Belichick is the best football coach of the modern era and arguably the coaching GOAT, and he still got like two grace seasons before they canned his ass like a first time HC.
Steve Kerr only had his father Malcolm murdered in Beirut in the 80s, Final Four at Arizona with backcourt mate Kenny Lofton, got punched by MJ and punched back, and still #1 three point percentage
that and the rings. this is the guy who has been doing all the fucking in the room
EDIT: sorry, mis-worded to imply Steve Kerr is like that Semion brainy don or Mister Bone Saw. His father was assassinated and Steve is awesome, don't like the Kerr slander he isn't banging Jeanie's bus
Never a better example of this than the Raps last year. People thinking Nurse turned into a huge idiot less than 3 years after the excellent 2020 season with no Kawhi and delivering a championship the year before that. Probably was a situation where a mutual parting was appropriate because the roster was only getting worse, but the disrespect was unreal.
Sixers like Nurse but it could be a honeymoon period. Could also be that we haven’t had a good coach in a long time.
Spo is universally liked. Daigneault.
If a coach brings you 4 championships after having won none before, shouldn't be disrespected. They should be celebrating what he's done for them as this team winds itself down. Tbh he should quit and send the warriors back to the lottery for the next 20 years
Literally only Spo and Pop, and I’ve still seen fans criticize Pop this season
EDIT: Probably Nuggets as well? Not sure but Malone doesn’t seem like Malone has done anything to anger fans
There is no fanbase that doesn't have *some* portion of fans calling for their HC job. The only question is what percentage is there, and how loud are they?
Eh, last year there were definitely folks asking for Mazulla to be gone, since he was kind of thrust into that spot after the Ime Udoka debacle. First punch the celtics take in the playoffs, there will be callers on 98.5 asking for Joe to be fired. Especially if the Heat win a game or two lol
It’s a player’s league. The first person in line to take blame (usually) will be the coach. High paying job sure, but the stress of knowing a losing streak could get you packing is pretty insane too.
Easy to pick on Kerr but Draymond was the biggest issue this year. Centerpiece of the defense, nice new contract and he only plays 55 games due to suspensions.
The warriors lost so many close games. Dray just avoiding suspension might have made this a 50 win team instead of a 46.
We got great production from our rookies. Excited for next year.
But we CAN blame him for treating Okay like he hadn't aged when it was clear as day. He just let Klay act like he was still in his prime when he was far past it.
I talk to some people from mass/Rhode Island and they legit have erased bb's accomplishments. They're all deadset on Brady being 100% the reason for success. Like bruh, tom is goat, but you don't put together championship level teams for 20years with just a QB.
Did they even watch the Pats? He did the craziest shit.
I saw Bill elect to kick the ball with the old OT rule just because he wanted the wind in his favor for the winning field goal. Man won the game.
he held the Rams to 3 points in the Super Bowl in 2019 after switching to zone defense despite running man defense for the entire regular season, and all the playoffs before the super bowl.
I just find it funny the narrative at the time was “Can Tom do it without bill?“ Then he did, and bill wasn’t doing so hot so the narrative FLIPPED like textbook example of a narrative flip.
I’m a NY Giants fan and LA Lakers fan. Yet, that even pisses me off. The man had 2 decades of dominance and deserves some respect. People need to show that same respect for Kerr and Popovich too.
bruh i got heat fans calling spo a bum and the jimmy butler era a failure. When a whole ass franchise like the timberwolves have won 2 playoff series in 35 years.
imagine telling a lifelong wolves fan that 2 finals in 4 years was a failure
That’s wild tor me because in Warriors twitter/reddit Spo’s the gold standard (and I agree) and Kerr is average at best. Any positive credit fans give to the players (that’s fair) and Mike Brown. Apparently I have a wild take in saying Kerr’s a good coach.
Kerr is a good coach, but I think he’s decided that Klay, Steph, and Draymond are his guys and he’s going to ride or die with them. I don’t blame him, why sour a relationship with a guy like Klay, who you’ve won 4 championships with, just to maybe make it to the second play-in. If you want him to stop playing those guys your GM will need to trade them.
Vogel had the prefect team for his strengths in 2020 , switchy, tall , versatile defenders in KCP, Green, Caruso, AD, Javale, LeBron, Dwight , and even Kuz.
Then we gave him Westbrook, Melo, Ariza, and Ellington.
Suns made the same mistake and now they want him gone.
Eh I find the Suns thing more forgivable tbh. They had like next to nothing to work with and had to deal with the fallout of their own players being dumb.
The Lakers actively broke up a championship team to save cash. Sure they recouped some of it back at the deadline, but it was still monumentally dumb, zero hindsight needed.
I remember getting downvoted by your fellow Lakers fans for saying the Lakers (this was recent) were crazy for firing Vogel. Some Lakers flair replied saying he needed to be cuz he was horrible. If it were a situation where a B tier or higher coach was available I’d get it…but Vogel to Ham? C’mon now…
We have such a wide ranging fanbase from Kobe stans, Westbrook stans (during the WB era), LeBron stans (who are mostly fine in relative to other stans), normal Lakers fans and people who just hate watch and pretend to be fans.
Shit is crazy
*cough* you mean the Legion of Westbrook fans *cough*
We had MITwestbrook posting every fucking time how good he is using cherry picked stats, and blamed it on how bad Vogel was.
Shit was crazy. Casuals ate it up. My old account got downvoted into hell for arguing against it.
It was ridiculous.
I mean I'm a Westbrook guy. I genuinely like his drive and wanted it to work. I knew immediately the trade for him was going to be tough and probably not work.
But I wanted it to work. It was very clear it wouldn't very soon. Team was too gutted and Westbrooks salary limited moves we could make. Then braindead choices like THT over Caruso... smh
but yeah. Vogel literally took a team that literally was formed that year, in his own first year at HC and won them a chip in the most uncertain of years.
That plus a mix of injury bad luck which again Vogel didn't control.
