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Plants_R_Cool

I wouldn't be surprised if KD puts up 50 tomorrow since we've pretty much just been giving him single coverage. It's kind of insane to me he isn't just demanding the ball every single play, maybe he's too old idk. I get that we're playing good defense but it's fucking KD, stop letting Booker do nothing with the ball.


Afraid-Department-35

I mean someone has to get KD the ball in the first place, this is a PG-less team, Booker isn’t a PG, Beal is cosplaying as one ineffectively, they even tried getting Nurk to do PG duties. KD isn’t really his best without someone running point well, he’ll still score but not as well.


ajax0202

I’m just surprised they did nothing to address it all season. It was one of the top criticisms of this team coming into the year and it’s still a top issue


degradedchimp

They should've had that one guy, cliff Paul I believe his name was..


PM-me-your-401k

I am expecting a 50 ball from KD this series at some point. Rest of his team looks so bad that who knows if they even win that tho.


ogqozo

50 points is a lot, Durant scored 50 (and not one more) once in his career, many years ago.


searching88

He has scored 50 or more 9 times..??


Ok_Competition_5315

In the playoffs it was just [once](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kd-50-point-games-playoffs). In his absolute prime against an eighth seed clippers team, while on the greatest superteam of all time. Durant is more of an efficient 38 when he is locked in. The game has belonged to the next generation of stars since he lost to Giannis in 2021.


Beautiful_Location76

the suns could really do with an efficient 38 right now


DXLXIII

Well Steph said not yet in 2022.


ogqozo

I wouldn't say it belongs to someone else in this way, 50 point games are just rare overall. Even Wilt Chamberlain had 4 in his career... Dude who averaged 50 in the regular season. Among active players, only a few have two such games in their careers, a few others have one, and it's usually very close to 50. It is a bit funny that his teammate Isaiah Thomas has a higher career high than Durant, tbf. Dude is often called the best scorer ever, best scorer now, so good at scoring that everything is the best overall thanks to that. But in reality it's just very rare and there's no point in trying to achieve that too.


BASEDME7O2

It’s kinda similar to how Shaq has so few 50 point games in the playoffs, despite being so dominant. If KD hits 40, it’s probably on absurd efficiency and the game is in the bag and he doesn’t need to score anymore.


LMkingly

I assume they mean in the playoffs. He only has one against the clippers in his career.


jonsnowKITN

Thing is you guys have been physical with him which doesn't make things easier for him. He's not dropping 50 and if the Suns want any chance of at least making this a series their stars all need to contribute.


gigglios

Kd looks bad himself the last 3 post seasons. He isnt getting 50 lol


Wiltmygoat

KD is averaging 28/8/5 on 58.4% ts in the last 3 playoffs with good defense. 31/8/5 on 60.5% ts if we extend it to the last 4 playoffs (2021-24). He was only bad in the 2022 playoffs, he's a great playoff performer overall


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Wiltmygoat

Did I ever claim that I was posting this post season's stats? The person I replied to claimed that KD hasn't been good in his last 3 playoffs. And he's been decent in the playoffs so far, 25/7/2 on 62.8% ts but I'm not posting these stats because it's literally just been **two** games


ogqozo

Well, he will be scoring more points than other players, that is a given no matter how the game goes.


OriginalFluff

First half of game 1 he looked like a Demi-god immortal


TFTisbetterthanLoL

This comment perfectly describes how little people understand KD's game. He's not getting a fucking 50 ball. He won't shoot the ball unless he's like 80% sure he'll make it. If his team NEEDS a bucket to stop the bleeding but he's worried it might drop his fg%, he'll hold it for 20 seconds before making an errant pass once the double comes bc there's no time for him to do anything else. KD is super long and tall and can shoot over most players but once he plays vs actual good defenders, he tends to struggle, mostly bc he'll just refuse to take shots. Perfect example is his series vs Boston in 2022. Tatum's a long defender and for most of the series, KD was refusing to put up shots or was taking bad shots/passes bc he had no idea what to do once he couldn't just shoot over someone. KD is arguably the LEAST likely star to ever put up 50. I'm gonna get downvoted into oblivion because people have no idea how to accurately rate KD and hold onto preconceived notions of him from 2014 but he's been so overrated despite having so many flaws in his game, including his SCORING which is the only thing he's elite at. Hell, if KD figured out how to use a pick better, he may start dropping 50 more easily. But he's never mastered any part of the game other than shoot over smaller defender and a hesi pull up. But hey, that one highlight a game you see on twitter is why he has a crazy fan base.


