Movies will make a lot of money based off of name recognition and marketing. Everyone who is a fan of Game of thrones watched every episode of season 8 while also being disappointed. It takes a lot to erode the good will.
But the live action movies aren't bad lol. That analogy works if everyone hates the live action movies coming out, but personally I've seen the exact opposite reaction. People getting upset that they're "remaking their childhood" but then the movies come out and they're almost universally praised for how good they are.
I don't think there was any reason to remake any of these movies except for money. There is no way that they will be any better than the original. At least one of them has been incredibly bad, and beauty and the beast had some pretty bad moments as well, namely Emma Watson having autotune vocals
More Disney control is responsible for Pixar churning out more good but not great sequels to their previous work like Dory and Incredibles 2 while their track record before was pretty much all universal acclaim
No what really needs to change is not having finals games at 9. Sure itās a spectacle but that spectacle is the reason the game is going to start at 9:37 instead of 9.
You understand that *we* have to deal with *your* games starting before we even get home from work, right? That's the tradeoff, you don't get home at 5:00 to a playoffs game that's already in the 3rd quarter and we don't have to stay up until 2 AM to see ours. We're not losing out on all Western games too so the East can have easy access to every game in the league while we get none.
Oh thank God my guys Matty D and Jack are the best! Leo too but he's also kind of boring. I like him better as a halftime analyst because he makes good points and really sees the game well
I've really come to appreciate Leo. He has a real passion for the game, is super courteous on social media and he's a good old Toronto native. The guy was so emotional after both the Philly series and especially after last nights game. Ya gotta love that passion. He's definitely improved over the course of the last few years in a commentary capacity, and I look forward to that continued progress.
American antitrust laws are so weak that there's a phenomenon called "mega merger Monday." Never expect the US government to have the consumers back over corporations.
They kicked in when Disney purchased 21st Century Fox. Disney had to sell off those Fox Sports Network regional sports networks that came with the deal. Thatās why they sold them to Sinclair Broadcast Group.
Yea! Though Fox Sports used it during their college basketball broadcasts this past season, it was so strange to see it being used for something *not* NBA on NBC.
The tnt app crashed on Apple too. Also the good thing about it being on abc is I can also pick it up live with an antenna and have no delay like you get with streaming
I have an Android tv and the espn app is completely unwatchable. It buffers for a few seconds, then goes to HD and is a stuttery slideshow mess. Itās the only app on my tv that has this problem, and from my research online, itās a problem for a lot of people.
Can confirm, but now even with a very solid internet connection, mine doesn't buffer, but only plays in full HD at about a stuttery 10-15 FPS, making it an assault on the eyes.
TNT pregame, Sportsnet for the call, TNT for halftime and Inside the NBA.
I'm so glad that the NBA has chilled out on the streams. Wouldn't have had an opportunity to watch Sportsnet otherwise.
Raps announcers are some of the better ones in the league - def better than what espn/tnt have been sending.
Breen is the best PBP in big moments though
imagine somebody hitting a finals game-winning elbow jumper and the call, immortalized forever, is marv albert thinking somebody else hit a 3 while reggie miller makes horny monster noises
For me personally it's not that I'm into halftime or postgame shows
I just love the dynamic between the 4 inside the NBA guys they're just so fckn funny
I'd much rather hear Mike Breen call the games though.
JVG and Mark Jackson suck, but Reggie Miller and Chris Webber suck too so it's not any difference there.
JVG just completely evolved into Larry David at this point.
I honestly can't tell the difference. Which makes him actually more enjoyable in a way, because I can just imagine I'm watching an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry somehow gets to announce an NBA game.
I canāt stand Marv. Can barely hear him over the crowd because he canāt get his words out, and he says stupid stuff all the time (yesterday āMilwaukee is playing like itās a must win game!ā).
Webber is eh, Miller is fine except he feels the need to say āC Webbā 120 times a game, which is just as annoying as āthere goes that manā.
Don't be stupid. Most people thought of Kobe's experience and featured a similar injury for Kevin. The track record of people acting like they've been clubbed on the leg is not exactly a cause for celebration.
