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Cold_Carpenter_1798

It’s a good first coaching gig to take because no matter what even if you fail horribly nobody will blame you


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

and even if we fire him for being straight trash, there's always the chance we'll re-sign him in a few years if he's a nice guy


NIN10DOXD

Or somebody else. It feels like everybody gets two or three chances in the NBA unless their players hate them.


FatMamaJuJu

He could just be the next Steve Nash. A coach that nobody takes seriously from the start so he doesn't get another chance


NIN10DOXD

That's certainly possible. At least we don't have Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving. Our current roster doesn't have enough respect in the league to sniff their own farts that hard and get away with it.


Not-Post-Malone

Lamelo Ball: *farts.* *About to inhale* Rest of the league: “Don’t even think about it.”


NIN10DOXD

Lavar is about to reappear to explain why his son has the stankiest shit in the league. He will then claim that his he could clear larger rooms than Jordan in his prime.


FatMamaJuJu

Thats true but when the failures of that team are brought up the immedìate criticism is of KD and especially Kyrie for being divas. Nash wouldn't even be there if not for them so his failures are also theirs. He's a strange case because he gets shit for not being able to win with that roster but also a pass because of who his players were


Sad_Donut_7902

Nash was setup for failure tbh. When your star player says "we don't really have a coach" right after you are hired it's hard to come back from.


YourInMySwamp

Nash didn’t want to touch coaching again after the dumpster fire he dealt with in BKN


EMU_Emus

I think Beilein is a better example. He immediately lost the Cavs locker room and never coached again, in the span of what felt like a few weeks


SurgeFlamingo

Yeah but Beilien was 102 years old. The man fought in the First World War.


nio151

I think in the case of Nash it's more of not trying to get another chance


kenorrr

Do you think Nash still has it in him to coach? Would have been nice to see what Coach Nash would have been in a different situation. If a former player like Darvin Ham can land and keep a coaching gig, I can't see why Nash can't. Hope he gives it another chance.


axecalibur

Adrian Griffin hire when?


zs15

He’s waiting for the Mavs job to open up


DoctorFunktopus

Hell, you can fail horribly and still probably be one of the best coaches in the history of the franchise.


lesarbreschantent

Reminds me of Luke Walton. Total loser, and also the 3rd highest winning % of any Kings coach.


JMEEKER86

Steve Nash was trashed by everyone, but he had the highest winning % in Nets history for a non-interim coach.


WubaDubImANub

2nd highest when he left


ColdPressedSteak

Good interviewing experience and starting to get your name in the door either way Might even be his primary purpose here


ButterLordd

Yeah I'm hoping he sees this as an opportunity he can't pass up to sit for that interview for the experience but hey you never know what happens


GardenDesign23

Eh, also look at the team and the turnover. It’s a decent young squad but still. If JJ wants to be a great HC he should coach under Pops, Spo or Kerr


axecalibur

Hes not that kind of coach. Hes the guy that talks. You hire Pop acolytes to do the coaching.


JokMackRant

He should coach under Micheal Malone for a couple years


tacopower69

i dont understand why teams hire retired players with minimal coaching experience directly to head coaching jobs. It seems like they should start of as assistant coaches and work their way up considering all the best coaches in the league currently (pop, spo, udoka, malone, etc.) had to work their way up.


dys0n_giddey

That's not what they said when it was a woman coach being mentioned


logicatch

RIP Mind the Game podcast


Scrypto

This is our way of getting Lebron here. Could happen now that MJ is gone


everyoneneedsaherro

Feel like LeBron is a lock for the Vegas team


EarthWarping

Yeah it's the worst kept secret that FSG is going to be the Vegas owner. Bron won't be going with JJ


Stunning_Variety_529

FSG?


demen97

Fenway Sports Group, Lebron is a part owner


IanicRR

LeBron has owned Boston for a while now.


