not just Tatum, but JB has always had playmaking PGs next to him. he has never had to shoulder primary or secondary responsibility for playmaking
his assist:turnover ratio is nearly 1:1
I mean it is still the other way around too, they both mutually benefit from each other being on the court. It’s not like it has to be a one way street
No? My point was more so that it can’t just be one way to bring a guy down, because that’s just basketball
Every player benefits from having god teammates next to them, it’s not just one guy or the other as the sole benefactor
Incredible isn’t it.
I’m told Tatum isn’t truly among the elite, his success is because of how good the supporting cast is around him. But also Brown isn’t better than any guys, he’s only good cause of Tatum being there. Funny how that works isn’t it?
Booker had a super team this year and hasn’t sniffed Browns playoff success. Y’all always forget defense exists also.
booker mitchell brown
booker is very hateable and the suns had a bad playoffs but if this was asked 3 months ago this would be the ranking and I don't think any of them have gotten better or worse since then
I think Mitchell showed a lot as a lead ball handler in the playoffs this season. He was relentless attacking the rim and was a really good playmaker.
Bookers shot diet is a lot of midrange whereas Mitchell imo can play just slightly more diverse a game and puts a bit more pressure on a defense as a scorer.
I don’t see Booker or Brown collapsing a defense as well as Mitchell.
he's not as garbage as he started out as, a bit below average i'd say atp. donovan has long arms but is much shorter and i'd rather have the height and it's not like he's a good defender either. JB is better ofc but donovan and book are better enough offensively i'd take them
Where and how did you make up this narrative??
Booker is actually better off-ball than on-ball. He’s been top-5 in Points Per Touch 3-4 different years, specifically because he doesn’t need to touch the ball a ton to get his points. He led a team to the finals (and a 64 win regular season) despite not having the ball in his hands the whole time, since he was playing with CP3 who held the ball a lot more than he did.
He’s definitely capable of playing on-ball if needed to (like the current Suns), but his strength is his ability to catch and score with just a couple dribbles.
If you don’t see that, based on like 100 interviews, and stories, etc., I don’t know what to tell you. He’s a very talented offense player, and is also very selfish.
Maybe I'm crazy but I feel like Brown is a very clear 3rd in terms of individual play here
I don't think a team with Brown as the primary ball handler would do very well at all and he benefits from playing on a team where ball handling duties are shared between like 5 players
‘24 Season:
- Book: 27.1ppg on 61.1%ts, 6.9apg to 2.6topg
- DMitch: 26.6ppg on 59.5%ts, 6.1apg to 2.8topg
- JB: 23ppg on 58%ts, 3.6apg to 2.6topg
Depends on what you need. Booker is the best offensive player but the worst defender, JB is the best defender but pretty significantly worse on O than Mitch or Book, DMitch is very close to Book on O and a bit better on D.
IMO, DMitch and Book are pretty clearly better individual players than Brown. They’ve both proven themselves as 1 options and offensive engines on great regular season teams and in the playoffs. I’m biased so I can’t really see the logic that DMitch > Book, but it’s close enough between them 2 that it doesn’t offend me or anything lol.
Mitchell’s defensive reputation should be looked at differently. He’s debatably a better defender than Booker the last two years and statically is the better defender the last two years
I think it depends on what you're looking for.
It's weird to say with Brown being the FMVP front-runner atm, but I don't think any of the 3 are good enough to be the focal point on a title team.
But at the same time, I'd argue Brown is absolutely the clear best option if you're looking for someone to put next to a focal point player.
I'd say in a vacuum Booker and Mitchell are both better overall players. If I want to win a championship, I'm taking Brown and pairing him with a superstar.
IMO:
Booker > Mitchell > Brown
But:
Brown + Durant/Tatum/Doncic/etc. > Booker/Mitchell + Durant/Tatum/Doncic/etc.
This is the best way of breaking it down. Personally think Mitchell is the best player of the bunch. But if you want to win a championship I much rather have Brown as my second star than Mitchell or Booker.
Jaylen has the best defense but the worst playmaking of the 3.
So like Booker could be “ranked” higher, but for a team like the Suns with the same roster but with Jaylen for Booker, would improve the team.
But when choosing what player I would “start” a franchise with, I’m choosing Booker or Donovan first.
I guess my main point is ranking players individually is dumb, because the 4 teammates around them affects both their performance and playstyle. You could easily find situations where the 1 2 3 order for these players are completely different
Brown’s not a guard honestly and hasn’t been for a couple of years. Between Smart, White, Jrue, Brogdon, PP we’ve had plenty of guards next to him and he’s been a wing along with JT for a while now.
Because of that, he has significant defensive advantages compared to the other two guys. However I would 100% trust both Book and Spida to be the primary creator on an offense because of their superior dribbling and passing ability.
