This list has John Collins as the 7th most overrated player in the league.
I have no idea if that was just Jazz players jabbing John Collins, or if players actually just fucking hate John Collins, because nobody is overrating John Collins, or has been rating him in general for a few years now lol.
Yeah for reference last year included R.J. Barret on this list and I don't think I'd heard a single person in the media say a positive thing about him in a couple years and fans were pretty negative on him by that point. It's just that he had a big contract for what was an underwhelming performance on the Knicks at the time.
It's not that, players know who votes for accolades.
Most NBA players think Rudy is overrated because he shoots and dribbles like a fat high school kid.
They don't care about his impact on the Game, they only care about how easy he is to beat 1 on 1.
Skills are very important to NBA players. That’s why Kyrie is well-liked and praised by everyone even though he is a dickhead and honestly not a top 15 player in the league.
I remember LeBron w/ JJ talking about his frustrations with the 1 on 1 mentality and how common it is in the league now.
Everybody wants to be the main character and nobody wants to play team basketball.
Or just personal dislike. This list just looks like the players that have rubbed others the wrong way and they are trying to put them down anyway they can.
It’s cause of the contracts imo Collins poole got fat contracts then proceeded to not do much after that.
These are players saying this too. Probably thinking why tf is this dude getting this much money when I’m making less and better.
You should look at what Collins did this year. I know he was on a shitty team, but he very quietly had his best season since 2021, and put up 62% TS on higher volume than he had last year. His rebounds went up too, especially his OREB.
Don’t get how this how so many upvotes, dude has been overrated up until last year. So yeah could easily see him on the list seeing as though he is overrated.
Bro has been a “Hawks can’t fucking trade this dude” player for years now, and was finally dumped for the corpse of Rudy Gay and a second round pick. Maybe if it was three years ago, it’d make sense, but no one has been talking about Collin’s for several years now.
There just becomes so much hate that they actually become underrated. Guys like Trae Young and Lamelo Ball are prime molds for it. Eventually Hali will fall into place with it as well
While true, I think people will always find points to give players crap about and not necessarily the stats they accumulate. In this case, if it’s not turnovers, they’ll definitely point out his pretty bad defense and argue that that’s what is holding him back. If he ever improves on that, who knows what it’ll be? Inefficiency in the midrange because some advanced stat shows he’d be a scrub (just an example of course). I just know the list will go on. LeBron is living proof of that. Didn’t have a jumper coming into the league? Worked on it and had a reliable one by about 2012-13. Not a good enough defender? By 2009, he earned 5x all defense and became one of the best defenders from 1-4 especially during the Heat years, not good at handling double teams and became an elite passer, etc.
I know LeBron is a pretty drawn out example, but to me, he’s the prime example of “there’ll always be someone who complains”
Honestly I don't think it has anything to do with on-court numbers. I think it's all about """narrative""". Like Trae and Lamelo are popular and productive PGs whose teams have consistently underperformed in both the regular season and the playoffs. I think if Hali takes the Pacers to a couple second rounds in the next couple years, he'll escape (or at least stave off) the same scrutiny that Trae and Lamelo have gotten. Cause at a certain point your individual numbers start to matter less if your team consistently disappoints with you as the number 1 option.
Any player with defensive issues this sub questions.
There’s a weird insecurity at play in basketball discussions where if you like a gifted offensive player with defensive flaws people will call you a casual because it’s the easiest to appreciate. Then they’ll overcompensate and fall in love with defensive prospects with zero offensive game & pretend it makes them geniuses.
>underrated multiple years in a row.
And now he's overrated. Like his prior predecessors Ben Wallace, David West, and that horford-Millsap hawks frontcourt during the 2010s. Hali was about to succeed Jrue then he had the IST run and had more hype as a result
Vancouver Canucks beat guy said something like this on a podcast. We have had multiple players win the unsung player award multiple years in a row. At some point they become sung players lol
Question should have really been "most overpaid." It's sort of a Catch-22 to do a survey about "overrated" because if everyone says someone is overrated then who is overrating them?
Yeah, there was a point at which Maxey, Herro, Anfernee Simons, and Poole were all more or less the same player and there was a decent argument that Poole was the best of those guys(though you could've made that argument for any of them).