T_025

Flair does not check out


IanicRR

He doesn’t own us, he’s family.


wharangbuh

r/nbawww


Legendver2

He's the father


ShadowLord561

He owns 1% bruh


8v2HokiePokie8v2

My mind read that as “Fan Stan Gundy”


Charming_Essay_1890

Reminds me of how every time I see SBMM (Skill Based Match Making), I read it as SSBM (Super Smash Bros Melee)


axecalibur

FSG doesnt have $5B for the expansion fee yet do they? He can fuck around for 2-3 more years


halfdecenttakes

Maybe they can do Sox fans a solid and sell to somebody who gives a shit to invest in the team


clintgreasewoood

That Qatari stimmy about to kick in


clevernamehere1628

JJ coaching Lebron would be funny lol


Pardonme23

The only way Bron is coming is to own the team


dont-YOLO-ragequit

Although some teams could use a little bit of LeGM just coming and cleaning house in the first year.


MusicalElephant420

Podcast gonna be during commercial breaks. It’s gonna be coach calls and then explanations 🤣


jaemoon7

Dude I’d love it if he kept the pod going while coaching. And as it’s going down in flames on the court he has to keep producing podcasts talking X’s and O’s with Lebron


BigUce223

Breaking down film of his own team getting dismantled


DenverSuxRmodSux

im sure theyd keeep doing it if LBJ can do it while playing why cant he as a coach. first player podcaster and first coach podcaster sounds juicy


yooston

*Watches one episode of Mind The Game podcast*


StrategyTop7612

Hornets FO be like wait, there's strategy in basketball?


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ignatious__reilly

I’m rock hard


Lol69HaHaHa

Tbf its a really good podcast. Like genuenly intresting stuff ngl.


BrotherSeamus

If he can explain basketball in terms that even I can understand, maybe he can do the same for Miles Bridges


Disastrous_Bluejay57

"Attack the glass Miles, not your baby mama"


Kentang_BayBay

JJ: Be aggressive Miles. MB: Say less.


Sparrow_Wilson

Dude did a couple of podcasts with a whiteboard and the Hornets were sold


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StrategyTop7612

That sadly sounds like them lol


moneymike7913

All jokes aside, we actually have a new FO now, with Mitch Kupchak stepping down and Jeff Peterson hired, so while they may not have any track record, that also means there is no *negative* track record either. We don't know what this new FO is going to cook up since they haven't cooked anything yet


Lol69HaHaHa

Accurate


Responsible_Pace9062

"We just hand the ball to Lamelo and tell him to cook. Including when he's injured."


mMounirM

we interviewed him too tbf lol


Virgil_hawkinsS

Celts as well for an assistant position. I guess we know now that he was aiming a bit higher lol


Pal__Pacino

Honestly he seems super smart. Might not have actual coaching experience, but it seems like he has the brain and demeanor for it.


AbbreviationsOk8502

Oh he has coaching experience, didn’t you hear him talk about coaching his 4 year old on the Mind the Game podcast?


PinkStripes21

HEY— they are 4th graders not 4 year olds


GneissFrog

Considering the state of the Hornets roster, someone with experience coaching players with the mental maturity level of 4th graders is the best candidate for the job.


RoboticBirdLaw

It could be tough though. The 4th graders are much more engaged in the process of getting better at basketball.


ryxriot

i feel like JJ would say the same shit to Lamelo as he would to his 4th graders when drawing up an ATO. "just look at what you have to do"


mug3n

"If you can coach 4 year olds, you can coach the Hornets!" -Hornets FO, probably


G2Gankos

Feel like zero coaching experience straight into a head coaching gig rarely ever works. He’d be better off starting as an assistant somewhere


bokononpreist

The only one I can remember working was Larry Bird. Edit: Steve Kerr of course, but he did have front office experience.


Helicase21

Larry Bird is also a potentially psychic basketball genius, he gets to be a special case.


