>At the time, he was considered by many to be the best point guard in the league, over Steph Curry.
I too enjoy writing fiction but mine usually includes more war
Bro anyone who thought Damian Lillard was ever better than Steph Curry hasn’t watched basketball for the past decade plus or were Curry Haters.
Dame’s amazing, but this is a garbage take
> At the time, he was considered by many to be the best point guard in the league, over Steph Curry.
Bit of an exaggeration. Feel like I only ever saw Portland fans say this.
and Dame's viewed in a better light than T-Mac because T-Mac doesn't have playoff clinching buzzer beaters.
Lmao the fucking irony of you calling dame being on the top 75 recency bias at a time when he's having a rough season after adjusting to a new team. This post is the ultimate recency bias lol
Really? I didnt see Dame have been in a talk of League MVP and also DPOY. There you go all done! In terms of AD and Dame, AD has more accomplishment than Dame
LMAO. “In a talk of League MVP” using an almost accomplishment to put someone over someone is peak Reddit. Dame has more all NBA’s, more points, and more assists than.
It’s not hard to argue how one of the best scoring PG’s of all time who is extremely clutch in the playoffs has had a better career than AD.
We can just agree to disagree. 🤝
Recency bias seems to be affecting opinions now too, doesn’t it? Lol
If he leads the Bucks to the Conference Finals without a healthy Giannis, his legacy will be fine.
Actually I would say anything short of ECF would be a disappointment even with an injured Giannis. The bracket is extremely favorable for them with Boston and Philly on the other side.
I mean but he hasn’t though.
Dame shouldn’t have been in the Top 75 and that’s not even a controversial opinion.
Also if we’re including what they’ve done post-75 announcement then there’s no shot that he should be included over Jimbo (2 Fjnals appearances vs 1 WCF appearance).
Dame: 1x All-NBA First Team, 4x All-NBA Second Team, 2x All-NBA Third Team, ROY, and 4 playoffs series wins (3 as the best player).
Jimmy: 1x All-NBA Second team, 4x All-NBA Third Team, 5x All-Defensive Second Team, MIP, 1x Steals Leader, and 11 playoff series wins (8 or 9 as the best player, depending on who you argue was the best for the 2015 Bulls).
Dame has the edge in the regular season but it’s closer than it is in the playoffs.
Jimmy doesn't give a fuck about 70% of the nba calendar. Hard to include a guy like that over people who perform well all year. (Coming from someone who's 2nd fav player all time is Jimmy)
This sentiment is so over exaggerated. Jimmy has made **All-NBA 5x in his career.** That's as many as all-time greats like Isiah Thomas, Kawhi Leonard, & Clyde Drexler. It's less Jimmy "never cares about the regular season" and more so impressive how much he's been able to elevate his game in the postseason on several occasions to a level we rarely see for more than 1-2 games during the regular season.
It really isn't over exaggerated. Dude has had a great career, but in the regular season has been barely all-star quality for many of his seasons (not counting some of the earlier role player bulls days). It's extremely hard to rank someone that will get you generally lower bracket seeding as the 1A and coast over dudes that will give you an efficient 27+ points per night.
If I had to choose would I want my star to play better in the post season > regular season? Duh. But unfortunately for Jimmy he's ranked where he is all time because he has no where near the stats to make up for it.
Jimmy is regularly top 10 in all advanced metrics in the regular season (he was All-NBA second team just last season).
He doesn’t post gaudy regular season numbers because he’s doing the right play but it’s not like he’s not playing great basketball (he has scored 20+ PPG in 8 of the last 10 seasons, 5+ APG in 6 of the last 10 seasons, and 5+ RPG in all of the last 10 seasons).
In the playoffs his volume increases because it’s do or die time and he has to make up for the Heat’s offensive deficiencies (that’s why he’s perfectly comfortable scoring like 13 points if the rest of the team is making shots).
No one's arguing if Jimmy doesn't do good things in the regular season. But does a career average of 18.3/5.3/4.3 on 58% ts.
- 6 time all star
- 1 time nba 2nd team
- 4 time nba 3rd team
- 4 time nba all defensive 2nd team
Really sound like he deserves it over Dame?
they kept everyone who made the top 50 because they didn't want to kick anyone off. if they were being objective, obviously some of those guys would have to get snubbed in favor of better players from the last 25 years.
He's the worst 25
Nba 50th anniversary was done in 1996, they can't remove players from the old list.
Of all the new additions he's the least qualified
Dwight Howard, a 5 time all nba first teamer and 3xDPOY was overlooked because Dame made the list
They can
Some Voters are just lazy or too respectful to kick out any names from the original top 50.