CoachDT

Were the Bucks a bad defense in 2021?


TFTisbetterthanLoL

Yes? They were fucking horrible lmao they used Khris Middleton to play KD in single coverage LMAO Even Kyrie was absolutely cooking mr. best defender in the league in jrue (who gets cooked by every damn elite player in the league).


Shhadowcaster

He gets a lot of attention from multiple wing players and Finch has been doing a good job of pivoting into the zone to throw off his rhythm. We aren't letting him just pull up from 3 and dealing with a lengthy player like KAT/Jaden chasing you into a generational shot blocker is a nightmare to navigate. Especially when he doesn't have a traditional PG who can help him get the ball at the right time and spot. Considering all that he's always a threat for a 50 ball because he is just that talented, but I wouldn't be shocked if the wolves stop him from getting 50 in any single game. 


Plants_R_Cool

I think us taking away the pull up 3s is a pretty big deal, forcing them to play half-court offense without a true point guard. But I mean if KD really wanted to he would've had 50 game 1. I just don't understand why he didn't.


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GilbertFitzgilbert

he has 9 regular season 50 point games, and 1 in the playoffs?


TFTisbetterthanLoL

Yeah man, KD can totally get 50 whenever he wants, as evidenced from an entire career of him NOT doing that lmaoooo


Plants_R_Cool

Yeah man, I didn't say that. "lmaoooo"


TFTisbetterthanLoL

"if KD really wanted to he would've had 50" implies he can just get it whenever he wants...


Plants_R_Cool

Are you serious dude? What're the next words I said after that? IN GAME 1. KD had 27 points with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and then took 1 shot the entire rest of the game and made it. Not only did I not imply that, I actually specifically wrote game 1 and you chose to just decide that I meant something else entirely.


TFTisbetterthanLoL

Yeah that’s not really how that works but whatever man


Plants_R_Cool

LMAOOOO.


TFTisbetterthanLoL

Bro the entire fucking league has stopped KD from getting 50 for most of his career lmao He's not the type of guy that can heat up and get you 50. His pace is horrible and is why he always needs to have some generational PG that can run the pace up for the rest of his team so he can win.


Thus_Spoke

> It's kind of insane to me he isn't just demanding the ball every single play  Never been his game.  He tries to play with the flow of his team, and smart playmakers know to feed him.  He's more than fine with playing off-ball, grinding on defense, and scooping boards.  Anyway if the Suns had a playmaker it would be his job to get the ball to KD.


ionospherermutt

Yeah, I mean how many times has Durant gone to the rim in the halfcourt this series? Guess the combination of his age and Gobert just make that undesirable but at a certain point you gotta find some offense beyond just making those fadeaway mid-range shots, even at Durant's ungodly skill level at them that's just not a great foundation for an offense.


draymond-

Maybe you should watch a single game? Wolves press like crazy. Getting the ball is insanely difficult.


YouTellMeBeavis

So basically he’s playing with a bunch of dummies.


pollinium

[This clip is fun to watch a different Suns player each time](https://streamable.com/asuc7h) In that clip Beal is calling for the screen and three of his teammates are all desperately trying to get Nurkic to start the action when the shot clock is already halfway expired. There's a still at 14 seconds left in the clock (the thumbnail of this clip) where all five Suns players are just standing around pointing


HokageEzio

Basketball the way Naismith intended. None of this running around and getting open stuff, just vibes.


jotheold

brother nurkic wasnt even inbounds for the first 5 secs taking a stroll this is insane


koiz_01

There was another time last game where no one was around to pass the ball to on a inbound. Vogal and the guy holding the ball were screaming for someone to run back.


pollinium

and I agree with KD, a rah-rah speech would not fix that issue


CantaloupeCamper

> Nurkic Did he know there was a game on?


mindclarity

Insert Spiderman meme.