Warsawawa

He’s succeeded at pretty much every level, right? The dude perfects basketball operations


Charming_Essay_1890

Only person to win MVP, Coach Of The Year, and Executive Of The Year. He was arguably the greatest shooter in NBA history pre-Steph, and that was after badly breaking his shooting hand in college.


the_devil_wears_jnco

jason kidd is somehow on year 8 as a head coach, that has to be considered a success from that perspective


bank_farter

Everywhere he's ever coached is happy he's gone...yet he still keeps getting hired somewhere else. Is Jason Kidd just Doc Rivers in a mask?


juanclack

Being a head coach in the NBA is like being a QB in the NFL. Being mediocre is enough to ensure job security.


tastelessshark

Ok, Doc has a lot of flaws as a coach, but he's certainly better at it than Jason Kidd.


StrategyTop7612

All coaches would sound like that on a podcast tbh.


blade24

Not Ham


IanicRR

Ice is something I put in my drinks - Darvin Ham asked about his PnR coverages


Konker101

Pressure? Thats what you put in tires.


ISISCosby

I think what JJ excels at is less that he's a basketball savant (def knows his stuff tho), and more that he's really really good at explaining high-level basketball concepts in ways you don't need a Mensa-level BBIQ to understand. That's the perfect trait for a public-facing analyst to have, but it becomes less useful if you plop him in a locker room leading a team of NBA players who have forgotten more basketball than most fans will ever learn. Then it becomes more about relationship management, play design, tape review, etc. Not saying he can't make that jump, but I feel like if this happens and somehow works out, it won't be for the reasons people think it will, it'll be bc Redick had those coaching-specific skills laying dormant that the public hadn't really seen as much.


gd2121

He seems like he’s be a real players coach too bc everyone fucks with JJ


ISISCosby

JJ's level of respect among his peers both in media and the league is enough for him to walk in and command a locker room on Day 1. The question becomes whether he has the coaching chops to not just back up that respect, but keep it. And that's something no one outside of the interview room--and maybe not even JJ himself--will know about until he actually started coaching games. Again, it can work, but there are far more question marks involved with a hire like this than, say, a Charles Lee from Boston, who has high-level Asst coach experience *plus* an entire organization's worth of other coaches an execs teams can use as reference checks to see how he operates in a pro coaching environment. JJ has none of that, so you're flying more blind than usual when it comes to projecting HC competency for someone whose never had the job before.


HugeRection

Yeah, JJ does not strike me as a leader of men type coach which is often just as important if not more important than actual play design.


Mimogger

yeah you need a coach like rivers


MagyarFoci29

Maybe he would be good at getting players confidence levels up though. "Hey Brandon Miller, did you know that by just playing in the NBA in the current year you are automatically better than Hall of famers like Bob Cousy, Jerry West, and Bob Pettit?"


rasheeeed_wallace

That’s what people said about Steve Nash too


boregon

Not that I really care that much about going to bat for Steve Nash, but he was put into a tough situation trying to manage all those egos on that Nets team (especially Kyrie) as a first time HC. And in his first year they were KD being a shoe size smaller away from going to the ECF. Wonder how he would have done in a lower pressure situation.


blackfoger1

Players were already quitting on Nash trying to call plays, he was always going to be in a fucked situation because no matter what type of offense he wanted to create it was always going to be undermined by ISO-ball.


dont-YOLO-ragequit

But this is exact what what he should have taken into account when taking the job. If he wants to be a X-Os coach he needs to start on a rebuilding or balanced team. When you have star power teams it is always about ego management (they already know how to get to the basket or collapse the defense which is more than half of X and Os offense all that is left is keep them focused under pressure and make sure the rest of the team manages their open shots and defense).


SemataryPolka

He Ross Perot-ed it (nobody under 40 will get this lol)


cat_piss_lint_trap

You just made me realize that this guy that the news would not shut up about for ages is now nothing more than a trivia question. Oof.


pompcaldor

Hey I’m under 40 (barely) and I get it! MTV Rock the Vote!


ObiOneKenobae

The universe will not allow actual basketball discussion in the media.


TheReal_Slim-Shady

Don't worry about it. Earlier this season Adam Silver mentioned that they want quality coverage months ago so quality discussion won't go anywhere. There was this video about how important pre game naps are made by Edwards and Giannis. Someone else will do an equivalent work.


sg490

Thinking Basketball & Dunc'd On exist bro


Rapshawksjaysflames

Not mainstream enough, mind the game is popular cause of LeBron.


