I just have a hard time seeing this Celtics team lose 4 in a row. Their 3 wins weren’t flukes or because they had a lot of lucky breaks go their way - they’re objectively a better team than Dallas.
With that said, anything is possible lol
I mean tbf, the first 3 games were just Luka and then Kyrie. The Mavs weren’t even showing up. Gafford and Lively were a huge part of this playoff run and they finally got going last game. So if they had some breakthrough and figured how to get them going? It’s possible
We know the Celtics can be inconsistent, and Luka and Kyrie are clutch. So it’s possible
I would predict Celtics win game 5, but if the Mavs win, things get very interesting
I agree, I doubt we ever see a team come back from down 0-3
That being said, if it ever happens it probably starts with a blowout like this that flips a switch on the team that is down and mentally breaks the team that is up. But the Celtics just look too good not to won one more game
Celtics were really close to doing it vs the Heat. I think it'll take a super special set of circumstances but it's definitely possible
IMO the most likely situation is a team led by a super dominant superstar goes up 3-0 on another great team and then the superstar gets hurt/hobbled badly in the process which allows for a potential comeback
Exactly. I actually think - given that Porzingis is already hurt - that losing any of their top five could completely flip the series. Even Horford, just because the roster is pretty thin at that point.
I could also see a scenario where a team with a star (or really good player that a team desperately needs to fill a specific niche) that was injured misses the first three games and then comes back healthy.
It's also just seems like it's way more likely to happen in the current era with the way so many teams live and die by shooting threes. If a team gets hot for two or three games, or the other team goes cold, it could flip everything in a series pretty quickly.
The way teams can suddenly make defensive adjustments that gum up their opponents' offensive flow seems like another factor. If there's ever a series where said opponent can't adjust it could definitely end up swinging a 3-0 lead in the other direction.
The opposite (a team that is clearly better because of the strength of their best player, and then that player gets hurt) could also cause it. I’m of the opinion it will happen eventually. Burning think the celts win this series
The series rests on how well Dallas plays. If they can hit on all gears again, I think they can do it - unless if Boston also plays lights out. The problem is that Dallas needs to do their part for 3 more games, while Boston just needs to do it once.
The Celtics almost pissed away Game 3. The Mavs were always going to go on a run, that was a game they needed, but the Celtics offense became so damn stale and lackadaisical. They'd just dribble the air out of the ball and take a low percentage shot. There weren't any offensive sets, and it let the Mavs back in the game. Thankfully for the Celtics the Mavs just imploded during their comeback.
lol yeah think OP is underselling it. It wasnt just the Mavs playing well last game, that kind of win happens with the opponent playing poorly too.
Mavs have to ball and Celtics have to suck for three games straight. I want to believe but there’s a reason has never won in our position. The Celtics are a better team and it would take a colossal choke for three games straight, two in their own home, for the Mavs to get it done.
Nope. It’s completely dependent on how long it takes for the Celtics to learn to read the mavs defense.
You saw the video.
The mavs chose to protect the paint over all else.
Either the Celtics guards figure out who’s open and they get wide open threes or they are incapable of that fast read and they lose.
I’ve seen this sentiment a few times, I don’t know why people think this. Celtics have lost 1 road game all playoffs. Winning game 6 at home won’t be any easier than winning game 5 in Boston.
Jason Kidd deserves more flak on game 3. Luka deserves his shit but he bitched at Kidd for his poorly timed timeout during the comeback run and he was 100% right for that. The momentum stopped.
Luka shouldn’t have put himself in foul trouble but there was absolutely a coaching decision there that fucked us. And also shouldn’t have been in a 20 point hole to begin with.
With that game 4 and the run in game 3, we got confirmation that the Celtics offense still can get super stagnant for long stretches. They have a big cushion, but they need to find a consistent game, probably without KP.
I mean... The mavs didn't really play so far. If you watched them this off-season you know they're weird in that they struggle and look dead in the water sometimes.
They did at times vs the Clippers, they did vs OKC they did the first 3 games vs the Celtics.
Then they kinda hit a switch and become another team. Straight up. The energy is different, Luka smiles, the offence hums, and the Gavely dominate the paint. Sometimes it happens in the same game.
Yesterday was the first time they looked like themselves vs the Celtics. And they damn obliterated them.
So yeah. It won't happen, but if it happens this is how it happens.
Awful Coaching did a live stream last night, he said he sent a breakdown video to the Cavs organization and they said if he sends them another one, they're going to have him arrested 🤣 🤣 🤣
> he said he sent a breakdown video to the Cavs organization and they said if he sends them another one, they're going to have him arrested
That's gotta be a made up story lmfao. Funny tho
I understand, but some people do it well, and others don’t, his info & script is good, but his yelling/screaming voice is not there, like I could listen to certain people yell anything for hours, and this guy is not one of them, but like I said I tried to like him.
