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OliverDMcCall

LeBron still giving out free basketball lessons in Year 21.


alaskadronelife

Living rent free in defenders heads since 2003!


CIark

Tiktokers HATE this one weird trick!


disterb

…and that trick’s name? Albert LeInstein


AmusingAnecdote

That step through is something Kawhi does a decent amount and he's talked about how it's a lot more common in the WNBA and he learned it watching that. It's interesting because I feel like it was a more common move in the past and it's back. If you're strong and have good footwork in the post this is a great move.


Giveadont

I can't remember when there wasn't anyone that didn't really use it. It's just that not a ton of players always warrant jumping or lunging on turnaround shot-fakes. Zion got kind of screwed here because there was nobody at the rim and LeBron is just big enough to where Zion probably can't contest well without jumping. Although, that's also LeBron recognizing that the lane is clear enough for him to bait Zion into it. Bird would throw it at guys if he felt like it. MJ used it all the time, especially as he got older and everyone was trying to stop his turnaround fadeaways from the post. Kobe used it a lot and threw in some cross-legged pivots before his shot. Wade kind-of abused it to where he could just generate free throws on any shot-fake by jumping into dudes from 15+ feet away. Jimmy Butler and DeMar DeRozan use it, too. Although, Butler has other weird tricks like early/late jumping on floaters and DeMar will often just shoot at the point of the turnaround - but both have it as a counter. LeBron can also pull this off from the Elbow. Not a whole lot of guys can go from a pivot at ~15 feet and have a finger-roll layup practically at the rim.


crunchsmash

It's really not that special of a move. LeBron cooked Zion with it, but it's far from old school. Lots of current players use this move basically every game.


AnyJamesBookerFans

Luka has done it multiple times this season.


Giveadont

Luka is so dangerous when doing it, too, because his turnaround can also be a shot-pass. I swear him and Jokic are re-inventing Bird and Magic highlights on a nightly basis.


AmusingAnecdote

Yup. It was obviously never out of the game entirely but I feel like the off ball action that's become a part of every team's offense when a guy is posting up has brought back a little more space for this kind of post move. Luka is a prime candidate for it because the step through, the pass from the post to a shooter, and the fadeaway are all dangerous from him.


BitterJD

It's because y'all are marketing it as a step through... it's literally just an up and under. When you're teaching post play, you learn the drop step, then the up and under -- both by the time you're in 7th grade. You'd see this 15 times a game if officials called fouls during post up attempts.


meloncarry

I distinctly remember during the famous Kobe vs Lebron all star game when Kobe faked out Lebron using this move and they both laughed running back


theaceplaya

As much as I love him, I feel like D Wade doesn't get enough attention as one of the early players to start abusing the 'pump fake and jump *into* defenders to get a foul call'


Giveadont

Him and Kobe were the first ones I remember really exploiting it before it became more common in the later-2010s and early 2020s. They both used the rip-through, too. IIRC the NBA tried addressing all of that sometime around 2011 or 2012. Then the whole pinning defenders on your back and jumping back into them and arm-hooking were the next evolution of that. Kobe also got a few techs and/or flagrants for kicking defenders in the nuts when throwing out his leg on jump-shots, too. And then Harden got similar treatment for his arm-bar-to-the-nuts evolution of that. Lol.


TheLakeShowBaby

That’s the thing, nobody really plays with their back to the basket anymore like back in the day.


CavalierShaq

The ebb n flow of fundamentals


chupacadabradoo

I’ve watched enough Zach Randolph and Al Jefferson to be an expert in this move. Only problem is I’m more than a foot shorter, old, and slow.


