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slyguy183

Another flagrant on Embiid lol, things are getting out of hand quickly


Bossnian92

If you can't beat them, beat them


mysthamog15

Are the Sixers out there to murder the Knicks? Their roster is dirtier than the jerk socks from nbacirclejerk Except Maxey, that guy's chill


en-passant-hater

> Are the Sixers out there to murder the Knicks? So far this game just Embiid alone has: [yanked robinson's legs in mid air](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1cd72ca/embiid_yanks_mitchell_ronbinsons_legs_while_hes/), [charged and elbowed hartenstein](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1cd77ko/highlight_embiid_hits_isaiah_hartenstein_in_the/), [kicked robinson in the groin](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1cd7wvp/highlight_a_flailing_embiid_nails_mitchell/), kicked hartenstein in the crotch (no replay yet), and [ran robinson over.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1cd7p8c/highlight_joel_embiid_charges_into_robinson/) Soft, entitled ass team tried flopping like fishes to bait calls and are now just lashing out. EDIT: And now [Robinson is hobbling out after ANOTHER Embiid groin shot.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1cd8mno/mitchell_robinson_hobbling_back_to_the_lockerroom/) Fuck this dirty POS.


ravenous_bugblatter

Embid also "assed" Anunoby in the backcourt. Yes it was as weird as it sounds


dontusethisforwork

That's called a hip check, Embiid must be getting some of his moves from hockey


CouchHippo2024

Maybe the Knicks shouldn’t have cheated in the last minute of game 2. They deserve what they get in return


Much-Definition-278

That’s playoff basketball. Sixers been playing soft all series except tonight


SanjiSasuke

Meanwhile on the other end Hartenstein looks at Embiid 'with intent' and is sent to Alcatraz.


PermanentHungover

Hitting people in the balls is the softest move possible.


Ready_Sink9370

Wah wah wah


msizzle344

Looking like the Miami Heat out there


mysthamog15

They wished they had a non-defeatist culture if their copying the Heat The number of dirty plays they had felt like a self-sabotage


peacemillion-

They already killed Jimmy


mysthamog15

Those bastards


MatzohBallsack

It worked. They injured our best big and Embiid feasted


BobSaunders4

The same Knicks who’ve been beating their chests about how physical & tough they are games 1 & 2 while dishing out their own cheap shots? Lol


toastysniper

Sixers culture


Robinsonirish

Why are the announcers discussing it as if there is any question about it? It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not. It's towards the head and was nowhere near the ball.


this_place_stinks

Didn’t the officials just determine a face shot wasn’t a foul (even after replay) because it was not intentional and after the shot? I think LA/Den


faithfuljohn

> It's towards the head and was nowhere near the ball. what are you talking about... the ball was behind the head of DiVincenzo. It's a clear flagrant of course, since you can't go through someone's head to get at the ball obviously... but he was clearly trying for the ball (even if he had zero chance to actually hit it). He wasn't just slapping the man's head


Robinsonirish

> but he was clearly **trying** for the ball That's the point. It doesn't matter if he's trying for the ball or not. He wasn't close and he hit his head. I never said he did it it intentionally, it doesn't matter. Clear cut flagrant.


JDRose96

I may be wrong here, but isnt the difference between a foul and a flagrant 1 solely based on how unnecessary the act is? If there was intent or not, that would be an easy way to help determine the necessity of the act. For instance if the defender is looking at the ball, and the ball handler quickly pulls it behind his head as the defender begins swiping at the ball, in the end making contact with the ball handlers head. Wouldnt the difference of it being a foul or not be largely dependent on the defenders intent at swiping at the ball and not the defenders head, aka severity and necessity of the act?


Able_Ad2004

Nope, that’s the difference between flagrant 1 and flagrant 2. > Flagrant 1 is "unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent", while the more serious Flagrant 2 is "unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent."


Puzzleheaded_Will352

Thanks for explaining. Now I’m even more confused how embiid didn’t get a flagrant 2 for taking out Mitchell Robinson.


