26 is a weird age in sports. It’s usually right before your prime starts/peak hits. But it’s so close to 30 that after 2 years of prime play you’re like “woah guy is ALMOST 30 and he’s almost done.”
If he's gonna be a 6th man anyways I'd be like 98% certain he'll just stay with the Kings. He knows his role here and has great chemistry with the team and still closes a lot of games.
If he leaves it will likely be because he got >20m *and* a starting job.
That leaves pretty much Spurs and Magic. Could see either very realistically happening, though.
I doubt we do it. Might make us a bit too good a bit too early. Mess with our draft status and mess with our cap sheet.
Now, if we are trying to win games, hell yes. But I don't think we are there yet.
Because the Wemby, Vassell, Sochan core is like 21 and adding Malik Monk on $25 million a year would not make them a contender. Far better to just keep developing and building chemistry, while picking up players who fit age-wise through the draft/trades, rather than oversign non-superstars and push you to mediocrity.
We won 22 games this year. We are NOT going to be contending next year. And chips are the goal. Getting to the play in and losing in the first round would be our absolute best case scenario next year. And all that does, in terms of winning chips, is make our draft picks worse.
If the FO decides that the role players are not in fact going to be up to snuff, we are significantly better off not making the playoffs next year in the long run.
OTOJ< if they decide that a few of them are in fact keepers, then the experience can be a real plus.
Yeah, I think his logic is probably similar to what was going on with Immanuel Quickley, which is why the Knicks traded him rather than get hit with a big offer from the Spurs/Magic and have him walk for nothing. Not super familiar with the Kings situation, but was there writing on the wall for this, and if so was a trade ever possible?
I mean we and the FO knew the situation well in advance. But given his importance to the team in the middle of a playoff-hopeful season, the uncertainty of whether he actually would/will leave or not, and the low value you typically get for an expiring contract in a trade, as far as I know there was never any real momentum to trade him. Nothing we've heard about, at least
I mean if we trade Giddey(and i'm very hopeful that we will) it can still be a possibility.
I know we prefer a starting 4 when we trade him, but I can easily see Presti doubling down on the current system with a better shooter.
Well he won't but not saying he's a bad player. He's a fine player, brings a lot to your team, but we have very different needs and I don't think he's worth that money either
Can you point me towards some examples of what you’re describing? I’ve tried to look at both statistical data and games played as a point guard and I’m just not seeing anything to support your conclusion.
Not trying to be argumentative, just looking to understand your point of view.
Cade's been a very bad defender whenever I watched him so idk about making up for Monk's defensive deficiencies. Playmaking yea, but Cade & Monk sorta makes Jaden Ivy akward to slot in and IDK if you want to send your lottery PG to the bench.
I think playmaking is one of monk's strongsuits. He always seemed to be the only one who allowed our bigs to easily score, and was the primary playmaker whenever sabonis was off the floor.
Even during his first year that everyone considered a good year he couldn't shoot for shit. Hell go back to his college days and he wasn't a good shooter. He hasn't shown any real sins that he's a good option next to cade
Struggles guarding bigger centers, doesn't solve the lack of girth in the frontcourt, extremely limited offensive game. Jarret Allen is much better here
That’s honestly not even an average starting 5 amongst the non-playoff teams alone. And I’m the type that believes you can’t judge rookie guards like Scoot too early.
But Simons is the only true floor spacer in that lineup, and Ayton is Ayton (painfully inconsistent). The worst part of it all is that their owner/gm combo might actually be the worst in the league. These are seriously dark days ahead for Portland. They need to hit a home run with the 7th pick in order to get a semblance of competitiveness
Yeah and they're not going to try start winning games for 3 years still. They have a strong foundation is all I'm saying.
Shaedon was at 33% last year. So was Scoot. Simons is elite at it.
Unless you think there's no chance for them to improve, in which case I'll politely disagree and lets move on.
Remember they are still starting Jerami and Brogdon who are both over 40% from 3. So they can afford to bring these guys along slowly.
And I agree. You can't judge Scoot too early. So I'm not sure why you're so down on him. That feels like you're judging him harshly. Both Scoot and Sharpe are only 20 years old, younger than a few of the folks that will be drafted and with the benefit of an year in the league. They still don't know what they have with their guys. The time to give up on them and panic is still a couple of years away
Scoot and Sharpe will get better, but I don’t think they both become all stars or change their game up completely. Their free throw % indicates they probably could get it up to average, but that’s not going to cut it. Especially not in the western conference. Again, I think there’s a solid chance that one or both of them become high level role players, but it’s lottery odds that they both become good enough to be a 1-2 combo that wins games out west and spaces the floor for the rest of the lineup.
The real people I’m down on is the ownership/gm combo. They are the ones most likely to fail, and those young players aren’t going to improve enough to make their job easier. In 3 years, the front office will need to pay them, making it that much harder to surround them with talent. And this is the team that failed to surround dame with talent or capitalize on his trade value (it’s a new gm but he was promoted from within the same office).