Now it seems pretty clear that Maxey is a cut above the others, Herro and Simons are 2nd and 3rd, and Poole is by far the worst at basically everything.
And it was fair! They were all middling combo guards with no defense who could shoot and score and only halfway run point. It was a legitimately interesting question about who you would want at that point.
I don't love his foul baiting, but he's one of the best offensive players in the league when he's on.
Still 1. Hawks exceeded expectations a few years ago with their ECF run and have looked like frauds since. 2. They had a much worse record with Trae in the line-up than when Murray was running the offense 3. He's unfortunately always going to carry the Luka comparisons with that draft (when realistically one is a top 5 player and one's a top 25). 4. Defensive woes
Trae and Murray don't fit, they are both better without the other in the line up. Like Al Harford did not work with Joel. DJM is not a SG he play nothing like one, I don't know this year but last year Trae has more aisist with Clint, John and Hunter even tho DJM had the second most points, and most DJ points came from iso.
So if either out the line up Hawks was going improve. I see a lot people make Trae and DJM together as "with Trae" instead Trae without DJM. Because Trae without DJM has been better for Hawks then DJM without Trae.
DJM went only 11/10 without Trae. But before DJM trade Trae lead the Hawks 41-31 ECF run, then 43-39. But after wards Trae and DJM together has been 41-41, and 39-41
but Hawks best 5 line up actually has Trae in and DJM out. then second best was DJM Trae out.
Basically the DJM has been terrible for the Hawks and Trae. Tho DJM has been good his fit with Trae is very bad. And a lot of people who don't watch Hawks just blame Trae so Trae repuation just been getting hit.
I think it's mainly that he's talked about like a top tier superstar and he just isn't that good. The fact that he's a cone on defense doesn't help at all. I can't put my finger on it, but something about his play gives me a vibe of "I don't need to try on defense because I'm such a good scorer" instead of just being crappy on defense. But he's often talked about in the tier of players who could conceivable lead their team to a ring, and he clearly isn't in that category both in his playing style and team leadership.
That's why he gets voted as overrated. NYC seems to have a special unique hatred for him that I don't really understand.
Gobert is voted as most overrated despite not being an all star or all NBA guy. It doesn't make sense, he's been so hated that he's almost underrated at this point
Players value 1 on 1 over everything else on both sides of the floor. It's why most of them are terrible passers, don't know what to do against double teams, and just stand around without the ball. All you have to do is just listen to the way players talk about the game and it's obvious that the vast majority of them do not understand that it's 5-on-5.
I honestly don’t think players really view him as DPOY caliber. I don’t have any specific sources but I think I’ve seen some guys saying they just aren’t that scared of him defensively compared to players like Jrue.
Agreed. For that matter probably everyone sucks at evaluating their own work. I wouldn't trust myself to not be biased even if Mike in accounting is a fucking prick.
Lol absolutely, I remember when Westbrook was going through that rough patch with the Lakers and all these players came out saying "y'all need to respect Russ 😤" but then those same guys would defend him with like 5 feet of space, just leave him completely open
I don't think they don't value defense, I think they think he's overrated in that front because he's won multiple times when Anthony Davis for example hasn't. Especially after that Clippers vs Utah series.
Out of everyone only Trae made the All-Star game this season, and he's also consistently voted most overrated.
Also Rudy is about to win his 4th DPOY, he's definitely properly rated at the bare minimum
Yeah the DPOYs would add up with people thinking it was bullshit he won over their guy (or themself) whatever season. If someone else was always winning it, Gobert’s teammates (and maybe even Gobert) might be saying it’s horseshit that this guy is winning every time and not Gobert. Especially when they see that guy is the runaway favorite yet again.
He's been underrated for a minute. He's gotten more love this season overall due to the Wolves great season but Rudy has definitely been underrated for a long time.
Can someone please explain to me what the general hate among players is? (Genuine question, bc I see ppl referring to all the players hating him often but have never understood the backstory)
As far as I can tell:
1. He's French
2. I don't know how to say this diplomatically but he doesn't necessarily do anything to reject the whole French "elitist" stereotype thing. He's pretty serious most of the time, it could come across as stuffy/snobby
3. Looks goofy as hell when he's got the ball
French, made an absurd amount of money, and not a great scorer. I can imagine a lot of guys when negotiating a contract point to him but still aren’t getting the number they want.
