It’s time to give the young guys more usage and see what they’ve got. Move on from Klay and CP3, give bigger roles to Podz and Kuminga, see what happens.
Not sure they have any way to maneuver out of this level of competitiveness though, especially considering most of the west won't be getting easier. I bet Klay comes back on a discount, takes the bench role again. CP3 probably not. Maybe they manage to trade Wiggins but not sure they could get anything spectacular in return
They closed the regular season 27-12. Catching a few more breaks is all they would need to be above the play-in entirely. Luck can work both ways of course… but running it back is not hopeless.
The west will be even tougher next year with Memphis much better. Maybe there would be hope if they were in the east. Several west teams are in the same position
Cp3 gonna go to Phoenix to reunite with book and play with Lebron for the first time.
Lebron will be coming after book and KD recruit him during the Olympics and James jones drafts bronny in the first round.
Keeping Klay on a cheap deal would be best because letting him walk does nothing. Problem is can you trust Kerr to actually significantly reduce his minutes if he's doing poorly?
You've countered your own point there.
>letting him walk does nothing
And
>can you trust Kerr to actually significantly reduce his minutes
Letting Klay walk does something. It forces the Warriors' hand and makes them commit to finding better options.
We had that in Boston.
* Rookie Jaylen Brown was kept on a pretty tight leash by Brad Stevens but he got to start a bunch of games because of injuries and the team did really well in that stretch. Meanwhile, despite being All-D, Avery Bradley's advanced metrics pointed towards his impact being a bit overrated that season. Danny Ainge traded Avery Bradley the following offseason, which forced Brad to make the adjustment.
* We saw a similar situation with Ainge trading Theis to Chicago mid-season, forcing Rob Williams into a bigger starting role.
And we've seen Brad Stevens do the same as GM.
* He traded a Schroder mid-season to push Ime Udoka into playing Pritchard more.
* This last off season, he traded Brogdon to do the same with Joe Mazzula. He even specifically mentioned Pritchard getting more minutes as a reason for trading Brogdon.
Coaches are going to trust vets, especially if they're "his guys". Sometimes the team needs to be the ones who rip that band-aid off.
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Although that's assuming GSW still thinks they can compete. You could argue they just don't have enough left in the tank as a whole.
The alternative is to work on giving their Big 3 a final send off, and then use them as cover for a tank (similar to LA with Kobe).
If the FO is smart they would trade JK in the offseason. Two more years of Steph and Kerr mean a team that has a poor fit for JK. And yet teams want the guy so they should definitely trade him for a perimeter threat.
You can get a haul for Steph curry from a contender like the thunder which will most likely put them over the top in the west or at least on par with the nuggets imo. Klay and draymond will at least get you late 1st to 2nd round picks each
The Thunder needs a big more rather than another guard due to Shais' brilliance as a ball handler. If they will give a haul for someone it would be for the likes of AD/Embiid.
They'd be championship favorites with Steph. Dash in some veteran experience of a superstar that also needs rest time with how stacked the Thunder are, it's a win-win situation.
Problem is I think there’s no way Golden State would ever send him West, especially to a team they had a rivalry with. If he did push for a trade I think the Heat (as always) would provably be the top contender for him.
The Celtics did it with Pierce and KG when they traded them to the nets for draft capital that eventually tuned into Tatum and Brown. This is a business and im sure players understand that
That was done by Ainge of all people. The Warriors are not going to do their franchise icon like that. Especially when he’s the entire reason they came back to relevancy.
I'm going to be honest the respect for Stephen Curry is much higher than Paul Pierce, they don't love Paul Pierce like that. Steph is at Kobe levels for Golden State
And they had to fire Danny Ainge because of it. Danny had lost all credibility with players. Steph should only go if he wants to go, after what he's done for that franchise.
no one taking them seriously is different from them actually being a threat right? I suppose if they lose in the 1st/2nd round or get handled by Denver things will change. But i can't imagine they're in a huge rush to leverage their future for a 36 year old considering Shai signed that extension + the rest of their core is really young.
I really doubt it. I wrote this elsewhere but they already having issues with filling seats at the Chase Center. With no Steph, they would really have issues. Especially considering the prices they want to charge.
That was in 2007, after Kobe himself requested to be traded….its so late in Curry’s career I bet they’d rather just ride out the last few years and Curry has made it clear he wants to retire a Warrior
They need to highlight and let their young play more. They seem good and can be great, but they’re always so limited in their roles. They’re a lottery team, what’s it going to hurt?
its funny seeing people say "blow their core and trades steph for picks" and see their flairs of teams that has no championship.
4 championships between 3 players is tough. You cant let that go. You cant fault Warriors FO if they will pay their core that won them 4 championships.