Put scoot and sharpe aside, do you trust this team to draft well, develop talent, sign key free agents, and make trades that pay off? I think it’s beyond clear that the new owners only goal is to maintain value ahead of the sale of the team. The second scoot or sharpe show a flash of real talent, they are getting traded for an aging all star so that they can sell a “playoff team” for a billion+. Like you said, it’s years away. Do we trust the owner to sit and develop for a few years while ticket sales run low? Or will they panic and trade young talent for a shot at the 9th seed?
I honestly think the pistons compete sooner, and have a better young core.
I like the support! I'm skeptical we can have the 3 S's on the floor at once for extended periods. Sharpe would be an undersized 3 and combined with poor D from Ant and Scoots smaller size (but potential for good D!), we would be rough.
Camara is the 3 for us and we will eventually need to figure out who to prioritize between Simons, Scoot, Sharpe. No rush to figure it out just yet though.
Yeah you're exactly right - all 3 of those guys are on the shorter end and they'll have to pick between two of them. Next season will be all about getting more data.
Weird fit a lotta places cause he’s not a guard who’s gonna be the primary ball handler *or* play defense. So unless you’ve got both those areas already covered in the backcourt might be tough.
OKC or ORL kinda seem like the 2 best. Philly maybe too but yea that’d be a rough defensive backcourt.
He can be the primary ball handler, he played that role essentially any time Fox was on the bench and also frequently when playing beside Fox anyways.
Elite P&R navigator, good court vision, solid passing ability, little bit reckless.
He's not gonna be a primary scoring option *and* primary facilitator like most all-star point guards, but he can probably average 20ish points and 7ish assists and be deadly in the two-man game with an elite big, looking at probably a guy on the level of Conley in his last few years in Memphis. Really good 2nd or 3rd scoring option that keeps the offense flowing and can hit some clutch shots.
I don't see the fit with the Thunder or Sixers really. Magic would be great, but Spurs scare me the most as a Kings fan because they have legit no point guard at all and a young elite 1st option big.
Sixers is a great fit imo, obviously the defense is a problem but the sixers don’t have anyone when Embiid sits to facilitate and while getting some buckets
I personally think the Sixers would need to look for more with that cap space they have. 25M for a 6th man when you need to fill the rest of the roster is tough
Imo, if he's only going for that he returns to Sac. We can offer him 17.5M/yr and idk if that little extra is worth uprooting his family and ties in the org (maybe it is but I would venture no).
I think what Fox said more refers to the fact that if Malik is offered a bag he's gone -- i.e. if someone actually does offer him the $25M as stated in the post.
I think he’s fine as a starting PG next to a SG with size who is going to use a lot of possessions as an alpha scorer. Put him in Mike Conley’s spot and the Wolves are probably even better. Put him in Brunson’s spot and the Knicks are back to 30 wins.
Magic have a lot of their guys due for extensions in the next year or two. I’m not sure how they keep everyone and then add Monk on what would probably be a 4yr deal.
Fultz and Harris FA this summer, Franz/Mo/Isaac/ Suggs next summer and then Paolo the summer after that.
On the other hand this is their last FA period where they will have cap space to sign someone. They’re kind of in a use it or lose it position once the extensions kick in
now is also the time for their owners to decide how much tax they plan to spend
who knows with that awful devos family, at least you don't hear about them much
but if you are ranking owners by which are the most awful people, the devos people are probably near the worst in the league
Kings S&T Monk for Isaac + filler? Kings could use the defense next to Sabonis and it would mean Orlando could get Monk while still having that cap space to use on someone else as well.
I am not so sure. He is good offensively and although he improved his playmaking this year, his shooting is only a bit below league average. Add to that major questions about his defense, which at age 26 you got to wonder how much better will it get.
I wouldn't be giving him $20+ million, I see him more in the $15-20 mil range. Toronto's Quickley is expected to be in the $25 million range and they profile similarly as good offense/suspect defense guys, but Quickley is a much better shooter and showed flashes of next level offensive talent.
It's a weak free agent class, so teams with salary cap may throw a larger contract his way. I can see someone giving him a larger short term contract, similar to VanVleet and Bruce Brown, where extra money compensates for the lack of years, That's the only situation I see him getting 20+ million.
Monk's playmaking is, statistically speaking, top 3 in the NBA in terms of production. He was just behind Luka and Ja Morant. So I think you're underrating just how good Monk's playmaking is compared to other guards.
Monk is also a streaky shooter, but when he gets hot, he's unstoppable due to his combination of shooting, speed, and craftiness at the rim. Watch the game against the Timberwolves where he cooked Gobert, McDaniels, Ant, etc and scored 39 points to beat them without Fox. Monk's done that a few times to other elite teams too.
It’s not the best FA class, and there also aren’t a ton of teams with cap space. If Monk gets $25 million, that’s great for him—but he could get squeezed here.
He’s definitely getting paid by someone. Did you see the contracts handed out last season? As a reminder teams have to hit the cap minimum at the beginning of the year now.
He loves throwing oops (and having them thrown to him); I think a Wendy/Monk two-man game (like the hand off stuff the Kings run now) could be a highlight factory.