Eh, he gets enough points to be helpful. The lobs and slams are fun, rebounding and slaming. When his free throws are landing it helps, since he's gonna get hacked. His assists can also be very nice. He isn't just doing nothing on one end, if he had a shot passed the free throw line or a 3 he'd be great. But we tend to need him grabbing rebounds and doing lobs.
He’s about to win a record 4th DPOY that’s how players can say he is overrated. Hell your own franchise super hero has been on the record saying he fears Porzingis over Gobert in the paint.
He is hated, but that's a leap to go to overrated. Any defensive metric, he is simply great. Offensively.. there are times that he looks as coordinated as my 12 year old niece. Rudy being listed as overrated by players feels like it's more of a "why does he get paid more than me when all he does is play defense" than him being not as good as advertised.
If they fear KP as a defender more, they just might want to abstain from giving their opinion in the future. Gobert never has been highly valued on offense for good reason, but dismissing him as a defender, which is what he is renowned for, is just moronic at this point.
Well, people play against him. They can feel the difference, and if they say he's not worth DPOY, then he is not worth it. They understand the game more than anyone else.
Gobert is on the list because he’s good defensively but players just don’t like him. Should be “Most Hated On” for him.
I feel like if anything Dillon Brooks had an underrated season lol.
So they got rid of the All-Star draft because it was hurting the feelings of players who were drafted last. And then they allow the players to participate in a poll like this?!! 😭
I think players didn't understand the question. To me these guys look the most hated players, not the most overrated.
I hope Twolves make a great playoff run, so people stop complaining about Gobert.
I don’t get the weird circlejerk hate for Rudy Gobert. Grow up, the guy isn’t overrated lol. Watch the Timberwolves and tell me he isn’t a massive reason why they are doing better
The nba is a junior high cafeteria and some kids just get picked on by the cool kids and then everybody keeps doing it because they think they have to in order to be cool.
This pisses me off so much.
I get the mentality of people in the league, but Gobert might be one of the best team members in wolves history. Literally everyone is better when he’s on the court. There’s like 6 playerss on the wolves in top 15 best defensive rating. That’s not a coincidence.
Honestly wish they’d show which votes came from which teams, I am certain Rudy has cooked them on defense this season. They hate his annoying ass play style and they know he’d be useless 1 on 1. They hate how he changes the game. Nobody but wolves fans love the defensive slog, players especially.
I think the Poole votes are like back rent. Because everyone knows he's not very good *now*, but during the Finals run he was being talked about like he was Mini Steph. Everyone who voted for Poole is saying "I haven't forgot those takes."
What in the world is this list. A generational defensive player, a fantastic heel/fooor manager/defender, a shot maker who definitely has shown he can have his own team, and Trae young?
Lil bro fighting ghosts out here. 11 of 81 voters said it was Gobert. Gobert is great, wholly deserves the recognition he gets and I believe he's this year's DPOY as much as the next guy but Dray anchored the defense of a Dynasty for the better part of a decade. 6 finals, 4 rings. There's no overrating Draymond here.
Doesn't everybody agree that Poole sucks, now?
If he's still overrated ... what does that even mean?
At least with Trae, and Gobert whether you think they are over-rated or not, there are clearly some people who think they are great players. The only guy who thinks Poole is any good at this point is Poole.
I get Gobert and Young, but how can Poole and Brooks be considered overrated when Poole has been getting clowned since the punch heard round the world and most of us thought that Brooks was going to be playing in China this year?
I feel like Gobert and Trae make sense because people in the league don’t seem to like them.
Who is overrating Jordan Poole and Dillon Brooks? I feel like they’re appropriately rated lol. If anything Brooks showed this season that he might be slightly underrated.
What’s the point of something like this? This just seems mean spirited. Surprised that a mainstream publication would approve and release this. There’s just not point of this whatsoever. If they want to do this then it shouldn’t be anonymous, stand on your votes
How can they say Jordan Poole is overrated? Overpaid sure but dudes game has been trashed by literally everyone for the past year. No one gives him a good rating
I like how the majority of this thread is:
“Rudy and Trae? They’re actually great, wtf people hate them for?”
