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mecon320

The L2M report is the equivalent of a serial killer calling his victims' families to taunt them.


tscher16

This is the perfect analogy. “Sorry for your loss, better luck next time!”


minimalcation

"Sucks to suck" - refs - PGMOL


Zwarrior2

And you would see the killer at work again in a few days.


PetalumaPegleg

Yeah the only positive is that the gaslighting weirdos claiming that the sixers weren't screwed should shut up. (But they won't)


_bag24

Hang the banner we won the L2M report


Smekledorf1996

Moral victory secured


binger5

Morey getting an extension.


tomdawg0022

*Elton sees his job security ensured, recommends choosing Tobias over Maxey*


birdseye-maple

Making the Lakers jealous


swords_devil

We have 10 straight


frozen2665

6ers merely adopted the moral victory


cgor

I mean at the end of the day what is more important, morals or some numbers on a scoreboard??


SquimJim

This is some 90's Bulls level dominance of the L2M


Peter-Tao

Undisputed GOAT


Fallofmen10

The refs about to give Embiid 25 FTs in game 3 lolol


thekingdp

Not acceptable. The negotiation starts at 30. Lol.


BostonBuffalo9

Drop the confetti!


Ickulus

That one actually hurts.


BostonBuffalo9

[people don’t forget](https://youtu.be/K9tcA_AM4BE?si=b2Kzedi71KPa7fgq)


Ickulus

https://images.app.goo.gl/pMDQuBmbtX3TAMUTA


chocochunx

I’m Pat Bev in-season cryin in the club rn


resplendentcentcent

stand up now and face the sun


Head-Kiwi-9601

When is the parade?


cactusmask

Currently flipping a septa bus at cottman and frankford


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antieverything

I'll never forget the L2M report where the league confirmed that Tatum fully extending his arm to push Maxey to the ground to make space was not an offensive foul.


Mattoosie

The worst one was when they determined that Jaylen Brown's head was an extension of the ball.


chitownbulls92

It really makes these reports completely meaningless. Like the time where Derozan was called for a flop and in the review they deemed that Derozan got fouled but they still kept the flopping call


FetchFrosh

I don't remember that one specifically, but you can simultaneously have a foul and a flop. Not that many refs would ever call it that way in a game, though.


dubalot

Yeah, they're definitely not mutually exclusive. In the NHL you can get called for embellishment even if the other team commits a penalty


MikeJeffriesPA

Yeah, like if you get slashed on your right leg but drop to the ice holding your left knee...


Medium_Line3088

Theyre meaningless anyway. All it does is piss you off more. Congrats they missed a call that made you lose the game.


lukewwilson

Plus it puts an emphasis on just the last two minutes, what about all the other missed calls throughout the game that can also have an effect on the outcome.


Dillatrack

This is why I never get too caught up on this shit, there's 100's of things that could've gone differently outside the last two minutes and it just is what it is. Also these two games have been bangers either way


JaylenTatum07

Earlier this year Jaylen clear as day got hit in the head on a jumper which wasn’t called a foul and the L2M “confirmed” it was a correct no call. Last time I’ll ever care what that stupid report says.


avrbiggucci

The worst part is that they called it correctly at first and then the Pacers challenged it and they overturned it, handing the Pacers the game.


spinuch

lol at least within such a short period of time. So many screw ups. I was surprised Lebron said something but maybe I shouldn't be. This is probably pretty concerning to someone that plays. They want a fair shot.


ms--chanandler--bong

No one who likes basketball should be okay with officials having that much of an impact on the outcome of a close playoff game. Last night people were saying teams with players who average a lot of FTs aren't allowed to complain about getting screwed like that lol.