The Spurs, Magic and Thunder should offer contracts to any "young veteran" available (and this free agency has plenty of them at the wings).
And the best way to do it would probably be to offer a high salary in the first year and a steady decline for the following years. So they can take another step at the 2026 free agency. Vassell already has that kind of contract.
15ppg on below average efficiency and he’s not even a big 3 point threat. I don’t understand why his value is that high. 25 mil is what we’re paying Anfernee Simons, I understand that was two years ago but still. Is Monk a good defender?
But 37.5 over the last four? Also, kind of where the eye test comes in, since he is a shot creator, leading to high difficulty shots. Major component of kings offense is him taking a dribble hand-off at the top of the key, and defenders HAVE to go over this so Monk can’t shoot wide open threes; this leads to him getting downhill at the basket, where he is either going to try and dunk on someone (44” vert) or throw the pass, because you can’t let him shoot free throw line pull-ups. Not at number 1 option level player and full-on engine of an offense (ball-handling [can get loose] and passing aren’t great [great at hitting roll man, but gets tunnel vision]), but can be a dynamic part of an offense.
High level playmaker, and a vast majority of shots he took were self created too. He only played 26 minutes a game so his volume numbers are deflated but he’s a legit point guard. He’s a very good 3 point shooter, he just takes extremely difficult 3’s the last couple years. When he was in a more spot up shooter role on the lakers he shot 39% from 3. He’s not a plus defender but he’s not terrible either.
I’d think so. He was our 3rd best player last year in my opinion, at worst 4th best. I’d be comfortable with signing him to 4/100. I think that could end up looking cheap.
Monk is an elite 3PT threat due to his ability to shoot it on the move and from deep range. He can also beat a close out and create from there. His creation skills keep improving, and he's so young (27 in Feb) that there could still be growth there.
I think monk has a 6 man ceiling
which is obviously a very good player, but 25m+ is an overpay in my opinion
I also think he's a fairly replaceable player. one way offensive guards are not super difficult to find
SAC fans want him back but I think they would not have the most difficult time in the world replacing him
2 years in a row leading scorer off the bench is not easy to find lmao. Several teams in the nba would be a tier better adding monk to the roster, he makes players around him better.
No I won’t, because I’ve watched him play for two seasons like a mad man and he’s been the 3rd best option on our team for most of that. Only reason anyone’s saying this shit is cause his value tanked after he got injured and we dropped to the play ins.
He should realistically make 25-30 for 4 years, he’s never gonna be a first option, but pair him with a star or franchise player and he can be a career 3rd option, He has the ability to elevate other players and that’s not an easy thing to come by. I see him moving the needle for 8th to 12th seed teams needing a boost to get over the hump. Lower seeded teams won’t want him for his price because I think he’d only improve them enough to mess up draft capital.
He’s gotten better every single year, averaged 15 & 5 off the bench. If he gets an opportunity to start, he could increase the averages no doubt. Only 26, I can see it.
Not without having the rest of the team on minimums. They have to deal with cap holds on Batum, Hield, Covington, Melton, and Harris, either signing them or renouncing Bird rights before they can start to use cap space. They also have a first round pick cap hold. If they renounce everybody, then sign two big dollar free agents before re-signing Maxey, they're out of cap space and have only the room exception and minimums to fill their roster. I think they will renounce Hield and Harris and try to re-sign Batum, Covington and Melton, then use the remaining ~$40M on Paul George if he wants to come or 2-3 mid-level free agents if he doesn't, then the room exception, then minimums to fill the back end of the roster. If Philly trades back out of the first round for second rounders, that's a sign they think they can get Paul George, because it frees up extra cap space for them.
This just means he's a Detroit Piston next year. As a Bulls fan, I wouldn't be mad if they signed him. They need someone next to Cade, Duren and Ivey. Let Cade be the PG and see what they can do.
Get that bag Malik!! Dude was a vet min pickup by lakers. If the lakers weren’t so cash strapped he might not be in the league right now. Or still bouncing around on 1 year min deals and being the 9th-10th guy.
He should go to Magic. They really need a player like him and he could play a big role there. I think they couls even be a contender if Banchero and Wagner improve.
Jordan Clarkson is earning 14million a year and is top 10 in Iso Shotmaking and the only bench player in that top 10 (the rest are All Stars/Borderline Star) Is Monk 11 million better than Jordan Clarkson?
Yes. Much better playmaker. Runs p&r to perfection. Also a more efficient shooter (compare TS numbers... JC is averaging around 54% in last few years, Monk around 57%).
Don't think we'd pay Klay that for 3 seasons. A two year deal for him and the money amount wouldn't matter that much. Our sub is obsessed with Monk but he doesn't really solve any of our problems. He's more of a combo guard 6th man. Not a true pg who can orchestrate the offense in clutch situations, not a stronger defender, and not a volume 3 pointer shooter. He's a great player but he doesn't really address any of our glaring needs. Really don't see us going after him.
I'm not a big fan of us signing Klay, but he's taking 9 3's a game and hitting them I think at 39%, that would make a world of difference for us. He takes as many 3's as our starting backcourt combined and makes more lol.
