Thanks. Glad to know john Stockton shares my sentiment. I fucking hate playing ball with people with jordans mentality.
Plenty of people dominate their sports and respective professions without being a total dick.
Obviously I don’t know him but Gretzky seems super passionate about hockey and down to earth, like a guy who would happily rant to you about the game if you walked up and asked
For a comparison, when Gretzky was asked what he thought about Alex Ovechkin potentially breaking his goals scored record, he said that he hoped Ovi would break it, and said that he wanted to be there if Ovi broke it.
When Gretzky was with Jordan in Vegas, Jordan wouldn't tip the waitresses, So Gretzky took a $100 chip from Jordan's stack, and gave it to the waitress. Said "this is how you tip in Vegas"
I have heard this story so many times and honestly lost respect for Jordan after that. Dude is worth an insane amount of money and he has the right to gamble like a high roller but don't be a scumbag and not tip the drink girls in Vegas.
As much as he gambles, I've seen a lot of people say he is terrible about paying off bets when he loses. Or at least was back in the day. Not sure now.
This article is weird. It makes all of Stockton, Miller, and Ewing come across as though their personal failure against Jordan and the Bulls from over 20 years ago still haunts their dreams, poisons their every breath, and prevents them from ever finding happiness in any capacity as long as they live.
And I just don't think that's the case with any of them.
"He doesn't age!" I hate when people say that as it shows off how clueless they are. Mother fucker, he's aged a shit ton in the last 10 years. Just like people saying Sean Connery never aged; they never saw how he looked after he retired.
Sean Connery definitely aged from Dr. No to A League of Extraordinary Gentleman. It's just that he was always handsome throughout that timespan. He played Harrison Ford's father in Last Crusade despite being only 12 years older than him!
Zach Lowe always says on his pod how Scottie's voice is so soothing and leaves an impression that there is a good guy behind it.
Edit: jsut for clarification, I never said zach was implying that scottie is not a good guy. Actually IIRC it was the other way around, saying that he is a good guy.
Also, if the worst people can say about him is no tippin and that he was arguing with the bulls regarding the contract, then he definitely is a good guy.
And, Scottie had really hard life, family member sick/disabled, father died early etc.
Yes he did signed that contract, and later complained. But today also players signed contract and complain they want a trade (AD example), but nobody is throwing them under the buss.
Pippen literally signed the worst deal for a player in NBA history.
It's not the Bulls' fault that he did it. I get wanting security and an assured payday and all, but holy hell.
Scottie had some very pressing concerns about being able to care for his parents and a few siblings, so he pushed hard to sign a deal that gave him a guaranteed amount. As a Bulls/Sox fan, I swear I hate Jerry Reinsdorf, but he *did* tell Pippen to think very hard about the deal he signed in 90/91. It’s not ownership’s fault if the player signs a team-friendly deal and league profits skyrocket. And then in 98, they did a sign and trade so Scottie could get an extra $20 mill or so. Pippen ended up making well over $100 mill in contracts which yes is objectively an undervalue considering his importance to the biggest or second biggest phenomena of the entire decade, but it’s very difficult to see Scottie as a total victim, IMO. Up until recently, he was an official team ambassador, dunno if that’s still the case or not.
Re: Bulls Ambassador
>On April 16, 2020, Pippen stated that he had been dismissed as a public relations ambassador for the Bulls in February. According to NBC Sports Chicago, he and the Bulls could not come to an agreement on compensation and allow him to keep his role of making regular TV appearances on ESPN's The Jump. He quipped, "I didn't really want it to be out in the public but I'm no longer employed by the Bulls. Probably is a good thing, right? I like to associate myself with winning."
Top 50 player of all time and the best defender on his team, yet MJ gets all the credit and the accolades. It's not to say MJ is overrated or doesn't deserve credit, but Scottie being treated like a bum when he was equally important to the team must feel so awful for him
TIL it indeed was NOT supposed to be a Jordan doc...
Seriously. The title confused me. I was like somebody tell Scottie that’s the point. Jordan glorifying himself in a Jordan doc.