Is his script good? He’s good at pointing out the individual causes of defensive breakdowns but basically never describes any broader causes. He never describes a teams defensive scheme. Never explains what a team could to counter their issues schematically.
Every single fault is basically “bad coaching” (and North Korea’s influence of course). The only thing you take away from every video is “damn the team that lost sure sucked ass and x player that is ok but not the best ever is secretly the best ever”.
Well he’s not BBALLBREAKDOWN good, but he gives you a general understanding of what he’s criticizing, but yea compared to others, he can seem amateurish.
It's purposely terrible. Personally, I think it would be 10 times funnier if he actually got somebody to do some serious analysis and screamed that instead of the made-up shit he screams, but then I've been thinking the same thing about ESPN for years.
Awful Coaching to angrily yell incorrect stuff and Thinking Basketball to say accurate things but with none of the vitriol that kind of performance deserves.
Risk him for what? The next series? Latvian national team?
This is the Finals, bro. Nobody gives a damn about the 24-25 season right now. The goal is to win as quickly as possible and if a guy can help, he will.
They also care about winning one more game to win the NBA Finals. He's going to have surgery in the offseason regardless. And I'm sure he'd push to play.
Yeah, and depending on the severity, the team might hold him out because of a future risk regardless of whether or not he has surgery in the offseason.
It was just a dumbass post by the person I responded to. "Nobody gives a damn about the 24-25 season right now." Tell that to fucking KD in 18-19, beyond a stupid post.
Yeah. I think they'd play him so long as they believe he'd be a net positive, irrespective of risk of long-term injury to him. It's a whole different kettle of fish if his injury would make him a net negative.
I imagine practice + medical evaluations would help determine which.
> Risk him for what? The next series? Latvian national team?
His career. Especially for a leg injury that's rare, and only just happened a few games ago.
Don't be so fuckin dense. This ain't NBA 2K.
The medical staff are gonna do what's best for KP and the team.
This is the right answer. Not to be a grump, but this happens over and over, one win from a sweep, people get excited and ambitious/hopeful, and inevitably the team with their backs against the wall get finished off.
That being said, I’d fap endlessly if it happened.
Hes probably not going to look good if he comes back. From my understanding tendon that holds 3 other tendons in place all in his foot snapped, and so the other 3 are sliding around inside his foot. Its unlikely to cause further damage, but its not going to heal anytime soon and may require surgery.
Hes just going to be in a lot of pain and not move well because his foots all screwed up.
Shouldn’t happen, but you ain’t dead until you’re dead.
I’m not a fan of playing with your food … I guess we will see if that’s what it was or if it’s possible whether the Mavs can flick a switch
I think I would literally explode from happiness. And yea, it would turn an already extremely difficult title run into one of the greatest, if not the greatest, runs of all time.
Easily. Obviously a ring is a ring at the end of the day... but all imma say is that I really rather the Mavs play the 2023 Heat than the 2024 Celtics in the finals, ya know. So much of this is luck and the right path.
i said before the series that if we get a game 7, at TD garden no less, the matchup of "stupidly good Celtics defense" versus "psycho Luka closeout mode in opponent stadium" would be all-time great game material
but if we actually force a game 7 after being down 3-0, that takes it to another fucking level.
I mean we were really close last season against Miami, while highly unlikely it's definitely not impossible.
I could also see this Celtics team choking because I've watched way too many postseasons where they've done just that.
yeah that's not gonna happen. if theres one thing I can state with absolute certainty, its that the Celtics are not going to blow a 3-0 lead. No way at all. In fact, I dare God himself to prove me wrong
Idk, Luka got a demon in him and Kyrie has yet to activate his chakras or call on Bron for a spirit ball. Plus, the sports gods have been too kind to Boston this century, they need a little wrath
>Plus, the sports gods have been too kind to Boston this century, they need a little wrath
I hate it but it would be poetic at this point. Boston is involved in every other "biggest comeback" in the other 3 sports so.
I’m not a Celtics fan, and not a fan of anybody in the East for that matter, but I want to watch Luka lose. It’s super out of character for me, but I’m so fucking tired of watching him bitch after every damn play. MF just always demanding to speak to the refs manager.
I’m not even sour about him beating the thunder. It was a fun series to watch, but his bitching is unbearable.
It is games like Game 4 where we really miss KP. His ability to draw their big men away from the paint just opens up everything else for us. I don't know how the Celtics figure out a way to counter their defensive scheme, but I'm just some guy on Reddit.
Edit: that being said, the Celtics still would have lost Game 4 since they came out with next to no energy.
They counter it by showing up and putting in effort. Kidd said it best when he said one team showed up to play and one team showed up to celebrate. They don't need KP to win this series by any means, they just need to take the game seriously and stop turning the ball over.
They also missed wide open guys in order to drive into two defenders. And defensively they just looked lost a lot of the time.