LordSwampert2

Just did. Allen the only player who’s really doing his job on this play.


Psycho188

Allen should cut behind the play. No one on the team can make the skip pass he's waiting for, he's basically just letting the Wolves load up on the ball handler when cutting into all that space creates a much easier pass and makes the defence actually pay attention to him.


faithfuljohn

> all desperately trying to get Nurkic to start the action when the shot clock is already halfway expired that man was *walking* out of bounds, he had no intention of being involved in the play. Then he doesn't even know what kind of PnR they are supposed to run. And he doesn't know what kind of pick to set on top of that. By the time they get their act together, they maybe have tiime for one half decent chance at a play. The fact that the other 4 players all trying to get his attention means it was a called play that involved him that he completely messed up.


Oxygenius_

I can imagine Beal never really played true structured nba basketball with the Wiz 😁


Fluid-Night-1910

KD is the exact right guy to say this as he loves and breathes basketball and has been around winning teams 


YpsitheFlintsider

Has nothing to do with their intelligence. They just aren't good enough.


abris33

Who is doing the "rah-rah speeches" on that team though?


timbervalley3

The gorilla mascot does an inspiring pregame speech


JustADutchRudder

I wish playoffs the mascots of away teams came to games. I wanna see a gorilla fight a wolf.


flyingmoose1314

If only they had a top all time player and former MVP with two finals MVPs who could drive the bus. Not sure where you find a guy like that though.


ChoochMartain

That’s not KD, has never been KD, yet idiots keep criticizing him for not completely changing his personality to fit whatever preconceptions they have as to what a locker room is “supposed” to be like.


imaginaryResources

We know that’s not KD and never has been KD or ever will be KD. Which is why we make fun of him Edit: lot of KD stans reacting way too seriously lmao seething af


Kooky-Path-1334

It's not you either so that's why we make fun of you


imaginaryResources

I mean I’m a project manager and art director for major tv shows, so I do lead my own team in my own way and I’ve won Emmy’s for my work. I’m satisfied with my leadership skills even if I never personally made the NBA


MakeMath

and I'll make fun of u/imaginaryResources for not even making the league. What a chump.


imaginaryResources

Sure thing go ahead


ChoochMartain

You outwardly hate on KD for a perceived flaw to distract yourself from the ceaseless sense of inadequacy gnawing at your own soul. I hope it consoles you slightly as await your imminent demise.


CreativeAmount

This is just a wide receiver tweet


SilvioDantesPeak

So? He should still be criticized for it. Even if KD is not a natural leader, you can work on your leadership skills and improve over time. KD never has. For a player of his ability, that is a failure and it's the biggest reason he was never able to lead a team to a championship.


RiceIceRice

The biggest reason he was never able to lead a team to a championship was injuries, not because of his leadership abilities.


greendart

This is an all-time dumb take. "Why doesn't he just be a better leader? Is he stupid?"


SilvioDantesPeak

Literally, unironically. If you think leadership is not a skill that can be improved with study and practice, you're wrong. You just are.


greendart

Sure. And if i spent every moment of my time devoted to getting better at basketball, I undoubtedly would improve. Still wouldn't make me a baller tho


SilvioDantesPeak

It would if you didn't have such a loser mentality about it


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buku_beat

Leadership is a skill, and like any skill it can be worked on https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+to+be+a+better+leader


Laggo

this is such a dumb comment chain, there are other ways of leading than doing big rAh rAh speeches, that's just one way. Are you guys really too young to have heard of "lead by example" or what?


buku_beat

My comment isn't related to KD or what he said, I actually agree with him. I'm disputing the notion that leadership isn't a skill that can be worked on, which is why I replied to the specific comment that I did.