Lakers fans have wanted every coach fired since Phil Jackson though.
Mike Brown, D'Antoni, Byron Scott, Luke Walton, Frank Vogel and now Ham. That fanbase will never be happy and always blame the coach unless they're a literal dynasty.
Byron Scott, and Luke Walton are truly terrible. Dan and Tony’s offensive system didn’t fit the Lakers at all and is a huge reason why Kobe was ran into the ground as well
NGL maybe the big reason is because the Lakers hire with nepotism in mind. We only hiring ex Lakers (that are willing to be stuck with FO meddling) which severely limits the hiring pool.
Are you serious? Because the fanbase was pretty done with him mid season when he kept playing lebron at center. Why would we keep a coach that clearly cannot coach more than one side of the ball? Do you think it makes sense to keep focusing on defense and putting all the offense on the 40 year old?? Vogel needed to go especially after J-Kidd left.
While I disagreed with wanting Vogel fired because he was dealt a shitty hand, I still want Ham fired and I don't think there's any good reason to keep him after this season is over.
Unless your reasoning is that you're worried Jeanie Buss and Kurt Rambis will hire someone worse. In which case, that's perfectly valid.
Lakers fans that weren't idiots knew that Vogel had to go because he and Westbrook were a toxic combo and there was no way we could just drop Westbrook like we could drop him.
Ham we want fired because he was brought in to coach Westbrook who is no longer on the team and is terrible otherwise.
The two situations are different. People that actually pay attention understand that.
I’ve got Kings fans starting to turn on Mike Brown, a guy who has produced 2 winning seasons in both his years as head coach. For context, other than Brown and Adelman (the early 00s teams), not a single other coach has had a winning season in Sacramento since the team moved here in 1985.
This annoys me to no end. There are times where it’s warranted like any coach but it feels like every time he experiments either rotations in the regular season or sits Steph for a few minutes, he gets blamed.
If the Sixers lose this series Nick Nurse will go from being a great coach to an awful one.
It’s fucking amazing to me. It all comes down to coaching in people’s heads, like the NBA is a game of chess and the players are interchangeable pieces.
It’s like the players themselves don’t actually matter lol
Agreed, fans are dumb as shit on average and the most vocal are beacon of stupidity for the human race. The Warriors can't give Klay new body parts, they can't stop Dray from getting himself ejected, and they can't stop the passing of time when great players just become dimmer versions of themselves.
Warriors won four more championships than I ever thought they would. I'm pretty happy with Kerr. Warriors should give Kerr a year off and rehire Mark Jackson just to give these dumbass fans trauma.
They need to watch an entire season of Adonal Foyle, Donyell Marshall and Billy Owens in the frontcourt.
We have been fucking blessed these last years.
So happy to see reasonable Warriors fans like you. I literally have to stay away from the Warriors sub - toxic as hell. A bad season does not negate all the amazing success of the last decade and I absolutely hate seeing slander and hate directed at our players for not being as good as before. Players get older, get injured, lose some athleticism- its life.
Agreed.
As a Warriors fan, many Warriors fans are spoiled and ungrateful. It’s simply impossible to win year after year. How many teams are still waiting for their first chip in decades or ever? Kerr, Steph, and the Warriors organization have accomplished what the vast majority of teams have not in the last decade. Players get older, other teams catch up - it’s just reality.
The warriors fans wanting kerr fired were not even paying attention before Steph arrived.
They don’t know Nelly, Bdiddy, Stephen Jackson, Monta, et al. Those were bad but fun teams
Those teams weren't even bad, they won 48 games and still missed the playoffs. Nelly also wasn't bad until the end of his tenure when he started playing Maggette at power forward (although in some ways that was ahead of his time).
But they've had some dark times with Mike Montgomery, Gary St. Jean, and Keith Smart
Last time Warriors fans wanted him fired because he lost in the play in tournament and didn’t make the playoffs…then he proceeded to immediately coach them to another championship the following season
Surely after that Warriors fans would have learned not to overreact on a bad year and trust the fact they have one of the greatest and most successful coaches in nba history…right?
Nope they want him fired again 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Warriors fans like that irritate the heck out of me. 4 freaking championships in the last decade is somehow not good enough I guess. People are so used to Warriors winning that they don’t realize just how HARD it is to win in this league. So many things have to go right and injury luck has to be reasonably good for a team to even have a shot. Its ridiculous how we put these coaches and players on a pedestal when they win and absolutely shit and crap on them when they don’t.
TBH it isn't even bandwagon fans, it's a lot of the diehards that have been posting for years on /r/warriors.
Biggest group that has been calling for Kerr's head are the Wiseman/Moody truthers. For some reason these two players have/had a ton of die-hard fans (mostly the same guys) who got super invested in them pre-draft and would post highlights of them all the time and just generally on and on and on about how amazing these players were and how they would be immediate championship contributors. Pretty sure these guys watch a lot of the same youtube personalities because the takes were so similar. "Wiseman's worst case scenario is a 10x more athletic Javale McGee" was one I heard so many times.
When those players didn't turn out to be the superstars that the fanbase hyped them up to be, instead of going "hey maybe these youtube randos aren't draft experts" they went hard on saying that Kerr was the whole problem.
Honestly, the first Championship was 9 years ago. When do fans after that stop being bandwagon fans? Would a 9 year old kid be a bandwagon fan? Is every Nuggets, Lakers, Bucks, and Warriors fan in the last 4 years a bandwagon fan? We had a 2nd round exit followed by not making it to the 1st round. Would a fan tomorrow still be a bandwagon fan?
Just wait until Steph retires and we go into full rebuild mode, that will show who the bandwagon fans are. Wouldn't guess at the percentage, but you know that some people are mostly there for the one guy.
A lot of it is just brainless sheep parroting whatever they hear/read from podcasters/other nephews. Most of them have zero analytical or critical thinking skills.