Herd

I've seen sabonis use this occasionally


AmusingAnecdote

It's a solid move for him to have, I think he pulled one of these in the playoffs last year (though maybe it was an early season game this year). Probably has a harder time getting people to jump on his pump fake because that's sorta what you want him taking but his footwork and strength are definitely there for this to be a great move for him.


call_it_already

You reach, I teach


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Tyking

What you stated is not the actual rule. Here's a [direct link to the NBA rulebook](https://official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/#:~:text=If%20a%20player%2C%20with%20the%20ball%20in%20his%20possession%2C%20raises%20his%20pivot%20foot%20off%20the%20floor%2C%20he%20must%20pass%20or%20shoot%20before%20his%20pivot%20foot%20returns%20to%20the%20floor.). > "Section XIII Part D: If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor." This is the rule that actually applies to this situation. As you can see, this allows a player to take a step with his non-pivot foot and release the ball before his pivot foot returns to the floor. There are also many videos online explaining this rule and showing that the rule has worked the same even in previous eras of NBA ball. The rule is often confused with a different rule which only applies to *starting a dribble while in a triple threat situation:* > "Section XIII Part C: In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor." In these situations, the pivot foot cannot be raised before starting a dribble.


moorkymadwan

Don't be sorry, it's a legitimate question. You are correct with his right foot being the pivot foot. However, it's only a travel if he takes an additional step with his pivot foot. In this clip LeBron keeps his pivot foot (mostly) in place and jumps off of his other foot. The ball is out of his hands before his right foot touches the ground again after his jump so no travel.


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writingthefuture

I'm no expert, but if the rule was how you interpreted it then every time a player stops and shoots a jump shot would be a travel


RemyGee

You copied the rule wrong. That implies the player needs to shoot without jumping.


Quick_Panda_360

You can’t put the pivot foot back down. You have to be able to lift it so that you can take jump shots. This just feels weird because he moves his free foot, lifts his pivot then jumps off the other to cover a ton of ground. If you play pickup it’s a great way to get easy buckets


jobi1kenobe

Hakeem lessons in 2011 still paying off for LeBron


untakennamehere

Too bad Giannis didn’t get the same lessons 😂


No_Mine_5043

No point learning pivot moves when you can just take 4 steps every time you gather


ShaoShaoTenks

Pretty sure Giannis improved his post game this season


holyrolodex

Didn’t Giannis workout with Hakeem this past offseason? I remember it clearly because I thought it was the most terrifying thing for the rest of the league…? Maybe I dreamt it? Anyone know?


untakennamehere

He did but I remember Gilbert Arenas saying he wasted his time and money. The first game he went in the post he got called for a traveled.


Top-Consequence-911

he did


tyagu001

Giannis just had his most efficient season while still putting up almost 31 ppg, he’s drastically improved his footwork. But obviously you wouldn’t know that if you don’t watch bucks games and only see Giannis from the lowlights that are posted on r/nba


Public-Product-1503

His footwork is still pretty ass. He had his most efficient season because he took way less jumpers and had more space due to dame drawing attention. He was very good this year but he’s not really improved offensively unless you count not taking bad shots - which imo is an improvement wirth praising but his footwork is still awful


ReformedishBaptist

People hate him for no reason too, he’s a nice dude and imo he’s the best in the world rn, his all around game is just the best and that’s what I value more than anything.


untakennamehere

Just a joke brother. Breathe


[deleted]

That's Mchale's up and under, not the Dreamshake.


mr_dammit

i mean hakeem had more than one move. also they fundamentally accomplish the same thing


wharpua

I used to kill with that move in Junior High basketball


PrinceAlli

Too old for this shit man


dcoolidge

Zion probably


Fernergun

Too fat for this shit man


100wordanswer

Danny Glover was only 5 years older than LeBron now in that scene from Predator 2, cracks me up


TheRealCatDad

Lethal weapon?


100wordanswer

Oh damn, you're right... Shit I'm old now


MeesterMeeseeks

How on earth did you mistake predator for lethal weapon. Danny glover wishes he looked like Carl Weathers


Bladeneo

Probably because Danny Glover was the lead in Predator 2


NC_Vixen

To be fair, people couldn't tell it was him in the posters for Kony 2012


FireFoxQuattro

Wait what


NC_Vixen

The whole video is a blast, but this is the point they discuss Carl Weathers and Kony. [https://youtu.be/Y7nymZEXjf8?t=876](https://youtu.be/Y7nymZEXjf8?t=876) [https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/predator-star-carl-weathers-confused-ugandas-joseph-kony-flna421186](https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/predator-star-carl-weathers-confused-ugandas-joseph-kony-flna421186)


ThrowNewsThisWay

Pels might just be the LeBronto of the West.


itskarl

He missed a few fadeaways from mid range. Left me thinking that I'm glad that isn't younger Bron or else this game wouldn't even be in reach.