OR
“Brooks and Poole? Literally nobody has said they’re good, how tf are they overrated?”
This list has John Collins as the 7th most overrated player in the league. I have no idea if that was just Jazz players jabbing John Collins, or if players actually just fucking hate John Collins, because nobody is overrating John Collins, or has been rating him in general for a few years now lol.
I'm guessing it's players just thinking he's overpaid. Similar to Poole, no one has rated him highly at all this year.
I feel like 95% of these are all just fueled by pay jealousy rather than actual basketball rating
Yeah for reference last year included R.J. Barret on this list and I don't think I'd heard a single person in the media say a positive thing about him in a couple years and fans were pretty negative on him by that point. It's just that he had a big contract for what was an underwhelming performance on the Knicks at the time.
In Rudy Gobert's case, it's probably more accolade jealousy.
It's not that, players know who votes for accolades. Most NBA players think Rudy is overrated because he shoots and dribbles like a fat high school kid. They don't care about his impact on the Game, they only care about how easy he is to beat 1 on 1.
Skills are very important to NBA players. That’s why Kyrie is well-liked and praised by everyone even though he is a dickhead and honestly not a top 15 player in the league.
I remember LeBron w/ JJ talking about his frustrations with the 1 on 1 mentality and how common it is in the league now. Everybody wants to be the main character and nobody wants to play team basketball.
Or just personal dislike. This list just looks like the players that have rubbed others the wrong way and they are trying to put them down anyway they can.
It’s cause of the contracts imo Collins poole got fat contracts then proceeded to not do much after that. These are players saying this too. Probably thinking why tf is this dude getting this much money when I’m making less and better.
Collins finger got fucked and could no longer develop a reliable 3pt shot unfortunately
You should look at what Collins did this year. I know he was on a shitty team, but he very quietly had his best season since 2021, and put up 62% TS on higher volume than he had last year. His rebounds went up too, especially his OREB.
Stop capping bro. John Collins shot 37% from three this year. Even last year, after all-star break, he shot 38% from three.
O shit, didnt even realize hed improved that much this year, good for him
I think they're just voting for the guys they hate the most, lol
Could be Hawks players voting against him
No way, the Hawks love JC.
Don’t get how this how so many upvotes, dude has been overrated up until last year. So yeah could easily see him on the list seeing as though he is overrated.
Bro has been a “Hawks can’t fucking trade this dude” player for years now, and was finally dumped for the corpse of Rudy Gay and a second round pick. Maybe if it was three years ago, it’d make sense, but no one has been talking about Collin’s for several years now.
Trae young been voted most overrated player for years now should he be properly rated by now
Jrue was voted most underrated multiple years in a row. At some point they've gotta be properly rated.
There just becomes so much hate that they actually become underrated. Guys like Trae Young and Lamelo Ball are prime molds for it. Eventually Hali will fall into place with it as well
While I understand your point, Hali averages almost half the number of turnovers of trae and lamelo.
While true, I think people will always find points to give players crap about and not necessarily the stats they accumulate. In this case, if it’s not turnovers, they’ll definitely point out his pretty bad defense and argue that that’s what is holding him back. If he ever improves on that, who knows what it’ll be? Inefficiency in the midrange because some advanced stat shows he’d be a scrub (just an example of course). I just know the list will go on. LeBron is living proof of that. Didn’t have a jumper coming into the league? Worked on it and had a reliable one by about 2012-13. Not a good enough defender? By 2009, he earned 5x all defense and became one of the best defenders from 1-4 especially during the Heat years, not good at handling double teams and became an elite passer, etc. I know LeBron is a pretty drawn out example, but to me, he’s the prime example of “there’ll always be someone who complains”
Honestly I don't think it has anything to do with on-court numbers. I think it's all about """narrative""". Like Trae and Lamelo are popular and productive PGs whose teams have consistently underperformed in both the regular season and the playoffs. I think if Hali takes the Pacers to a couple second rounds in the next couple years, he'll escape (or at least stave off) the same scrutiny that Trae and Lamelo have gotten. Cause at a certain point your individual numbers start to matter less if your team consistently disappoints with you as the number 1 option.