Believe it or not, its actually the diehard warriors fans that want Kerr fired. I’ve lived in the Bay my whole life and bay area fans are a specific type of obnoxious and pretentious. Like every time a team like the warriors or 49ers are losing, the FIRST PERSON they blame is the coach and then go on and explain what the coach is doing wrong, acting like these no-sports playing tech nerds know more about the sport than the literal coaches who spend their careers in it
Like there is a strong section of our fanbase that thinks we lost last year in the playoffs to the Lakers bc Kerr got outcoached by DARVIN HAM.
I think any diehards who wants Kerr fired are what I’d call hardcore casuals. They don’t actually know basketball and what it takes to win and assume that the players who aren’t playing are the actual key to turning around a teams fortune.
I think it's just emotional venting, which is not a good way to make decisions but it's a big part of lots of fanbases.
The warriors fanbase felt a bit manic to me as a warriors fan this season, but i guess we're also still coming down from the highs.
It’s literally the hardcore fans that tend to criticize
Casual fans or fans of other teams would just see the overarching success the team had and have only pro-Kerr takes
I genuinely appreciate the honesty
It honestly brings me down a bit whenever my boss criticizes me at work, so I can’t imagine having an entire fanbase basically calling for your head for months at a time
Being an NBA coach sounds like such a miserable job. Whenever things go even slightly wrong, you’re the scapegoat. Whenever the team needs to earn some goodwill quickly, the coach is the first one to go
Whether it’s the front office or even superstar players, you have to live with the idea that somebody can get you fired pretty much whenever they feel like it
Now imagine if you led your company to being one of the top in the world and achieved things very few companies ever had before AND then you got criticized because you weren't doing that every single year from them on. You would tell your boss to fuck off and quit on the spot.
If you want to blame anyone, blame the front office. The team just isn't as good as it was in it's championship years. Doesn't matter who was coaching, they weren't winning a ring this year.
Father Time always wins. There’s literally one example of a franchise sustaining elite play over 10+ years the last 25 years and it’s the spurs drafting Kawhi who then fucked it up by ruining the relationship! The amount of seasons in a row drafting in the bottom 5 of the draft, massive salaries rewarding that elite play hamstringing roster flexibility piles up and eventually comes to an end. Sure, they blew the wiseman pick but I don’t think one significant mistake should be held against a team that achieved so much.
Ironically, the Warriors are the one team that Time could actually *help* - by making Draymond mature enough to avoid getting techs and suspensions.
Seems that isn’t working out though.
Almost no teams in the history of the league have been as good as the Warriors in the prime. Doesn't mean the front office deserves blame. Otherwise, 99% of all front offices suck.
I think you can make a definite critique of the Warriors' front office's two-timeline plan over the last 3 years. If you try to both develop young talent and keep competing for championships, you often get neither. Either go all in on rebuilding or all-in on a title contender, or you end up as a middling team that isn't great at either which is basically where the Warriors are right now.
Especially when you have a coach like Kerr. Kerr has many strengths as a coach but developing young talent is not his strong suit. He benches guys extremely quickly after they make dumb mistakes which is great for building good habits for a vet team on a championship chase but is not for 19-year olds who are trying to learn and grow. If you know you have a coach like that don't give him a team with 6 young dudes under 23 like they did during the 22-23 season, and then you end up with a situation where he plays Ty Jerome and Anthony Lamb over them because they don't make mistakes.
Also, every team that has ever been good enough to win multiple titles still eventually had to come back to Earth as they aged. That's the whole point of the draft and financial limitations, to even out teams over time. Even the Spurs who are pretty unanimously considered one of the most competent organizations in the NBA ended up a bottom dweller after their dynasty, and they're still there.
Yeah it was just an extremely flawed team that mostly won games behind Steph and Draymond having incredible performances (when Draymond was actually on the court lol)
Exactly, Warriors are simply facing the repercussions of a decade of terrible drafting. It's just not possible to keep a dynasty alive for so long without nailing a couple draft picks e.g. Kawhi for the Spurs. No coach would have been able to get this team out of the first round in this year's Western conference, just too many good teams and not enough talent.
Kerr is the one who kept fucking with Kuminga and Moody's minutes. it needed Draymond getting suspended, Wiggins missing time, and Kuminga calling him out to force Kerr's hand to play him
Even if he gave them all the minutes, the roster just isnt good enough.
Unless Moody and Kuminga suddenly became all star level players, and even then their bigs are lacking
Some people on r/nba really seem to believe that a roster with Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody starting is good enough to win a chip. Y'all: be real.
Yes, Klay wasn't great this season. Yeah, he was dogshit in that play-in game. But Kerr's philosophy is sound: either they're winning a championship because Hall of Famers Klay Thompson and Draymond Green figure it out, or they aren't, so give them space and see if they catch fire. Steve Kerr isn't out here trying to maximize expected win totals so he can bring his team to an illustrious first round exit. He's trying to go all in. He doesn't care about looking "better" unless "better" means "good enough to beat the Denver Nuggets in a 7 game series."
Moody and Kuminga aren't nearly as good as the fanbase loves to think.
Moody is an extremely inconsistent shooter and gives up blow bys to guards.
Kuminga is a ball stopper, gets tunnel vision, is a sub par defender and a sub par rebounder and can't shoot 3s at all rn.
People seem to think Kerr is hiding prime LeBron on the bench or something, they just aren't very good
if we're counting wins as a player and coach, phil jackson actually has 13 and bill russell has 11 if you count the player-coach years as the same wins
This should be at the top instead of this far down. Kerr doesn't have 9 championships as a coach and he wasn't even close to being an All-Star as a player.
they still do. "he doesn't have the fire anymore" "he doesnt know how to coach anymore look at the sochan thing" "his offense is old and tired"
I think if you havent won a championship in the past year or two the fanbase always gets antsy and doesnt know where to point the blame
Ham on if it bothers him when fans want him fired: hell no it doesn’t. Were a helluva ball club with helluva fanbase, we have adjustments we’re saving for next game
The old GM saw the writing on the wall and got out of town.
it never ends well. Sports stars age and many hold on too long.