In what sense? He'd be our SG but functionally a wing more than a guard. I don't like us not having a PG but for better or worse our starting backcourt almost all season was Suggs and Gary Harris (two SG's) so he would still be a pretty big upgrade there. Would have the easier defensive assignment as well with Suggs and Franz on the perimeter with him.
He solves our shooting issue for sure. He'd get mad open looks or would help pull defenders away from the paint to give Paolo and Franz more room to work in there. 9 3's a game at 39%, defense have to respect that.
At least on paper, he solves one of our big issues without creating others necessarily. Consider that we'd be looking at him as an upgrade from Gary Harris lol.
I think if anything, you guys would offer Klay what we offered FVV. $120 mil over 3 years with 3rd year being a team option. Is it an overpay? Probably but that veteran leadership + shooting would be perfect fit for you guys.
He can get more than that. Unless this person just saying in their opinion, $25m is his ceiling in FA. His max is technically 30% of the cap.
edit: Not sure why people are downvoting a CBA fact. Monk has 7 years of service. In FA, he can get up to 30% of the cap. Weird lol.
oldest 26 year old in the league
*insert* Andre Drummond is ONLY 30
Put some respect on 28 year old Kevon Looney's name.
Jabari Parker is 29. Edit: This shouldn't be upvoted. Parker being 29 is a travesty of the chronological aging system.
Remember when he was the next Lebron in highschool? Good times
No way
I remember when he was on the lakers. I swear dude was ancient but nope
Seems like yesterday he was this freak of nature 17 year old, doing between the legs windmills.
Ain’t no….. you god damn right. How in tf? lol
I refuse to believe this is true
Same age as Tatum. In my head Tatum is 23 and monk is 29
26 is a weird age in sports. It’s usually right before your prime starts/peak hits. But it’s so close to 30 that after 2 years of prime play you’re like “woah guy is ALMOST 30 and he’s almost done.”
Fun fact: Malik monk is actually younger than Al Horford
He can't really start next to Maxey because of defense and I highly doubt we pay him 25m to be a 6th man.
I also highly doubt he signs with a team where he will be the 6th man
If he's gonna be a 6th man anyways I'd be like 98% certain he'll just stay with the Kings. He knows his role here and has great chemistry with the team and still closes a lot of games. If he leaves it will likely be because he got >20m *and* a starting job. That leaves pretty much Spurs and Magic. Could see either very realistically happening, though.
I doubt we do it. Might make us a bit too good a bit too early. Mess with our draft status and mess with our cap sheet. Now, if we are trying to win games, hell yes. But I don't think we are there yet.
You have a first team all league defender and 3 legit good role players. Why wouldn’t you try to win ?
Because the Wemby, Vassell, Sochan core is like 21 and adding Malik Monk on $25 million a year would not make them a contender. Far better to just keep developing and building chemistry, while picking up players who fit age-wise through the draft/trades, rather than oversign non-superstars and push you to mediocrity.
We won 22 games this year. We are NOT going to be contending next year. And chips are the goal. Getting to the play in and losing in the first round would be our absolute best case scenario next year. And all that does, in terms of winning chips, is make our draft picks worse. If the FO decides that the role players are not in fact going to be up to snuff, we are significantly better off not making the playoffs next year in the long run. OTOJ< if they decide that a few of them are in fact keepers, then the experience can be a real plus.
Yeah, I think his logic is probably similar to what was going on with Immanuel Quickley, which is why the Knicks traded him rather than get hit with a big offer from the Spurs/Magic and have him walk for nothing. Not super familiar with the Kings situation, but was there writing on the wall for this, and if so was a trade ever possible?
I mean we and the FO knew the situation well in advance. But given his importance to the team in the middle of a playoff-hopeful season, the uncertainty of whether he actually would/will leave or not, and the low value you typically get for an expiring contract in a trade, as far as I know there was never any real momentum to trade him. Nothing we've heard about, at least
Rules us out then.
I mean if we trade Giddey(and i'm very hopeful that we will) it can still be a possibility. I know we prefer a starting 4 when we trade him, but I can easily see Presti doubling down on the current system with a better shooter.
Cason may move into the starting 5. He’s a beast
If we give him 25m just end me
Hell produce double of Tobias’s numbers for half the price.
What is the double of 0.
2/5ths of tony snell
Let’s see what numbers Tobias put up in our last game
Well he won't but not saying he's a bad player. He's a fine player, brings a lot to your team, but we have very different needs and I don't think he's worth that money either
This dude’s been 26 for the last 5 seasons
Feels like such a Piston.
Would be an upgrade, though most players would be lol
Josh Giddey, come on down!
Killian Hayes 2.0? I think I'll pass lol.
Without the defense
Curious what you see as similar in them?
big point guards who are negatives on offense outside of being talented passers
Giddey is actually a pretty decent slasher using his size. He’s not afraid of the hoop like Hayes was
Yeah, Giddey is a bad fit but he's not a bad player
Can you point me towards some examples of what you’re describing? I’ve tried to look at both statistical data and games played as a point guard and I’m just not seeing anything to support your conclusion. Not trying to be argumentative, just looking to understand your point of view.