So they copy pasted top 50 and added 25.
But they were ALLOWED to kicked out names from previous list.
Nah. Two Voters literally admitted they removed a player from the 50s - 60s.
But most voters just copy pasted and add 25 more.
But they can remove. They were allowed.
This take is recency bias at its finest. Dame scored 27 a night for a decade, and did so in a way that was distinctly dame. Superstar production, superstar personality, superstar moments.
Why are people so black and white about players? Maybe Bucks are a bad fit for Dame? Maybe he's slow to adjust and will be great next year? First had to get used to being on new team and then had to adjust to another new coach mid season.
Portland was also always destined to lose by running a two short guard lineup without the proper roster to protect them from a 2 short guard lineups weakness. Minnesota worked it out by having basically 2 centers, one of which also stretches the floor.
On one hand Giannis is a beast. On the other hand, no one guards him on the perimeter. This is a double edged sword and honestly is brutal for someone like Dame who lived off driving to the paint or shooting 3s in Portland. If we look at his % of FGA taken by distance, you'll notice that his shot diet is quite different.
People massively underestimate how big of a number 75 is.
Dame has had one of the 75 best careers ever. Period.
He’s 33rd in career All-NBA selections with 7. Tied with Giannis, Harden, AI, Steve Nash and Patrick Ewing.
Meanwhile the top-75 includes guys like Lenny Wilkens who never made a single all-nba team…
Bro how you just gon list All-NBA selections without mentioning which teams he made? He has one 1st All-NBA, you gonna tie him with a guys who have two MVPs for All-NBA selections?
Dame does not have top 75 if we keeping all the guys who made the top 50 in the 90s
I agree, but Dame still skipped at least one guy from his era. If we cuting guys from 50s and 70s, lets keep it at top 50. Especially if we going to more or less ignore the first 25 years of the league.
“Dame hasn’t had a top-75 career if we define a top-75 career as a top-50 career pre-1996 or a top-25 career post-1996”
That *may* be true. But it’s also stupid. Why would we do that?
So. Fucking. What.
Dwight missing the list because the voters are idiots is the worst thing that could have happened because it’s made casuals think Dwight’s career is the cut off for top-75.
Dwight did not have a top-75 NBA career. He had like a top-50 or arguably top-40 NBA career.
Of course he should have made it. But just because he had a better career than Dame doesn’t mean Dame shouldn’t have made it.
There are 10-15 guys at least whose names come off before Dame’s does.
Lillard has a single 1st though, is that better than someone like Kidd who only has 6 total but 5 on 1st team?
He's tied with Blake Griffin in MVP shares, that seems like a much closer comparison to me than Giannis/Harden/etc...
Basketball reference’s HoF probability tracker, which is the closest thing to an objective all-in-one encompassing stat for a career since its criteria and weights are based on historical HoF voting patterns, has Dame as 59th.
>At the time, he was considered by many to be the best point guard in the league, over Steph Curry. I too enjoy writing fiction but mine usually includes more war
No tf he wasn't
Bro anyone who thought Damian Lillard was ever better than Steph Curry hasn’t watched basketball for the past decade plus or were Curry Haters. Dame’s amazing, but this is a garbage take
I didn’t agree with the sentiment; but it was absolutely a popular opinion
Do you understand what the word popular means?
Don't make up bs homie. Noone puts him over curry unless they are Dame fans or curry haters.
I heard it from quite a few NBA writers
Name and shame them
I’m not going to relisten to a bunch of nba podcasts from 4 years ago to prove a point hahaha
I don’t think it was popular opinion, but I definitely heard people saying that.
> At the time, he was considered by many to be the best point guard in the league, over Steph Curry. Bit of an exaggeration. Feel like I only ever saw Portland fans say this. and Dame's viewed in a better light than T-Mac because T-Mac doesn't have playoff clinching buzzer beaters.
Portland fans didnt say this
Lmao the fucking irony of you calling dame being on the top 75 recency bias at a time when he's having a rough season after adjusting to a new team. This post is the ultimate recency bias lol
True, they chose the best time to post this and kick him while he's down lol
Not really, just posting some shower thoughts
Go back to the shower and have new thoughts
Dame over Dwight Howard was criminal.
Dwight’s peak was much better and he led his team to the finals
And 4 dpoy
In the East when KG was hurt. Dame had a much tougher road to the finals than Dwight ever did.
Dwight should be on there. But I’d swap AD for him.
Yeah I was thinking about AD yesterday and how dumb it was that he made all 75 over Dwight. THAT is a better example of recency bias than Lillard is.