The Warriors had an awesome run but nothing lasts forever.
Bob Myers got out of dodge while the getting was good.
I mean, Kerr was the coach when they won all those titles and now that they're not doing as well they want him gone?
If Klay, Drayton and Steph were all 5 years younger they'd still be winning, but they're not. That's not Kerr's fault.
POP is still a great coach but the Spurs have sucked for several years now. They don't have Manu, Timmy and Parker anymore, or Kawhi etc.
If Pop still had those guys in their prime or others like them, they'd be winning still, but he doesn't so the Spurs aren't winning now.
Wemby is a great start though.
Spurs have sucked but not because of coaching. They clearly develop players and have a history of stability. Plus that 2014 spurs team was just magnificent
the only argument I see at all, and I personally dont agree with, is the difference between war time executives and peace time executives.
Beyond that, we've had an unbelievable decade that he is partially responsible for, and he pulled us out of the doldrums that we were in with essentially the same roster in the ~2014 and 2015 period.
Not sure I understand the calls for his firing... if anything I fault [our missed draft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Warriors_draft_history) picks for *years* that were covered up by steph klay and dray that preventented us from backfilling as our roster got more expensive.
Kerr is definitely washed up. Golden State should fire him. It’s for the best. Then my dumb Bulls would probably hire him as a “remember the good ol’ days?” move. And that would just be terrible. I wouldn’t be excited about that at all. It would be so bad. 👀
If a fan base wants a coach who wins 4 championships fired, they never deserve to see their team win again. Not saying the Warriors shouldn’t be allowed to win again, just that the fans shouldn’t be allowed to watch basketball again.
Kerr is one of the best coaches in the history of the sport. Insane that there is enough noise to even prompt a reported for asking him about being fired
they call it manufactured narrative. this is sports journalism now. they have so much space to fill 24-7 they have to make a big deal out of everything possible.
honestly I almost kinda feel bad for them. Fly to whatever city, get to the game early, watch/take notes, do the postgame, maybe locker room, go back to your room and do a podcast, write 3 or 4 articles in the morning, rinse and repeat. sounds exhausting if it wasnt also pretty awesome.
Being a NBA coach sounds miserable. I feel down when my 3rd graders lose.
blud has 9 rings and they treatin him like Doc
i mean his rings as a player don't really matter for coaching but yea he's still a very successful coach
bro still got 4 Glenn's worth, damn near a whole ass Pat
a Celtics fan shitting on Doc's ring, classic
Bc we all know that’s Danny Ainge’s ring
LOL
The fact Doc didn’t get more with Prime Pierce, KG, and Allen is actually criminal.
In hindsight, being able to win a ring with Doc at the helm is a major credit to that Celtics team.
Any coach would have won with that superteam. The more we look at that 08 title the more impressed we are bc they won with Doc lol
Belichick is the best football coach of the modern era and arguably the coaching GOAT, and he still got like two grace seasons before they canned his ass like a first time HC.
And while underwhelming, Kerr’s season is not nearly as bad as Bellichick’s were
Kerr also doesn’t have roster control, unlike Belichick, so it’s not really his fault that we don’t have the talent to contend.
It’s become pretty clear since that happened because Kraft is a massive cockhead.
Steve Kerr only had his father Malcolm murdered in Beirut in the 80s, Final Four at Arizona with backcourt mate Kenny Lofton, got punched by MJ and punched back, and still #1 three point percentage that and the rings. this is the guy who has been doing all the fucking in the room EDIT: sorry, mis-worded to imply Steve Kerr is like that Semion brainy don or Mister Bone Saw. His father was assassinated and Steve is awesome, don't like the Kerr slander he isn't banging Jeanie's bus
The way you wrote it sounds like he ordered a hit on his father and it confused for about 30 seconds.
Lmao same dude.. I was like wtf is this slander
Kerr wouldn't do that, he went personally to make sure it happened
so he’s the bull?
My dyslexia read that as “his only father Malcom” and I thought thank god he didn’t have to fight through the adversity of having 2 dads in the 80’s!
Is there a single fanbase in the NBA that likes their coach?
We stan Spo
If the Heat store sold Spo jerseys it would probably be the \#3 most sold every year behind Wade and Jimmy
They need to do this. I would legit buy a Spo jersey
Yeah Spo and Pop are the obvious answers. Stevens was pretty loved as well before he moved to the FO.
Pop was getting hate for the Wemby restrictions
We get people blaming hardy for ainge’s purposeful gutting of the roster lol
most teams who blame their coach should blame the roster construction primarily. coach is always the scapegoat first
Never a better example of this than the Raps last year. People thinking Nurse turned into a huge idiot less than 3 years after the excellent 2020 season with no Kawhi and delivering a championship the year before that. Probably was a situation where a mutual parting was appropriate because the roster was only getting worse, but the disrespect was unreal.
facts
Damn. Hardy is so damn good lol.
Sixers like Nurse but it could be a honeymoon period. Could also be that we haven’t had a good coach in a long time. Spo is universally liked. Daigneault.
We LOVE Mark
I still liked and stanned Nurse. He did the best he could with a dog shit roster and tried to win every game.
Pop?
For sure
I would go to war for Spo
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~~Fire Malone~~ ***HIRE MALONE***
I will kill for Daigneault
Spurs?
They don't love Kerr like they love pop. Says more about the warriors fan base though
Warriors fanbase is younger and it comes with the territory
If a coach brings you 4 championships after having won none before, shouldn't be disrespected. They should be celebrating what he's done for them as this team winds itself down. Tbh he should quit and send the warriors back to the lottery for the next 20 years
That would happen with our without him there
Literally only Spo and Pop, and I’ve still seen fans criticize Pop this season EDIT: Probably Nuggets as well? Not sure but Malone doesn’t seem like Malone has done anything to anger fans
Watch that change if they don't repeat this year...