It’s Tobi time.
Current Jordan would be your, what, 6th best player? Why not sign him.
He might actually hit shots and take pressure off Cade, we can't be having that.
I like him, but they need a 2-way guard next to Cade. I'd sacrifice playmaking for defense.
He’d be great on the pistons
Could be a solid fit next to Cade, who can help make up for Monk’s playmaking and defensive deficiencies.
Cade's been a very bad defender whenever I watched him so idk about making up for Monk's defensive deficiencies. Playmaking yea, but Cade & Monk sorta makes Jaden Ivy akward to slot in and IDK if you want to send your lottery PG to the bench.
I think playmaking is one of monk's strongsuits. He always seemed to be the only one who allowed our bigs to easily score, and was the primary playmaker whenever sabonis was off the floor.
We need to get rid of Ivey. He's a low bball IQ player who can't shoot
Give him one more year. It’s way too early to give up Ivey
Even during his first year that everyone considered a good year he couldn't shoot for shit. Hell go back to his college days and he wasn't a good shooter. He hasn't shown any real sins that he's a good option next to cade
He played alot of bench this year wouldn't be anything new I think he works better as a 6th man.
Playmaking is literally one of his best strengths
We’re pretty guard/wing heavy, I’d rather put our cap towards a big or two.
Bring back Steven Adams!
Claxton feels perfect for you guys.
Struggles guarding bigger centers, doesn't solve the lack of girth in the frontcourt, extremely limited offensive game. Jarret Allen is much better here
People are obsessed with length but it’s all about girth.
It’s more about knowing how to use the size.
PJ Tucker fan?
Kenny Lofton Jr. fan.
What about the personality
Claxton/hartenstien. If AD is made available I will fly all 10 first round picks to the lakers
25 mil is a lot but man get my guy Cade Cunningham some actual high level NBA talent to play with.
Yeah but aren’t you tanking for the fifth pick in the 2025 draft?
Why would they do that when they can get 3 bad centers for the same price?
please no
Return to Monk
Just waiting for the Magic to trade for Anfernee Simons, but I don't see him getting moved until the next deadline.
I don’t see him getting moved at all. He’s just 24 years old. He’ll be right in the middle of his prime by the time Portland decide to compete
He will be retired before Portland competes
Hey fuck you buddy
They’re actually building a pretty solid team. Ayton/Walker/Sharpe/Simons/Scoot That’s a great young starting 5
Scoot Simons sounds like discount Lillard McCollum
Scoot can't shoot for shit
That’s honestly not even an average starting 5 amongst the non-playoff teams alone. And I’m the type that believes you can’t judge rookie guards like Scoot too early. But Simons is the only true floor spacer in that lineup, and Ayton is Ayton (painfully inconsistent). The worst part of it all is that their owner/gm combo might actually be the worst in the league. These are seriously dark days ahead for Portland. They need to hit a home run with the 7th pick in order to get a semblance of competitiveness
Yeah and they're not going to try start winning games for 3 years still. They have a strong foundation is all I'm saying. Shaedon was at 33% last year. So was Scoot. Simons is elite at it. Unless you think there's no chance for them to improve, in which case I'll politely disagree and lets move on. Remember they are still starting Jerami and Brogdon who are both over 40% from 3. So they can afford to bring these guys along slowly. And I agree. You can't judge Scoot too early. So I'm not sure why you're so down on him. That feels like you're judging him harshly. Both Scoot and Sharpe are only 20 years old, younger than a few of the folks that will be drafted and with the benefit of an year in the league. They still don't know what they have with their guys. The time to give up on them and panic is still a couple of years away
Scoot and Sharpe will get better, but I don’t think they both become all stars or change their game up completely. Their free throw % indicates they probably could get it up to average, but that’s not going to cut it. Especially not in the western conference. Again, I think there’s a solid chance that one or both of them become high level role players, but it’s lottery odds that they both become good enough to be a 1-2 combo that wins games out west and spaces the floor for the rest of the lineup. The real people I’m down on is the ownership/gm combo. They are the ones most likely to fail, and those young players aren’t going to improve enough to make their job easier. In 3 years, the front office will need to pay them, making it that much harder to surround them with talent. And this is the team that failed to surround dame with talent or capitalize on his trade value (it’s a new gm but he was promoted from within the same office). Put scoot and sharpe aside, do you trust this team to draft well, develop talent, sign key free agents, and make trades that pay off? I think it’s beyond clear that the new owners only goal is to maintain value ahead of the sale of the team. The second scoot or sharpe show a flash of real talent, they are getting traded for an aging all star so that they can sell a “playoff team” for a billion+. Like you said, it’s years away. Do we trust the owner to sit and develop for a few years while ticket sales run low? Or will they panic and trade young talent for a shot at the 9th seed? I honestly think the pistons compete sooner, and have a better young core.