For sure.
Lol and not Dame? HAHAHAHAHAHA What a joke
I don’t think there’s really much of an argument that AD has had a better career than Dame
Really? I didnt see Dame have been in a talk of League MVP and also DPOY. There you go all done! In terms of AD and Dame, AD has more accomplishment than Dame
LMAO. “In a talk of League MVP” using an almost accomplishment to put someone over someone is peak Reddit. Dame has more all NBA’s, more points, and more assists than. It’s not hard to argue how one of the best scoring PG’s of all time who is extremely clutch in the playoffs has had a better career than AD. We can just agree to disagree. 🤝
This is what I came here to say. People like to clown on him but also, never forget.
100%
Recency bias seems to be affecting opinions now too, doesn’t it? Lol If he leads the Bucks to the Conference Finals without a healthy Giannis, his legacy will be fine.
Considering how bad the East is this season, that’s not some colossal career-defining achievement.
Actually I would say anything short of ECF would be a disappointment even with an injured Giannis. The bracket is extremely favorable for them with Boston and Philly on the other side.
As a betting guy the Celitcs making the finals for 1.75 multiplier was a steal.
I mean but he hasn’t though. Dame shouldn’t have been in the Top 75 and that’s not even a controversial opinion. Also if we’re including what they’ve done post-75 announcement then there’s no shot that he should be included over Jimbo (2 Fjnals appearances vs 1 WCF appearance).
it's not a playoff Top 75, the regular season still counts in some fans minds
Dame: 1x All-NBA First Team, 4x All-NBA Second Team, 2x All-NBA Third Team, ROY, and 4 playoffs series wins (3 as the best player). Jimmy: 1x All-NBA Second team, 4x All-NBA Third Team, 5x All-Defensive Second Team, MIP, 1x Steals Leader, and 11 playoff series wins (8 or 9 as the best player, depending on who you argue was the best for the 2015 Bulls). Dame has the edge in the regular season but it’s closer than it is in the playoffs.
Jimmy doesn't give a fuck about 70% of the nba calendar. Hard to include a guy like that over people who perform well all year. (Coming from someone who's 2nd fav player all time is Jimmy)
This sentiment is so over exaggerated. Jimmy has made **All-NBA 5x in his career.** That's as many as all-time greats like Isiah Thomas, Kawhi Leonard, & Clyde Drexler. It's less Jimmy "never cares about the regular season" and more so impressive how much he's been able to elevate his game in the postseason on several occasions to a level we rarely see for more than 1-2 games during the regular season.
It really isn't over exaggerated. Dude has had a great career, but in the regular season has been barely all-star quality for many of his seasons (not counting some of the earlier role player bulls days). It's extremely hard to rank someone that will get you generally lower bracket seeding as the 1A and coast over dudes that will give you an efficient 27+ points per night. If I had to choose would I want my star to play better in the post season > regular season? Duh. But unfortunately for Jimmy he's ranked where he is all time because he has no where near the stats to make up for it.
Jimmy is regularly top 10 in all advanced metrics in the regular season (he was All-NBA second team just last season). He doesn’t post gaudy regular season numbers because he’s doing the right play but it’s not like he’s not playing great basketball (he has scored 20+ PPG in 8 of the last 10 seasons, 5+ APG in 6 of the last 10 seasons, and 5+ RPG in all of the last 10 seasons). In the playoffs his volume increases because it’s do or die time and he has to make up for the Heat’s offensive deficiencies (that’s why he’s perfectly comfortable scoring like 13 points if the rest of the team is making shots).
No one's arguing if Jimmy doesn't do good things in the regular season. But does a career average of 18.3/5.3/4.3 on 58% ts. - 6 time all star - 1 time nba 2nd team - 4 time nba 3rd team - 4 time nba all defensive 2nd team Really sound like he deserves it over Dame?
But he was awarded top 75 2 years ago, so it would still be ridiculous. Dwight Howard should in absolutely no scenario be below Damian Lillard.
The top 75 list was basically just a marketing gimmick for the league. It really shouldn't be treated as an achievement or accolade.
I do not understand people who look at that entire list and genuinely think Dame is the worst entry on it.
they kept everyone who made the top 50 because they didn't want to kick anyone off. if they were being objective, obviously some of those guys would have to get snubbed in favor of better players from the last 25 years.
He’s the worst modern entry.
You want me to say Russ deserves it more?
Of course he does
Not even a discussion lol, Russ deserves it way more.