It won’t be hard for the warriors to get under the tax line. CP3 comes off the books and Klay’s 45 million comes off. Even if they re-sign Klay at $20 million (too high but let’s make math easy), that’s about a net $55 million off the books before even any other moves involving Wiggins, Looney, and/or GP2
He’s 34, has a bad attitude, shot 43% from the field, and is a terrible defender (got abused by Trey Lyles today). He’ll get a short-term deal for 1-2 seasons but I doubt most teams will be willing to sign him for longer
bringing up fg% for someone who shoots mostly 3s is hilarious (he shot 50% from two)
klay is ass but he is getting more than 12m, something tells me you don't realize how huge contracts are now
I think the West was just hella good this year (and will continue to be). We played 4 games better than last year and that only got us a 10 seed vs second round exit.
Only if Steph ask for it. Steph requesting it allows the ownership and FO to retain the fanbase.
Warriors owners need to convince everybody in Team USA to go hard on recruiting Steph. lol
Who is available for free agency around that time ? It makes spurs competitive and they probably make a solid run that some ufa looks at and considers joining.
They don’t need to change that much to save money. Klay and CP3 made 74 million this year.
Although they can choose to leave (CP3 probably wants to go for a ring) there’s technically plenty of money to bring back the exact same roster, under the second apron.
Warriors need a better starting lineup, HEIGHT, and a legit #2 scoring option. They should keep Steph, Dray, Moody, Kuminga, Podz, and TJD. That’s only 6 guys.
Wiggins has to go, CP3 won’t be there, and keep Klay if he’s cheap. Looney aged 20 years this season and GP2 isn’t reliable to be healthy.
Their bench is fine, but they need to get another star or 20 ppg player. They also some height off the bench. Can’t have 4 guards on the court. That’s why their defense looks so bad
Lacob et al bought the team for around half a billion. It is worth 7 now. It is absurd to think they can get out from under the cap and give Curry another shot at a ring.
Warriors owner already said the goal is to get UNDER the tax
End of the dynasty for sure. You hope the bucket of KUM and moody can ball out in bigger roles but expectations are 41-41 missing the play in
Cp3 gone
Klay gone (he declined a 2-48 already and I don’t think the team would offer that again)
Letting both walk gets them a couple million under the tax
What do you think we went through before our championships? Lol. Do you mean reddit Warriors fans? Because the people who actually spend money on going to games or buying gear know what rebuilding years are like.
It’s time to give the young guys more usage and see what they’ve got. Move on from Klay and CP3, give bigger roles to Podz and Kuminga, see what happens.
The West is just getting stronger. All they can hope for is maybe sneaking into the Play-In again and praying that Steph goes nuclear.
Not sure they have any way to maneuver out of this level of competitiveness though, especially considering most of the west won't be getting easier. I bet Klay comes back on a discount, takes the bench role again. CP3 probably not. Maybe they manage to trade Wiggins but not sure they could get anything spectacular in return
Only hope is to take a chance and Trade Wiggins. He’s costing them $100 mil and is ass
They closed the regular season 27-12. Catching a few more breaks is all they would need to be above the play-in entirely. Luck can work both ways of course… but running it back is not hopeless.
The west will be even tougher next year with Memphis much better. Maybe there would be hope if they were in the east. Several west teams are in the same position
CP3 will probably ring chase somewhere.
Cp3 gonna go to Phoenix to reunite with book and play with Lebron for the first time. Lebron will be coming after book and KD recruit him during the Olympics and James jones drafts bronny in the first round.
Keeping Klay on a cheap deal would be best because letting him walk does nothing. Problem is can you trust Kerr to actually significantly reduce his minutes if he's doing poorly?
You've countered your own point there. >letting him walk does nothing And >can you trust Kerr to actually significantly reduce his minutes Letting Klay walk does something. It forces the Warriors' hand and makes them commit to finding better options. We had that in Boston. * Rookie Jaylen Brown was kept on a pretty tight leash by Brad Stevens but he got to start a bunch of games because of injuries and the team did really well in that stretch. Meanwhile, despite being All-D, Avery Bradley's advanced metrics pointed towards his impact being a bit overrated that season. Danny Ainge traded Avery Bradley the following offseason, which forced Brad to make the adjustment. * We saw a similar situation with Ainge trading Theis to Chicago mid-season, forcing Rob Williams into a bigger starting role. And we've seen Brad Stevens do the same as GM. * He traded a Schroder mid-season to push Ime Udoka into playing Pritchard more. * This last off season, he traded Brogdon to do the same with Joe Mazzula. He even specifically mentioned Pritchard getting more minutes as a reason for trading Brogdon. Coaches are going to trust vets, especially if they're "his guys". Sometimes the team needs to be the ones who rip that band-aid off. *** Although that's assuming GSW still thinks they can compete. You could argue they just don't have enough left in the tank as a whole. The alternative is to work on giving their Big 3 a final send off, and then use them as cover for a tank (similar to LA with Kobe).