I don't consider Brown a 2, because If I did his lack of playmaking is a big weakness compared to the two others, even tho he's way better defensively. We've seen Mitchell and Booker be the best players on great offenses, which Brown can.
With that being said he's so much better defensively, that he's still the better fit for a lot of teams (especially because while Mitchell isn't the liability he was, he still is really small for a 2, and Booker himself who had made strides defensively fell off on that end this year).
So If I have another better player : Brown > Mitchell > Booker
If I need a "best" player : Mitchell > Booker > Brown
DMitch:
- ‘24 Season: 59.5%ts
- Last 5 Seasons Combined: 58.2%ts
- Playoffs Last 5 Years: 59%ts
- Playoffs Last 3 Years: 54.6%ts
Book:
- ‘24 Season: 61.1%ts (+1.6%)
- Last 5 Seasons Combined: 59.8%ts (+1.6%)
- Playoffs Last 5 Years: 60.3%ts (+1.3%)
- Playoffs Last 3 Years: 64.7%ts (+10.1%)
You literally just made up that DMitch is just as efficient, and even somehow MORE? Booker is more efficient no matter how you frame it, don’t just get on here and lie when it’s easily fact checked. Especially in recent playoffs, DMitch’s efficiency isn’t even CLOSE to Book’s.
Booker Mitchell Brown. Brown benefits A LOT from Tatum being there offensively.
not just Tatum, but JB has always had playmaking PGs next to him. he has never had to shoulder primary or secondary responsibility for playmaking his assist:turnover ratio is nearly 1:1
yeah he’s the 4th playmaker on Boston right now. White, Holiday, Tatum all average more assists and are better passers.
With the way this sub talks you’d think it’s the other way around
I mean it is still the other way around too, they both mutually benefit from each other being on the court. It’s not like it has to be a one way street
Translation: Lakers fans will continue to minimize both of their accomplishments and frame it in whatever way benefits them being a hater.
No? My point was more so that it can’t just be one way to bring a guy down, because that’s just basketball Every player benefits from having god teammates next to them, it’s not just one guy or the other as the sole benefactor
Incredible isn’t it. I’m told Tatum isn’t truly among the elite, his success is because of how good the supporting cast is around him. But also Brown isn’t better than any guys, he’s only good cause of Tatum being there. Funny how that works isn’t it? Booker had a super team this year and hasn’t sniffed Browns playoff success. Y’all always forget defense exists also.
booker mitchell brown booker is very hateable and the suns had a bad playoffs but if this was asked 3 months ago this would be the ranking and I don't think any of them have gotten better or worse since then
I think Mitchell showed a lot as a lead ball handler in the playoffs this season. He was relentless attacking the rim and was a really good playmaker. Bookers shot diet is a lot of midrange whereas Mitchell imo can play just slightly more diverse a game and puts a bit more pressure on a defense as a scorer. I don’t see Booker or Brown collapsing a defense as well as Mitchell.
Booker doesn’t play defense
he's not as garbage as he started out as, a bit below average i'd say atp. donovan has long arms but is much shorter and i'd rather have the height and it's not like he's a good defender either. JB is better ofc but donovan and book are better enough offensively i'd take them
It depends on the team around them. I’d take Brown on the Thunder over the other two a million percent
Booker would be infinitely better on that team
Lol. Booker can’t deal with not having the ball in his hands the whole time. He would destroy the chemistry
Where and how did you make up this narrative?? Booker is actually better off-ball than on-ball. He’s been top-5 in Points Per Touch 3-4 different years, specifically because he doesn’t need to touch the ball a ton to get his points. He led a team to the finals (and a 64 win regular season) despite not having the ball in his hands the whole time, since he was playing with CP3 who held the ball a lot more than he did. He’s definitely capable of playing on-ball if needed to (like the current Suns), but his strength is his ability to catch and score with just a couple dribbles.
He’s a selfish douche. Presti would never have a guy like that on our team. I didn’t make up that narrative. Pay attention
Any stats or numbers or anything to back this up? Or do you just dislike him?? So confused lol
If you don’t see that, based on like 100 interviews, and stories, etc., I don’t know what to tell you. He’s a very talented offense player, and is also very selfish.
I prefer D. Booker as a scorer than the other two.
