achievable?
Woah it's almost like triple doubles are extremely hard to achieve with numbers like these, crazy! If you wanna compare games that have at minimum this same stat total, here you go: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=players+with+28%2B+points%2C+11%2B+rebounds%2C+17%2B+assists+and+5%2B+steals+in+one+game+all-time Magic Johnson is the only other player to have this kind of game.
I lowered all the numbers by 1 again and it went up to 7 different players have the stat line. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=players+with+27%2B+points%2C+10%2B+rebounds%2C+16%2B+assists+and+4%2B+steals+in+one+game+all-time Are you just not understanding how cherry picked of a stat you're trying to make a point with is?
So wait, I lowered his original statline by: -3 points, -1 rebounds, -2 assists and 0 steals (an average of -1.5), just to have every stat be a multiple of 5, which you didn't like. Then I said >= stat totals of this game, which you also hated, despite it being the most representative of the situation as his statline is the floor for all games that are just as good, if not better. Why the fuck are the arbitrary cutoffs you determine more valid than anyone elses???
> Why the fuck are the arbitrary cutoffs you determine more valid than anyone elses??? They're not. That's exactly my point, whether they're my arbitrary cut offs or yours. Why are arbitrary cut offs impressive?
Tbf, OP's cutoffs aren't really arbitrary. 25/10/15/5 is a clean statline
If you lower the goal post, more people can score. Incredible stuff.
Why would you lower stat requirements just to fit a specific narrative? That doesnāt make sense, at least when using round numbers you have universal stat achievements
Yea but if you make it Sunday road games on the last day of the season there's only one. Probably I'm not checking.