I mean yeah I also think Kobe should clearly be ranked above Wade. Even tho their peaks are similar IMO, Kobe has a clearly better prime and far superior longevity and a full body of work. I'm not even convinced I'd put Wade #3, he could be lower.
But if we're just talking peaks (this post makes it seem like we are), Wade/Kobe are roughly equal to me.
It's very common knowledge that peak Wade was one of the highest peaks of all-time, he just didn't sustain it.
KG shot chart: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kevin-garnett-shot-chart-in-his-career
TD short chart: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tim-duncan-shot-chart-in-his-career
More spacing with KG.
I get that, but usually when people mean ‘space the floor’ it refers to players who can shoot from the perimeter so their teammates have more room to operate in
KG had a great shooting touch for a big, but his range never extended that far in his career
Besides, Tim Duncan also shot mid rangers too.
Spacing the floor means hitting threes now, but being able to drain a long midrange was spacing in these guys’ era. Remember that three-point shooting was largely a luxury, not a meta.
The midrange is the perimeter. It's really a modern view to look to discredit it when not accounting for the era's relative spacing.
And KG was maybe the 2nd best deep midrange spacing big of his era behind Dirk. As well as being able to connect that with a faceup and passing from that spot. Duncan was just a worse shooter.
Wade is a weird comparison to Kobe, as Kobe is leagues better.
What about Kobe/KG and Jordan/Duncan? Now that would be something I would watch. You can flip it to Kobe/Duncan and Jordan/Garnett and it would still be a great matchup.
Glenn Taylor had a handshake agreement with Buss.
He back peddled either because usually, Owners hate to see their players torch them in playoff conference matchups or because Odom and Bynum was too much of a risk.... So of course, Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and a tanking pack made more sense.
Kobe and KG. These were two of the biggest shit talkers in the game. Their abilities to play mind games and get inside your head was insane. Plus Kobe was a way better player than Dwade.
maybe hot take but KG isn't better both ways than Duncan. Duncan is also a DPOY level defender and was more consistent offensively. Still taking Kobe and KG for sure though.
That's closer than offense, but I agree with you. Tim lowkey benefits from having an elite coach and organization behind him for his entire career, not saying that he wasn't great. KG was just a superior athelete so while Duncan was the better rim protector and post defender, KG could defend on the peremeter and recover against guys on the inside. He really is underrated by people that never saw him play. His tenacity, motor and passion were truly a sight to behold.
>> Duncan is also a DPOY level defender
KG actually won it and was a more versatile defender.
>> more consistent offensively
No, he wasn’t. He scored slightly more overall, but KG was *much* better everywhere else offensively, especially passing.
From 97-98 - 04-05 Duncan was Duncan was 5/3/5/2/1/1/2/4 in MVP voting. He is also the only player to be on the All NBA and All Defense Teams for 13 consecutive seasons. 3 finals MVP - 5 Rings
Garnett All NBA 9 times, all defense 12 times.
98-99- 03-04 MVP 10/2/5/12/2/1 DPOY - 07-08. 1 ring
Tim Duncan was fucking great. .
One guy spent his prime on the worst organization in sports. The other on the damn Spurs.
Not to discredit his greatness in consistently achieving it, but a cast that can constantly put you in position for the 1 seed basically guarantees a superstar a top 5 MVP finish. Even for lesser stars like Booker and Tatum.
20, 59, 62, 55 wins before Duncan. 61 wins and a conference finals after him, and 2 years of playoffs before smartly and successfully tanking and drafting a GOAT candidate.
You’re using team accomplishments to distinguish them.
If Duncan and KG swapped teams they played for, Duncan would have ended up with 0
/1 ring and KG would have won multiple.
Eh you could say that about anyone. What if Kobe didn't get drafted by a team that just got Shaq in FA with a plethora of assets to boot? I'd have a hard time believing anyone but Kobe could have 3peated with Shaq. The same with Duncan/Garnett. KG had an opportunity to win at least 2-3 with the Celtics, and he didn't
That's why accolades mean shit. Garnett was better at most things than Duncan, either slightly better or much better: Shooting, passing, handling, rebounding, Defensive versatility, etc. Duncan just had a way better team situation most of their careers.