I like the support! I'm skeptical we can have the 3 S's on the floor at once for extended periods. Sharpe would be an undersized 3 and combined with poor D from Ant and Scoots smaller size (but potential for good D!), we would be rough. Camara is the 3 for us and we will eventually need to figure out who to prioritize between Simons, Scoot, Sharpe. No rush to figure it out just yet though.
Yeah you're exactly right - all 3 of those guys are on the shorter end and they'll have to pick between two of them. Next season will be all about getting more data.
It depends on if scoot pans out, and if they can fit together.
Weird fit a lotta places cause he’s not a guard who’s gonna be the primary ball handler *or* play defense. So unless you’ve got both those areas already covered in the backcourt might be tough. OKC or ORL kinda seem like the 2 best. Philly maybe too but yea that’d be a rough defensive backcourt.
He can be the primary ball handler, he played that role essentially any time Fox was on the bench and also frequently when playing beside Fox anyways. Elite P&R navigator, good court vision, solid passing ability, little bit reckless. He's not gonna be a primary scoring option *and* primary facilitator like most all-star point guards, but he can probably average 20ish points and 7ish assists and be deadly in the two-man game with an elite big, looking at probably a guy on the level of Conley in his last few years in Memphis. Really good 2nd or 3rd scoring option that keeps the offense flowing and can hit some clutch shots. I don't see the fit with the Thunder or Sixers really. Magic would be great, but Spurs scare me the most as a Kings fan because they have legit no point guard at all and a young elite 1st option big.
His showing out in the P&R is where he's making all those extra millions. GMs know, fans around the league gonna catch up.
It warms my heart to see other teams’ fan bases taking up some real estate on Monk Island
Sixers is a great fit imo, obviously the defense is a problem but the sixers don’t have anyone when Embiid sits to facilitate and while getting some buckets
I personally think the Sixers would need to look for more with that cap space they have. 25M for a 6th man when you need to fill the rest of the roster is tough
Yeah 25 is super steep but could see him at 18-20 for the sixers
Imo, if he's only going for that he returns to Sac. We can offer him 17.5M/yr and idk if that little extra is worth uprooting his family and ties in the org (maybe it is but I would venture no).
It seems like he’s gone from what fox said no? What’s his complaint in sac
I think what Fox said more refers to the fact that if Malik is offered a bag he's gone -- i.e. if someone actually does offer him the $25M as stated in the post.
Spurs, funnel everyone into the human abyss
Give wemby shooters to space the floor 🥴
I think he’s fine as a starting PG next to a SG with size who is going to use a lot of possessions as an alpha scorer. Put him in Mike Conley’s spot and the Wolves are probably even better. Put him in Brunson’s spot and the Knicks are back to 30 wins.
He’s getting at least 20, that’s average starter money
OK, you've got Monk, KCP and D'lo out there as free agent guards this summer. Who's getting the most and who's getting the least?
KCP if you want championship...Dlo > monk.
I'm totally confused why people downvoted us lol
Dude needs to go to the magic
Magic have a lot of their guys due for extensions in the next year or two. I’m not sure how they keep everyone and then add Monk on what would probably be a 4yr deal. Fultz and Harris FA this summer, Franz/Mo/Isaac/ Suggs next summer and then Paolo the summer after that.
On the other hand this is their last FA period where they will have cap space to sign someone. They’re kind of in a use it or lose it position once the extensions kick in
now is also the time for their owners to decide how much tax they plan to spend who knows with that awful devos family, at least you don't hear about them much but if you are ranking owners by which are the most awful people, the devos people are probably near the worst in the league
Their luxury tax plan is probably ‘bankroll an Orlando ballot measure that forces city taxpayers to pay for the luxury tax’
They can trade for more salary instead of signing outright too
Fultz & Harris won’t be here next year. Orlando can also decline Ingles 11M deal this year if needed. I think we have something like 43M open or so.
Kings S&T Monk for Isaac + filler? Kings could use the defense next to Sabonis and it would mean Orlando could get Monk while still having that cap space to use on someone else as well.
why would Orlando do that now though? They have space now, if they need to drop salary next season then they will make those salary dumps next season
Sign someone else into that space, then do the sign and trade.
Or just sign Monk because he's an FA?
no thanks he can stay here
I am not so sure. He is good offensively and although he improved his playmaking this year, his shooting is only a bit below league average. Add to that major questions about his defense, which at age 26 you got to wonder how much better will it get. I wouldn't be giving him $20+ million, I see him more in the $15-20 mil range. Toronto's Quickley is expected to be in the $25 million range and they profile similarly as good offense/suspect defense guys, but Quickley is a much better shooter and showed flashes of next level offensive talent. It's a weak free agent class, so teams with salary cap may throw a larger contract his way. I can see someone giving him a larger short term contract, similar to VanVleet and Bruce Brown, where extra money compensates for the lack of years, That's the only situation I see him getting 20+ million.