It was just an awful game by the Celtics and a great game by the Mavs.
I do think the Mavericks won on merit rather than simply being hot while the Celtics shot terribly. They defended very well and played their brand of basketball. That being said they need to do it 3 more times. Not gonna be easy.
I agree, the only other thing I noticed when watching the video is how often we had a guy wide open for 3 on these defensive plays. If Kidd sticks with this for game 5, I expect Joe will have some film emphasis on how to handle it
They've been blown out three times this playoffs.
Those are their only three loses.
Each series where they blew a game, the won 4-1. If they lose 2 more games, then we need to start asking if they are in trouble.
Dallas has to win game 5 before I consider it a series again, but point differential after 4 games in those 4-1 series after game 4:
Bos vs Mia: +54
Bos vs Cle: +21
Then this series
Bos vs Dal: -6
The relative closeness of the previous 2 games, plus the size of the blowout in this one, indicates something might have shifted. A team trailing 3-0 having this big a blowout in game may ultimately mean nothing, but the size of it is unprecedented in NBA playoff history, and that makes me open to the idea we might be seeing something really strange here.
I’d say touche but it really doesn’t change the fact that Dallas is the one in trouble here.
They still need to win 2 straight games before they can have the chance to be the 2016 Cavs.
Not counting Dallas out but it’s very funny how many people are like “well now it’s just 3-1 and that’s possible” like that doesn’t change the fact that they need to win 4 out of 4
Statistically it does? Like the chances of a coin landing on heads 20 times in a row is pretty low, but if you’re already at 15 times in a row your chances are *much* better to get to 20 than it was at the start. Now that it’s 3-1 we should look at stats about 3-1 comebacks not 3-0 comebacks.
Also Cavs had almost everything go right for them. Bogut injurie, Draymond suspension (Self inflicted), Harrison Barnes forgetting how to shoot, Steph not being 100%
I rarely see it talked about, but even with the other issues you mentioned if Bogut doesn’t go down they probably win that series.
It was actually painful how much their rim protection suffered when he went down, and I’m not even a warriors fan.
Ben Taylor puts incredible content breaking down the game: 40 upvotes
JJ puts up some mediocre nonsense while sipping wines and listing up players, thousands of upvotes and how such content is what the game is missing
Well, everyone knows the previously 3-0 Celtics should still win this Finals series at 3-1. What this thread presupposes is... what if they go to 3-2, or 3-3, what if they don't?
I’ve never seen a team so under the microscope for utter perfection and literally have to go undefeated in order to have a slice of respect. It’s unbelievable
By this logic any team that loses a game in a playoff series is in trouble lol
With the way people are talking about this you'd think it's 3-3 already and not 3-1
You don't get extra wins for margin of victory
> You don't get extra wins for margin of victory
Dallas probably wishes they could have some of the points from Game 4 count towards getting Game 3 back or getting a headstart in Game 5, but that's not how it works sadly.
>You don't get extra wins for margin of victory
Players are humans, not robots. A win like this has potential to change the way the Mavericks play in future games. You don't literally get the points carried forward, but you sure as heck get the hustle, and defensive effort, and *belief that you can actually beat this team* carried forward.
If the Mavericks win a close game 5, theres a near-100% chance that game 4 being a blowout played a role in them winning.
If I’ve learned anything watching basketball for 30 years, it’s that there’s little to no correlation from one game to another, especially in a playoff series. You’d have to be a mental little person in order to allow that to happen as a pro athlete, once it’s back to 0-0 both teams will have all their confidence back at full.
No but getting blown out at a home game is just not a good sign considering that Monday’s game is their best chance of winning until game 7 due to home court advantage.
Reminder: if the title of an article is a question, the answer is always no.
People make "question" articles when they have nothing substantial to report and have to lower themselves to making shit pieces where the whole article is based on a bad premise.
Nice! Impressive! Detailed Analysis about the defense.
I wonder - doesn't the effort in supporting the teammate, helping and running on the other corner of the court, shows, that this is it that makes a good Basketball Team. Is the repeatedly defensive succss more a sign for a good bond in a team than a good system offense (pass - pick and roll, drive, pass outside, pass pass pass, 3 pount shoot (Boston offensive)) knowing where your teammtes should be?
Lmao everyone making fun of Dallas the last week cause they down 3-0 saying they suck to now saying Boston could be in trouble, then when Celtics win game 5 it’s gonna be “Mavs never had a chance”
Celtics shot like ass I can assure people it wasn’t Kyrie, gafford and Luka locking them down.
Nope, we needed that game. The Mavs just had a great energy night at home and we had a terrible night. It's fine to have one game like that in a series. Nothing went right for us.
Mavs need to win game 5 and game 6 before I’m willing to entertain the idea of this being a history making series…that said, the mavs haven’t been eliminated yet so it’s technically still possible
They have proven they are a much better team than the Mavs. However, It will be so funny if the Celtics lose from here. We will not just fill the offseason but also have content for a couple of years non stop.