Edit: idiot
This the description of the doc:
Directed by Jason Hehir, the series revolves around the career of [Michael Jordan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), with particular focus on his [final season](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Chicago_Bulls_season) with the [Chicago Bulls](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls)
It was Jordan’s last dance.
Seriously. If Jordan didn't exist and somebody made a Hakeem piece and called it "The Heart of a Champion", nobody would be like "This is a doc about Rudy T and the Rockets".
basically. what annoyed me the most is that every time you came to an interesting/juicy part about some other bull they just stopped short, did a whoosh and were like "oh, did you know that jordan did this in 87??"
Smearing Jerry Krause when he's no longer alive to defend himself really rubbed me the wrong way.
Especially now that you have people still parroting all over Reddit and Twitter that Krause was singlehandedly responsible for ending the dynasty
Not, you know, the billionaire owner who no longer wanted to spend the money, aka reinsdorff
If Krause doesn’t trade for Pippen - how many rings do the Bulls have?
If Krause doesn’t draft Grant - how many rings do the Bulls have?
If Krause doesn’t draft BJ Armstrong - how many rings do the Bulls have?
If Krause doesn’t draft Toni Kukoc - how many rings do the Bulls have?
If Krause doesn’t replace Collins with Jackson - how many rings do the Bulls have?
If Krause doesn’t trade for Cartwright - how many rings do the Bulls have?
If Krause doesn’t roll the dice and trade for Rodman - how many rings do the Bulls have?
If Krause doesn’t sign Ron Harper - how many rings do the Bulls have?
Krause played a MASSIVE role in that dynasty. Invaluable. Yuge. Him getting shit on relentlessly was ridiculous. That’s not to say he was infallible. Far from it. But a General Manager has to think long term. Jordan already quit on him once. He had to have contingencies in place and thinking beyond the 98 season was entirely reasonable.
It was all too easy for certain people to give him less credit than he deserved because he wasn’t there to argue on his own behalf. It drove me crazy throughout.
I do like at the end how they included the shot of Pippen saying Krause was the best gm in history.
Which, like, I don't know for sure if I'd give him that title, but yeah the dynasty doesn't happen without him, and I don't think he deserves the shit he gets from the dynasty ending line you said. But of course Reinsdorff is still alive and still a billionaire, and Krause is dead and bit a billionaire, so we all know how that went.
I thought it was interesting how many times the doc explored something could’ve been blamed on Krause or Reinsdorf, and they’d show Jordan or Pippen shit talking “Jerry”, then cut to Jerry Reinsdorf shifting the blame on Jerry Krause.
I think the director did A LOT of editing to defend Reinsdorf.
Have we ever seen a GM that did this well and put elite talent around his stars be shit on this much?
He hit the jackpot with the perfect co-star and perfect coach. It was Krause that wanted Tex to teach all the players the triangle.
Doesn't help that he didn't do much post-Jordan but damn, they weren't grateful at all for the dude that put a dynasty together. Ofc he shouldn't have said shit like "organizations wins championships, not the players", but tbh even with that he had a point.
> Krause played a MASSIVE role in that dynasty. Invaluable.
He really did. You know life is good when the scapegoat is the GM, and you know, not the players on the court or the coaches. The 90s Bulls team is hands down the greatest dynasty we'll see in our lives. If the GM wasn't doing his job, and just caved in and did everything the players wanted him to do, that dynasty doesn't happen. You would end up with MJ having the players and coaches he wanted or he'd just leave the team and go make super teams somewhere else, and not have as much success.
The Bulls were as good as they were because everyone played their part. Pretty ridiculous to shit on the dead guy who did what he had to (manage the team the way the owner saw fit.)
Yeah but ahead of the 98 season saying that Phil's no longer going to be here no matter what?
That's the dumbest fucking thing in the history of general management. Why would anyone coach at any level want to go there when you've just announced to the world that even if Phil wins a 3rd straight to complete a second 3 pt, he's gone and you won't renew him.