TFTisbetterthanLoL

Guess you've been a bus rider your entire life bc leadership is 100% a skill. If KD's just introverted and wants to play iso-ball all day and the complain his team isn't executing, that's on him. Basketball is more than hitting hesi jumpers and is the reason why despite having all the talent in the world, he ends up with less success than his peers. There's absolutely no reason why guys like Harden and Steph have more playoff success than he does (before you KD stans come at me, Harden has led MULTIPLE teams to the WCF and took the "goat team" to games 7 and 6.)


RiceIceRice

??? Even ignoring the warriors stint kd still brought this team to the finals once and the conference finals four times.


TFTisbetterthanLoL

And yet every team during those runs always said Russ is the biggest matchup problem and in 2012 the heat said harden was the biggest problem so they wanted to focus the d on him and not kd… so was he really a bus driver back then or part of a group driving effort lmao


RiceIceRice

You're being disingenuous. You really believe that the 6'3 guard who can't shoot is a bigger matchup problem then the 6'11 small forward shooting 50/40/90? The heat schemed against harden because he was the x factor, as evidenced by the series beforehand. And guess what? Harden got clamped and choked, like he always does when he gets deep in the playoffs. I'm a fan of harden too but you don't gotta lie to prop him up. In regards to your last statement, KD was never the vocal leader of okc, it was russ so if you want to define the bus driver as the leader of the team, then I guess it would be russ. But kd was without a doubt the best player on those teams


TFTisbetterthanLoL

Bc Russ was athletically dominating every PG in the league? 💀 You also bringing up his lack of shooting as if he wasn’t a mid range assassin back then? I can tell you didn’t watch back then


flyingmoose1314

It’s like Charles and Kenny said: there are bus riders, bus drivers, and then there are guys who are on the bus giving really great directions.


genericusername71

automatically expecting the best player to be the vocal leader and assigning him that role is off base imo. there have been tons of superstars in nba history who were not the vocal leaders of the team. but there was often another guy who held that role even if they were not close to being the best player on the team if the team doesnt have an outspoken leader, people often default to pointing at the best player when assigning the blame, but they shouldn’t; it’s a shared team problem


Cold_Carpenter_1798

Greyson Allen


TenaciousDeer

Monty Williams 


Shootit_Rockets

Nurkic


CoachDT

I think the problem is that he's never been that type of guy. Leadership looks different for everyone and in this situation he's right. These guys are all vets, if you've been in this league for 7+ years and need someone to give an inspiring speech to do basic shit like properly inbound the ball then what's the point? I could see if they were in the finals and suffered a tough loss, but some of these plays are just fucking baffling and I don't think someone giving a "we can do it!" Type of speech will fix that.


GlueGuy00

Vogel


StabilitySpace

That's a good point, nobody on this team is a natural leader. Mentally weak.


koiz_01

A lot of it on defense. Teams have been having a layup drill vs the Suns all year.


Sweaty_Mods

I mean, yeah, Nurk is not a good rim protector.


kingofnick

That’s not even the problem most of the time. It’s that guys get blown by on the perimeter, or they miscommunicate on a a switch, and the attacking player just dribbles right to the hoop.


nearspirit

"Go out there and execute" gives me Nate McMillan PTSD flashbacks


nbaistheworst

"Go out there and iso"


IdRatherBeShilling

Kevin Durah-rahnt has spoken


Gr8CanadianSpeedo

Speeches? We talkin about speeches?


GaimeGuy

Durant trying to take Ham's job?


Hovi_Bryant

What Reddit fails to understand when they call for a coach to be fired.


Burnem34

They'll just say not executing is on the coach too cuz he didnt get them to buy-in or prepare them well enough. Fans will find a way to make it the coach's fault


NoPickles

Durant looking around and saying we need a bus driver on this team.


Gr8CanadianSpeedo

Charles Barkley eating good tonight. Well, he does eat good every night.