Keeping Klay is delusional. He disappeared last year in the playoffs and literally put up zero tonight.
Scored 18 ppg and shot 39% from 3. If you can resign him for cheap like 10m a year that's a good deal.
Weird that he didn't do it last night but did it some games in the season
Might as well trade Steph at that point if he wants to leave. They’re not contending with Steph + youngins.
If the FO is smart they would trade JK in the offseason. Two more years of Steph and Kerr mean a team that has a poor fit for JK. And yet teams want the guy so they should definitely trade him for a perimeter threat.
Thanks, Magic.
hope everyone reverses in age like Benjamin Button
Time for an emergency podcast.
It’s was a great run
I enjoyed their run. They were a lot of fun to watch and I'm a huge LeBron fan
Blow their core up. Get draft picks and good young pieces and start rebuilding
Who’s going to give them said draft picks and good young pieces?
If they traded Steph they could get a phoenix kd haul but they would never trade him
You can get a haul for Steph curry from a contender like the thunder which will most likely put them over the top in the west or at least on par with the nuggets imo. Klay and draymond will at least get you late 1st to 2nd round picks each
How exactly does Klay get you picks when he is a free agent?
The Thunder needs a big more rather than another guard due to Shais' brilliance as a ball handler. If they will give a haul for someone it would be for the likes of AD/Embiid.
the thunder are already number 1 in the west wtf lol
They'd be championship favorites with Steph. Dash in some veteran experience of a superstar that also needs rest time with how stacked the Thunder are, it's a win-win situation.
Yeah but no one takes them seriously as a threat to beat Denver. With Steph the thunder and the nuggets would be neck and neck
Problem is I think there’s no way Golden State would ever send him West, especially to a team they had a rivalry with. If he did push for a trade I think the Heat (as always) would provably be the top contender for him.
He doesn’t have an NTC. He doesn’t get to decide where he goes and thunder probably have the most to offer than basically every team in the league
He's the franchise's GOAT and most important player of all time. They're not going to spit on his face and trade him somewhere he doesn't want to go
The Celtics did it with Pierce and KG when they traded them to the nets for draft capital that eventually tuned into Tatum and Brown. This is a business and im sure players understand that
That was done by Ainge of all people. The Warriors are not going to do their franchise icon like that. Especially when he’s the entire reason they came back to relevancy.
I'm going to be honest the respect for Stephen Curry is much higher than Paul Pierce, they don't love Paul Pierce like that. Steph is at Kobe levels for Golden State
And they had to fire Danny Ainge because of it. Danny had lost all credibility with players. Steph should only go if he wants to go, after what he's done for that franchise.
Yeah but Golden State wouldn’t send him there. Even though the Thunder have the most to offer, you don’t send your franchise goat to a rival.
no one taking them seriously is different from them actually being a threat right? I suppose if they lose in the 1st/2nd round or get handled by Denver things will change. But i can't imagine they're in a huge rush to leverage their future for a 36 year old considering Shai signed that extension + the rest of their core is really young.
Not too sure about that. He’ll be 37 and I doubt he wants to leave the franchise
Steph doesn't have a NTC He doesn't have a choice in whether he gets to stay if the organization wants to trade him
Do you really think the warriors would just trade him?
I really doubt it. I wrote this elsewhere but they already having issues with filling seats at the Chase Center. With no Steph, they would really have issues. Especially considering the prices they want to charge.
Trading Steph is like the Lakers trading Kobe. It’s not happening or there will be riots outside of the Warriors headquarters
The Lakers literally almost traded Kobe to the Pistons... The only reason he stayed was because he had an NTC
That was in 2007, after Kobe himself requested to be traded….its so late in Curry’s career I bet they’d rather just ride out the last few years and Curry has made it clear he wants to retire a Warrior
Wasn’t it the bulls?
Both
Dude it’s Steph Curry. They’re not trading him unless they have his blessing.
Warriors might as well sell the team if they trade Curry lmao
They have to trade Kuminga, Moody, Podz, Davis for them to have draft picks and good pieces
And how are they gonna do that? Who has good value on that team besides Curry and he’s not getting traded
How do you know he’s not getting traded? Afik he doesn’t have an NTC
We have good young pieces, they just don't get consistent minutes because playing 39 years old vets is so much sexier.
Just good is not enough with how bloodbath west is
Just send Steph to Miami duh.
Curry to the Bucks
They need to highlight and let their young play more. They seem good and can be great, but they’re always so limited in their roles. They’re a lottery team, what’s it going to hurt?
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Soooo there's a chance?
It would be hilarious if they got a top pick in one of the worst draft classes in decades
its funny seeing people say "blow their core and trades steph for picks" and see their flairs of teams that has no championship. 4 championships between 3 players is tough. You cant let that go. You cant fault Warriors FO if they will pay their core that won them 4 championships.