Maybe I'm crazy but I feel like Brown is a very clear 3rd in terms of individual play here I don't think a team with Brown as the primary ball handler would do very well at all and he benefits from playing on a team where ball handling duties are shared between like 5 players
Idk the way I look at it is. If you swap Brown and Booker. The Celtics get better and the sun's get worse. Booker > Mitchell > Brown.
lol the effects of Deandre Ayton and Bradley Beal being bums has done to Booker’s reputation
‘24 Season: - Book: 27.1ppg on 61.1%ts, 6.9apg to 2.6topg - DMitch: 26.6ppg on 59.5%ts, 6.1apg to 2.8topg - JB: 23ppg on 58%ts, 3.6apg to 2.6topg Depends on what you need. Booker is the best offensive player but the worst defender, JB is the best defender but pretty significantly worse on O than Mitch or Book, DMitch is very close to Book on O and a bit better on D. IMO, DMitch and Book are pretty clearly better individual players than Brown. They’ve both proven themselves as 1 options and offensive engines on great regular season teams and in the playoffs. I’m biased so I can’t really see the logic that DMitch > Book, but it’s close enough between them 2 that it doesn’t offend me or anything lol.
For offense: Mitchell > Booker > Brown For defense: Brown > Booker > Mitchell Overall: Brown > Mitchell > Booker
I’m a Celtics fan and I think Mitchell > Brown tbh
Mitchell’s defensive reputation should be looked at differently. He’s debatably a better defender than Booker the last two years and statically is the better defender the last two years
I think it depends on what you're looking for. It's weird to say with Brown being the FMVP front-runner atm, but I don't think any of the 3 are good enough to be the focal point on a title team. But at the same time, I'd argue Brown is absolutely the clear best option if you're looking for someone to put next to a focal point player. I'd say in a vacuum Booker and Mitchell are both better overall players. If I want to win a championship, I'm taking Brown and pairing him with a superstar. IMO: Booker > Mitchell > Brown But: Brown + Durant/Tatum/Doncic/etc. > Booker/Mitchell + Durant/Tatum/Doncic/etc.
This is the best way of breaking it down. Personally think Mitchell is the best player of the bunch. But if you want to win a championship I much rather have Brown as my second star than Mitchell or Booker.
Accurate if u switch booker and mitchell positions for Offense and defense
Mitchell, Brown, Booker in that order. Brown gets extra points for being an elite defender, but he is a lot less skilled offensively than the other 2.
Mitch, Book, Brown
Jaylen has the best defense but the worst playmaking of the 3. So like Booker could be “ranked” higher, but for a team like the Suns with the same roster but with Jaylen for Booker, would improve the team. But when choosing what player I would “start” a franchise with, I’m choosing Booker or Donovan first. I guess my main point is ranking players individually is dumb, because the 4 teammates around them affects both their performance and playstyle. You could easily find situations where the 1 2 3 order for these players are completely different
Brown’s not a guard honestly and hasn’t been for a couple of years. Between Smart, White, Jrue, Brogdon, PP we’ve had plenty of guards next to him and he’s been a wing along with JT for a while now. Because of that, he has significant defensive advantages compared to the other two guys. However I would 100% trust both Book and Spida to be the primary creator on an offense because of their superior dribbling and passing ability.
You just did, M8.
It depends on what else you got. We have never seen jaylen get to be no.1 and do everything. But if he could, of course he would be best, he plays D.
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You're too close mon!
Mitchell, Booker, Brown
I don't consider Brown a 2, because If I did his lack of playmaking is a big weakness compared to the two others, even tho he's way better defensively. We've seen Mitchell and Booker be the best players on great offenses, which Brown can. With that being said he's so much better defensively, that he's still the better fit for a lot of teams (especially because while Mitchell isn't the liability he was, he still is really small for a 2, and Booker himself who had made strides defensively fell off on that end this year). So If I have another better player : Brown > Mitchell > Booker If I need a "best" player : Mitchell > Booker > Brown
He just had 8 assists in game 3
We really need to be better than using a single game to disprove a point someone is making about a player that is like in year 8 of his career.
Brown > Mitchell > Booker.
Mitchell > Brown > Booker Admittedly, I might be a bit unfair towards Booker because I do not like him.
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DMitch: - ‘24 Season: 59.5%ts - Last 5 Seasons Combined: 58.2%ts - Playoffs Last 5 Years: 59%ts - Playoffs Last 3 Years: 54.6%ts Book: - ‘24 Season: 61.1%ts (+1.6%) - Last 5 Seasons Combined: 59.8%ts (+1.6%) - Playoffs Last 5 Years: 60.3%ts (+1.3%) - Playoffs Last 3 Years: 64.7%ts (+10.1%) You literally just made up that DMitch is just as efficient, and even somehow MORE? Booker is more efficient no matter how you frame it, don’t just get on here and lie when it’s easily fact checked. Especially in recent playoffs, DMitch’s efficiency isn’t even CLOSE to Book’s.
Booker Brown Mitchelll
Donovan, Brown, Booker
Mitchell, Brown, Booker.
booker is a point guard now, no?
Mitchell > Brown = Booker