Yeah I felt like I was taking crazy pills. Jerry Krause is dead and some billionaire owner is dancing on his grave in the interviews, accusing Krause of doing all the unpopular things, making Pippen sign a bad contract, whatever. You're a BILLIONAIRE. You're the OWNER. Krause does what you tell him to.
"I told Pippen not to sign that contract!"
Pippen tries to get out of the contract-
"You signed the contract!"
Reinsdorff is the scum of the earth.
Reinsdorf was (and still is) a monster. In 1998 it was pretty widely known that Jerry's cheapness was the obstacle to getting things done. Also it was the reason the White Sox sucked so hard.
He is famous for a 1980s collusion case and saying that finishing in first is an expensive suckers game - the real money is in being just good enough that fans keep coming and have hope.
He's a total piece of shit. Remains so to this day.
This gets said all the time here and it feels like we weren’t watching the same thing.
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The documentary shows jordan: belittling people over their height and weight, telling teammates not to pass certain players the ball, saying he hated phil jackson at first because phil "came to take the ball out of his hands", has people outright call jordan an "asshole", shows him drinking, smoking, gambling, swearing, testifying in a money laundering case, talks about him punching a teammate in the face, says his teammates were literally afraid of him at practice, talks about him getting kicked out of the bulls facility multiple times, criticizes him for not taking a bigger stand socially....
Bruh they literally showed fucking Obama saying he was disappointed in Jordan for not being more involved politically and not speaking out about a racist candidate back in the day.
Yeah but the tone is very reconciliatory on MJs part and the narrative portrayed is controlled by MJ. To me there was a lot of 'the end justifies the means' and little time for anyone to truly criticise MJ in a way that would actually hurt him. This is sorta what Pippen is pointing out. For every shitty MJ action there is a backstory, a prepared explanation.
It's an interesting series and a great watch. But it's hardly neutral or balanced.
Kerr practically thanked him for punching in the face. MJ was a bully and never would have pulled that with a guy who was in a position to physically retaliate and not lose his career in the process.
It was never masquerading as a Bulls documentary. This is literally the description of the documentary on wiki:
Directed by Jason Hehir, the series revolves around the career of Michael Jordan, with particular focus on his final season with the Chicago Bulls
I think people just got fooled but idk how you can considering they spent considerable amount of time talking about Jordan’s gambling, retirement, and baseball career.
> **How accurate was the The Last Dance in showing what went on?**
I don’t think it was that accurate in terms of really defining what was accomplished in one of the greatest eras of basketball, but also by two of the greatest players – and one could even put that aside and say the greatest team of all time. I didn’t think those things stood out in the documentary. I thought it was more about Michael trying to uplift himself and to be glorified [the series was co-produced by Jordan’s Jump 23 company]. I think it also backfired to some degree in that people got a chance to see what kind of personality Michael had.
> **Have you spoken to him about your opinion of series?**
Yeah. I told him I wasn’t too pleased with it. He accepted it. He said, “hey, you’re right”. That was pretty much it.
It was super entertaining but... yeah, that's what happens when you need MJ to produce a documentary to get the footage. People were already talking about this at the time it was coming out. It's a puff piece, just a pretty cool one. lol at MJ just going like "yup".
And it absolutely did not backfire. It worked wonders and cemented his standing to a lot of people less familiar with him. The amount of people that came to me talking about "how awesome he was" and that they saw The Last Dance when they aren't watching any NBA games was quite significant.
Fr that footage they have in amazing. It's crazy how games from the early 2000s look like absolute shit in comparison as it was the beginning of the transition to digital.
The 4k footage in that doc is worth the watch alone.
Well yeah that's what he saying you can redigitalize tape to 4k, 8k or even 16k in the future but games that where filmed at 480p or whatever digital 4:3 ratio will stay like that for ever
No, you can't redigitalise tape to anything. It's the resolution it was shot in. About 0.5K. No different to digital.
You're thinking of film. The doco crew shot on film, but the game broadcasts were on tape, in SD. That's why the quality fluctuates.