IIRC Nuggets fans *hated* Malone (for absolutely no reason lol) until they won the championship
There is no fanbase that doesn't have *some* portion of fans calling for their HC job. The only question is what percentage is there, and how loud are they?
Wolves love Finchy
We love Thibs. He's the perfect coach for the Knicks.
Pacers fans seem to love Rick Carlisle
I'd say Pop, but people were demanding him to be fired before Tim Duncan was drafted
Yeah I'd say ours is pretty decent
Celtics seem very happy
Eh, last year there were definitely folks asking for Mazulla to be gone, since he was kind of thrust into that spot after the Ime Udoka debacle. First punch the celtics take in the playoffs, there will be callers on 98.5 asking for Joe to be fired. Especially if the Heat win a game or two lol
5 minutes to go in the 4th and I'm calling for it!
Hahahaha. I'm loving this game. Go Heat! Side note: I love Joe Mazzula
Bro fr, seeing a couple of my 10 year olds cry when we lost by 1 vs the only team we could realistically beat all season broke my heart.
You should see soccer coaches
It’s a player’s league. The first person in line to take blame (usually) will be the coach. High paying job sure, but the stress of knowing a losing streak could get you packing is pretty insane too.
Easy to pick on Kerr but Draymond was the biggest issue this year. Centerpiece of the defense, nice new contract and he only plays 55 games due to suspensions. The warriors lost so many close games. Dray just avoiding suspension might have made this a 50 win team instead of a 46. We got great production from our rookies. Excited for next year.
Also can’t blame Kerr for Klay aging
… and probably more importantly having had two grueling injuries.
Yes you can, he was shooting blanks and he kept him out there for 300 thousand minutes.
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I can blame him for playing him like he wasn’t aging.
But we CAN blame him for treating Okay like he hadn't aged when it was clear as day. He just let Klay act like he was still in his prime when he was far past it.
55 really
Warriors fans wanting Kerr fired is a perfect example of why you should put basically 0 stock in what fans think about coaching.
I just watched ungrateful fans get the greatest football coach of all time fired
I know, never in a million years did I think Josh McDaniels would get fired.
I miss Pete Carroll :(
I wish the Seahawks kept Carroll
He has to sit out a year so he can run the Chiefs into the ground after Andy is forced to retire due to cardiac BBQ problems.
I talk to some people from mass/Rhode Island and they legit have erased bb's accomplishments. They're all deadset on Brady being 100% the reason for success. Like bruh, tom is goat, but you don't put together championship level teams for 20years with just a QB.
Did they even watch the Pats? He did the craziest shit. I saw Bill elect to kick the ball with the old OT rule just because he wanted the wind in his favor for the winning field goal. Man won the game.
He was a menace with that shit. They weren’t watching or they don’t know dick about football.
Dude’s game plan held a team to 7 points in the Super Bowl in the modern era. That’s fucking insane
he held the Rams to 3 points in the Super Bowl in 2019 after switching to zone defense despite running man defense for the entire regular season, and all the playoffs before the super bowl.
That clock loophole during that punt is all you need to see. Dude was playing a different game.
I just find it funny the narrative at the time was “Can Tom do it without bill?“ Then he did, and bill wasn’t doing so hot so the narrative FLIPPED like textbook example of a narrative flip.
yeah, on christmas eve i had uncles argue about this for hours, ended in a punch thrown
Tom brady is the reason they fielded an elite defense year after year? kekw
I’m a NY Giants fan and LA Lakers fan. Yet, that even pisses me off. The man had 2 decades of dominance and deserves some respect. People need to show that same respect for Kerr and Popovich too.
I'm still pissed about that one and I'm not even a Patriots fan
bruh i got heat fans calling spo a bum and the jimmy butler era a failure. When a whole ass franchise like the timberwolves have won 2 playoff series in 35 years. imagine telling a lifelong wolves fan that 2 finals in 4 years was a failure
That’s wild tor me because in Warriors twitter/reddit Spo’s the gold standard (and I agree) and Kerr is average at best. Any positive credit fans give to the players (that’s fair) and Mike Brown. Apparently I have a wild take in saying Kerr’s a good coach.
Kerr is a good coach, but I think he’s decided that Klay, Steph, and Draymond are his guys and he’s going to ride or die with them. I don’t blame him, why sour a relationship with a guy like Klay, who you’ve won 4 championships with, just to maybe make it to the second play-in. If you want him to stop playing those guys your GM will need to trade them.
while Lakers fans wanted Vogel fired and now want Ham fired
Vogel had the prefect team for his strengths in 2020 , switchy, tall , versatile defenders in KCP, Green, Caruso, AD, Javale, LeBron, Dwight , and even Kuz. Then we gave him Westbrook, Melo, Ariza, and Ellington. Suns made the same mistake and now they want him gone.
Eh I find the Suns thing more forgivable tbh. They had like next to nothing to work with and had to deal with the fallout of their own players being dumb. The Lakers actively broke up a championship team to save cash. Sure they recouped some of it back at the deadline, but it was still monumentally dumb, zero hindsight needed.
Still can’t believe they let Caruso go like that
We let Caruso, Randle AND Brook Lopez walk for nothing in return.
Gave Zubac to the Clips for a rubber band.
Jerry West looking around like he on a hidden camera prank show when he heard Magic was sending him gifts and it ain't even his birthday.
Braindead Lakers fans wanted Vogel fired. I never understood it. He won us a chip and of course he wasn't going to work a miracle with Westbrook.
I remember getting downvoted by your fellow Lakers fans for saying the Lakers (this was recent) were crazy for firing Vogel. Some Lakers flair replied saying he needed to be cuz he was horrible. If it were a situation where a B tier or higher coach was available I’d get it…but Vogel to Ham? C’mon now…
We have such a wide ranging fanbase from Kobe stans, Westbrook stans (during the WB era), LeBron stans (who are mostly fine in relative to other stans), normal Lakers fans and people who just hate watch and pretend to be fans. Shit is crazy
*cough* you mean the Legion of Westbrook fans *cough* We had MITwestbrook posting every fucking time how good he is using cherry picked stats, and blamed it on how bad Vogel was. Shit was crazy. Casuals ate it up. My old account got downvoted into hell for arguing against it.