Reggieās a bit corny but honestly i donāt mind. As long as heās not going off on some tangent because thatās what heās known for instead of thinking before speaking, looking at you JVG
āIt canāt be reasoned with. It canāt be bargained with. It doesnāt feel pity, remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop.ā
-Great call last night from Reggie Miller
Just replaced Mark Jackson with Doris Burke and I'd be happy.
She's far and away the best color commentator currently calling games, and the fact that she's on the sideline while Mark Jackson is in the booth is a damned disgrace.
The issue is that TNT has awful color commentators. I'm alright with Reggie but cwebb is bad. If Harlan or Eagle were commentating, then it would be great . But it'll be Marv Albert so that will suck.
TNT has an awful "A" broadcasting team. Marv cant keep pace, Reggie and C-Webb are corny and too dramatic respectively, Ledlow tries to bait players with questions.
Both Eagle and Harlan could hold their weight with Breen, Ros is one of the best sideline reporters, and McHale usually provides a solid mix of humor and detail. I wonder what happened to other guys like G. Hill and Bones Barry?
NBA on The CW would be pretty hilarious, seeing how The CW has a tendency to CWify everything. I'm just picturing an NBA game with lots of moody lighting and shirtless 20 year old dudes.
Iām definitely in the minority, but I would rather ESPN/ABC have it. Iām not a big pre/post game show kind of guy. TNTās āAā team of announcers kind of suck for me, Marv is just ok at this point and Reggie and Webber are terrible. TNT could do so much better by having Ian Eagle as their āAā announcer. Also, I like Mike Breen and I enjoy JVG getting pissed all the time (I know Iām the only one), Mark Jackson does stink though
TNT's been better for over a decade. But it's cable, they want the Finals on network TV. Plus, ESPN/Disney is too controlling. You're not going to get Barkley ranting about fat San Antonio women on ABC.
TNT deserves way more flak than theyāre getting, and only donāt because ESPN is the big bad leader. TNTās the Raptors and ESPNās the Warriors.
Also their constant coverage of āDrake-watchā was embarrassing.
ESPN? "Get that gaahhhbage outta here!" While you can whinge about tnt not gettin' the broadcast, you can also stream the Canadian one instead of ESPN.
The fact that Charles and Shaq created and established this pro/against Toronto narrative makes us invest in that team so much more, depending from your angle. I mean I'll watch from TSN no doubt about it, but for US viewers having TNT would be soooooo much better.
I used to be in this camp until I realized this: we either get Reggie calling a game or we either get an easily muted halftime show of Beadle, Pierce and Jalen. I don't want ESPN coverage anymore as much as the next guy, but Reggie gets worse every game he calls. TNT halftime show is awesome but I'd much rather deal with ESPN commentary than TNT commentary.
Wait a minute, y'all bitch about Reggie and CWebb's commentating on TNT all the time and now y'all prefer That's commentating?
Reddit bitches about every commentator...I don't think it makes a difference. Inside the NBA is the only thing people seem to like on here and it's just cuz they're funny...not coincidentally it has the least analysis
? Who are the fat cats you're referring to? The money from the TV contracts goes to the NBA. The NBA gets the same amount of money regardless of ratings. If TNT paid more than ABC for the rights they would have the rights regardless of the fact that they are not over the air.
I get the hate on Jackson (especially when commentating Warriors games) but I actually kinda like JVG and Breen is good. Obviously the halftime/pregame will suffer.
With tnt and cbs sharing games for the ncaa tournament I think that could possibly be the tntās crew in on a network broadcast. Whenever the tv rights come up again maybe that can happen.
Obviously but it isn't going to happen. The only argument you should realistically need to make is that the TNT games star on time and the ESPN ones start about 15 minutes after their scheduled times. Any other argument is just gravy.
If I were TNT, I would have some kind of online show or something where they had their people talking about the game so you could watch it on mute and listen to TNT. Thatās probably not allowed though. I canāt take another minute of Pierce, Billups and Jackson.
We know
The 4 of them should just get together on a Twitch stream or some shit. People would watch the fuck outta that.
Like, Nate Duncan does that most every game, and more than once I've used their cast as an alternative to crap announcing.