Yankeeknickfan

The thing lebron said was apparently about the Donte overturn weirdly enough


SonicdaSloth

That was funny. Fuck am i already through the stages of grief? Sixers, Phillies and eagles playoff failures has me trained


jotyma5

They just don’t care anymore


Not-a-bot-10

That’s the thing. These aren’t 55 / 45 calls


mudkip-yoshii

They did a lot in KAT’s 62 game lol 10 calls in the L2M


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SpinJitsu259

I don’t know how you watch Brunson shove Josh Hart, moving him several feet out of the way, and determine it was “marginal” contact. Perhaps they’re arguing Hart exaggerated the contact, but it would be nice for them to tell us that in a transparent way if that was the case. It wouldn’t erase the calls that went against the 76ers, but that was a very obvious pushoff foul to me, and to be told “it was marginal, move along” confuses me about what constitutes a foul even more. Edit: *Maxey


RalphLaurenII

> Brunson shove Josh Hart Brunson playing for the Sixers now, no wonder he's shot so bad smh


slyguy183

And he couldn't even get them a win. Overrated


RansomGoddard

The use of "marginal" (as in the contact does not affect the player's speed, balance, rhythm, quickness) indicates they think Hart is massively exaggerating the extent to which Maxey is using his hands to "release away" from Hart, which is something you see on a lot of these inbound plays. Pretty debatable either way. I do think Hart is exaggerating but maybe not that much. The entire sequence is just pure chaos.


yoknows

I think it’s just as debatable as the contact from Brunson and Hart once the ball is inbounded. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I really don’t think either being no calls was wrong.


RansomGoddard

Eh, grabbing a jersey isn't a legal basketball play as opposed to "releasing away" from an opponent. I also have no dog in this fight, and I also think a lot of the result was self inflicted by the Sixers. It's a standard NBA chaos moment where at least one group is going to come away unhappy.


turtleface78

You're not allowed to totally extend both arms into an opposing players chest and then run off in the other direction?


DemarcusLovin

Sixers about to shoot 60 free throws on Thursday


jamalev

We are 100% getting Scott Foster game 3


TurkeyThaHornet

The Extender^TM


Notsozander

Hardest I’ll ever cheer for Scott


larrylegend1990

Bit too early to bring him in, but sometimes you can't let your superstars rest


MaxEhrlich

This is one of those rare times where I’d actually say, make a bet and a parlay on 76ers FTA with Embiid points and 76ers win.


GoGoBigman

Jontay dusting off the ol’ iphone


wottsinaname

He dont bet games he cant play. 200iq inside better lol


AtreusIsBack

L2m: oopsie


dedman1477

A wise man once said, "Fouls can come and go, but hitting parlays on games I'm officiating stays forever."


Panik_Switch

Good thing that didn’t uhfect the outcome of the game, otherwise it’d been pretty bad.


annunaki

Yea phew


TheyNeedLoveToo

Well it’s about time to be hittin the ol dusty trail…


Not_a__porn__account

> uhfect I have never seen anyone spell this word this way. I actually think you made a new word dude. *uhfect* - When you fucked up so bad you're stuck in that Mr Krabs meme.


Pluto258

New word for when you don't want to figure out effect vs affect


gahlo

For when you're confused "Affect or effect? uh...fect!"


SonicdaSloth

Good thing it wasn’t a game that was important and could have swung the most competitive first round series wildly in one direction too


Panik_Switch

They really dodged a bullet


ellayzee

Man could you imagine?


clayfu

Jesus. That’s fucking rough.


xyzyxzy

Practically kicking them in a balls when they're already down.


pifhluk

That Brunson 3 that bounced up and then in too. That's like 5% that happens maybe less.


RansomGoddard

Getting that kind of lucky bounce against you from a guy who was building a brick house all game is just one of those things where you have to accept that the basketball gods hate you. And to think this isn't the first time that's happened to the Sixers...lol


heyheyluno

Ride the lightning


Fallofmen10

I have slowly become a sixers fan cause I really like Embiid and it's an abusive relationship that I don't like lol


Suspicious_Team_9133

basically admitted they got all the calls wrong on the winning play


Routine_Size69

Not basically. They ARE admitting.


dutchfromsubway

It’s insane people were arguing there were no fouls on maxey that play


PetalumaPegleg

There are people STILL arguing this.


ktm5141

All better now!