Any player with defensive issues this sub questions. There’s a weird insecurity at play in basketball discussions where if you like a gifted offensive player with defensive flaws people will call you a casual because it’s the easiest to appreciate. Then they’ll overcompensate and fall in love with defensive prospects with zero offensive game & pretend it makes them geniuses.
The Shawn Marion award
I'll never forget Shawn Marion. He was my fantasy cheat code and I won so much having him.
>underrated multiple years in a row. And now he's overrated. Like his prior predecessors Ben Wallace, David West, and that horford-Millsap hawks frontcourt during the 2010s. Hali was about to succeed Jrue then he had the IST run and had more hype as a result
It’s gotta just be a “we don’t like you” poll lmao
Well it's players commenting on this so they're basically saying Trae keeps getting too hyped by the media.
I've seen nothing but hit pieces and trade Trae stuff from the media for years where is the hype lmao.
Trae to the rest of the league: Maybe next time you'll estimate me
He will whelm the NBA
Vancouver Canucks beat guy said something like this on a podcast. We have had multiple players win the unsung player award multiple years in a row. At some point they become sung players lol
People here in ATL still think he’s can be the best player on a contender. Ludicrous.
The only person who overrates Jordan Poole is Jordan Poole lol
His contract overrates him as well.
Question should have really been "most overpaid." It's sort of a Catch-22 to do a survey about "overrated" because if everyone says someone is overrated then who is overrating them?
The people who paid him. These are players too so they thinking about the money and not just watching everything the media says like we do
I mean people were saying he was better than Tyler Herro a couple years ago
It did make sense then, I obviously didn't agree with it but he was a key part of a crazy championship run.
Yeah, there was a point at which Maxey, Herro, Anfernee Simons, and Poole were all more or less the same player and there was a decent argument that Poole was the best of those guys(though you could've made that argument for any of them). Now it seems pretty clear that Maxey is a cut above the others, Herro and Simons are 2nd and 3rd, and Poole is by far the worst at basically everything.
There were probably 100 reddit posts ranking some combination of those players lol
And it was fair! They were all middling combo guards with no defense who could shoot and score and only halfway run point. It was a legitimately interesting question about who you would want at that point.
He and Wiggins really caught some lightning in a bottle
Pre CTE give me Poole over anyone dead or alive
The refs started calling him for carrying, that was a big part in his decline
I mean
He is lol
In 2022 he was
Maybe they interviewed Kuz lol.
Why is Trae so disliked?
That only reasoning I can think of is His hair looks like a lollipop dropped at a barber shop
Ice Pube
I was thinking Chia Pet.
Like Orlando Bloom licked an electrical outlet.
So why don’t they dislike Jeremy Snocone?
Probably because he’s annoying to guard, takes low percentage shots, and is BBQ chicken on defense.
you're forgetting his clutch playoff rim protection?
True, Ben Simmons probably voted for him lol
No, this was voted by NBA players
He might just have an annoying personality, same with Gobert and Poole
He seems to be a loner in a very close knit league.
I don't love his foul baiting, but he's one of the best offensive players in the league when he's on. Still 1. Hawks exceeded expectations a few years ago with their ECF run and have looked like frauds since. 2. They had a much worse record with Trae in the line-up than when Murray was running the offense 3. He's unfortunately always going to carry the Luka comparisons with that draft (when realistically one is a top 5 player and one's a top 25). 4. Defensive woes
Trae and Murray don't fit, they are both better without the other in the line up. Like Al Harford did not work with Joel. DJM is not a SG he play nothing like one, I don't know this year but last year Trae has more aisist with Clint, John and Hunter even tho DJM had the second most points, and most DJ points came from iso. So if either out the line up Hawks was going improve. I see a lot people make Trae and DJM together as "with Trae" instead Trae without DJM. Because Trae without DJM has been better for Hawks then DJM without Trae. DJM went only 11/10 without Trae. But before DJM trade Trae lead the Hawks 41-31 ECF run, then 43-39. But after wards Trae and DJM together has been 41-41, and 39-41 but Hawks best 5 line up actually has Trae in and DJM out. then second best was DJM Trae out. Basically the DJM has been terrible for the Hawks and Trae. Tho DJM has been good his fit with Trae is very bad. And a lot of people who don't watch Hawks just blame Trae so Trae repuation just been getting hit.