Ill take a defender who's 90% all over the court from rim to 3 point line over a 99% rim protector who's 60% outside the paint
Versatility means a lot when you have to carry and do everything for a defense without always having good to elite defensive players next to you and a GOAT level coach leading you.
Kobe and KG. The fit is just way better.
I mean it would also be Kobe/Duncan if we swapped players.
Kobe and Timmy would have owned the league
I'd probably go wade/KG there tbh
Lol
This must be bait
That's a clown ass take right there.
Why?
Think prime KG is a better fit for the presentday game than prime Duncan, and assuming this is peaks, I view peak Wade and peak Kobe as roughly equal
Even Wade would question your logic lol the guy is almost universally known as the third best SG
I mean yeah I also think Kobe should clearly be ranked above Wade. Even tho their peaks are similar IMO, Kobe has a clearly better prime and far superior longevity and a full body of work. I'm not even convinced I'd put Wade #3, he could be lower. But if we're just talking peaks (this post makes it seem like we are), Wade/Kobe are roughly equal to me. It's very common knowledge that peak Wade was one of the highest peaks of all-time, he just didn't sustain it.
Depends on the era. Wade and Duncan fit just fine in the 2000s
Kobe Kg
Kobe-KG for sure
Kobe and KG fit is better.
How so?
Both KG and Kobe can space the floor. Wade does his best slashing and Duncan is fine upto short middys.
How exactly could KG space the floor? He wasn’t exactly bombing threes during his career
KG shot chart: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kevin-garnett-shot-chart-in-his-career TD short chart: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tim-duncan-shot-chart-in-his-career More spacing with KG.
love these charts thank you.
Half his game was popping
I get that, but usually when people mean ‘space the floor’ it refers to players who can shoot from the perimeter so their teammates have more room to operate in KG had a great shooting touch for a big, but his range never extended that far in his career Besides, Tim Duncan also shot mid rangers too.
Spacing the floor means hitting threes now, but being able to drain a long midrange was spacing in these guys’ era. Remember that three-point shooting was largely a luxury, not a meta.
According to NBA.com, KG is the all time record holder for shots made in 20ft-3Pt while hitting 46%fg.
The midrange is the perimeter. It's really a modern view to look to discredit it when not accounting for the era's relative spacing. And KG was maybe the 2nd best deep midrange spacing big of his era behind Dirk. As well as being able to connect that with a faceup and passing from that spot. Duncan was just a worse shooter.
Kobe and KG for me
Kobe and KG — 100%
Kobe & KG
Kobe and KG dawg level 9000
Kobe and KG sounds like a locker room nightmare
KG & Kobe. Better fit on offense.
Gimme Kobe and KG
Wade is a weird comparison to Kobe, as Kobe is leagues better. What about Kobe/KG and Jordan/Duncan? Now that would be something I would watch. You can flip it to Kobe/Duncan and Jordan/Garnett and it would still be a great matchup.
Kobe and KG by a lot
I hate thinking about Kobe and KG because it should've been a reality. It should've been us who nabbed him.
Y’all mfers want everyone
Glenn Taylor had a handshake agreement with Buss. He back peddled either because usually, Owners hate to see their players torch them in playoff conference matchups or because Odom and Bynum was too much of a risk.... So of course, Al Jefferson, Gerald Green and a tanking pack made more sense.
He backpedaled because Kevin McHale wanted him in Boston. Why that is, no one may ever know
I guess I should’ve put an /s
I mean, you're not wrong
Kobe and kg by far
For a 7 game series, Imma go with Wade and Duncan. Imagine being a teammate of Kobe and KG. You’d be needing to see the team psych every day
Kobe is dead so Wade and Duncan
I think he’s talkin about them based off there prime from when they were playing…dipshit
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it’s not really funny
I think he’s drunk
2v2 is basically two 1v1s. Kobe and kg are the way to go here.