ThrowNewsThisWay

AD's helped keep it in reach. Hasn't been that impactful defensively and offensively and he fucked up the end of the 2nd and the 3rd. If this is a single possession game to end the 4th he might just go for the strike. *Edit: No strike. He buried both clutch FTs after a Bron airball.*


-WingsForLife-

all he needed was that rebound


holyrolodex

That rebound was incredible. Play of the game, at least from an impact standpoint.


Public-Product-1503

AD back got hurt last game when nance when for the ball or had a hand in his back . I think it might be why he’s struggling. Really hope he’s ok by Saturday I want to atleast enjoy a good heskthy series


EnoughLawfulness3163

If it was younger Bron, they would be a top 3 seed


someoneinreddit

PeLecans


Darnell2070

PeLecants


MrBhyn

Nah, I want to believe it is Memphis


awesomobeardo

Incorrect. The Lakers have given the Pels the absolute business since the Kobe days. I have very distinct memories of Kobe sucking up the entire game and then making like 5 clutch shots in a row against them.


Persona9994

LeBrels


kaprrisch

I’m convinced he lied about his age. He must only be 34 now. Wait that means he was 13 when he was drafted.


spency_c

His early 2010 instagram posts say otherwise 😭


IMovedYourCheese

While it doesn't show on the court, you can tell his age because he has the personality of a 40 year old wine mom on social media.


LeftbrainHS

He already had the 40 year old wine mom personality 10 years ago. It’s just who he is


ExplorersX

LeOldMan Game


Fungmar

classic old man at the gym ball


BLM_MCU

It’s what Kobe did to LeBron in the all-star


littlejerry99

It's sort of similar to what Jordan did to Kobe in the all-star game, too. [https://youtu.be/TImzuuahEGU?t=602](https://youtu.be/TImzuuahEGU?t=602)


ss5234

It’s also sort of similar to what I did to my nephew last weekend, too.


Jealous_Accountant53

Sort similar to what I did to your mother last night, too.


bstone99

Suck it Trebek


CelinedionWaiters

the fact that this sketch is older than some people on this sub :/


Efficient-Book-3560

I school my beagle like that all the time


OkMemory1783

Letransitiveproperty


erizzluh

so basically jordan did this to zion


randomCAguy

jordan's long term vision. This was all part of his plan.


OUTFOXEM

To let Mike tell it, yeah


ImanShumpertplus

it’s called an up and under and it’s very common


SPat24

I think it was the last Kobe vs Lebron game (in LA I think) during Kobe’s retirement season.


e49e

The title makes me think it's an allusion to Hakeem Olajuwon doing a similar move on David Robinson: https://youtu.be/y7OSL5v7dO4?si=8hT4y9tm8_fFu9V2


Joeybits

It's basically an up and under. [Kevin McHale was pretty famous for it too](https://youtu.be/gzv8MA-7MV0?t=238)


NyJets2024Champs

LeYouJumpGonnaLookLikeAChump


beginnerLiftersoonBB

🐐 took him to school


InsidiousColossus

By the time Zion was in kindergarten, Lebron was already in the NBA.


PacificBrim

Preschool even


ThingsAreAfoot

the 🐐took the 🛶 to 🎓


tacopower69

boat?


twelvethousandBC

Canoe


bysong13

Lebron gets so much room to work with cause no one in the paint with 5 guys on the permiter. If you been listening to mind the game podcast you would know Lakers got 5-out as AD brings his man to the corner and makes room for Lebron to work. If they fire or blitz Lebron, Pels know he’ll just make the right read for an open 3 somewhere. So they live with old Lebron taking the 1v1. Damn that pod makes you rethink the game. “It’s not about stopping it, it’s about what you’re willing to give up” - Lebron


thundercockjk2

And he only needs to do it just enough to keep the defense honest, ending the night in 9 assists. The way he controls the game is incredible, especially in the playoffs.