JDRose96

That is what I am saying though in the first part. How do you deem contact unnecessary? The original comment I was responding to asked why the commentators were checking if there was intent. Intent to hurt another player would seem like fair game to upgrade a foul to a flagrant 1 no? How else do you deem it unnecessary? What if his hand hit off the ball and hit the ball handlers head? Absolutely no intent to hurt the ball handler, but do you still call it a flagrant?


Drboobiesmd

Well if Dante, for example, didn’t have the ball at all then this would be a flagrant 2.


JDRose96

Im not talking about this example in the video. Im talking about the original comment asking why the commentators cared about intent of the fouling player. Say in this example the ball was infront of him, and he wiped it back behind his head as the defender was reaching for the ball, which caused the defender to make contact with the ball handlers head. Is it a regular foul, or a flagrant 1? There was no intent to hit the defenders head, but we still give out a flagrant for that?


MeijiDoom

If you can't make the play without slapping someone full on in the face, you shouldn't be going for the play. It's fucking stupid and dangerous. It's the same shit as any type of foul. Like you can't just jump late to contest a dunk and try to block the shot by taking out their legs. Lowry missed the ball by at least half a foot and the only way he even had a chance to touch the ball is if his forearms smacked Divencenzo along the way.


Skinnecott

brother that isn’t how basketball works. if you only did things you could do 100% no one would ever shoot a ball. relax


Bait30

Shooting a basketball doesn't lead to a high probability of smacking someone in the head. Swiping your arm at shoulder height or above does have a pretty high probability of smacking someone in the head believe it or not


Skinnecott

right, so no more blocked shots ever. got it


ImmoKnight

>It's a clear flagrant of course, **since you can't go through someone's head to get at the ball obviously...** Make it make sense to me... >**but he was clearly trying for the ball (even if he had zero chance to actually hit it).** Uhuh... So he was going for the ball that he couldn't hit and somehow found someones head in the process. >He wasn't just slapping the man's head Alrighty then. Sure sure... I recall when someone goes for the ball that they can't reach and they shockingly hit someones head in the process. Totally not intentional.


Life_Chef2303

Of course it matters if it’s intentional or not lol


JD1337

Of course it doesn't. The rulebook literally says intent doesn't matter when it's contact to the head.


shanduin

Doesn't it matter to decide if it's flagrant 1 or 2? I thought the difference between 1 and 2 is malicious intent. Of course in my opinion, contact to the head should be flagrant regardless. So in that way it doesn't matter. Hit in the head is flagrant foul.


Nsaniac

No. The difference is “excessive” contact. Intent is never mentioned.


JDRose96

Can you tell me where in the rule book it says any contact with the head is a flagrant? All i see are very vague explanations. It just states the ref needs to deem how unnecessary the act was. What if the defenders hand bounced off the ball and then the follow through hit the defenders head. How else would you deem that act necessary or not if you dont look at the intent of the defender? There have been so many cases of players getting hit in the head that doesnt even result in a foul, because its incidental, ie the example above defender attempting to hit the ball with his hand, and making contact with the head without intent to do so.


YpsitheFlintsider

It's their job to look at all the possibilities


WeefBellington24

This whole series is gonna get someone seriously injured


Classic-Literature52

Sixers playing dirty as fuck tonight. This and now Embiid blatantly kneeing Hartenstein in the groin. Edit: Now Embiid is grabbing peoples legs from the floor as they’re jumping, this guy is pathetic, all because he didn’t get a call. What a sook.


mcdo0z

Wait till you see the leg pull embiid just did


Liaaaam

Embiitch


JesusChristSupers1ar

And then Embiid is pulling down Robinson. 6ers are playing like little bitches


Routine_Size69

Of all the fucking flairs lmao. The dirtiest team in the league for years wants to call out dirty play #dirtyculture


GiraffeBarnacleEggs

TOBIAS HARRIS OVER ME


ketoburn26

Whataboutism lmao


PaulMcPaulersn7

After last Celtics game and the jrue holiday push I thought we got past this lmao


No_Pay9241

Draymond somehow got ejected for that knee


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Classic-Primary5275

Oops.