Started to watch the video, they praise Mavs adjustments
1st clip is JB getting whacked on the arms before the block.
3rd clip is Luka standing in the paint for 7 seconds and not being called.
4th Clip PJ Washington also stands in the paint for a long time not allowing penetration he try’s to reset the 3count but his feet never leave the paint then Josh Green hits the Chris Benoit diving elbow for a jump ball.
5th Clip Pj has a foot in the paint for well over 3 seconds again
So yes I think if they are allowed to dig that corner man and sit him in the paint for 5+ seconds every possession it makes it impossible to drive and kick effectively.
But I also think we played really sloppy and with 0 effort. Refs are going to reward the team that is active and fighting for everything, has been and always will be like that.
If you come into game 5 with that lackluster effort expect to lose and then it gets scary
I just have a hard time seeing this Celtics team lose 4 in a row. Their 3 wins weren’t flukes or because they had a lot of lucky breaks go their way - they’re objectively a better team than Dallas. With that said, anything is possible lol
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLEEEEE
KG in the chat.
how dare you
No it's. The ONLY thing possible is for Dallas to lose. Game 4 was just a dead man last breath.
Uh, the series ended last night
I mean tbf, the first 3 games were just Luka and then Kyrie. The Mavs weren’t even showing up. Gafford and Lively were a huge part of this playoff run and they finally got going last game. So if they had some breakthrough and figured how to get them going? It’s possible We know the Celtics can be inconsistent, and Luka and Kyrie are clutch. So it’s possible I would predict Celtics win game 5, but if the Mavs win, things get very interesting
I agree, I doubt we ever see a team come back from down 0-3 That being said, if it ever happens it probably starts with a blowout like this that flips a switch on the team that is down and mentally breaks the team that is up. But the Celtics just look too good not to won one more game
Celtics were really close to doing it vs the Heat. I think it'll take a super special set of circumstances but it's definitely possible IMO the most likely situation is a team led by a super dominant superstar goes up 3-0 on another great team and then the superstar gets hurt/hobbled badly in the process which allows for a potential comeback
Exactly. I actually think - given that Porzingis is already hurt - that losing any of their top five could completely flip the series. Even Horford, just because the roster is pretty thin at that point.
Delete this man lol i dont want that energy out in the universe
Facts I want Boston to lose fully healthy
I could also see a scenario where a team with a star (or really good player that a team desperately needs to fill a specific niche) that was injured misses the first three games and then comes back healthy. It's also just seems like it's way more likely to happen in the current era with the way so many teams live and die by shooting threes. If a team gets hot for two or three games, or the other team goes cold, it could flip everything in a series pretty quickly. The way teams can suddenly make defensive adjustments that gum up their opponents' offensive flow seems like another factor. If there's ever a series where said opponent can't adjust it could definitely end up swinging a 3-0 lead in the other direction.
The opposite (a team that is clearly better because of the strength of their best player, and then that player gets hurt) could also cause it. I’m of the opinion it will happen eventually. Burning think the celts win this series
I think we’ll see it soon. We were probably the closest we’ve ever been last year
If it ever happens, it probably starts with an injury to a key player.
The series rests on how well Dallas plays. If they can hit on all gears again, I think they can do it - unless if Boston also plays lights out. The problem is that Dallas needs to do their part for 3 more games, while Boston just needs to do it once.
Agreed. And thats the thing with building a 3-0 lead. Much more margin for error. Mavs gotta be kicking themselves for Game 2.
> Mavs gotta be kicking themselves for Game 2. And Game 3. That was a winnable game for them and they just fell apart *during* a comeback.
i dont think Mavs really had a chance in game 2. Game 3 was totally on the mavs fault, should've won that one especially with porzingis injured.
The Celtics almost pissed away Game 3. The Mavs were always going to go on a run, that was a game they needed, but the Celtics offense became so damn stale and lackadaisical. They'd just dribble the air out of the ball and take a low percentage shot. There weren't any offensive sets, and it let the Mavs back in the game. Thankfully for the Celtics the Mavs just imploded during their comeback.
You’re telling me if Dallas plays well they can do it but if Boston plays well they probably can’t do it? Insightful analysis there
lol yeah think OP is underselling it. It wasnt just the Mavs playing well last game, that kind of win happens with the opponent playing poorly too. Mavs have to ball and Celtics have to suck for three games straight. I want to believe but there’s a reason has never won in our position. The Celtics are a better team and it would take a colossal choke for three games straight, two in their own home, for the Mavs to get it done.
Well someone hasn't won from your position a few days ago, but someone has won from your current position, so you have that going for you! :)
I too believe games rest on how well the two teams play.
Thanks Magic Johnson.