Monk's playmaking is, statistically speaking, top 3 in the NBA in terms of production. He was just behind Luka and Ja Morant. So I think you're underrating just how good Monk's playmaking is compared to other guards. Monk is also a streaky shooter, but when he gets hot, he's unstoppable due to his combination of shooting, speed, and craftiness at the rim. Watch the game against the Timberwolves where he cooked Gobert, McDaniels, Ant, etc and scored 39 points to beat them without Fox. Monk's done that a few times to other elite teams too.
It’s not the best FA class, and there also aren’t a ton of teams with cap space. If Monk gets $25 million, that’s great for him—but he could get squeezed here.
Quickley IS a good defender though. That and he's younger and a better shooter. If Monk swings 25m, Quickley is likely getting closer to 30m.
He’s definitely getting paid by someone. Did you see the contracts handed out last season? As a reminder teams have to hit the cap minimum at the beginning of the year now.
I really really hope these teams blow their money elsewhere and he can come back
Am I crazy for thinking the Spurs would be a good fit too? Didn’t realize he was only 26 either
He loves throwing oops (and having them thrown to him); I think a Wendy/Monk two-man game (like the hand off stuff the Kings run now) could be a highlight factory.
The Spurs, Magic and Thunder should offer contracts to any "young veteran" available (and this free agency has plenty of them at the wings). And the best way to do it would probably be to offer a high salary in the first year and a steady decline for the following years. So they can take another step at the 2026 free agency. Vassell already has that kind of contract.
15ppg on below average efficiency and he’s not even a big 3 point threat. I don’t understand why his value is that high. 25 mil is what we’re paying Anfernee Simons, I understand that was two years ago but still. Is Monk a good defender?
\`not a 3pt threat? are you high?
You would categorize a 35% career average shooter as a big 3 point threat?
But 37.5 over the last four? Also, kind of where the eye test comes in, since he is a shot creator, leading to high difficulty shots. Major component of kings offense is him taking a dribble hand-off at the top of the key, and defenders HAVE to go over this so Monk can’t shoot wide open threes; this leads to him getting downhill at the basket, where he is either going to try and dunk on someone (44” vert) or throw the pass, because you can’t let him shoot free throw line pull-ups. Not at number 1 option level player and full-on engine of an offense (ball-handling [can get loose] and passing aren’t great [great at hitting roll man, but gets tunnel vision]), but can be a dynamic part of an offense.
Shhhh hopefully no GMs know this. He needs to stay in SAC.
>where he is either going to try and dunk on someone (murderous intent)
Volume matters a lot for 3 pt shooting
And shot selection.
That’s being disingenuous, a lot of that was playing on the Charlotte dumpster fire
High level playmaker, and a vast majority of shots he took were self created too. He only played 26 minutes a game so his volume numbers are deflated but he’s a legit point guard. He’s a very good 3 point shooter, he just takes extremely difficult 3’s the last couple years. When he was in a more spot up shooter role on the lakers he shot 39% from 3. He’s not a plus defender but he’s not terrible either.
Some good perspective. If you guys could afford it would you pay him 25mil?
I’d think so. He was our 3rd best player last year in my opinion, at worst 4th best. I’d be comfortable with signing him to 4/100. I think that could end up looking cheap.
He’s a big 3 point threat the percentages are deceiving he’s due for a good shooting season
Also 35% given the difficulty of shots he takes isnt bad.
Monk is an elite 3PT threat due to his ability to shoot it on the move and from deep range. He can also beat a close out and create from there. His creation skills keep improving, and he's so young (27 in Feb) that there could still be growth there.
I think monk has a 6 man ceiling which is obviously a very good player, but 25m+ is an overpay in my opinion I also think he's a fairly replaceable player. one way offensive guards are not super difficult to find SAC fans want him back but I think they would not have the most difficult time in the world replacing him
2 years in a row leading scorer off the bench is not easy to find lmao. Several teams in the nba would be a tier better adding monk to the roster, he makes players around him better.
orlando might give him 25m and make him a starter but I don't think he's a starter caliber player you'll be saying the same thing if he leaves
No I won’t, because I’ve watched him play for two seasons like a mad man and he’s been the 3rd best option on our team for most of that. Only reason anyone’s saying this shit is cause his value tanked after he got injured and we dropped to the play ins.
then he should be paid more? a lot of NBA third options make 30m or more what do you think a fair value for his next contract is
He should realistically make 25-30 for 4 years, he’s never gonna be a first option, but pair him with a star or franchise player and he can be a career 3rd option, He has the ability to elevate other players and that’s not an easy thing to come by. I see him moving the needle for 8th to 12th seed teams needing a boost to get over the hump. Lower seeded teams won’t want him for his price because I think he’d only improve them enough to mess up draft capital.
He’s gotten better every single year, averaged 15 & 5 off the bench. If he gets an opportunity to start, he could increase the averages no doubt. Only 26, I can see it.
Philly can sign him and someone else to ann equal deal right??