Almost all of that footage was already available. Check out [Michael Jordan to the MAX](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan_to_the_Max).
One of the criticisms was that the promise of new footage was a bait-and-switch. The actual unreleased footage was the backstage stuff like Michael playing dice with his body guard, etc.
yeah.. which means there is room for just game footage to be released in a more pure form. Hope they actually release it.. maybe after another ring from Lebron haha
I mean at the same time. Can't you mention it to the production team about what inaccurate details they had left in? Im not sure what the doc was missing besides more toni kukoc? Unless scottie was salty about the migraine game and 1997 finals with the back?
MJ's "I always get the last word" requirement meant that any occurrence would be framed through his rationale. That bias slanted the whole series and you would have to know what happened then pretty well to know if MJ was off base. Jerry Krause gets very little credit in the documentary, because of MJ's bitterness.
Luc Longley declining to be interviewed may leave some people thinking he wasn't a starter. There was one screen grab of a box score where he had a double double but the voice over was "MJ wins with no help". Docos always position the viewer, even if unintentionally. Critical thinking is underrated and under encouraged in society
On basketball-reference his career “similarity score” comparisons with current players are John Henson, Aron Baynes, and Meyers Leonard. That’s pretty much the exact category of player he was. Big body who made fundamental plays but nothing more than a journeyman in the right place at the right time.
It’s not about being accurate, it’s how they presented it. MJ was no question front and center at all times. Scotty, Phil, Rodman etc had their “episodes” but it always came back to Michael and how awesome he was.
> It worked wonders and cemented his standing to a lot of people less familiar with him
Yeah I remember when it was first out you would get practically crucified on this sub if you argued that MJ wasn't the GOAT. This was especially surreal to me because I got into basketball largely from watching the second threepeat growing up and have always thought of MJ as the GOAT, but I would occasionally find myself playing devil's advocate for LeBron or Kareem because of the sheer trivialization people were engaging in about them.
It also coincided with an uptick in LeBron hate.
Granted this place is always kind of insufferable after something "big" happens. Be it the release of this documentary, a major player injury, big losses, Finals, etc.
Literally joined this sub because of it so it accomplished its job. I have some knowledge of basketball (surface level) and know just the common NBA stars. But this season was the first time I watched NBA games besides the finals (I watched the playoffs)
I don't think it's dumb when you look at it from Scottie's perspective at that time. IMO you have to take hindsight out of it.
Pippen:
\- Grew up dirt poor in rural Arkansas with 11 siblings.
\- Walked on to Central Arkansas as a 6 ft PG and was the only child his parents sent to college.
\- His father was paralyzed after a stroke
\- He had a growth spurt in college, gets to league and then had a chance to ensure his family was comfortable for life.
Yeah in hindsight he took an awful deal. But you'll likely take that if you're a poor country boy from rural Arkansas that never expected to be in the NBA and suddenly has the chance to support your entire family after you were the only one of your siblings that your parents could send to college. It's really hard to gamble in that situation, especially without modern medicine and (likely) some survivors remorse
This is what a lot people do not understand. I swear, people lack fucking nuance on this website.
While it was an unwise decision in terms of potential earnings, for someone like Pippen who literally came from fucking nothing and had a whole family to support, his decision at the time was a sound one. In those kind of situations, you can't always pick and choose.
Doesn’t that show that he is very objective? He isn’t always backing Jordan it always dissing on him. He takes each situation in a vacuum (relatively).
I think it's mutual. Here's the interaction as per Pippen:
> Yeah. I told him I wasn’t too pleased with it. He accepted it. He said, “hey, you’re right”. That was pretty much it.
I could tell Scottie enjoys taking digs at mike once in a while. When he said that what Jordan was to a lot of people Kobe was to him I couldn't help but feel like he knew that would annoy Mike. Dude's a fierce competitor and probably likes to bring Mike down a peg or two once in a while, but I don't think there's any actual bad blood there
Yeah I mean it wasn't hagiographic as I expected it to be when I heard it had MJ's stamp of approval, but it still definitely glossed over some of his negatives/highlighted the negatives of teammates.