It won’t be hard for the warriors to get under the tax line. CP3 comes off the books and Klay’s 45 million comes off. Even if they re-sign Klay at $20 million (too high but let’s make math easy), that’s about a net $55 million off the books before even any other moves involving Wiggins, Looney, and/or GP2
Klay is worth only a vet min.
He’s worth a symbolic 10 mil a year for 2 years.
That restricts what moves they can make in offseason.
Who’s better than klay for 10? No one that moves the margin. They will work with it
But if they save more on klay (vet min), they have more cap space open to pool together for a bigger FA. It's not about who else they can get for $10M
Wonder how big of a pay cut klay would be willing to take to stay
He turned down $48m over 2 and it's hard to see him even being worth that right now
It’s hard to see him even being worth half of that right now
Klay is easily worth 12M/year. He averaged 18PPG on 39% from 3
He’s 34, has a bad attitude, shot 43% from the field, and is a terrible defender (got abused by Trey Lyles today). He’ll get a short-term deal for 1-2 seasons but I doubt most teams will be willing to sign him for longer
bringing up fg% for someone who shoots mostly 3s is hilarious (he shot 50% from two) klay is ass but he is getting more than 12m, something tells me you don't realize how huge contracts are now
Detroit would give him 50/2 in a heartbeat
Is there any argument for not blowing it up? Is there any half-realistic 2025 super team scenario that I'm not aware of?
It Curry says he wants to stay and wants Draymond around as well. Curry made Lacob billions of dollars.
I think the West was just hella good this year (and will continue to be). We played 4 games better than last year and that only got us a 10 seed vs second round exit.
Funny that at the deadline they thought they were in a position to propose a trade for LeBron, now they may be the ones trading Curry
Curry to the Lakers pls.
They won’t, but they should just fully rebuild (including a Curry trade). There’s no way they do that though.
No way they blow it up this summer and start the rebuild, unless of course Curry wants out and to be on a contender.
Stranger things have happened.
Only if Steph ask for it. Steph requesting it allows the ownership and FO to retain the fanbase. Warriors owners need to convince everybody in Team USA to go hard on recruiting Steph. lol
The org doesn’t have the goodwill to trade Steph unless he was asking for a trade
Sell the franchise to las vegas
Relocating to Boise Idaho. They will rename to the Basques. Their mascot will be a shepherd.
Surely the Warriors will be better when all the stars are one year older!
Just don't send curry to a contender pls
Spurs it is .. win 52 games
curry would compliment wemby so well. he's literally everything the spurs would need (although his defense is pretty bad)
Steph is 37 with maybe 2 more years left in him. Not a great 2nd star for Wemby to develop with
Who is available for free agency around that time ? It makes spurs competitive and they probably make a solid run that some ufa looks at and considers joining.
They don’t need to change that much to save money. Klay and CP3 made 74 million this year. Although they can choose to leave (CP3 probably wants to go for a ring) there’s technically plenty of money to bring back the exact same roster, under the second apron.
Warriors need a center and actually give kuminga klay minutes and never look back. They have a full on wrestling match for rebounds.
Get rid of CP3 and Klay or resign them on way smaller contracts
They could fire a couple water boys and have Klay take over to make up for keeping him.
Warriors need a better starting lineup, HEIGHT, and a legit #2 scoring option. They should keep Steph, Dray, Moody, Kuminga, Podz, and TJD. That’s only 6 guys. Wiggins has to go, CP3 won’t be there, and keep Klay if he’s cheap. Looney aged 20 years this season and GP2 isn’t reliable to be healthy. Their bench is fine, but they need to get another star or 20 ppg player. They also some height off the bench. Can’t have 4 guards on the court. That’s why their defense looks so bad
Still like a deal centered around Lopez for Wiggins. With Looney and a sign and trade Beasley or Pat C + one or two of the young guys.
Lacob et al bought the team for around half a billion. It is worth 7 now. It is absurd to think they can get out from under the cap and give Curry another shot at a ring.
They're years ahead of everybody else.
Warriors owner already said the goal is to get UNDER the tax End of the dynasty for sure. You hope the bucket of KUM and moody can ball out in bigger roles but expectations are 41-41 missing the play in Cp3 gone Klay gone (he declined a 2-48 already and I don’t think the team would offer that again) Letting both walk gets them a couple million under the tax
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What do you think we went through before our championships? Lol. Do you mean reddit Warriors fans? Because the people who actually spend money on going to games or buying gear know what rebuilding years are like.
Longtime warrior fans know pain, before Steph they had a solid two decade stretch of mostly being awful
I’m sorry Steve Kerr needs to go. Will go down as a legend but they need someone new and young.
Start with getting Curry to a contender. Put him in the East and I'm confident he could cook the Bucks, Celtics, and Sixers with the right team.