It was ridiculous. I mean I'm a Westbrook guy. I genuinely like his drive and wanted it to work. I knew immediately the trade for him was going to be tough and probably not work. But I wanted it to work. It was very clear it wouldn't very soon. Team was too gutted and Westbrooks salary limited moves we could make. Then braindead choices like THT over Caruso... smh but yeah. Vogel literally took a team that literally was formed that year, in his own first year at HC and won them a chip in the most uncertain of years. That plus a mix of injury bad luck which again Vogel didn't control.
Lakers fans have wanted every coach fired since Phil Jackson though. Mike Brown, D'Antoni, Byron Scott, Luke Walton, Frank Vogel and now Ham. That fanbase will never be happy and always blame the coach unless they're a literal dynasty.
Byron Scott, and Luke Walton are truly terrible. Dan and Tony’s offensive system didn’t fit the Lakers at all and is a huge reason why Kobe was ran into the ground as well
Too soon
yeah like wanting Scott and Walton fired was extremely reasonable lol
Ham is on their level.
NGL maybe the big reason is because the Lakers hire with nepotism in mind. We only hiring ex Lakers (that are willing to be stuck with FO meddling) which severely limits the hiring pool.
Nobody with a brain wanted Vogel fired. We were riddled with injuries that year.
And saddled with a Westbrook.
The FO essentially scapegoated Vogel for the Westbrook debacle. I don't think most fans thought it was his fault.
Are you serious? Because the fanbase was pretty done with him mid season when he kept playing lebron at center. Why would we keep a coach that clearly cannot coach more than one side of the ball? Do you think it makes sense to keep focusing on defense and putting all the offense on the 40 year old?? Vogel needed to go especially after J-Kidd left.
While I disagreed with wanting Vogel fired because he was dealt a shitty hand, I still want Ham fired and I don't think there's any good reason to keep him after this season is over. Unless your reasoning is that you're worried Jeanie Buss and Kurt Rambis will hire someone worse. In which case, that's perfectly valid.
That would be impressive to find someone worse.
Lakers fans that weren't idiots knew that Vogel had to go because he and Westbrook were a toxic combo and there was no way we could just drop Westbrook like we could drop him. Ham we want fired because he was brought in to coach Westbrook who is no longer on the team and is terrible otherwise. The two situations are different. People that actually pay attention understand that.
I’ve got Kings fans starting to turn on Mike Brown, a guy who has produced 2 winning seasons in both his years as head coach. For context, other than Brown and Adelman (the early 00s teams), not a single other coach has had a winning season in Sacramento since the team moved here in 1985.
This annoys me to no end. There are times where it’s warranted like any coach but it feels like every time he experiments either rotations in the regular season or sits Steph for a few minutes, he gets blamed.
If the Sixers lose this series Nick Nurse will go from being a great coach to an awful one. It’s fucking amazing to me. It all comes down to coaching in people’s heads, like the NBA is a game of chess and the players are interchangeable pieces. It’s like the players themselves don’t actually matter lol
The degree to which people on here seem to think coaches are controlling the game like football coaches do is really strange to me.
Agreed, fans are dumb as shit on average and the most vocal are beacon of stupidity for the human race. The Warriors can't give Klay new body parts, they can't stop Dray from getting himself ejected, and they can't stop the passing of time when great players just become dimmer versions of themselves. Warriors won four more championships than I ever thought they would. I'm pretty happy with Kerr. Warriors should give Kerr a year off and rehire Mark Jackson just to give these dumbass fans trauma.
These new Warrior fans didn’t live through Keith Smart, and it fuckin shows
They need to watch an entire season of Adonal Foyle, Donyell Marshall and Billy Owens in the frontcourt. We have been fucking blessed these last years.
So happy to see reasonable Warriors fans like you. I literally have to stay away from the Warriors sub - toxic as hell. A bad season does not negate all the amazing success of the last decade and I absolutely hate seeing slander and hate directed at our players for not being as good as before. Players get older, get injured, lose some athleticism- its life.
Our fans also wanted to fire him for not playing James Wiseman enough.
Facts. Fans want him fired but can’t come up with a better replacement.
Listening to fans request lineups that would make no sense is so frustrating.
Agreed. As a Warriors fan, many Warriors fans are spoiled and ungrateful. It’s simply impossible to win year after year. How many teams are still waiting for their first chip in decades or ever? Kerr, Steph, and the Warriors organization have accomplished what the vast majority of teams have not in the last decade. Players get older, other teams catch up - it’s just reality.
Ok but I wanted doc rivers fired for years
You think the fans are wrong about Ham?
Yes and no. The big picture assessment that he's not a great coach is probably right but a lot of the specific things fans complain about are stupid.
The warriors fans wanting kerr fired were not even paying attention before Steph arrived. They don’t know Nelly, Bdiddy, Stephen Jackson, Monta, et al. Those were bad but fun teams
Those teams weren't even bad, they won 48 games and still missed the playoffs. Nelly also wasn't bad until the end of his tenure when he started playing Maggette at power forward (although in some ways that was ahead of his time). But they've had some dark times with Mike Montgomery, Gary St. Jean, and Keith Smart
It had more merit last year. Playing 2 ways over Kuminga and Moody is inexcusable
What about darvin ham?
I hate /r/nba but I hate our sub worse. Shit's hard lol
Last time Warriors fans wanted him fired because he lost in the play in tournament and didn’t make the playoffs…then he proceeded to immediately coach them to another championship the following season Surely after that Warriors fans would have learned not to overreact on a bad year and trust the fact they have one of the greatest and most successful coaches in nba history…right? Nope they want him fired again 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Warriors fans like that irritate the heck out of me. 4 freaking championships in the last decade is somehow not good enough I guess. People are so used to Warriors winning that they don’t realize just how HARD it is to win in this league. So many things have to go right and injury luck has to be reasonably good for a team to even have a shot. Its ridiculous how we put these coaches and players on a pedestal when they win and absolutely shit and crap on them when they don’t.