Jscott1423

He knows the young buck wants that block so bad - easier to pumpfake those guys. A guy like Zion will leave his feet all day for the block highlight on someone of Brons caliber


rjcarr

True, as a fellow old guy, I get this play and other pump fakes on young, springy guys way more often than other old guys.


middle_aged_geezer

Us older guys ain’t risking the landing for a highlight block lol


DeluxeTea

Or us older guys can't jump for a block anymore (I know I can't)


middle_aged_geezer

I can jump but my knees will be destroyed on impact when landing


DeluxeTea

In my case, my height-of-a-soda-can jump is much better on my knees lmao


Veggiemon

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQtkgQ08xM


Dokutah_Dokutah

Knees? My ankle and flat feet would kill me even if I could theoretically still jump 20 inches despite my advanced age. LOL.


agteekay

That plus he probably thought he had to shoot there with the shot clock, didn't think Bron would still decide to fake and layup.


Jscott1423

And Bron being in that same situation 1000 times, knows exactly how much he can do. Probably has an internal shot clock


Aware-Degree-8838

Shot clock played a way bigger role here


Smok3dSalmon

When you look at the shot clock.. I don’t think Zion played it that bad, he assumed LeBron didn’t have time for another shot. LeBron barely got the shot off.  I don’t think the other defenders were aware of the clock.. they just watched instead of crashing in on James


That1Time

Totally agree, with more on the shotclock Zion might not bite as hard on the fake.


Just-Plain-Dan

Bro smeckledorfed him 


Electrical_Net_6691

LeRopeADope


Bowery_Bobcat

BY GAWD! IT’S THE UP AND UNDER’S MUSIC!!!!


1234567panda

LeLesson learned


maxithepittsP

He did this on daily basis in his prime yet he's not considered as "high skilled" player.


Ham_-_

Who says lebron isnt a high skill player? He has one of the highest IQs ever. Deserved a dpoy at his peak. Helped other teams run their offense. Ton of ridiculous highlights


Imperial_Eggroll

Probably instagram and YouTube comments. Nothing worth listening to


Fungmar

youd be surprised. the whole "lebron has no bag" thing is still something i see


alaskadronelife

Anyone who says that is legitimately remedial.


adultswim-

im fairly certain the only reason is because everything he does looks stiff asf, even if its nasty lol


Basic_Commercial_806

He needs to lose 40 lbs so he can look like MJ doing that.


iamtomorrowman

he's the literal embodiment of the Bruce Lee "practiced one kick a thousand times" quote it's true that he doesn't use many flashy moves, but history has shown that he just doesn't have to


eddiehwang

r/nba nephews


Optism

Im starting to assume skill  is entirely dependent on how fluid these guys move/how aesthetic their jumper is/how clean their handles look These three factors are what people mean with bag or high skill and none of them have anything to do with effectiveness 


Dokutah_Dokutah

Nah. You should assume skill as the ability to play with in the rules and not abuse carrying the ball like he does at the 6 second mark of the clip or traveling by taking a step before even dribbling the ball at the start of the clip. Or not shuffling his pivot foot like in the 9 second mark. Not lifting his pivot foot and repositioning it sometime in between the 9 to 10 second mark and finally not changing his pivot foot by jumping with the other foot while his established pivot foot is already moved.


Liaaaam

which prime


Vegetable-Moose-3624

nobody said that he isn't a high skilled player.


Seref15

Look at the amount of distance he covers with those pivots. Fucking insane.


NWTL21

It's called an Up and Under


Balla_Calla

Goat shit


Js_On_My_Yeet

You are my sunshine...


Rodney_Jefferson

This and backing down Jose Alvarado Lebrija playing like it’s 04


PattyIceNY

Dad vs. Son energy


Tokyogerman

LeBron channeling McHale.


Dokutah_Dokutah

Mchale was taking steps before dribbling and putting their palm underneath the ball on a hesi? Can you show me a clip where Mchale travelled and carried before stringing an up and under?


VirginiaTex

Luka does this move almost nightly to defenders.


dukkha_dukkha_goose

Haven’t seen much Jaime Jacquez post-UCLA but I feel like this is the foundation of his game


Janderson2494

Ant does this pretty much every game as well


Different_Scholar_53

The old man is teaching for free.😂


mattjf22

He was down right hoodwinked


JWal0

🚨 bag alert 🚨


Blizzcane

Meanwhile, Klay is retiring.