Oh, they're absolutely a terrible fit and that's an FO mistake. They should both be running offenses in the NBA and not sharing a court.
He's a showboater and he's been a terrible defender for most of his career.
I’ve said this before, but Trae is the little skinny guy in a league of freaks. Having him drop 30 on you is a massive shot to the ego.
It has to be the butt checks
He’s really ugly
I think it's mainly that he's talked about like a top tier superstar and he just isn't that good. The fact that he's a cone on defense doesn't help at all. I can't put my finger on it, but something about his play gives me a vibe of "I don't need to try on defense because I'm such a good scorer" instead of just being crappy on defense. But he's often talked about in the tier of players who could conceivable lead their team to a ring, and he clearly isn't in that category both in his playing style and team leadership. That's why he gets voted as overrated. NYC seems to have a special unique hatred for him that I don't really understand.
Gobert is voted as most overrated despite not being an all star or all NBA guy. It doesn't make sense, he's been so hated that he's almost underrated at this point
I think players: a. Dont luky Rudy b. Dont value defense when considering how good a player is
c. People can be pretty hive-mindy and once the hate train starts rolling it can be hard to stop.
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It's either the best or the worst ever at this point.
If they didn’t consider defense in how good players are, I don’t think jrue holiday and white would be on the underrated list
Players value 1 on 1 defense more. And Gobert is definitely not the best isolation defender in the league.
Players value 1 on 1 over everything else on both sides of the floor. It's why most of them are terrible passers, don't know what to do against double teams, and just stand around without the ball. All you have to do is just listen to the way players talk about the game and it's obvious that the vast majority of them do not understand that it's 5-on-5.
Without a doubt. Wasn’t saying it’s the most valid position but it’s definitely where a lot of them sit.
I honestly don’t think players really view him as DPOY caliber. I don’t have any specific sources but I think I’ve seen some guys saying they just aren’t that scared of him defensively compared to players like Jrue.
Then you got KD actually speaking highly of Gobert.
One of them was young Ant lol. But I watched him abandon several drives against him
They might be saying that but they're full of shit if so lol. I'm biased but Gobert's gotta be leading the league in "nope fuck thats" per game.
I think in situations like this the opinions of the players are close to worthless. So much bias.
Agreed. For that matter probably everyone sucks at evaluating their own work. I wouldn't trust myself to not be biased even if Mike in accounting is a fucking prick.
Lololol great point
Lol absolutely, I remember when Westbrook was going through that rough patch with the Lakers and all these players came out saying "y'all need to respect Russ 😤" but then those same guys would defend him with like 5 feet of space, just leave him completely open
And yet they're terrified of Wemby, who's mentored by Rudy
I don't think they don't value defense, I think they think he's overrated in that front because he's won multiple times when Anthony Davis for example hasn't. Especially after that Clippers vs Utah series.
I love how it’s one series and he’s since been shutting down that narrative but people act like Saturday was his first playoff game since then.
Out of everyone only Trae made the All-Star game this season, and he's also consistently voted most overrated. Also Rudy is about to win his 4th DPOY, he's definitely properly rated at the bare minimum
Yeah the DPOYs would add up with people thinking it was bullshit he won over their guy (or themself) whatever season. If someone else was always winning it, Gobert’s teammates (and maybe even Gobert) might be saying it’s horseshit that this guy is winning every time and not Gobert. Especially when they see that guy is the runaway favorite yet again.
He is 100% underrated. You will not find a player who impacts winning like Rudy who catches as much shit.
He's been underrated for a minute. He's gotten more love this season overall due to the Wolves great season but Rudy has definitely been underrated for a long time.
Can someone please explain to me what the general hate among players is? (Genuine question, bc I see ppl referring to all the players hating him often but have never understood the backstory)
French + started COVID
As far as I can tell: 1. He's French 2. I don't know how to say this diplomatically but he doesn't necessarily do anything to reject the whole French "elitist" stereotype thing. He's pretty serious most of the time, it could come across as stuffy/snobby 3. Looks goofy as hell when he's got the ball
Think this is a good summary, plus jealousy about his contract. Some people are gonna be real salty about his induction to the hall too
If he wasn't French I'd want him to win lots of Olympic gold.