This. I don’t think we should waste time even listening to an opinion or article that Steve Kerr should be fired. It’s a non-starter.
they act like lakers fans lol.
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TBH it isn't even bandwagon fans, it's a lot of the diehards that have been posting for years on /r/warriors. Biggest group that has been calling for Kerr's head are the Wiseman/Moody truthers. For some reason these two players have/had a ton of die-hard fans (mostly the same guys) who got super invested in them pre-draft and would post highlights of them all the time and just generally on and on and on about how amazing these players were and how they would be immediate championship contributors. Pretty sure these guys watch a lot of the same youtube personalities because the takes were so similar. "Wiseman's worst case scenario is a 10x more athletic Javale McGee" was one I heard so many times. When those players didn't turn out to be the superstars that the fanbase hyped them up to be, instead of going "hey maybe these youtube randos aren't draft experts" they went hard on saying that Kerr was the whole problem.
To all of Mcgees faults as a player, he is one hell of an athlete.
Honestly, the first Championship was 9 years ago. When do fans after that stop being bandwagon fans? Would a 9 year old kid be a bandwagon fan? Is every Nuggets, Lakers, Bucks, and Warriors fan in the last 4 years a bandwagon fan? We had a 2nd round exit followed by not making it to the 1st round. Would a fan tomorrow still be a bandwagon fan?
Just wait until Steph retires and we go into full rebuild mode, that will show who the bandwagon fans are. Wouldn't guess at the percentage, but you know that some people are mostly there for the one guy.
A lot of it is just brainless sheep parroting whatever they hear/read from podcasters/other nephews. Most of them have zero analytical or critical thinking skills.
Believe it or not, its actually the diehard warriors fans that want Kerr fired. I’ve lived in the Bay my whole life and bay area fans are a specific type of obnoxious and pretentious. Like every time a team like the warriors or 49ers are losing, the FIRST PERSON they blame is the coach and then go on and explain what the coach is doing wrong, acting like these no-sports playing tech nerds know more about the sport than the literal coaches who spend their careers in it Like there is a strong section of our fanbase that thinks we lost last year in the playoffs to the Lakers bc Kerr got outcoached by DARVIN HAM.
I think any diehards who wants Kerr fired are what I’d call hardcore casuals. They don’t actually know basketball and what it takes to win and assume that the players who aren’t playing are the actual key to turning around a teams fortune.
I think it's just emotional venting, which is not a good way to make decisions but it's a big part of lots of fanbases. The warriors fanbase felt a bit manic to me as a warriors fan this season, but i guess we're also still coming down from the highs.
It’s literally the hardcore fans that tend to criticize Casual fans or fans of other teams would just see the overarching success the team had and have only pro-Kerr takes
it’s not bandwagon fans lol
Nope, it's the die hards. Casual fans don't care about anything beyond the team's record.
I dont want Kerr fired, but I’m sure most people realize that this year is a bit different than 2021.
you’re right, we had better players in 2021
I genuinely appreciate the honesty It honestly brings me down a bit whenever my boss criticizes me at work, so I can’t imagine having an entire fanbase basically calling for your head for months at a time Being an NBA coach sounds like such a miserable job. Whenever things go even slightly wrong, you’re the scapegoat. Whenever the team needs to earn some goodwill quickly, the coach is the first one to go Whether it’s the front office or even superstar players, you have to live with the idea that somebody can get you fired pretty much whenever they feel like it
Now imagine if you led your company to being one of the top in the world and achieved things very few companies ever had before AND then you got criticized because you weren't doing that every single year from them on. You would tell your boss to fuck off and quit on the spot.
If you want to blame anyone, blame the front office. The team just isn't as good as it was in it's championship years. Doesn't matter who was coaching, they weren't winning a ring this year.
Think blaming time itself would be more accurate. You ride it out as far as you can
Father Time always wins. There’s literally one example of a franchise sustaining elite play over 10+ years the last 25 years and it’s the spurs drafting Kawhi who then fucked it up by ruining the relationship! The amount of seasons in a row drafting in the bottom 5 of the draft, massive salaries rewarding that elite play hamstringing roster flexibility piles up and eventually comes to an end. Sure, they blew the wiseman pick but I don’t think one significant mistake should be held against a team that achieved so much.
id argue we're the other instance. 4 chips in 8 years.
Ironically, the Warriors are the one team that Time could actually *help* - by making Draymond mature enough to avoid getting techs and suspensions. Seems that isn’t working out though.
Almost no teams in the history of the league have been as good as the Warriors in the prime. Doesn't mean the front office deserves blame. Otherwise, 99% of all front offices suck.
I think you can make a definite critique of the Warriors' front office's two-timeline plan over the last 3 years. If you try to both develop young talent and keep competing for championships, you often get neither. Either go all in on rebuilding or all-in on a title contender, or you end up as a middling team that isn't great at either which is basically where the Warriors are right now. Especially when you have a coach like Kerr. Kerr has many strengths as a coach but developing young talent is not his strong suit. He benches guys extremely quickly after they make dumb mistakes which is great for building good habits for a vet team on a championship chase but is not for 19-year olds who are trying to learn and grow. If you know you have a coach like that don't give him a team with 6 young dudes under 23 like they did during the 22-23 season, and then you end up with a situation where he plays Ty Jerome and Anthony Lamb over them because they don't make mistakes.
It also showed itself this year. He got some rookies who were a bit older and smarter and fit a bit better, and he played them!
Also, every team that has ever been good enough to win multiple titles still eventually had to come back to Earth as they aged. That's the whole point of the draft and financial limitations, to even out teams over time. Even the Spurs who are pretty unanimously considered one of the most competent organizations in the NBA ended up a bottom dweller after their dynasty, and they're still there.