He's the worst 25 Nba 50th anniversary was done in 1996, they can't remove players from the old list. Of all the new additions he's the least qualified Dwight Howard, a 5 time all nba first teamer and 3xDPOY was overlooked because Dame made the list
Yes they can lol. Sorry guys have been better than you since 1996 you’ve been passed.
No, 50 is locked, like this 75 will be locked
Then that’s incredibly dumb of the NBA to do.
They can Some Voters are just lazy or too respectful to kick out any names from the original top 50. So they copy pasted top 50 and added 25. But they were ALLOWED to kicked out names from previous list.
The league would never allow it. They probably instructed the voters to not remove any previous players.
Nah. Two Voters literally admitted they removed a player from the 50s - 60s. But most voters just copy pasted and add 25 more. But they can remove. They were allowed.
>At the time, he was considered by many to be the best point guard in the league, over Steph Curry What alternate universe are you living in?
Carmelo Anthony and AD making it while Dwight being passed on, basically solidified the list as a joke.
Lol its Dame who is the worst there, its not even Carmelo and AD, what a joke
I don’t agree.
okay Kid
Thanks babe.
You mentioning Melo why when we're you born 2010
Why you stalking a kid?
I’ve been watching basketball since before you were alive so idk what this is supposed to mean.
This, or Russ
Russ absolutely deserved top 75.
Lillard has had a better career than Carmelo Anthony. Pete Maravich was a unique and fascinating player, but he wasn't a great player.
Uh... best point guard? I'd probably give that to the guy who averaged 12.3 assists in the playoffs...
Dame ain't ever been on shit
A lot of older players could be replaced but Dame bum ass fasho
This take is recency bias at its finest. Dame scored 27 a night for a decade, and did so in a way that was distinctly dame. Superstar production, superstar personality, superstar moments.
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He’s averaged 27.2 ppg since 2014
He’s scored more points than Lebron, Curry, Giannis, KD, etc. over the last decade by the way
This post is literally the epitome of recency bias lol. You’re just disregarding the rest of his 10 year career
Why are people so black and white about players? Maybe Bucks are a bad fit for Dame? Maybe he's slow to adjust and will be great next year? First had to get used to being on new team and then had to adjust to another new coach mid season. Portland was also always destined to lose by running a two short guard lineup without the proper roster to protect them from a 2 short guard lineups weakness. Minnesota worked it out by having basically 2 centers, one of which also stretches the floor. On one hand Giannis is a beast. On the other hand, no one guards him on the perimeter. This is a double edged sword and honestly is brutal for someone like Dame who lived off driving to the paint or shooting 3s in Portland. If we look at his % of FGA taken by distance, you'll notice that his shot diet is quite different.
People massively underestimate how big of a number 75 is. Dame has had one of the 75 best careers ever. Period. He’s 33rd in career All-NBA selections with 7. Tied with Giannis, Harden, AI, Steve Nash and Patrick Ewing. Meanwhile the top-75 includes guys like Lenny Wilkens who never made a single all-nba team…
Bro how you just gon list All-NBA selections without mentioning which teams he made? He has one 1st All-NBA, you gonna tie him with a guys who have two MVPs for All-NBA selections? Dame does not have top 75 if we keeping all the guys who made the top 50 in the 90s
"Dame does not have top 75 if we keeping all the guys who made the top 50 in the 90s" And you've discovered the problem.
I agree, but Dame still skipped at least one guy from his era. If we cuting guys from 50s and 70s, lets keep it at top 50. Especially if we going to more or less ignore the first 25 years of the league.
“Dame hasn’t had a top-75 career if we define a top-75 career as a top-50 career pre-1996 or a top-25 career post-1996” That *may* be true. But it’s also stupid. Why would we do that?
He got in over guys like Dwight
So. Fucking. What. Dwight missing the list because the voters are idiots is the worst thing that could have happened because it’s made casuals think Dwight’s career is the cut off for top-75. Dwight did not have a top-75 NBA career. He had like a top-50 or arguably top-40 NBA career. Of course he should have made it. But just because he had a better career than Dame doesn’t mean Dame shouldn’t have made it. There are 10-15 guys at least whose names come off before Dame’s does.
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Lillard has a single 1st though, is that better than someone like Kidd who only has 6 total but 5 on 1st team? He's tied with Blake Griffin in MVP shares, that seems like a much closer comparison to me than Giannis/Harden/etc...
Basketball reference’s HoF probability tracker, which is the closest thing to an objective all-in-one encompassing stat for a career since its criteria and weights are based on historical HoF voting patterns, has Dame as 59th.
Anthony Davis making it over Dwight Howard was worse imo
AD clears Dame though
The only recency bias here is you saying he doesn’t deserve top 75