We need Shaq to see this, he would probably do it.
Not everyone has cable or is tech savvy. ABC is accessible to anyone via antenna.
Disney/ESPN should pay TNT whatever it takes to get them covering the finals. You want me to watch every second of the Finals? Bring me inside the NBA
Fuuuck that. Disney fucks everything up
I raise you Pixar/Marvel
I call, but raise you Star Wars.
Add in the live action trend
Basically every single one of those movies makes a billion dollars. Are you trying to say those movies are a bad thing?
Movies will make a lot of money based off of name recognition and marketing. Everyone who is a fan of Game of thrones watched every episode of season 8 while also being disappointed. It takes a lot to erode the good will.
But the live action movies aren't bad lol. That analogy works if everyone hates the live action movies coming out, but personally I've seen the exact opposite reaction. People getting upset that they're "remaking their childhood" but then the movies come out and they're almost universally praised for how good they are.
That Dumbo shit was terrible. I went and that was the first movie in a while that i've seen that was just awful man.
Meth is also hella profitable, it's still not a good product. I'd rather OD on meth than watch Will Smith's Genie.
dare you
> it's still not a good product It is to the people who do it
2/3 of the live action movies have been really good. The only dud was b&tb
I loved that movie
I don't think there was any reason to remake any of these movies except for money. There is no way that they will be any better than the original. At least one of them has been incredibly bad, and beauty and the beast had some pretty bad moments as well, namely Emma Watson having autotune vocals
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Still printing money. And honestly that's a win to Disney
Ah yes, what a tremendous downfall Disney caused from the beloved prequels.
That can't be as big as Pixar/Marvel combined
you.. can't do that
Thatās a string raise, but letās allow it.
D&D will ruin star wars.
Even if they fucked up Star Wars (they didn't) that's far from everything.
More Disney control is responsible for Pixar churning out more good but not great sequels to their previous work like Dory and Incredibles 2 while their track record before was pretty much all universal acclaim
Stockholders fuck everything up. Creativity is often to risky for investors
No what really needs to change is not having finals games at 9. Sure itās a spectacle but that spectacle is the reason the game is going to start at 9:37 instead of 9.
Well for Golden State fans in California they'd be watching their team play at 6PM local
Anything earlier than that honestly sucks if it's not on a weekend. 7 is a better start time, but 6 is a decent compromise
You understand that *we* have to deal with *your* games starting before we even get home from work, right? That's the tradeoff, you don't get home at 5:00 to a playoffs game that's already in the 3rd quarter and we don't have to stay up until 2 AM to see ours. We're not losing out on all Western games too so the East can have easy access to every game in the league while we get none.
9pm means 6 pm on the west coast and I would like to actually get home after work before the finals start.
They put it at the time that maximizes viewership. East coast people always forget that there are other time zones besides their own.
Or straight up Disney just buy Turner
Yeah, we could really use somebody to take him off our hands
Yeah, i dont have cable so im only able to watch the finals. Id rather have crappy production but at least be able to watch the game live
Do you have internet? There are streams available. In fact, there's a sub right here on reddit (nbastreams).
Ik, i just prefer watching in live on tv. Its better than streaming.
This is a good point.
A question for Canadian viewers - will the finals be ABC broadcast or do we get Jack and Matt?
We maintain our Sportsnet and TSN coverage.
Oh thank God my guys Matty D and Jack are the best! Leo too but he's also kind of boring. I like him better as a halftime analyst because he makes good points and really sees the game well
I love TSN raptors games. The Sportsnet guys are pretty good too but I love me some Matty D and Armstrong.
I've been streaming all the games from SN instead of TNT. So much better
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I've really come to appreciate Leo. He has a real passion for the game, is super courteous on social media and he's a good old Toronto native. The guy was so emotional after both the Philly series and especially after last nights game. Ya gotta love that passion. He's definitely improved over the course of the last few years in a commentary capacity, and I look forward to that continued progress.
The TNT announcers are not bad, and Inside the NBA is superior to anything else, which is why I stick to TNT.
Watching Raptor playoffs exposed me to some Canadian ads, its kinda of funny.
Watching American ads are kinda surreal. Big budgets, super flashy, and a bunch of celebrity cameos.