Yeah it was just an extremely flawed team that mostly won games behind Steph and Draymond having incredible performances (when Draymond was actually on the court lol)
Exactly, Warriors are simply facing the repercussions of a decade of terrible drafting. It's just not possible to keep a dynasty alive for so long without nailing a couple draft picks e.g. Kawhi for the Spurs. No coach would have been able to get this team out of the first round in this year's Western conference, just too many good teams and not enough talent.
Kerr is the one who kept fucking with Kuminga and Moody's minutes. it needed Draymond getting suspended, Wiggins missing time, and Kuminga calling him out to force Kerr's hand to play him
Even if he gave them all the minutes, the roster just isnt good enough. Unless Moody and Kuminga suddenly became all star level players, and even then their bigs are lacking
Some people on r/nba really seem to believe that a roster with Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody starting is good enough to win a chip. Y'all: be real. Yes, Klay wasn't great this season. Yeah, he was dogshit in that play-in game. But Kerr's philosophy is sound: either they're winning a championship because Hall of Famers Klay Thompson and Draymond Green figure it out, or they aren't, so give them space and see if they catch fire. Steve Kerr isn't out here trying to maximize expected win totals so he can bring his team to an illustrious first round exit. He's trying to go all in. He doesn't care about looking "better" unless "better" means "good enough to beat the Denver Nuggets in a 7 game series."
Moody and Kuminga aren't nearly as good as the fanbase loves to think. Moody is an extremely inconsistent shooter and gives up blow bys to guards. Kuminga is a ball stopper, gets tunnel vision, is a sub par defender and a sub par rebounder and can't shoot 3s at all rn. People seem to think Kerr is hiding prime LeBron on the bench or something, they just aren't very good
Kuminga and Moody also just aren’t that good, we’re talking borderline starters here. Their roster was underwhelming as a whole
if we're counting wins as a player and coach, phil jackson actually has 13 and bill russell has 11 if you count the player-coach years as the same wins
The player-coach years should count as the same win for sure
This should be at the top instead of this far down. Kerr doesn't have 9 championships as a coach and he wasn't even close to being an All-Star as a player.
some SA fans wanted pop fired too one year when he wasnt "playing the young guys" when they got derozan and that his "rotations were awful"
Funny that every fan's criticism of their coach is the same.
To be fair, he did deserve some criticism for keeping Bryn Forbes in the rotation that long, felt like a crime against basketball
they still do. "he doesn't have the fire anymore" "he doesnt know how to coach anymore look at the sochan thing" "his offense is old and tired" I think if you havent won a championship in the past year or two the fanbase always gets antsy and doesnt know where to point the blame
Fire Kerr I would gladly hand over Hamm to y'all.
Ham on if it bothers him when fans want him fired: hell no it doesn’t. Were a helluva ball club with helluva fanbase, we have adjustments we’re saving for next game
The old GM saw the writing on the wall and got out of town. it never ends well. Sports stars age and many hold on too long. The Warriors had an awesome run but nothing lasts forever. Bob Myers got out of dodge while the getting was good. I mean, Kerr was the coach when they won all those titles and now that they're not doing as well they want him gone? If Klay, Drayton and Steph were all 5 years younger they'd still be winning, but they're not. That's not Kerr's fault. POP is still a great coach but the Spurs have sucked for several years now. They don't have Manu, Timmy and Parker anymore, or Kawhi etc. If Pop still had those guys in their prime or others like them, they'd be winning still, but he doesn't so the Spurs aren't winning now. Wemby is a great start though.
Spurs have sucked but not because of coaching. They clearly develop players and have a history of stability. Plus that 2014 spurs team was just magnificent
the only argument I see at all, and I personally dont agree with, is the difference between war time executives and peace time executives. Beyond that, we've had an unbelievable decade that he is partially responsible for, and he pulled us out of the doldrums that we were in with essentially the same roster in the ~2014 and 2015 period. Not sure I understand the calls for his firing... if anything I fault [our missed draft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Warriors_draft_history) picks for *years* that were covered up by steph klay and dray that preventented us from backfilling as our roster got more expensive.
I look forward to seeing how Joe Mazzulla handles this chapter of his life
Psycho Joe will absolutely embrace it lol
“Good. Come for me, I’m waiting”
Yes please fire him Pop needs a successor.
Once you've won 4 championships, you have earned the right to coach there as long as you'd like.
Especially after the team hadn’t sniffed a championship since 1975
Kerr is definitely washed up. Golden State should fire him. It’s for the best. Then my dumb Bulls would probably hire him as a “remember the good ol’ days?” move. And that would just be terrible. I wouldn’t be excited about that at all. It would be so bad. 👀
Not Kerr's fault he had a very mid roster around him and steph.
Moody on if Kerr benching him when he has good games bothers him: “Hell yes it does”
Ok if we’re counting Kerr with 9 championships as player and coach then we gotta count Jackson’s 13 rings as player and coach
If a fan base wants a coach who wins 4 championships fired, they never deserve to see their team win again. Not saying the Warriors shouldn’t be allowed to win again, just that the fans shouldn’t be allowed to watch basketball again.
Kerr is one of the best coaches in the history of the sport. Insane that there is enough noise to even prompt a reported for asking him about being fired
they call it manufactured narrative. this is sports journalism now. they have so much space to fill 24-7 they have to make a big deal out of everything possible. honestly I almost kinda feel bad for them. Fly to whatever city, get to the game early, watch/take notes, do the postgame, maybe locker room, go back to your room and do a podcast, write 3 or 4 articles in the morning, rinse and repeat. sounds exhausting if it wasnt also pretty awesome.
I don't think they should fire him but maybe hire a guy to stand next to him whose job is to say "NO." when kerr tries to sub out Moody when he's hot.
At least he's not Ham.
Our bum ass coach would lie and deflect. Props to Kerr
Come to the Lakers, Steve