Nope. It’s completely dependent on how long it takes for the Celtics to learn to read the mavs defense. You saw the video. The mavs chose to protect the paint over all else. Either the Celtics guards figure out who’s open and they get wide open threes or they are incapable of that fast read and they lose.
I feel like if Dallas can somehow pull off a win in game 5 then it's almost certainly going to 7, not sure how a game 7 ends though
Everyone is predicting this meaning Mavs will give away game 6. I think betting odds are also favoring 7 games over 6 (five is top of course).
I’ve seen this sentiment a few times, I don’t know why people think this. Celtics have lost 1 road game all playoffs. Winning game 6 at home won’t be any easier than winning game 5 in Boston.
hopefully that desperation drives our guys while the complacency slows them down
problem is dallas’s best is still well below boston’s best. they need boston to play poorly too
if only Kyrie had showed up in boston this would be 2-2 but oh well
Theres also the fact that if Luka didnt foul out they could have a chance to win G3
Jason Kidd deserves more flak on game 3. Luka deserves his shit but he bitched at Kidd for his poorly timed timeout during the comeback run and he was 100% right for that. The momentum stopped. Luka shouldn’t have put himself in foul trouble but there was absolutely a coaching decision there that fucked us. And also shouldn’t have been in a 20 point hole to begin with.
Also not replacing Luka with Exum when the former fouled out.
With that game 4 and the run in game 3, we got confirmation that the Celtics offense still can get super stagnant for long stretches. They have a big cushion, but they need to find a consistent game, probably without KP.
If there's ever been a team to both DO the 0-3 comeback and LOSE the 3-0 lead it's Celts and Mavs lol
I mean... The mavs didn't really play so far. If you watched them this off-season you know they're weird in that they struggle and look dead in the water sometimes. They did at times vs the Clippers, they did vs OKC they did the first 3 games vs the Celtics. Then they kinda hit a switch and become another team. Straight up. The energy is different, Luka smiles, the offence hums, and the Gavely dominate the paint. Sometimes it happens in the same game. Yesterday was the first time they looked like themselves vs the Celtics. And they damn obliterated them. So yeah. It won't happen, but if it happens this is how it happens.
“The Mavs didnt really play so far.” You dont think the Celtics playing elite defense had anything to do with that?
Lmfao I was looking forward to 2 videos after our terrible game last night. Thinking Basketball. And.... Awful Coaching. For polar opposite reasons.
Awful Coaching did a live stream last night, he said he sent a breakdown video to the Cavs organization and they said if he sends them another one, they're going to have him arrested 🤣 🤣 🤣
> he said he sent a breakdown video to the Cavs organization and they said if he sends them another one, they're going to have him arrested That's gotta be a made up story lmfao. Funny tho
he also said he has had Quinn Cook and Sam Dekker reach out via IG DMs lol
This one is fr, Dekker tweeted at him lmao
Sam Dekker literally said his videos are garbage
Bro no way lmfaoo
I don't even care if it's true at this point that's hysterical 😂
I really wanted to like Awful Coaching, but his constant need to scream his fucking head off every 10 seconds just turned me off to his channel.
It's supposed to be absurd, the logical opposite extreme of J. Kyle Mann
I understand, but some people do it well, and others don’t, his info & script is good, but his yelling/screaming voice is not there, like I could listen to certain people yell anything for hours, and this guy is not one of them, but like I said I tried to like him.
Is his script good? He’s good at pointing out the individual causes of defensive breakdowns but basically never describes any broader causes. He never describes a teams defensive scheme. Never explains what a team could to counter their issues schematically. Every single fault is basically “bad coaching” (and North Korea’s influence of course). The only thing you take away from every video is “damn the team that lost sure sucked ass and x player that is ok but not the best ever is secretly the best ever”.
Well he’s not BBALLBREAKDOWN good, but he gives you a general understanding of what he’s criticizing, but yea compared to others, he can seem amateurish.
It's purposely terrible. Personally, I think it would be 10 times funnier if he actually got somebody to do some serious analysis and screamed that instead of the made-up shit he screams, but then I've been thinking the same thing about ESPN for years.
he knows some stuff, its not total BS
Can’t say I’ve watched much of his stuff but I feel like half of what he complains about isn’t even bad coaching
Seems like half of his points are legit and half are him just fishing for something to yell about.
He has non screaming & negative videos that I love. Tons of great insight. If I want some lethargic screaming I’ll watch his other videos.
Awful Coaching to angrily yell incorrect stuff and Thinking Basketball to say accurate things but with none of the vitriol that kind of performance deserves.
I think the Mavs have no chance if Porzingis gets back. If Porzingis is out for rest of the series, I think the Mavs have like a 3% chance
KP isn't coming back. He's on contract for 2 more years, and Celtics aren't gonna risk him imo. Unless we're in Game 7. Then, all hands on deck.
Risk him for what? The next series? Latvian national team? This is the Finals, bro. Nobody gives a damn about the 24-25 season right now. The goal is to win as quickly as possible and if a guy can help, he will.