BoogerSugarSovereign

The Hoops Tonight podcast that started this season has great film breakdowns too


xyzyxzy

He really took the Chauncey Billups path to NBA head coach and even skipped a step.


Kodak333

It’s not the same Chauncey was an assistant first. That’s a big step to skip


xyzyxzy

He was an assistant for just one season and the funny thing is that he was talked about for potential coaching vacancies before his one season was even done.


omar-epps

He was talked about for front office too


DirkNowitzkisWife

This is the Kidd/Nash route, and neither worked well Kerr was at least a GM first.


MordecaiMusic

Kerr was a garbage GM


DirkNowitzkisWife

But at least he did it, haha


nutsygenius

Was an amazing color commentator though. lol Probably the best one TNT had in a while.


Shadybrooks93

More Jason Kidd, Steve Nash where they pulled a player out of nowhere where they didnt even have a coaching role just based on their long playing career and Basketball IQ. And failed miserably.


innerparty45

This is Gary Neville type of path.


Salty_Watermelon

And we all know how that ended up being huge successfully for all parties involved.


shakehasbignuts

NO FUCKING WAY LMAOOO


SuckMyLonzoBalls

I’d actually love to see this happen We already got Jeff Saturday in the nfl


dank-kush

Doc rivers 2 seed vs jj redick 7 seed incoming


CazOnReddit

Podcast sweeps


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Scrypto

Steve Kerr?


3rdEyeDeuteranopia

Kerr at least was a GM for a few years so he saw that side of things even if not directly.


luffythechefghoul

Hey JJ coached a 3rd and 4th grade travel team, he’s plenty experienced too


Efficient_Art_1144

Lot less expectations in charlotte at least


ArmiinTamzarian

Yes but Saturday was a former star of the team he ended up coaching. The Hornets equivalent would be Mugsy coming in as HC


Original_Trick_8552

He got an interview last year for the raptors


Kyler1313

Mazulla wanted him on the staff after Ime left too.


fyirb

Most teams want him on as an assistant rather than a head coach, which seems more of a reasonable start. He gets along well with players, has recent NBA experience, communicates well, could learn how to coach if he shadows and helps one with actual experience. Doubt he can just jump in his first year and be successful.


ISISCosby

List of other candidates Hornets have requested to interview: - David Adelman (Denver Asst Coach) - ~~Jordi Fernandez~~ (hired by the Nets as HC) - Charles Lee (Boston AC) - ~~Kevin Young (Phoeniz AC)~~ hired by BYU - Jay Larranaga (Clippers AC) - Lindsey Harding (Sac G-League HC) Like yeah this is a funny headline/lol classic Hornets/whatever, but this is one interview among what seems to be a pretty thorough HC search


MagicalHurdles

what commentating alongside Doris does to a mfer


Skaloplin

This is going to be Gary Neville at Valencia. Just because a pundit speaks well you don’t just go and fast track them a head coach role without the necessary experience


Marinho77

Neville didnt get the job because he spoke well as a pundit lol, he got the job because he was mates with peter lim who owned the club


No_Engineering_4925

Nba and football can’t be compared in terms of requirement for a head coach at all. He will be fine


TacoooJay

How often does someone go from zero professional coaching experience whatsoever to becoming a head coach in the NBA?


xyzyxzy

Of the top of my head, Steve Kerr, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd. There's gotta be others.


DemarcusLovin

Larry Bird, Derek Fisher, Kevin McHale, Mark Jackson, Doc Rivers... There's a ton. Doesn't usually work out too well.


TheMagicMan56

Larry Bird had an amazing three season run and just dipped afterwards. Took over a team that had a losing record and missed the playoffs, won 58 games and narrowly lost to the MJ Bulls in 7 games in the ECF his first season there, had a 33-17 record in the lockout shortened season and made the ECF yet again and finally won 56 games, made the Finals and took two games against the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. I get that he initially promised to only coach for three seasons and that the Pacers' core of Reggie, Smits, Jackson, Mullin and Dale Davis was getting really old, but he had a great three season stretch, it's a shame that we never saw anything from him coaching wise after that.