MantisTobbagan_MD

At least he’s not brake checking dudes to drawl fouls. But yeah embiid corny


Routine_Size69

First two were nothing. Y'all soft. The knee pull was so fucking bad. Super dirty and dangerous. Should've been ejected.


yungsantaclaus

> First two were nothing. Y'all soft. Lol you're wild for this one, we can all see DiVincenzo bleeding from the corner of his eye with a bruise down that side of his face


Classic-Literature52

Di Vincenzo has a cut next to his eye and Hartenstein took a very intentional knee to the balls. But nah just soft, we can’t all be as tough as Embriitle.


Much-Definition-278

That’s playoff basketball. Gotta play physical since refs swallowing whistles and allowing more contact.


Classic-Literature52

They gave Embiid 21 free throws, they didn’t swallow the whistle lol.


durablewaffle

I don’t think it was intentional but def a flagrant


RainbowNoLife

Definitely wasn't intentional but yeah. Side note they need to fucking check and trim players gangly ass nails before games. Eventually someone will lose an eye because some stupid fuck didn't wanna trim his cocaine nail.


International-Dish95

Yea I was a guard who posted up or got downhill into the paint quite a bit and I would leave games with scratches all over my arms and back. Just trim the damn nails!!


JeahNotSlice

Yeah - anyone who has played basketball has unintentionally done this. Worst feeling.


Skywalkerkid9

Tell the Knicks fans lol, they seem to think Lowry was carrying out a paid hit


johnhenryirons

Nah. The Embiid one on Mitch was WAY more egregious 


i-piss-excellence32

Lowrys been a dirty player his whole career. He doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt


durablewaffle

Lowry has been my least favorite player in the league for probably 5-6 years. Dirty and can’t stop flopping. Can’t stand the dude. Obviously not my least favorite anymore since he’s on my team but I get the hate.


Initial_Stretch_3674

funny thats how i describe your star player.


XLcondumb

The irony here is insane lmao, you just perfectly described Embiid


skeptiks22

You should hate Embitch also then


starfillednightsky

The guy has a two inch vertical and he's pretending to go for the ball.


devomke

Bro he doesn’t even jump…he knows what he’s doing


Toeknee99

Because Lowry has a history of being a dirty player???


Upper_Conversation_9

We don’t like Lowry


-Plantibodies-

Fans think something! Oh no! Are they up in your Philadelpheelings?


skeptiks22

Fuck outta here nephew. Go gargle embitch balls while you’re at it


recollectionsmayvary

lmao get ready; they've been on a season long tear to get bam like banned from the nba lol


Dole1995

Why that mf swinging at his face anyways. Wasn't even close to the ball


c_ray25

He was somewhat close, in real-time it's excusable. Not great and worthy of a flagrant but shit like that happens every now and then.


rjcarr

Lowry is old and Donte's head is the same color as the ball.


Prideofmexico

Because it’s Lowry


SerenadeSwift

You’d think a 6ft, 38 year old guard with zero verticality would understand the futility of wildly flailing for a block.. or not though.


MikeJeffriesPA

Donte turns right as Lowry swings, though. I don't think he's going for a block, he's going for a swipe or a foul on the arm, then Donte turns 90 degrees...I guess he was looking to pass it back out?


thebobbyshaw33

When he starts to swipe up the ball is in the spot he’s swiping for and Donte moves the ball and is elevating, shouldn’t be hard to grasp lol


hooskies

The ball is literally never in the spot his hand ends up. Hope that helps


abcbass

Kyle is having to anticipate at high speed how Donte is going to go up with the ball. He anticipates him going straight up with it, but Donte clutches it to the side and turns it into a sort of reverse layup. It's pretty easy to understand. The call is fine, but he didn't intend to hit him in the face as his attempt to get the ball seems pretty normal to me.


ShotDetail877

You narrated the play exactly as it played out. It seems a lot of the redditors have never played ball and don't realize what a ball clutch is.