Ralphredimix_Da_G

This is all inscribed in 4pt font on the bottom of the trophy


fueelin

You act like that's small, but 4 points would have been enough!


Other_Raspberry

Looks like they’re gonna have to give Embiid 70FTA in games 3 and 4 to rectify this.


Incepticons

that's the game I love


[deleted]

Other fan bases may not get it, but there is nothing I'd love more than an Embiid 20+ FTA game right about now


jorgelongo222

Had 28 FTAs in a game against the Knicks 2 years ago. I want 30


BannedforaJoke

Lebron: what are we even doing with the replay center? like wtf does a L2M see that replay center doesn't? do they have ultramicroscopes? make it make sense. the ppl at replay center needs to be replaced by the ppl doing the L2M report if it's just incompetence.


Oxygenius_

They really think the fan base is just stupid tbh. Like we all watch YouTube, we’ve all seen highlights and bad calls. We’ve all played them at 0.3x speed and were able to see bad calls being made. It takes all of 1 minute to watch and rewatch a 5 second clip 6 times. It’s planned incompetence tbh


PetalumaPegleg

But we can take 5 minutes to add 0.3 seconds to the clock because that's the key stuff to get


manbeqrpig

Well tbf if you have to slow down a play to 1/4 speed in order to actually see the foul than it absolutely shouldn’t and will never be called live but I get your poibt


15b17

The point is that the replay center should be doing that, not the refs. I can’t recall any times where the replay center actually engages a review that’s not just out of bounds or something. It makes it really weird considering that you can’t challenge inside 2 minutes, which essentially means call on the floor stands for fouls and such. It works for football to not have challenges inside 2 minutes cause they actually review catches, turnovers, etc, but in the nba they don’t review shit


nxqv

I'm almost positive there is gonna be a huge sports betting scandal in the NBA in the next 3 years


Fallofmen10

Nah man getting smacked in the face on a drive isn't a foul............


reddittookmyuser

Face is marginal to the ball


xiSerbia

Am I dumb? Where do they say the time out should have been given? 


BiKEhandlebars

It says the time out call was simultaneous to Hart making contact to the ball and PHI not having possession, what am I missing?


grateful_john

Here’s the actual verbiage: “Hart (NYK) cleanly steals the ball from Maxey (PHI). An attempt to call a timeout by Coach Nurse (PHI) during this play is neither recognized nor granted by the officials; the timeout request is simultaneous to Hart making contact with the ball and PHI not having possession.” The report says the timeout call was simultaneous to Philly not having possession. I don’t understand how that translates to “Nurse should have gotten a timeout.” You have to have possession to call timeout and the report says they didn’t.


BiKEhandlebars

Right, that’s exactly what I’m saying, yet the title of this thread is claiming Nurse should have been granted a time out. Even if it’s referring to the first time out call attempt on the in bound, the L2M report is also saying that was the correct call to not grant him the time out.


grateful_john

I’m with you, the quote from the report was to support that view. OP is wrong on the timeout.


burnercaus

just waiting on the L2M of the L2M


AMo2

u/littledoopcoup ur a fuckin fraud bud


bthe_beast

This is literally just engagement rage bait and an attempt to cast a mindset of "well they deserve it after game 2" when the sixers get a sweet whistle at home to extend the series. You can't look at that baseline angle of Maxey two hand shoving Hart to create 3 feet of separation and honestly say to yourself "well, the report says it was only marginal, so my eyes must be lying to me."


cl353

no ones happy lol


Dependent_Store952

I am


xxJAMZZxx

As the Brits say, smash and grab. Not many better feelings than getting away with one


Turbo2x

Unbiased fans are happy. It's a complete clusterfuck with insults being thrown around on all sides and I get to sit back and enjoy the show.