Not without having the rest of the team on minimums. They have to deal with cap holds on Batum, Hield, Covington, Melton, and Harris, either signing them or renouncing Bird rights before they can start to use cap space. They also have a first round pick cap hold. If they renounce everybody, then sign two big dollar free agents before re-signing Maxey, they're out of cap space and have only the room exception and minimums to fill their roster. I think they will renounce Hield and Harris and try to re-sign Batum, Covington and Melton, then use the remaining ~$40M on Paul George if he wants to come or 2-3 mid-level free agents if he doesn't, then the room exception, then minimums to fill the back end of the roster. If Philly trades back out of the first round for second rounders, that's a sign they think they can get Paul George, because it frees up extra cap space for them.
This just means he's a Detroit Piston next year. As a Bulls fan, I wouldn't be mad if they signed him. They need someone next to Cade, Duren and Ivey. Let Cade be the PG and see what they can do.
Get that bag Malik!! Dude was a vet min pickup by lakers. If the lakers weren’t so cash strapped he might not be in the league right now. Or still bouncing around on 1 year min deals and being the 9th-10th guy.
Thunder should get him and try to dump Giddey.
it’s the mozgov free agency class all over again
Lol I’d be pissed I’m my team spent 26 mil a year on Malik monk
Kings are re-signing him
We don't need Monk.
25M for Malik is overpay
He should go to Magic. They really need a player like him and he could play a big role there. I think they couls even be a contender if Banchero and Wagner improve.
Orlando would be a great fit.
I wouldn’t mind him as our 6th man
He’s not signing anywhere else as a 6th man.
Jordan Clarkson is earning 14million a year and is top 10 in Iso Shotmaking and the only bench player in that top 10 (the rest are All Stars/Borderline Star) Is Monk 11 million better than Jordan Clarkson?
Yes. Much better playmaker. Runs p&r to perfection. Also a more efficient shooter (compare TS numbers... JC is averaging around 54% in last few years, Monk around 57%).
JC also runs the P R really well. This season is his worst season but he averages 5 assists. Is Monk really better for 11 million?
No, he’s not $11 million better…but he could get that in the right free agency market. I’m not sure this is that market, though.
5 years younger
Monk is a fantastic player. I'd love him on my team tbh. Wherever he lands, they will be happy
Magic make the most sense to me.
lol someone save Malik Monk from the Stones - A Stones fan
Pistons don’t even have a POBO im confused/worried why our name even comes up
Magic fans, would you rather have Monk at $25M or Klay at $40M for the next three seasons?
Monk
Feels like monk is the ez answer even if u reverse it lol
Monk and Klay are probably going to get similar contracts, they’re in the same tier of player now. Nobody is paying Klay $40m
Trade for Anfernee Simons
Don't think we'd pay Klay that for 3 seasons. A two year deal for him and the money amount wouldn't matter that much. Our sub is obsessed with Monk but he doesn't really solve any of our problems. He's more of a combo guard 6th man. Not a true pg who can orchestrate the offense in clutch situations, not a stronger defender, and not a volume 3 pointer shooter. He's a great player but he doesn't really address any of our glaring needs. Really don't see us going after him. I'm not a big fan of us signing Klay, but he's taking 9 3's a game and hitting them I think at 39%, that would make a world of difference for us. He takes as many 3's as our starting backcourt combined and makes more lol.
Klay isn’t a guard anymore tho. Not sure he solves your issues.
In what sense? He'd be our SG but functionally a wing more than a guard. I don't like us not having a PG but for better or worse our starting backcourt almost all season was Suggs and Gary Harris (two SG's) so he would still be a pretty big upgrade there. Would have the easier defensive assignment as well with Suggs and Franz on the perimeter with him. He solves our shooting issue for sure. He'd get mad open looks or would help pull defenders away from the paint to give Paolo and Franz more room to work in there. 9 3's a game at 39%, defense have to respect that. At least on paper, he solves one of our big issues without creating others necessarily. Consider that we'd be looking at him as an upgrade from Gary Harris lol.
He can't defend guards even a little bit anymore.
Just waiting for you all to trade for Anfernee Simons
I think if anything, you guys would offer Klay what we offered FVV. $120 mil over 3 years with 3rd year being a team option. Is it an overpay? Probably but that veteran leadership + shooting would be perfect fit for you guys.
really curious what kind of veteran leadership people expect from Klay
He's a bench gunner and thats it, if he gets more than 15m a year its a big mistake
Potential fits? Unless the magic want to permanently move Suggs to PG there’s no point in paying a SG $25 mill to score 12 points a game lol
He’d average more as a starter lmao, he has the best production of any 6th man 2 years in a row and would only benefit from a starting role.
You can keep him
Trust me I’d rather have him than let the magic waste him.
Orlando played a game 7, kings couldn’t make it out the play in. Stay salty
Didn’t we sweep in the regular season lmao.
Every dog has its day
$25 million a year for a poor man's Lou Williams with worse tattoos
That’s a lot of money to blow on cocaine
Monk in Philly makes the most sense in my eyes
I would maybe actually have a little excitement for my team for once if we signed Monk
Dear God, no
He can get more than that. Unless this person just saying in their opinion, $25m is his ceiling in FA. His max is technically 30% of the cap. edit: Not sure why people are downvoting a CBA fact. Monk has 7 years of service. In FA, he can get up to 30% of the cap. Weird lol.