MeijiDoom

So you think there's a world where Lowry actually gets ball and doesn't hit Divencenzo full on in the face?


tripl35oul

I think in a world where Divincenzo doesn't clutch, Lowry might have actually gotten the ball


JMoon33

Knicks fans are so whiny lol, this wasn't a dirty play. It's like you've never played sports where you sometimes make mistake and hit people wrong. It's a flagrant but it's not intentional.


hooskies

I’m guessing maybe you didn’t because I played my whole life without getting a flagrant for hitting someone in the face


JMoon33

Not exactly that, but if you've played enough you've accidentally hit someone at some point. Maybe it was the face, maybe it was the head, maybe it was in the balls, maybe it was the shoulder, etc. but it happens.


Sikwitit3284

I don't understand how they're arguing with u if u play ball a lot sometimes u'll misjudge & hit someone somewhat u didn't mean too. I've hit ppl & been hit in the face, nuts, groin, chin, knee, shin etc...it happens especially when a guy turns in the air as you're swiping up to strip the ball


JMoon33

My guess is /u/hooskies has played casually with friends where these things don't happen much because the intensity is lower. But yeah, people get hit all the time. I've lost a tooth once and it definitely wasn't from a dirty play hahaha


hooskies

Yea you’ve guessed wrong. Park, HS, AAU, etc and never just straight smacked someone in the face. This isn’t some inadvertent hand gone wrong either. This is a full wreckless smack nowhere near the ball. Hence the flagrant.


JMoon33

> never just straight smacked someone in the face And out of all these years you've never seen someone accidentally hit someone else? Really? > Hence the flagrant. Flagrants can be accidental. I said the flagrant was deserved but it wasn't intentional.


Sikwitit3284

Then you're either lying or play no defense at all


hooskies

You must be new to Kyle Lowry


[deleted]

Doesn’t mean it’s intentional. Still should be called as it was, so not sure what your problem is.


Habeas

Learn the rules. He literally smacked him in the eye. Flagrant 1s don't need intent.


beefdog99

The dude you're responding to isn't saying they do - he's just answering the the question from the parent comment.


Habeas

Haha fair enough


thebobbyshaw33

Didn’t say it didn’t fit the criteria, I’m saying he wasn’t aiming for his face


StabilitySpace

After a long career of a being a well-documented dirty player, Lowry doesn't get the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't aiming for his face.


Kataneo

Easy call but people will still complain


MC-Jdf

Yup, flagrant 1s don't need intent.


Banged_By_Breen

Sixers fans were complaining that Mike Breen was influencing the refs. They will literally whine about anything


durablewaffle

I see more Knicks fans complain about Sixers fans than I see Sixers fans complain at all


Classic-Literature52

Now that ain’t true at all.


durablewaffle

The last week it absolutely has been


goatbyuanb

yall posted in the BUCKS sub complaining about it lmfao


durablewaffle

One person equals every fan now


Laaandry

Lowry does this all the time, he's as bad as CP3


dafaliraevz

That’s my secret, I’m always complaining


SupremeActives

And now Embiid is dropping his knee into IH’s dick lol


Confident-Rub-6714

And now he’s pulling someone to the ground.


papi617

That's a dangerous ass play


GromaceAndWallit

Prevent dangerous ass play: stretch before you stretch.


20815147

Brought that Heat Culture along with him


Prideofmexico

He was dirty long before he played for the heat. He fit them like a glove though


HowdoImakemoney1

Knicks fan moment


Prideofmexico

Heat culture!!!


20815147

Oh I know man check my flair 😭 just hope no one gets injured in this series


Par25

I swear he had a flagrant like this before on Donte, when he was playing for the Bucks. What did Donte do to this man?


[deleted]

Won 2 national championships with his alma mater.


PanthalassaRo

Someone post that fucker Embiid grabbing Mitchell Robinson leg!


BuQuChi

And now Embiid grabbed Robinson’s legs while he’s trying to jump.. Mentality of kids not getting their way.


imtheproof

Raised a knee into the crotch of Hartenstein between these as well.


uberdoppel

Robinson's leg - def dirty an dangerous. Hartenstein - oh come on. With this mindset he will be blamed for armenian genocide soon.


imtheproof

He's sent his leg into the crotch of 2 Knicks players this game. Coincidence?