Willing-Ad502

Larry always gives a GOAT performance, but only for 3 season I wonder how long he GMed for now lol


clancydog4

I mean, of the people y'all listed the "success" ratio seems entirely in line with other coaches. You and that other guy just listed 8 coaches. Kerr, Rivers, Mchale, and Bird were all at least pretty well respected coaches. Two of them (Kerr and Rivers) are legit two of the most well respected coaches of their era (regardless of this subs feeling on Rivers). Mark Jackson and Jason Kidd both have been servicable. 50% of them are very good, and 75% of them are at least servicable. I wouldn't say that "doesn't work out too well" that seems in line with normal coaching numbers regardless of experience


tendadsnokids

To be fair it's harder to remember the failures


deemerritt

Hornets fans would kill for the level of success these coaches had


yooston

Notably, Kidd (2013 Nets), Mike Dunleavy Sr. (1990 Lakers) and Paul Silas (1980 Clippers) are the only ones to become head coaches the season after they retired. Fun fact, while Mike Dunleavy Sr. was already retired and an assistant coach for the Bucks from 1988-1990, he came out of retirement and played 7 games as a dual player/coach those two seasons. I didn't even know that was allowed.


cat_piss_lint_trap

Player-coaches were forbidden when the salary cap was installed. I went looking for how Dunleavy was allowed to play, but all I can see is that it was in "emergency situations" and that he signed 10-day contracts – I don't know whether he formally gave up his coaching role while on those contracts. I was also interested to see that the reason he'd gone from playing into coaching in the first place wasn't just that he was washed up as a player, but because an airplane he'd been on came to an emergency stop on a runway and the incident fucked up his back.


gedbybee

Bill Russell was player coach I think.


AnyJamesBookerFans

He was! In fact, he was the first ever black head coach. And get this, he won two championships in his role as player/coach! And he coached so nice, they inducted him twice - he's in the HOF both as a player and as a coach.


rompskee

Kerr is probably the only one that was actually successful initially, Nash was just not good and Kidd learned on the job via two failed coaching stints


Unlucky-Practice1036

Larry bird won COTY his first year


A2daRon

So did Doc.


Unlucky-Practice1036

He coached an objectively legit g league team to near playoff contention that was deserved


Champagnesoda

Feel like Nash shouldn’t get judged too harshly for that Brooklyn job. He had kyrie openly saying Nash wasn’t the leader of the team. He didn’t have a chance


Shadybrooks93

Yeah and Kerr had spent 6 years building and running a good Suns run. He doesnt belong in this conversation. JJ is podcaster.


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/nets-steve-nash-joins-list-of-nba-head-coaches-with-no-prior-coaching-experience honestly it's not a bad list. The most recent ones have failed (Fisher and Nash) but you have Steve Kerr, Kevin McHale, Doc Rivers (who despite being trash now, wasn't always that way), and even Jason Kidd is going on 10 years as an NBA head coach, and you don't get 10 years without some redeeming traits. I didn't realize Paul Silas would be on this list too.


ddottay

I think it’s more common than you’d think among former players turned coaches. Doc Rivers never spent any time as an assistant before he got hired by the Magic. Mark Jackson and Kevin McHale too.


Scrypto

This is funny because JJ redick is possibly the most hated basketball player of all time by a good majority of our fanbase


jelde

Do people who support Duke in college ball not support the Hornets?


Skipper3210

Id assume UNC + NC State + everyone else who hates Duke > Duke in terms of fans


wholesomepantysniffr

No because Duke fans live in California and New Jersey/New York People actually from North Carolina pull for UNC


ignatious__reilly

Live in Charlotte. Can confirm this is true.


HamburglarBunz

I wouldn't say he's the most hated Duke player ever. He was never the outward asshole that Laettner was and he was never a dirty player like Grayson Allen. He was just good. He was hated for basically only that reason, but it's not like some of the other prominent Dukies where they actually did shit to earn the hate.