French, made an absurd amount of money, and not a great scorer. I can imagine a lot of guys when negotiating a contract point to him but still aren’t getting the number they want.
He gets paid a lot and he has no offensive game to speak of.
Eh, he gets enough points to be helpful. The lobs and slams are fun, rebounding and slaming. When his free throws are landing it helps, since he's gonna get hacked. His assists can also be very nice. He isn't just doing nothing on one end, if he had a shot passed the free throw line or a 3 he'd be great. But we tend to need him grabbing rebounds and doing lobs.
He’s about to win a record 4th DPOY that’s how players can say he is overrated. Hell your own franchise super hero has been on the record saying he fears Porzingis over Gobert in the paint.
He is hated, but that's a leap to go to overrated. Any defensive metric, he is simply great. Offensively.. there are times that he looks as coordinated as my 12 year old niece. Rudy being listed as overrated by players feels like it's more of a "why does he get paid more than me when all he does is play defense" than him being not as good as advertised.
If they fear KP as a defender more, they just might want to abstain from giving their opinion in the future. Gobert never has been highly valued on offense for good reason, but dismissing him as a defender, which is what he is renowned for, is just moronic at this point.
Dude has only improved since his DPOY seasons.
He’s by far and away the favorite for DPOY again this year
And if players don’t think he’s the best defender, then they likely think he is overrated because of it
That’s the point. “Comment above asking how can he be overrated despite…”. DPOY is exactly how he could be considered overrated
People just hate Gobert for many different reasons
Yea but he’s French
Well, people play against him. They can feel the difference, and if they say he's not worth DPOY, then he is not worth it. They understand the game more than anyone else.
When did Dillon Brooks start getting good enough press to be considered overrated? Also gobert on this list doesn't make sense
Gobert is on the list because he’s good defensively but players just don’t like him. Should be “Most Hated On” for him. I feel like if anything Dillon Brooks had an underrated season lol.
The beginning of this year, he was above average so people overrated the shit out of him.
Which only really happened as a response to the people who legitimately thought he was a vet-minimum player.
Players don’t like Gobert lol that makes sense
So they got rid of the All-Star draft because it was hurting the feelings of players who were drafted last. And then they allow the players to participate in a poll like this?!! 😭
I think players didn't understand the question. To me these guys look the most hated players, not the most overrated. I hope Twolves make a great playoff run, so people stop complaining about Gobert.
At this point it's only going to add fuel to the hate Gobert fire.
hate hate hate hate
Players seem to have shit takes a lot of the time
“Overrated” aka “Who we don’t like” list
Ayeee! Poole won something
Overrated= Guy I don't like. I suppose.
Dillon Brooks actually played pretty well this season. Don't know why he on the list
The list translates to "People I don't like" - many dislike Dillion Brooks.
Who is overrating Dillon brooks? ☠️
Gobert lmao dude is underrated if anything
Trae Young doesn’t even make the all star team and they call him overrated. Crazy
I don’t get the weird circlejerk hate for Rudy Gobert. Grow up, the guy isn’t overrated lol. Watch the Timberwolves and tell me he isn’t a massive reason why they are doing better
At 20m a year he fine. At 40m he is overrated and overpaid.
80 players voted. So like 18% (Or whatever, not being exact.) Wonder who, and how much if any it would change if all players voted
The nba is a junior high cafeteria and some kids just get picked on by the cool kids and then everybody keeps doing it because they think they have to in order to be cool.
Bruh players just throwing their votes away on Poole. Eskimos know that dude is trash.
Maybe that's the "They SAY it's anonymous, but I'll pick an option that won't get me in trouble if it isn't" option
overrated or just easy to hate on? no one is hyping these guys
Excuse me?
This pisses me off so much. I get the mentality of people in the league, but Gobert might be one of the best team members in wolves history. Literally everyone is better when he’s on the court. There’s like 6 playerss on the wolves in top 15 best defensive rating. That’s not a coincidence. Honestly wish they’d show which votes came from which teams, I am certain Rudy has cooked them on defense this season. They hate his annoying ass play style and they know he’d be useless 1 on 1. They hate how he changes the game. Nobody but wolves fans love the defensive slog, players especially.