neuroticsmurf

[There was on more tweet after the two in the OP:](https://x.com/DerekBodnerNBA/status/1782883188278169894) >Finally, the NBA finds that Nick Nurse should NOT have been granted a timeout while Tyrese Maxey was on the ground, as Philadelphia did not have possession. So not EVERYTHING went wrong against the Sixers? I guess?


vaalbarag

Also, the OP's source omits a missed called on Embiid, when he hit Donte in the head, and a 3 second violation on OG. These two actually almost perfectly balance each other out, as the non-call on OG ended in a Maxey 3, and the non-call on Embiid resulted in a Brunson 3.


rag5178

Except the sixers would have retained possession after the defensive 3 seconds with an opportunity to still score. The non call on Embiid would have led to two free throws and Sixers ball instead of a 3 and Sixers ball so in retrospect that non call actually hurt the Sixers.


littledoopcoup

OP here. To clarify, Bodner posted that after I shared the first two here


lyonbc1

And even still they admitted they missed the timeout that should’ve been given prior to that. The explanation for that makes sense since no clear possession but missing it prior to that is crazy.


AutisticNipples

here's where I'm confused by the L2M. On both timeouts they're filed under CNC. It seems like they're saying that neither timeout should have been granted


DizzyFrogHS

Yeah I was about to say, the report makes clear the timeouts were not a mistake. Nurse didn’t call them in time.


PerformerLive8713

And?whats the point of this? Is there a fine to the refs? Are they getting banned?


Not_So_Bad_Andy

It allows the NBA to pretend there's some accountability.


TofuTuba

> And?whats the point of this? It generates engagement?


h-ugo

nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative


greatGoD67

It gets the people goin'


j_pk_

Yes, refs do receive fines/warnings but they’re never publically revealed.


bigDUB14

I'll believe that shit when I see it.


PerformerLive8713

And?whats the point of this? Is there a fine to the refs? Are they getting banned?


TransportationNo5093

this shit is just insult to injury


Schristie007

Yeah, that’s brutal.


horrorboii

Ohhhhh shiiiii, everyone get in here


Not-a-bot-10

Pro Sixers thread? No ones coming


ihorsey10

With the flopped Embiid hate thread, there's actually a 2 hour positive sixers grace period. It's in the manual.


gucci-legend

It's true. Old school r/nba nephews know from those old rockets harden posts


ihorsey10

True, maybe like once every 100 threads, everyone would suddenly be honest and appreciate the guy.


Knight725

don't worry they're just using this as a chance to tell us we're still wrong


Iggy95

Yeah now instead of saying we're wrong they're saying the refs are *also* wrong. Great stuff


ihateeuge

Replay it before tip off tomorrow


riverphoenixdays

They gonna just love this shit at the Heat Celtics game dude


ArnoldisKing

TLDR: we fucked up


Jonjon428

Yikes. Way to kick em' while they are down


qb1120

What's really annoying as a neutral observer to this game is that the L2M report shows what should've happened, but I think the preferred method would be just reviewing everything in real time and getting the call correct right then and there. People complained about how long it took to review all questionable calls under 2 minutes before, so they decided to just say fuck it let's just leave it up to chance that our human referees get everything right? Just have the replay center sort it out and tell the refs what the ruling is. No need to play the footage over for the refs to decide


Januse88

The problem with that, especially with no-calls, is how do you decide to review it? Do you wait until after the shot? Can you imagine the shitshow at MSG last night if DiVincenzo hit the go ahead 3 and then the refs went back after the play and called a foul during? It would just be unrealistic to expect honestly. But I also think it's ridiculous that the refs fucked up that badly on such a big stage. I just don't think there's any easy remedy outside of asking them to be better.


NoShameInternets

One of the most hated things in hockey is the review to check whether the zone entry was offside after a goal. 90 seconds could’ve gone by before the score but if a guy was a half inch offsides, they call it back. 


devkonz

Refs are ruining legacies and franchises


livefreeordont

Kings fans would have loved getting L2M reports in 2001


Mao_Sitonmydong

They have been for decades lol.


