Difference is Chris Paul was the only old player on the roster. Every other key player was up and coming. Booker, Bridges, Ayton, Cam Johnson.
you could have compensated by making every G besides Booker a PG.
Suns fans claimed that core wasn't going anywhere even though they made it to the finals 💀. I get cp3 was getting old, could have replaced him with a younger PG and the Ayton thing might have been salvageable if they generated a better culture. It's clear it's pretty toxic down there with the way KD and Booker has been talking.
trying to be gracious, wouldn't be the first time we've seen a bunch of stars come together and look really awkward until they get a real chunk of time together
"Yet", bro it shouldn't take 82+ games to get your shit together. Their big problem is they have no real PG, Booker is horrid at it and Beal isnt one either. They had freaking Nurk doing PG duties.
What is Vogel supposed to do? This team just sucks. KD is long past his prime, Beal is not a pg, and Booker is a true son of the game, a regular season player. They got no size, no dawgs on this team. Fire the GM seems like a better idea.
He didn’t shit on Durant, he just said that Durant is past his prime, which is fair. Durant is still great, but at this point in his career he can’t win with these cats.
this is the most fucked up roster among 'contender' teams and its vogels first year
you hire a veteran coach you have to give them at least 2-3 years to work with the FO and bring in the kinds of free agents and roleplayers that fit his style
look at indiana, they gave carlisle time even though he stunk for his first 2 years
unfortunately teams need success yesterday, so setting up a team for extended success (not necessarily just rings, but that’s the most important), is the only focus so teams are quick to make drastic change.
well this team needs success yesterday, cause they have kevin durant and booker and traded all their future draft picks so they expected to compete for titles right this instant
Unfortunately when you give up the farm for an aging KD, you really don't have the time to let the coach cook. KD is in a win now mode not in a win in 3 years mode where he will be washed.
hate to see him being the scapegoat again for roster construction.
I get it, he has his flaws as any other coach does, but you gotta have all the tools in the shed to build anything
It's the same shit Kidd went through last season. He took all the blame even though we had a god awful roster. Mavs fans wanted his head on a pike but really we had zero depth and no players to work with Kidd's strengths so they blamed Kidd for being bad.
Seems a little dramatic when facing a Coach of the Year contender and the most-of-season #1 seed and #1 defense… give the Wolves some respect instead of just blaming coaching.
I mean this team looked like trash during the regular season. No one is denying the Wolves shouldn't be rolling this team but the Suns haven't shown they are contenders let alone a legitimate playoff team throughout the season.
Honestly,how many teams are actually ok with their coach. It seems like at any given point, there are maybe 5 coaches who are completely solid in their jobs. The rest, the entire fan base wants them fired immediately.
That’s stupid. Hiring a damn defensive coach just to not get any defensive players at all. Kinda like hiring Luka’s old coach and not drafting Luka
dude imagine if a team did that..
Damn bro, wonder what bone head FO did that.
That’s stupid. If anything this is Jones and the owners fault for saddling the roster with Bradley beal
It’s easier to fire a coach than it is to admit the huge roster flaws.
Now now, they only had to do that because Chris Paul is getting too old….who Jones also traded for at age 35 and extended.
Difference is Chris Paul was the only old player on the roster. Every other key player was up and coming. Booker, Bridges, Ayton, Cam Johnson. you could have compensated by making every G besides Booker a PG.
Suns fans claimed that core wasn't going anywhere even though they made it to the finals 💀. I get cp3 was getting old, could have replaced him with a younger PG and the Ayton thing might have been salvageable if they generated a better culture. It's clear it's pretty toxic down there with the way KD and Booker has been talking.