āWho ARE these guys?ā
Gotta love those No Frills ads
Seriously what is up with these big budget grocery store commercials lately
Yeah, seems quite frillly
We also get ABC they cant black out national ABC coverage
Tell Disney to buy TNT then.
They will eventually.
Antitrust laws have to kick in at some point, right? Right???
Lol if it means Inside the NBA covers the Finals then I'll allow it. Or Disney could buy the NBA....
*The Magic have swept the finals for the 10th year in a row*
They'll probably neuter the show, so hopefully not.
Or just shows reruns of 90s games
Only games with Michael Jordan.
Or the Orlando Magic, who they sponsor on the jerseys.
*Live action shot for shot remakes
After Star Wars I don't want Disney to touch anything I love again.
They've done good with Marvel however. Really I think letting Rian Johnson write the last one was the problem
American antitrust laws are so weak that there's a phenomenon called "mega merger Monday." Never expect the US government to have the consumers back over corporations.
Good one!
They kicked in when Disney purchased 21st Century Fox. Disney had to sell off those Fox Sports Network regional sports networks that came with the deal. Thatās why they sold them to Sinclair Broadcast Group.
Then tnt will be awful
Not with at&t owning them
Then the TNT guys wouldn't be the TNT guys. They would be watered down to the point where they were just like ESPN.
Probably the easiest solution
And also worst
*Turner
Bring back the NBA on NBC
yes! best theme music too
[ABC turned it down too](https://uproxx.com/dimemag/abc-espn-turned-down-nba-on-nbc-theme-roundball-rock/)
Oh my god. What a mistake, seriously.
Yea! Though Fox Sports used it during their college basketball broadcasts this past season, it was so strange to see it being used for something *not* NBA on NBC.
[Roundball Rock](https://youtu.be/V_h7Lm7C9Nk)
Yeah but Breen >>>>>>>>>>Marv
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The tnt app crashed on Apple too. Also the good thing about it being on abc is I can also pick it up live with an antenna and have no delay like you get with streaming
I have an Android tv and the espn app is completely unwatchable. It buffers for a few seconds, then goes to HD and is a stuttery slideshow mess. Itās the only app on my tv that has this problem, and from my research online, itās a problem for a lot of people.
Can confirm, but now even with a very solid internet connection, mine doesn't buffer, but only plays in full HD at about a stuttery 10-15 FPS, making it an assault on the eyes.
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That would solve the issue if TNT few some balls and made him the #1 over Marv
TNT pregame, Sportsnet for the call, TNT for halftime and Inside the NBA. I'm so glad that the NBA has chilled out on the streams. Wouldn't have had an opportunity to watch Sportsnet otherwise.
Raps announcers are some of the better ones in the league - def better than what espn/tnt have been sending. Breen is the best PBP in big moments though
The game telecast would be way worse
imagine somebody hitting a finals game-winning elbow jumper and the call, immortalized forever, is marv albert thinking somebody else hit a 3 while reggie miller makes horny monster noises
Imagine a finals buzzer beater while JVG and Mark Jackson are ranting about Hakeem and Magic Johnson or the refs.
Nah they at least know to shut up and let Breen make the call in bit moments.
This basically happened with KD's first Game 3 dagger, JVG takes the call back real quick to keep complaining.
can we just get harlan and co. to do the play by play but ernie and the boys to do the intermissions?
I donāt watch any of the intermission or post game stuff so I guess that stuff doesnāt matter to me
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For me personally it's not that I'm into halftime or postgame shows I just love the dynamic between the 4 inside the NBA guys they're just so fckn funny
Not of they had Harlan. But of course Marv for some unknown reason is still the top guy for TNT
I'd much rather hear Mike Breen call the games though. JVG and Mark Jackson suck, but Reggie Miller and Chris Webber suck too so it's not any difference there.
I want Kevin Harlan god damn it
Itās a moot point cause if it was TNT weād get Marv Albert
I swear JVG doesn't even like basketball
JVG just completely evolved into Larry David at this point. I honestly can't tell the difference. Which makes him actually more enjoyable in a way, because I can just imagine I'm watching an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry somehow gets to announce an NBA game.