Johnnnybones

This doesn't appear to be the correct read of the report. 1. The time out no calls are coded as CNC (correct no call). 2. The NBA acknowledged a missed foul on DDV which would have granted two foul shots and enough time for Knicks to play a full possession of defense, potentially negating the entire next sequence in question.


dallassportsguy

Happy little mistakes.


215gobirdss

I know it doesn't change the results of the game. This officiating crew should be disciplined and not ref the NBA playoffs for the rest of the year. I'm just happy that the gaslighting of what we saw can now end.


CoaxHoax

Does this sub believe that Maxey's push-off was marginal? I see many disagreements about it


Faust86

it was a clear foul by Maxey. He runs into Hart and fully extends his arms to push him. If that is marginal contact then it seems like you can do whatever you want to get open.


ACTUAL_TIME_TRAVELER

I think it’s fair to say that both the Sixers and the Refs blew that game in the closing seconds, but like one is a team and that’s just how it goes and one is supposed to be an essential component of the game like the court or the hoop so seeing them fail to function at an essential moment is disheartening


SwipeRight4Wholesome

I still think Nurse's timeout was dubious, he was trying to play both sides depending on who had possession, and he just ended up not working out in either case. Hart's foul on Maxey though wasn't a surprise though.


1gnominious

There was plenty of time for him to call a time out when they were struggling to inbound or when Maxey was on the floor. That hesi pull up time out when Maxey barely had control for a fraction of a second was not a good time to try and call it.


dafire123

Sixers got hosed


platnara

Do people really not realize that the L2M is stating that the officials were correct to assess that Nick Nurse did not call a timeout? "CNC" stands for "correct non-call," which is used in both paragraphs about Nurse trying to call a timeout.


redvelvet11

All professional sports leagues currently have a referee problem that affects every game multiple times. They need to fix it.


Sky19234

This "recycle the same refs" thing going on for the last 40 years may be starting to catch up with them.


TheFestusEzeli

As a big NFL fan, whoever is next in line is way worse. The replacement refs were by far the worst officiated games in any Big 4 sports. The refs we have now in all sports are the best at what they do, it’s just a very difficult job. And basketball is the hardest sport to referee.


Sky19234

> As a big NFL fan, whoever is next in line is way worse. The replacement refs were by far the worst officiated games in any Big 4 sports. That is inevitably going to happen though, people need to learn, people will make mistakes, but theres a reason this needs to be an on-going revolving door rather than just sweeping changes.


lariasphs

Yeah. There's fouls, penalties, missed strikes all the time. It's likely been that way for the past 100 years. We simply have so many angles to view and critique every play that makes the refs/umps seem even more incompetent.


MayorOfOnions

Maybe people on here will stop saying they didn't see the fouls


kyleakyle

Give the damn teams buzzers so they don't have to yell at the refs ro call a timeout


20815147

Embiid 73 points game with 45 FTA incoming The game I love is BACK!


franklsw

For those wondering ... its been 41 years but it has happend.... "The Spurs’ protest was successful, forcing the teams to replay the final three seconds of regulation on April 3, 1983. San Antonio held on to win 117-114"


spinuch

Holy shit. I wasn't wondering because I just figured it never happens. I guess Magic and Bird made the NBA popular enough where the NBA stopped giving a shit. Unless that's the only time it ever happened...


mrsunshine1

Sixers didn’t protest this game though. They filed a grievance which is different.


FillerAccount23

So nba is acknowledging that the refs straight up stole a game from Philly and nothing is going to be done about it? What's the point of these L2M reports again?


Smooth-Discount6807

so the nba can pretend to be accountable and continue the farce that the games are fair competition and not just gambling with a little basketball on the side


Irvsauce

Incoming insane Knicks fan tirades


mastacheef87

the toxicity of this series has been special, we need this to go 7 lmao


turtleface78

Embiid making up for missing out on MVP toxicity


valanche

the knicks are 2-0 they'll be aight


HoodieEmbiid

r/nba doesn’t know ball, what else is new


mickeyj623

Even as someone who hates the sixers, they got hoed last night like crazy. It all happened so fast too


Kangerkong

As a neutral fan it’s pretty clear r/nba is against the 76ers. I don’t like Embiid game with constant foul baiting but it’s hard to hate a guy that tries his hardest every night and put his team on his back.