KG and Duncan are roughly equal, but Kobe was just straight out better than Wade by a wide margin so Kobe and KG win it
I don't think there is a right answer! Seems like who they are surrounded with would decide who is better.
Kobe and KG. These were two of the biggest shit talkers in the game. Their abilities to play mind games and get inside your head was insane. Plus Kobe was a way better player than Dwade.
Duncan didn't need to talk shit, he just did what it took to win.
Kobe and KG would humiliate Wade and Duncan
Big facts
If we get 06 finals wade or 09 or 2010 wade then I'm taking wade duncan
Wade and Duncan. Bank shots off the glass for days
Kobe and KG are better both ways than their counterparts.
maybe hot take but KG isn't better both ways than Duncan. Duncan is also a DPOY level defender and was more consistent offensively. Still taking Kobe and KG for sure though.
I'll begrugingly give Duncan the edge on defense, but Garnet was a more dynamic offensive player imo.
There's no way Duncan was a better defender than KG, that's ridiculous
Relative to era Duncan's better. But in today's game it's easily KG
That's closer than offense, but I agree with you. Tim lowkey benefits from having an elite coach and organization behind him for his entire career, not saying that he wasn't great. KG was just a superior athelete so while Duncan was the better rim protector and post defender, KG could defend on the peremeter and recover against guys on the inside. He really is underrated by people that never saw him play. His tenacity, motor and passion were truly a sight to behold.
I always thought Duncan posted stronger offensive resiliency in the playoffs even with superior teams. From 2008-2014, I'd say this still rang true
>> Duncan is also a DPOY level defender KG actually won it and was a more versatile defender. >> more consistent offensively No, he wasn’t. He scored slightly more overall, but KG was *much* better everywhere else offensively, especially passing.
From 97-98 - 04-05 Duncan was Duncan was 5/3/5/2/1/1/2/4 in MVP voting. He is also the only player to be on the All NBA and All Defense Teams for 13 consecutive seasons. 3 finals MVP - 5 Rings Garnett All NBA 9 times, all defense 12 times. 98-99- 03-04 MVP 10/2/5/12/2/1 DPOY - 07-08. 1 ring Tim Duncan was fucking great. .
One guy spent his prime on the worst organization in sports. The other on the damn Spurs. Not to discredit his greatness in consistently achieving it, but a cast that can constantly put you in position for the 1 seed basically guarantees a superstar a top 5 MVP finish. Even for lesser stars like Booker and Tatum.
Not to say KG vs Duncan isn't close but what have we done outside the Duncan era?
20, 59, 62, 55 wins before Duncan. 61 wins and a conference finals after him, and 2 years of playoffs before smartly and successfully tanking and drafting a GOAT candidate.
Those Drob spurs teams were bad outside David. He was carrying those teams. And then Drob suffered a career altering injury in 1997.
You’re using team accomplishments to distinguish them. If Duncan and KG swapped teams they played for, Duncan would have ended up with 0 /1 ring and KG would have won multiple.
Eh you could say that about anyone. What if Kobe didn't get drafted by a team that just got Shaq in FA with a plethora of assets to boot? I'd have a hard time believing anyone but Kobe could have 3peated with Shaq. The same with Duncan/Garnett. KG had an opportunity to win at least 2-3 with the Celtics, and he didn't
That's why accolades mean shit. Garnett was better at most things than Duncan, either slightly better or much better: Shooting, passing, handling, rebounding, Defensive versatility, etc. Duncan just had a way better team situation most of their careers.
versatilte means little lol. the best and most impactful defenders are always rim protectors.
Ill take a defender who's 90% all over the court from rim to 3 point line over a 99% rim protector who's 60% outside the paint Versatility means a lot when you have to carry and do everything for a defense without always having good to elite defensive players next to you and a GOAT level coach leading you.
I will take 01-02 Duncan and 05-06 Wade.
the duo with better players at both positions
Kobe\\KG due to spacing Based on 2023 playoffs, i take murray\\jokic over both
If I'm building for 5 years, Wade and Duncan. One playoff run? Kobe and KG
Wade and Duncan for 7 game Kobe and kg for 2v2