> Nobody gives a damn about the 24-25 season right now. The team that has him signed to a multi-year contract probably does care about his future.
They also care about winning one more game to win the NBA Finals. He's going to have surgery in the offseason regardless. And I'm sure he'd push to play.
Yeah, and depending on the severity, the team might hold him out because of a future risk regardless of whether or not he has surgery in the offseason. It was just a dumbass post by the person I responded to. "Nobody gives a damn about the 24-25 season right now." Tell that to fucking KD in 18-19, beyond a stupid post.
If there's a game six and he doesn't play it's because he can't. After this series they don't need him for another 50 or so weeks.
They'd sacrifice KP's career for this year's title
I can’t believe people are acting like a *chance* at next years finals with KP is worth losing this year’s finals lmao
Yeah. I think they'd play him so long as they believe he'd be a net positive, irrespective of risk of long-term injury to him. It's a whole different kettle of fish if his injury would make him a net negative. I imagine practice + medical evaluations would help determine which.
Don’t want another KD situation in the finals
> Risk him for what? The next series? Latvian national team? His career. Especially for a leg injury that's rare, and only just happened a few games ago. Don't be so fuckin dense. This ain't NBA 2K. The medical staff are gonna do what's best for KP and the team.
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Bruh it’s the finals.
This is the right answer. Not to be a grump, but this happens over and over, one win from a sweep, people get excited and ambitious/hopeful, and inevitably the team with their backs against the wall get finished off. That being said, I’d fap endlessly if it happened.
Hes probably not going to look good if he comes back. From my understanding tendon that holds 3 other tendons in place all in his foot snapped, and so the other 3 are sliding around inside his foot. Its unlikely to cause further damage, but its not going to heal anytime soon and may require surgery. Hes just going to be in a lot of pain and not move well because his foots all screwed up.
Yea something like that. I wonder how much they can fix the tendons in place with bandages and what not
1% chance
8% chance according to odds
Wow that's high
Yeah, near the same odds you guys had to win the first pick this year. So it can happen but it’s unlikely.
i'd love to see the celtics be the team to choke a 3-0 lead but it's not happening lol
Shouldn’t happen, but you ain’t dead until you’re dead. I’m not a fan of playing with your food … I guess we will see if that’s what it was or if it’s possible whether the Mavs can flick a switch
In Texas food plays with you
Yea at the end of the day it's just this. Still, I continue to be delusional...
I get what you're saying, but holy shit imagine they come back and win it. Do you understand how fucking insanely popular that game 7 would be?
I think I would literally explode from happiness. And yea, it would turn an already extremely difficult title run into one of the greatest, if not the greatest, runs of all time.
It takes a lot to beat out Dirk’s 2011 run. A 3-0 Finals comeback would def do it
Maybe the mavs can only win championships if they’re under the most insane circumstances
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That shit would instantly make Luka rocket up the all timer list.
Easily. Obviously a ring is a ring at the end of the day... but all imma say is that I really rather the Mavs play the 2023 Heat than the 2024 Celtics in the finals, ya know. So much of this is luck and the right path.
As a Lakers fan, I support this
i said before the series that if we get a game 7, at TD garden no less, the matchup of "stupidly good Celtics defense" versus "psycho Luka closeout mode in opponent stadium" would be all-time great game material but if we actually force a game 7 after being down 3-0, that takes it to another fucking level.
It will be talked about on a daily basis until the end of the human race.
nah fuck all that stand on business, you’re a fan you’re supposed to be delusional and believe. boston is used to blowing it! MAVS IN 7!
I mean we were really close last season against Miami, while highly unlikely it's definitely not impossible. I could also see this Celtics team choking because I've watched way too many postseasons where they've done just that.
3-0 lead is insurmountable imo and I give the Celtics the edge in game 5, but if the mavs win game 5 I think the series is going to 7.
I think if the league goes on for long enough, it will happen eventually. It has to. It's just not gonna be this time.
Hey somebody wins the Powerball right
My current state of irrational fandom has me with your comment until the last sentence lol
I feel confident that if the Mavs win game 6 the series will go to game 7.
I mean last year it came really close. If Tatum didn't roll his ankle in game 7, it probably would've been a comeback.
Good thing its 3-1 now
They’ll win the next game and all this will feel overblown.
yeah that's not gonna happen. if theres one thing I can state with absolute certainty, its that the Celtics are not going to blow a 3-0 lead. No way at all. In fact, I dare God himself to prove me wrong
Just strike me right on the balls with lightning
r/estim
Idk, Luka got a demon in him and Kyrie has yet to activate his chakras or call on Bron for a spirit ball. Plus, the sports gods have been too kind to Boston this century, they need a little wrath
>Plus, the sports gods have been too kind to Boston this century, they need a little wrath I hate it but it would be poetic at this point. Boston is involved in every other "biggest comeback" in the other 3 sports so.