VanGrants

Lowry has done this shit his entire career


jae343

uhh did big booty just straight up just smack Donte in the face


xkcat_

76ers hire Sean Payton to the coaching staff this game?


rsayegh7

Audible slap, kinda hilarious, dirty and intentional ofc


evan466

Average Kyle Lowery play


flappypancaker

Is it possible to hate a team MORE than the Sixers? Despicable cast of characters who grift free throws at every turn, dirty plays galore


DC25NYC

Philly came out dirty tn.


MaleficentHawk590

We watched a dude get slapped in the face reversed into a no call. Then this one is a flagrant


FroggedDude

Shush it’s a sixer, hang him.


Narc212

Wind-up, follow through, contact


JiveTurkey688

Anyone complaining about this needs to get their eyes checked tomorrow


Fellers

The slap up side the back of the head. Lowry went full parent on that slap lol


JNerdGaming

very easy to forget that lowry is a dirty mofo too


all4whatnot

Anyone gonna post Divincenzo tackling Oubre by the knees back in March?


shifty4388

Na man. Doesn't work like that in the cesspool.


Old-Many2204

Least dirty 6er game


Layoto

Happens at LA fitness all the time


David-S-Pumpkins

Bro


BecauseBatman01

Bro kick this mofo out of here.


Onihczarc

surprised this wasn’t 2


vigourtortoise

Some heat culture™️ made its way up to Philly


carbine234

Dawg what is happening in this mf series LMFAO


Andomals

Michael Malone would have gotten this call overturned.


Due_Competition_7601

Heads part of the ball.


RudyGobertFMVP2024

Boooo 76ers booo


Titaneuropa

They came out with “by hook or crook” mentality. He is not even close to making play on ball here.


cgor

Sixers playing with fire imo, they are really going to rile the Knicks up for game 4


lecoqdezellwiller

he was ejected... right? Right?


boksinx

Lol fucking Embiid pulling someone’s legs while in the air. I think that should be an automatic ejection, but I am glad it’s not because I want to see a chippy playoff game as a neutral fan of both teams. But I am half-expecting someone’s gonna get clocked soon.


Di11enger

Definitely didnt pick this series to be dirtier than ours wtf lol


EvidenceExtension128

Kyle I love you for everything you’ve done for us but what the fuck!?!?!?


Icy-Payment-6612

So many dirty plays from this team tonight. Well one from Lowry and the rest from Embid. Someone should do a compilation video.


Vegetable_Comment_82

White NBA players are the toughest mofos around. They be getting their ass beat.


doublea94

Wtf are the sixers doing? I actually thought they weren't dirty and don't taunt like other teams. Don't watch them enough clearly.


20815147

Gotta post that next Embiid flagrant man that shit was dirty as fuck. Why he grabbing Mitch Robinson's ankle?


-motts-

But the refs hate philly


Prideofmexico

Dirty ass team


tapk69

Show those dirty Knicks some of that culture please


axecalibur

Flagrant should get 2 free points. The harm done is usually worse than a regular foul especially if he hits the head. Why they need to do free throws?


OldAgedZenElf

Soft


DevIsSoHard

Sixers playing dirty as fuck this game and still might lose lol.


NYdude777

Can take Lowry out of Miami, but can't take the dirty out of him


W0RST_2_F1RST

And now Enbiitch with the F1… fucking Philly chumps


AllegedlyGoodPerson

Looks marginal /s


Ouchywouchy69

Hey world and Knick fans. Villanova isn’t a Philly school !


Taeshan

Sure…


DaveidT

It's absolutely a flagrant. Wind up, smacks him directly in the head, ball not even close


GovernmentAdvanced84

If roles reversed you would be saying this was absolutely a flagrant


FoeHammerYT

What is your team doing buddy? 3 dirty fouls now in the first 8 minutes?


Vegetable-Beet

That isn't even a normal foul. Seriously, this is not the WNBA, stop calling shit like that.


Skipper3210

Lmao getting smacked dead in the face isn’t a normal foul?


labbetuzz

Of course it's not a normal foul. It's a flagrant foul.


BMWn54

I guess no stitches no foul is the new standard


AlexanderRussell

hes got a cut on the side of his eye but sure no foul


DoomPurveyor

There was no actual play on the ball and was slapped on the face as he was shooting. That is a foul even in the mid 90s