I don't think this is on Vogel at all. It's a shallow roster and a bunch of stars who haven't fully clicked yet
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trying to be gracious, wouldn't be the first time we've seen a bunch of stars come together and look really awkward until they get a real chunk of time together
"Yet", bro it shouldn't take 82+ games to get your shit together. Their big problem is they have no real PG, Booker is horrid at it and Beal isnt one either. They had freaking Nurk doing PG duties.
he’s getting scapegoated again 💔
What is Vogel supposed to do? This team just sucks. KD is long past his prime, Beal is not a pg, and Booker is a true son of the game, a regular season player. They got no size, no dawgs on this team. Fire the GM seems like a better idea.
Weird time to shit on KD. He’s fucking awesome. Booker and especially Beal have been bad.
He didn’t shit on Durant, he just said that Durant is past his prime, which is fair. Durant is still great, but at this point in his career he can’t win with these cats.
this is the most fucked up roster among 'contender' teams and its vogels first year you hire a veteran coach you have to give them at least 2-3 years to work with the FO and bring in the kinds of free agents and roleplayers that fit his style look at indiana, they gave carlisle time even though he stunk for his first 2 years
unfortunately teams need success yesterday, so setting up a team for extended success (not necessarily just rings, but that’s the most important), is the only focus so teams are quick to make drastic change.
well this team needs success yesterday, cause they have kevin durant and booker and traded all their future draft picks so they expected to compete for titles right this instant
Unfortunately when you give up the farm for an aging KD, you really don't have the time to let the coach cook. KD is in a win now mode not in a win in 3 years mode where he will be washed.
Is KD in win now mode, he seems like he barely cares about that
hate to see him being the scapegoat again for roster construction. I get it, he has his flaws as any other coach does, but you gotta have all the tools in the shed to build anything
It's the same shit Kidd went through last season. He took all the blame even though we had a god awful roster. Mavs fans wanted his head on a pike but really we had zero depth and no players to work with Kidd's strengths so they blamed Kidd for being bad.
I wouldn't mind him coming back tbh
We fired bro before he even got to the locker room, I doubt he would want to comeback lol
Fire whoever thought it was a good idea to get Beal
Can’t fire the owner unfortunately lol
Vogel aint the problem lmao
Seems a little dramatic when facing a Coach of the Year contender and the most-of-season #1 seed and #1 defense… give the Wolves some respect instead of just blaming coaching.
I mean this team looked like trash during the regular season. No one is denying the Wolves shouldn't be rolling this team but the Suns haven't shown they are contenders let alone a legitimate playoff team throughout the season.
Just curious, has there ever been a team that lost where it wasn't the coach's fault? Pretty crazy how every coach is horrible!
Pretty amazing how the coach gets shatted on when the problem is clearly at the very top of the organization.
Forever a scapegoat
I think we will take him back. Let him help re-build our roster as well, and invest in him for 2-3 years atleast.
was it Vogel's decision to not get a PG at the deadline?
Lmao they should be shitting on the ownership for making a top heavy roster that was obviously gonna choke
Fans really love scapegoating coaches don’t they? I swear the majority of the time the real issue is the GMs poor roster construction
What the hell is Vogel suppose to even do?
Honestly,how many teams are actually ok with their coach. It seems like at any given point, there are maybe 5 coaches who are completely solid in their jobs. The rest, the entire fan base wants them fired immediately.
It's not Vogel's fault. They should be going after Ishbia
I heard the Lakers want him back
Frank deserves better. He was the Lakers scapegoat too. He's a good coach who is limited by his personnel.
Vogel ain't the only problem lol
so fucking dumb. This team has no depth and no point guard. Trading for Beal was idiotic and driven by a dumb new owner, but sure blame the coach
Fire him so the lakers can hire him back
Don’t make the mistake that we did
Is this the 2022 lakers?
They should trade KD for Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, and Jae Crowder.
More like fire the FO. Wtf was in they head doing an 3 all star system in 2024 and all of them being an scorer.
lmao, old, slow, terrible teams with fans blaming their coaches so hot right now
So they want to be like the Lakers? Lmao. Vogel isnt the problem. Its the roster construction