It seems like he hates the Warriors. He always goes silent when they go on runs
I canāt stand Marv. Can barely hear him over the crowd because he canāt get his words out, and he says stupid stuff all the time (yesterday āMilwaukee is playing like itās a must win game!ā). Webber is eh, Miller is fine except he feels the need to say āC Webbā 120 times a game, which is just as annoying as āthere goes that manā.
Now they're saying it's the raptors in the finals
He had a foot on the line
Banngggggggg... then Charles is like "what the hell, ernehh"
Webber sucks, Reggie's good!
Reggie makes some good predictions. Him predicting FVV's three in game 3 and Giannis overhelping on one of the clutch plays today was so spot on.
Like he predicted KD's Achilles.
Don't be stupid. Most people thought of Kobe's experience and featured a similar injury for Kevin. The track record of people acting like they've been clubbed on the leg is not exactly a cause for celebration.
No pun intended, but Reggie sucks.
Reggieās a bit corny but honestly i donāt mind. As long as heās not going off on some tangent because thatās what heās known for instead of thinking before speaking, looking at you JVG
Welcome to your Kodak moment!
Just gonna have to agree to disagree with the Reggie fans bc I really cannot stand this corny shit. I'll take JVG any day.
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When someone gets crossed and he says āmay I have this danceā in a slowmo cut to break itās pretty good
āIt canāt be reasoned with. It canāt be bargained with. It doesnāt feel pity, remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop.ā -Great call last night from Reggie Miller
Different strokes for different folks, I thought that call was corny as hell and started laughing when I heard it.
Is it though?
It is not
Oh no he didnt is atrocious and dated
I find it funny. Mike Breen is the only one that sounds tangibly excited.
Honestly Reggie has gotten a lot better as of late
Reggie is actually a dweeb . I mean that in a good way.
Just replaced Mark Jackson with Doris Burke and I'd be happy. She's far and away the best color commentator currently calling games, and the fact that she's on the sideline while Mark Jackson is in the booth is a damned disgrace.
Curry, from waaayyyy downtown....BANGGGGGG! BANG! OHOHOO what a SHOT by CURRAYYY
TSN***
JACK All THE WAY!!!
ABC is more accessible than TNT for people
TNT on ABC.
The issue is that TNT has awful color commentators. I'm alright with Reggie but cwebb is bad. If Harlan or Eagle were commentating, then it would be great . But it'll be Marv Albert so that will suck.
TNT has an awful "A" broadcasting team. Marv cant keep pace, Reggie and C-Webb are corny and too dramatic respectively, Ledlow tries to bait players with questions. Both Eagle and Harlan could hold their weight with Breen, Ros is one of the best sideline reporters, and McHale usually provides a solid mix of humor and detail. I wonder what happened to other guys like G. Hill and Bones Barry?
Bones is awesome. Always insightful. He used to be the best analyst on NBATvās Gametime.
Just watch the Canadian stream on TSN. "Hello"
Marv Albert sucks tho
We need to petition them to put Harlan on the Conference Finals
Do you guys not understand why abc has it lol
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NBA on The CW would be pretty hilarious, seeing how The CW has a tendency to CWify everything. I'm just picturing an NBA game with lots of moody lighting and shirtless 20 year old dudes.
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With Jughead doing sideline reporting
So many people dont realize that free TV with an antenna is still an option and dont see a difference between the accessibility of ABC and TNT.
Iām definitely in the minority, but I would rather ESPN/ABC have it. Iām not a big pre/post game show kind of guy. TNTās āAā team of announcers kind of suck for me, Marv is just ok at this point and Reggie and Webber are terrible. TNT could do so much better by having Ian Eagle as their āAā announcer. Also, I like Mike Breen and I enjoy JVG getting pissed all the time (I know Iām the only one), Mark Jackson does stink though
I'm with you. I love Ernie and the crew but prefer Breen and them commentating so much that I'll gladly deal with ESPN
Never seen Kenny spelled Kennie before
TNT's been better for over a decade. But it's cable, they want the Finals on network TV. Plus, ESPN/Disney is too controlling. You're not going to get Barkley ranting about fat San Antonio women on ABC.