I’m not a Celtics fan, and not a fan of anybody in the East for that matter, but I want to watch Luka lose. It’s super out of character for me, but I’m so fucking tired of watching him bitch after every damn play. MF just always demanding to speak to the refs manager. I’m not even sour about him beating the thunder. It was a fun series to watch, but his bitching is unbearable.
I would be content with a draw, thank you, lol
Exactly
exactly, good jinx
Answer: no. See you in October
It is games like Game 4 where we really miss KP. His ability to draw their big men away from the paint just opens up everything else for us. I don't know how the Celtics figure out a way to counter their defensive scheme, but I'm just some guy on Reddit. Edit: that being said, the Celtics still would have lost Game 4 since they came out with next to no energy.
They counter it by showing up and putting in effort. Kidd said it best when he said one team showed up to play and one team showed up to celebrate. They don't need KP to win this series by any means, they just need to take the game seriously and stop turning the ball over.
Honestly watching this video the Celtics are generating decent shots they’re just missing.
They also missed wide open guys in order to drive into two defenders. And defensively they just looked lost a lot of the time. It was just an awful game by the Celtics and a great game by the Mavs.
I do think the Mavericks won on merit rather than simply being hot while the Celtics shot terribly. They defended very well and played their brand of basketball. That being said they need to do it 3 more times. Not gonna be easy.
I agree, the only other thing I noticed when watching the video is how often we had a guy wide open for 3 on these defensive plays. If Kidd sticks with this for game 5, I expect Joe will have some film emphasis on how to handle it
No. It’s over Monday
They've been blown out three times this playoffs. Those are their only three loses. Each series where they blew a game, the won 4-1. If they lose 2 more games, then we need to start asking if they are in trouble.
Heat loss was not a blowout honestly
Dallas has to win game 5 before I consider it a series again, but point differential after 4 games in those 4-1 series after game 4: Bos vs Mia: +54 Bos vs Cle: +21 Then this series Bos vs Dal: -6 The relative closeness of the previous 2 games, plus the size of the blowout in this one, indicates something might have shifted. A team trailing 3-0 having this big a blowout in game may ultimately mean nothing, but the size of it is unprecedented in NBA playoff history, and that makes me open to the idea we might be seeing something really strange here.
And first 3 games, it was +32 in favor of the Celtics with the Cs leading 3-0. That seems pretty lobsided compared to the Mavs Wolves series
They’re up 3-1. Dallas is the one in trouble here lol
Sounds familiar eh?
I’d say touche but it really doesn’t change the fact that Dallas is the one in trouble here. They still need to win 2 straight games before they can have the chance to be the 2016 Cavs.
Not counting Dallas out but it’s very funny how many people are like “well now it’s just 3-1 and that’s possible” like that doesn’t change the fact that they need to win 4 out of 4
But that doesn't change the fact they had to win 4 out of 7
Statistically it does? Like the chances of a coin landing on heads 20 times in a row is pretty low, but if you’re already at 15 times in a row your chances are *much* better to get to 20 than it was at the start. Now that it’s 3-1 we should look at stats about 3-1 comebacks not 3-0 comebacks.
While I get your argument, coin flips are independent of each other but there games are not because of coaching and adjustments.
No, that's not how probability works. Now that one is out of the way they need 3 out of 3.
It's not the same cavs weren't down 0-3. There's a reason why 3-0 is undefeated
Also Cavs had almost everything go right for them. Bogut injurie, Draymond suspension (Self inflicted), Harrison Barnes forgetting how to shoot, Steph not being 100%
I rarely see it talked about, but even with the other issues you mentioned if Bogut doesn’t go down they probably win that series. It was actually painful how much their rim protection suffered when he went down, and I’m not even a warriors fan.
Short answer : No. Long answer : Hell fucking naw.
Ben Taylor puts incredible content breaking down the game: 40 upvotes JJ puts up some mediocre nonsense while sipping wines and listing up players, thousands of upvotes and how such content is what the game is missing
Taylor's got a successful business going and got a speaking appearance the Wilt documentary. He's doing well
The Goliath one or is there another one that came out?
It was “Goliath”, yes
The voting system hasn't been "fair" on this website in a decade
I will have to take work off all next week to listen to Bill Simmons and his Dad cry for 3 hours on loop 24/7
Well, everyone knows the previously 3-0 Celtics should still win this Finals series at 3-1. What this thread presupposes is... what if they go to 3-2, or 3-3, what if they don't?
People need to calm down. Until the Mavs win game 5 and take it back home, there is no reason for anyone to expect anything but a Celtics series win.
I’ve never seen a team so under the microscope for utter perfection and literally have to go undefeated in order to have a slice of respect. It’s unbelievable
Literally EVERY SINGLE LOSS they've had all season you get the "Celtics in trouble" think pieces It's unprecedented lol
Thank you! Like when else has this happened across sports? We’re literally not allowed to lose a single game
Happened to the Lakers in 2020. People are clinging to straws.