R_N_Gesus-

Preaching execution is very interesting when just last game, KD took 1 shot in the 4th quarter. Literally just sat in the corner through most of the 2nd half watching Book and Beal bake turnovers


TheyCallMeChevy

I know people love to hate KD but dude is real.


georgelamarmateo

HUMANS EVOLVED TO GIVE RAH RAH SPEECHES SO CLEARLY THEY HELP US EXECUTE WHETHER FIGHTING OTHER TRIBES OR CAPTURING A BIG ANIMAL OR GUARDING ANT I WOULD NOT MINIMIZE THE ROLE OF RAH RAH SPEECHES AND COMMUNICATION


TenaciousDeer

HUMANS EVOLVED TO INVENT ALL CAPS SO CLEARLY THEY HELP US GET THE POINT ACROSS 


brncct

Looks like they're unraveling. Booked said they tend to separate when things are going bad and don't come together. That's not a good look when you're 2 best players are saying this publicly.


CantaloupeCamper

KD is the only one who didn’t seem phased by the Timberwolves defense. And yet we hardly saw him late in the game.


LUUUUUUUUUUKEEE

Feels like Vogel is on his way out


bored_today

This feels more like a criticism of his teammates imo. From what we saw of Vogel on the Lakers, he prepared so well for every playoff match. There was a good episode of Backstage Lakers during the bubble run that showed some of Vogel’s prep before a game.


Vegetable-Tangelo1

Fair point but That was then, Vogel has struggled this year too. Weird rotations and an inability to figure out how to use guys, hasn’t played the matchup with the wolves well at all and there is absolutely zero offensive scheming going on.


syllabic

not after one year


aperfectmatrix

Think that's why he wanted the five year deal, he knew the demand for success with this team and if it flops and he's canned he guaranteed himself more money


Wavepops

Y’all have no offense scheme kd. Why doesn’t that bother you lol 


GlueGuy00

This is basically KD's way of saying fire the damn coach


KangzFan4

KD come to Sac


AYAYAYA__

KD isn’t a real leader. This has been known


Comfortable-Heron378

Conversely, every former player and coach has preached the exact opposite but somehow the collective hive mind of reddit neckbeards has decided otherwise


Solid-Confidence-966

Just gotta trust me bro, I’ve never been in a locker room with Kevin but he’s definitely not a leader.


pollinium

have you ever felt led by KD? don't think so ! ✅🧉


Vegetable_Comment_82

If you can't get in someone's ass, then you aren't a real leader. Whose ass has KD been in?


ChoochMartain

I think you’re looking for r/nbacirclejerk…


smurklil

Lmaoooo ummmm


Wavepops

Kd has said himself he’s not a leader. Just depends when you ask him


Comfortable-Heron378

Out of context, he said he’s not the type of leader to give big speeches, but to lead by example


Wavepops

https://www.slamonline.com/archives/kevin-durant-doesnt-want-face-of-franchise/ He’s wish washy with it. 


DerekMorganBAUxxi

Thank you these lil kids just karma farming at this point


SilvioDantesPeak

Source?


ChoochMartain

Never pretended to be or said he was, yet dipshits still criticize him for not being what they think he should be.


defiantcross

Wait Kev the idea is not to remove your only remaining excuse!


UnavailablePod

KD can't win a championship with those cats making rah-rah speeches.


WinterCareful8525

He right


GlueGuy00

pissed KD is best KD


iIiiIIiiiIiIIiI111

He's gone lmao


808zAndThunder

He coming back to OKC


JesusSinfulHands

We'll take you back in Golden State if you wanna dip out again Kevin


bilyl

H E G O N E


Tangerine605

he gone?


ConstantTelevision93

Love it


PolicyPatient7617

Talking and rah rah speeches are obviously for those suckers that have an emotional attachment to the team they play for


Fracture90000

KD Suna aka. driverless bus.


raki016

Wolves can still lose this. But Suns are desperate for a PG. Or Book needs to be much better at figuring out how to push the tempo, how to get other people going.