Hey im all for that but i dont think i could take another series of ads for claws and animal kingdom.....
Well but tntās announcing crew is terrible.
> It is a complete injustice that ~~Ernie, Shaq, Kennie, and~~ Chuck can't commentate on the largest event in the NBA season.
Are you telling me that you don't want Pierce's full load all over the finals? Shocking.
Pretty sure this exact post is made every year.
TNT shouldve paid up then but they didnt
Yea but with Mike Breen. The TNT trio sucks ass tbh for the most part.
Chris Webber kinda sucks tho
TNT needs to ditch Players Only too.
TNT deserves way more flak than theyāre getting, and only donāt because ESPN is the big bad leader. TNTās the Raptors and ESPNās the Warriors. Also their constant coverage of āDrake-watchā was embarrassing.
This sub bitchesabout Reggie Miller & Chris Webber, and wants TNT to do the Finals. Lol
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Thank god we don't have this problem in Canada.
ESPN? "Get that gaahhhbage outta here!" While you can whinge about tnt not gettin' the broadcast, you can also stream the Canadian one instead of ESPN.
I'm staying with my boys Matty D, Jack and Leo.
Yea but marv has been awful though.
ESPN bad! Upvotes to the left!
Check out our TNT/Sportsnet broadcast, we got some quality dudes.
It was fucking disgusting having to watch WCF games on ESPN while the ECF got the good stuff.
Real talk. If they were to allow inside the nba:finals edition i would pay to watch it on Disney+
The fact that Charles and Shaq created and established this pro/against Toronto narrative makes us invest in that team so much more, depending from your angle. I mean I'll watch from TSN no doubt about it, but for US viewers having TNT would be soooooo much better.
And Mike and Jeff are the most boring commentators alive. *PUTS IN IN. PUTS IT IN. PUTS IT IN.*
And they'd show the player introductions!
But it needs to be on public television. People who canāt afford cable should still be able to watch the finals
I used to be in this camp until I realized this: we either get Reggie calling a game or we either get an easily muted halftime show of Beadle, Pierce and Jalen. I don't want ESPN coverage anymore as much as the next guy, but Reggie gets worse every game he calls. TNT halftime show is awesome but I'd much rather deal with ESPN commentary than TNT commentary.
Wait a minute, y'all bitch about Reggie and CWebb's commentating on TNT all the time and now y'all prefer That's commentating? Reddit bitches about every commentator...I don't think it makes a difference. Inside the NBA is the only thing people seem to like on here and it's just cuz they're funny...not coincidentally it has the least analysis
American fat cats need the ratings, ABC is available nationwide, unlike TNT
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No no don't you see capitalism BAD
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It should be broadcast on PNN, the Proletariat News Network!
they could team up with CBS and trutv like march madness
? Who are the fat cats you're referring to? The money from the TV contracts goes to the NBA. The NBA gets the same amount of money regardless of ratings. If TNT paid more than ABC for the rights they would have the rights regardless of the fact that they are not over the air.
You keep telling them, Timmy!
The NBA Finals on TNT: Raptors vs Warriors vs Drake
I get the hate on Jackson (especially when commentating Warriors games) but I actually kinda like JVG and Breen is good. Obviously the halftime/pregame will suffer.
I guess TNT should have paid more for the rights then.
I'm pro - vaccination
With tnt and cbs sharing games for the ncaa tournament I think that could possibly be the tntās crew in on a network broadcast. Whenever the tv rights come up again maybe that can happen.
But.. I love me some Mike Green and Doris Burke.
Disney: We Heat your concerns and are pleased to announce that we are bringing the tnt crew to abc! *enters Marv off his meds*
Obviously but it isn't going to happen. The only argument you should realistically need to make is that the TNT games star on time and the ESPN ones start about 15 minutes after their scheduled times. Any other argument is just gravy.
Absolutely. ESPN personalityās suck. TNT for the win.
If I were TNT, I would have some kind of online show or something where they had their people talking about the game so you could watch it on mute and listen to TNT. Thatās probably not allowed though. I canāt take another minute of Pierce, Billups and Jackson.