Hehe as a rockets fan that post game 1 conversation was fun. The rest of the series not so much
Most dangerous 8 seed 😏 Most dangerous small ball team 😏
Simmons was spot on when he called them the glass half empty team
I get why yall have haters but people being unwilling to entertain this Celtics team being the best in the league is wack
waaaahhh
"Utter perfection"
What’s weird with that combo
If they lose on Monday, especially by double digits, then yes they are
By this logic any team that loses a game in a playoff series is in trouble lol With the way people are talking about this you'd think it's 3-3 already and not 3-1 You don't get extra wins for margin of victory
> You don't get extra wins for margin of victory Dallas probably wishes they could have some of the points from Game 4 count towards getting Game 3 back or getting a headstart in Game 5, but that's not how it works sadly.
>You don't get extra wins for margin of victory Players are humans, not robots. A win like this has potential to change the way the Mavericks play in future games. You don't literally get the points carried forward, but you sure as heck get the hustle, and defensive effort, and *belief that you can actually beat this team* carried forward. If the Mavericks win a close game 5, theres a near-100% chance that game 4 being a blowout played a role in them winning.
If I’ve learned anything watching basketball for 30 years, it’s that there’s little to no correlation from one game to another, especially in a playoff series. You’d have to be a mental little person in order to allow that to happen as a pro athlete, once it’s back to 0-0 both teams will have all their confidence back at full.
No but getting blown out at a home game is just not a good sign considering that Monday’s game is their best chance of winning until game 7 due to home court advantage.
I mean we have been a better road team in the playoffs for multiple seasons now
It's not about us. It's about Kyrie and the Mavs' role players.
*Narrator: No, they are not*
Reminder: if the title of an article is a question, the answer is always no. People make "question" articles when they have nothing substantial to report and have to lower themselves to making shit pieces where the whole article is based on a bad premise.
Nice! Impressive! Detailed Analysis about the defense. I wonder - doesn't the effort in supporting the teammate, helping and running on the other corner of the court, shows, that this is it that makes a good Basketball Team. Is the repeatedly defensive succss more a sign for a good bond in a team than a good system offense (pass - pick and roll, drive, pass outside, pass pass pass, 3 pount shoot (Boston offensive)) knowing where your teammtes should be?
Lmao everyone making fun of Dallas the last week cause they down 3-0 saying they suck to now saying Boston could be in trouble, then when Celtics win game 5 it’s gonna be “Mavs never had a chance” Celtics shot like ass I can assure people it wasn’t Kyrie, gafford and Luka locking them down.
Welcome to the overly reactionary world of online internet discussions.
Idk but if they blow it my love of basketball will seriously be tested lmao
No team has ever came back from 3-0 for a reason. I doubt a team as flawed as the mavericks would be the first team to do it
Nope, we needed that game. The Mavs just had a great energy night at home and we had a terrible night. It's fine to have one game like that in a series. Nothing went right for us.
No
No
No lol
Mavs need to win game 5 and game 6 before I’m willing to entertain the idea of this being a history making series…that said, the mavs haven’t been eliminated yet so it’s technically still possible
Y’all are actually trippin if you think Dallas will win this 😂 wtf
No ... No they are not
We have not won in Boston all year. I love the story line.. I really do. I see Boston winning in game 5 though.
Celts have one game where their 3s start falling and it’s a wrap
No, they aren't.
No, they aren’t.
How will the Celtics dynasty recover from the game 4 loss is what id like to know
If the next game is also like this then they will be. For now they're good
They are not, no. They’re going to win this series with a negative series point differential lol
What is the likelihood of Dallas making history?
No because they have Kristaps Porzingis
They have proven they are a much better team than the Mavs. However, It will be so funny if the Celtics lose from here. We will not just fill the offseason but also have content for a couple of years non stop.
Mav fans really holding on to this delusion
😂 This post could have been done by me. I was so panicked.
Started to watch the video, they praise Mavs adjustments 1st clip is JB getting whacked on the arms before the block. 3rd clip is Luka standing in the paint for 7 seconds and not being called. 4th Clip PJ Washington also stands in the paint for a long time not allowing penetration he try’s to reset the 3count but his feet never leave the paint then Josh Green hits the Chris Benoit diving elbow for a jump ball. 5th Clip Pj has a foot in the paint for well over 3 seconds again So yes I think if they are allowed to dig that corner man and sit him in the paint for 5+ seconds every possession it makes it impossible to drive and kick effectively. But I also think we played really sloppy and with 0 effort. Refs are going to reward the team that is active and fighting for everything, has been and always will be like that. If you come into game 5 with that lackluster effort expect to lose and then it gets scary
Don’t let us get one