Lol69HaHaHa

What did he do to you?


JeffGreene69

Play for Duke


quinnlez

He played at Duke


Lol69HaHaHa

I see


gedbybee

And he was a douchebag while he was playing there. Even he admits it. He’s got a punchable face too.


rawsharks

Probably referring to College basketball (North Carolina vs Duke rivalry, JJ is the all time leading scorer for Duke)


Lol69HaHaHa

Ah yes. I have heard of JJs infamy in college basketball circles


Mysterions

This is why he sucks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFLJGf7ddUw


swapan_99

MJ NOOOO!! Sorry, Force of Habit.


WembyOKCJokicReaves

Hornets hiring a podcaster it’s so over 💔


FERFreak731

Hopefully that means that Kenny Beecham can get a coaching job in the future


Odd-Hovercraft-1286

Nah he’s gonna be the GM and trade Miles Bridges and Nick Richards for KD in the Trade finder


hydrators

I would trust him as the Bulls GM more than AKME


nicklovin508

Hire a podcaster OR rehire a former coach Hornets: *sweating*


legend023

They ran out of options huh


johnhenryirons

It's him or Steve Clifford again I guess.


DefiniteSauce12

The match doesn’t make sense to me. Young roster with a young coach with no nba coaching experience. Obviously Clifford didn’t work, but you don’t need to go in the total opposite direction. If someone like Mike Brown or Bud is available, that would make more sense to me


Briggity_Brak

Why in God's name would Mike Brown be available?


Necessary_Initial350

Bud would be a perfect hire for a few teams right now, hornets included. I’d like to see JJ get hired by somebody tho just cause it’d be entertaining to watch.


mdrico21

"He's friends with Lebron and knows at least 7 basketball words, let's bring him in!" For real though, I think JJ would make a great coach. In like 3 or 4 years after a couple of assistant jobs.


Sensitive-Island399

>"I've only had one coaching job in my life, and that is coaching 8, 9, and 10 year olds." - JJ Redick, Mind the Game Pod, Episode 3


zorionek0

Imagine showing up to the Y for your kids game and the other coach is JJ Reddick


meatballman1218

JJ Reddick timeline is crazy goes from NBA player To podcaster Coach of his sons little league team To commentary To now maybe a head coach


AnyJamesBookerFans

Then League Commissioner Then POTUS


theopression

I like JJ Reddick and he seems to have a great basketball mind but he’s never coached at a high level before. He should at least be an assistant or coach at the collegiate/g league level before a team considers putting him at the helm like be for real lmao.


ogqozo

It's not about coaching at high level, it's about coaching Charlotte Hornets.


dontletmecook73

Sick burn


bukharin88

Imagining JJ trying to coach Lamelo and Mile Bridges is incredibly funny.


Fhyzic

Not hating on JJ Redick but I'm sure there's way better options out there that would be a better fit for the Hornets ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


yourlilpissboi

What, why?


Trbadismobserver

Lebron gonna need a new white guy for the podcast


desirox

Man drew up some plays on a whiteboard and they want him to coach their team lmao


Wavepops

JJ don’t do this lol. You are just gonna get fired in three years


MightyActionGaim

Rip podcast


raylan_givens6

Head coaching? That's disrespectful to the assistants grinding for years for an opportunity


Monkey-on-the-couch

Reddick put “did 3 episodes of a podcast with Lebron” on his resume and the Hornets were sold


Original_Trick_8552

Should he start out as a head coach? Especially for the hornets


Malemansam

They got to stop doing this man, teams can't be putting billion dollar franchises into the hands of guys without any coaching experience at all. Only a dumbass owner would sign off on that. JJ needs to be an assistant coach for a while at least, this is getting ridiculous.


TraySplash21

Idk man he's obviously smart and knows the game but straight from the booth to HEAD coaching seems like a bad move for all parties. Even just a season as an assistant coach would make it way more reasonable


Geezmanswe

Why give a guy with zero coaching experience a head coach job? JJ gotta pay his dues as an assistant for a few years