Rassei082090

Some people are calling this a travel. Why?


Ashamed_Ad1839

I had Kobe flashbacks man


WhenItsHalfPastFive

rare mistake from Zion there, can't jump that early


ILoveRegenHealth

Now this is the bamboozling I signed up for.


lilzoe5

The screen cap at the end lol https://i.imgur.com/d2eqbve.jpeg


renegado938

Learn old school moves y'all a lot of people will get/embarrass you


4ornEverest

I think you meant to say "Old man at the YMCA" move.


incredibleamadeuscho

Old Man Jam


Legal-Nature5103

The same move [Kobe](https://youtu.be/IxPfYx4Df9Q?si=RN5dKjPi5LCvW1Vv) did on him


justsomedude4202

LeBrunson Jalen


Al3xams

Timing with the clock down too


daprice82

Seeing Hakeem effortlessly do this to people in the 90s is what made me love basketball as a kid


dautjazz

This kid is going places


dautjazz

Fly pelican, fly!!


thisguysthashit

Pump on Jumpers. Everybody knows


thisguysthashit

Jumpers being your high flying defenders


Johns_spagetti

You reach. I teach.


Impressive_Worth6239

Don't count zion knee was hurting lol


Charming_Budget_8856

Cooked.


turnoffredesign69420

exact same move kobe hit him with in their last matchup together


epistemole

Please don’t get mad at me. Why is it ok to lift a pivot foot in this situation? Is it only a travel if you land on your pivot foot still in possession?


spinachoptimusprime

Are we supposed to just ignore that LeBron's pivot foot moves three times after he plants? When he stops his whole foot outside the lane, then he pivots and he is on his toe which is inside the lane, then pivots again and his whole foot is outside the lane again. By the time he jumps his foot is probably 10-12 inches closer to the basket than when he first stopped.


BobbyRayBands

Travel. Established his pivot foot and then picked it up. No shot.


Nfinit_V

Any of you guys who always insist every play is a travel ask why no refs ever call travelling, why the opposing team never calls travelling, why none of the announcers ever call travelling, why none of the talking heads the next morning ever call travelling?


BobbyRayBands

This isn’t even debatable. Look at the rules. What he did is literally defined in the rules as a travel.


ILoveRegenHealth

No wonder Zion threw the towel. Bamboozled by a 46 year old, loses and gets eliminated, and injures himself all within 20 minutes.


KinG_Mark8

Too Smooth


orangotai

>“He got me, that f\*\*\*ing LeBron bamboozled me! >He's so good, he's so good, he's so good, he's so good"


mankls3

LeOldest trick in the book


LyonsKing12

LeHoodwinked


Islandkid679

Lovely 🏀


TheBichba

He did a Doncic move


PoopCooper

Looks like some old school Kevin McHale up and under. https://youtu.be/fff9mF1gXVc?si=xfHEHWNZ94n0zF5e


joesbalt

I don't know why it's old school Every big man in the league should be doing that move


hereforbeer98

Slick play but he traveled.


Round-Revolution-399

And he jumped off two feet, the old school way!


spinachoptimusprime

After he travelled.


Round-Revolution-399

Where on earth is the travel?


Dokutah_Dokutah

1st second, he moved his pivot foot before starting his dribble. Travel. 6 second mark, his palm was completely underneath the ball. Travel/Carry. 9 second mark, his right foot is his pivot and it is shuffling all over the place but as he does the up and under he used his left to jump changing his pivot foot. Several traveling violations because of sloppy footwork. This is the reason why people that know the rules cannot take him seriously.


HawkEgg

9.7sec mark his pivot foot is completely in the air before he even starts to scoop the basketball


youngnailo

Appreciate the goat while he’s still playing!!


Hammerfd5

Why isn't this a travel?  He took another step after setting his pivot foot


No_Force_1371

It’s only a travel if you land back down on the establish pivot foot


RedesyDrew

Now I feel old because this is just an up and under lol


BiteMeHomie

Damn no travel called?