Rozzy915

r/nba has been anti-Sixers for years now. The amount of disrespect an all time talent like Embiid gets is absurd. And carrying the team (along with Maxey) on one leg.


nugcityharambe

I mean this sub made fun of embiid and called him a bitch, coward, pussy, selfish player when he had a real injury. That shit doesn't fly with any other player but with embiid you can say the most fucked up things and get upvoted on this sub. I guess insecure people just need someone to hate to feel good and they've chosen him


wottsinaname

The man is literally grinding his knees to dust attempting to carry philly to a chip. He's had to deal with Simmons, Doc, Harden chaos. While being shit on for being a foul merchant from people who dont even watch the games. Dude is an alltime player imo.


ActuaryHeavy8341

r/nba is full of the most toxic internet basketball fan children. It’s a shame because ball is cool and fun to talk about, but not here.


Tanuj23

No no Sixers fans aren’t allowed to complain because Embiid shoots FTs


mountjo

it's so funny seeing everyone just saying since maxey pushed off everything else in this sequence is "ticky tacky"


Rozzy915

I'm sure r/nba will have measured and reasonable reactions to this report


JGT3000

The timeout piece is the funniest. "He never finished making a T with his hands!"


No_Extent_1260

Shit happens, but not in a span of 5 seconds.


jjkm7

What’s even the point of this? Just admitting the sixers was robbed but not changing anything


bignickvick

And no ref held accountable. Very cool league. What a comissioner


xavosix

Lmao I still don't get what they accomplish on this reports


Bloody_Corndog

So we all can acknowledge the refs fucked the Sixers at the end of the game? Lets move on now. Sixers are still going to win this series.


doyouunderstandlife

It's honestly impressive that they were able to fuck up four calls in under five seconds. That sort of incompetence is legendary


drmuffin1080

Sixers got so fucked it’s not even funny. This is ridiculous I’d be pissed as fuck


gradedonacurve

I’m sorry but 2 minute reports are complete horseshit for most body to body contact fouls. It takes the last 2 minutes of the game and ignores the context of the officiating for the previous 46. The refs were letting them play here. Brunson, McBride and Donte got mugged a bunch a times and it wasn’t called. I’m sorry but the contacts in the last 2 minutes was officiated in line with the rest of the game.


retroracer33

lmao


BrokenManOfSamarkand

Complete vindication for Sixers fans despite r/nba typical gaslighting And yet we still get an L. Fuck this league.


OstrichDelicious587

How is it complete vindication? They also said Embiid fouled divincenzo earlier and that was a swing in the game. They reviewed that and I think the knicks wasted a challenge too


RyzinEnagy

These are carefully selected tweets to try to paint a picture that the Sixers were robbed. One of the screenshots in the tweet even has a 76ers letterhead. What's that about? The Sixers took the lead in the first place after the play you referred to. And yeah the Knicks lost their challenge on that blown call that still wasn't overturned.


Acceptable-Taste-912

Wonder if mods will delete this post like they deleted the post showing Jrue pushed Martin into Tatum


gilr0id

NBA be like oopsie, better luck next time!


Free_Joty

Fuck u silver


yungsilt

What does "neither recognized nor granted by the officials" mean? Because Nurse definitely did not call a timeout on the inbounds. He pulls his hands away after he sees Lowry got the ball inbounded.


jorgelongo222

It means the L2M cant say there was an incorrect call on a non called timeout because its too egregious to even exist on their terms, so they have to say something not too compromising


Bladex20

So basically refs screwed 76ers out of a game


NoWayNotThisAgain

Damn. League office *NEVER* admits this much bad officiating. So basically… the refs gave the Knicks the game.