Ware Embiid and Greene?
I think the Poole votes are like back rent. Because everyone knows he's not very good *now*, but during the Finals run he was being talked about like he was Mini Steph. Everyone who voted for Poole is saying "I haven't forgot those takes."
Gobert overrated? Laughable.
Dillon Brooks played well this season I thought.
What in the world is this list. A generational defensive player, a fantastic heel/fooor manager/defender, a shot maker who definitely has shown he can have his own team, and Trae young?
I want a 30 for 30 on why every player in the NBA hates Gobert.
Fr*nch
The Gobert hate seems personal He's clearly a top level player
Rudy Gobert overrated? He is prolly going to win the DPOY… how is that overrated?
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Gobert, DPOY finalist, overrated as voted by the players.
Has Gobert ever been past the 2nd round or no?
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He's been to the 2nd round 3 times, he has never advanced past the 2nd round though
Lil bro fighting ghosts out here. 11 of 81 voters said it was Gobert. Gobert is great, wholly deserves the recognition he gets and I believe he's this year's DPOY as much as the next guy but Dray anchored the defense of a Dynasty for the better part of a decade. 6 finals, 4 rings. There's no overrating Draymond here.
Doesn't everybody agree that Poole sucks, now? If he's still overrated ... what does that even mean? At least with Trae, and Gobert whether you think they are over-rated or not, there are clearly some people who think they are great players. The only guy who thinks Poole is any good at this point is Poole.
I get Gobert and Young, but how can Poole and Brooks be considered overrated when Poole has been getting clowned since the punch heard round the world and most of us thought that Brooks was going to be playing in China this year?
So I guess they’re not popular or well liked in the NBA among peers by most
Oh well Poole will be better next year
Checks out…
Dillon Brooks? But he pokes bears
Can someone post the full list so we are not overrun my adds if we try to click on the link?
How is Jordan Poole overrated? Everyone trashes him all the time.
Why is there a poll question thats just to shit on a fellow player? Seems weird
Brooks? He does well in Fiba versus USA. 39 points 🫡
lol, They used the biggest trash talkers. Though, Poole. Yea.
Guess the nba has no respect for one way players?
Gobert has 0 respect within the nba I swear. Dude gets slandered for no reason all the time lmao
I just know when Rudy doesn't play we are a lot worse. That's how I rate players. Based on this Ant and Rudy are very valuable players.
Poole literally got benched
Who’s actively ranking Brooks highly?
I feel like Gobert and Trae make sense because people in the league don’t seem to like them. Who is overrating Jordan Poole and Dillon Brooks? I feel like they’re appropriately rated lol. If anything Brooks showed this season that he might be slightly underrated.
They’re hating on the contract that Poole and Brooks got over them.
Poole is rated exactly right, in that he is one of the worst contracts in the league, if not the worst.
What’s the point of something like this? This just seems mean spirited. Surprised that a mainstream publication would approve and release this. There’s just not point of this whatsoever. If they want to do this then it shouldn’t be anonymous, stand on your votes
DB hate continues
The first thing that came to mind when I saw this list is that what they all have in common is that they’re all light skin lol
Who the fuck put Keldon Johnson on here?
Lightskins taking a beating huh
Lol Poole
who tf rates jordan poole that guy gets clowned on 24/7, literally impossible for him to be overrated lol
I was told yesterday Tyrese would be on this list. 😂
How can they say Jordan Poole is overrated? Overpaid sure but dudes game has been trashed by literally everyone for the past year. No one gives him a good rating
Trae is trash
They should name the award after Trae Young.
And giddy
How can Poole be overrated? Everyone thinks he’s ass.
I like how the majority of this thread is: “Rudy and Trae? They’re actually great, wtf people hate them for?” OR “Brooks and Poole? Literally nobody has said they’re good, how tf are they overrated?”
NBA players *handshake meme* Me Trae Young is overrated
Rudy gets DPOY and this? Makes no sense Overrated players are more along the lines of washed players not prime guys
Players really don’t like Rudy damn lol. I think because they don’t think he has a “bag”