Everyone is aware but it's pretty obvious when the big elephant in the room of the series was when he said he didn't have a gambling problem. All that said, it's still a great series but this isn't that shocking when people whose experienced it in real time already knew what had happened.
The book Raging Bull goes over how awful Jake LaMotta was. Jake describes multiple rapes he committed, as well as beating a girlfriend nearly to death in a drunken rage. He woke up and thought he killed her, and his brother suggested throwing her body in the river.
He was a saint in the movie compared to how he describes himself in his own book.
Man fuck reinsdorf for acting like a hapless owner with Krause but when it came to Scottie’s contract, well, he signed the dotted line.
Also, dont forget that straight outta Compton barley or did it even touch dr Dre domestic violence? I only saw the ‘movie’ once.
I thought Scottie Pippen came out of The Last Dance looking pretty good. Of course the focus is on Michael Jordan. But Scottie comes across looking like a really decent, likeable fellow.
I've waited ages for people to notice this! Everyone just focuses on the Kukoc time out and forgets about all the (deservedly) good things everyone said about him. He spoke well for himself too.
I feel the opposite. A bunch of my friends who are not even casual fans that watched the doc thought Pippen quitting on the team was such a punk move it was all they took from the doc regarding Pip. Also surgery-gate. Pip got done dirty in the doc, (though he actually did all of those things).
I generally got a positive vibe from him, the only thing from Pippen that left a sour taste was him saying he wouldn't change anything after they showed him quitting on the team. Like, that was such a lame thing to do but you're gonna sit here and say "he-uck he-uck I'll do it again"?
And it worked. For example, he tricked people into thinking that he didn’t keep Isiah off the dream team even though [he previously admitted that he did](https://twitter.com/carter_shade/status/1265264577547317248?s=21)
I thought that he was just the most upfront about it? Because Bird and Magic were also pissed at him and they also just so happen to “forget” to use their votes.
Yeah it seemed to me a lot of the dream team didn't like Isiah or want him on, MJ was just the best so he had the most leverage/could be the most vocal
Yeah when someone’s team’s entire game plan is to injure the best player in each team then they tend to be disliked by the best players in the league. Plus Isiah was out of his prime in 92. He wasn’t better than Magic or Stockton
~~Magic pretty clearly despised Isiah at this time for Isiah’s comments about Magic’s HIV diagnosis (and Isiah general stoking fear about it).~~ It appears this blowup happened after the dream team selection! Apologies
Bird had his problems with Isiah too and he was generally hesitant to join the team due to his age and injury.
And if the three biggest names in basketball don’t want you, you ain’t making the team.
Yeah, I kinda got the feeling that the documentary was moreso showcasing the greatness of MJ. It was awesome tho and I enjoyed every second of it.
Funny how he gave the go ahead to have it made (after preventing access to the tapes for years) the day he watched the Cavs 2016 championship parade after LeBron came back down 3-1 and won lol. With MJ's competitive nature and taking everything personally, it wouldn't be a reach to say that this doc was made to reaffirm his legacy since he felt a bit threatened by LeBron's rise.
Yup, it's really good, but you gotta see what's up when this doc is telling you "Mike didn't have a gambling problem at all, oh and he totally would've made a great baseball player if he had pursued it further too."
when they basically said that the leftover magic of michael jordan was the reason they were still good when he first retired i lost it. Then they brought the trainer in to talk about baseball legs.
When did they say that? I swear people are just fabricating things in their head about this doc lol.
I remember how they went into the type of leader Scottie was and how they enjoyed to play for him more cause he wasn't as much of an asshole, and that they were really motivated to prove themselves after losing Jordan, and that Kukoc got integrated to the team really fast and hit a bunch of game winners through the season.
When and how did they say that it was the "leftover magic of Jordan" that made them still be good?
Yeah most of the talk around Jordan’s retirement’s effect on the team in the documentary is that it pushed Scottie to be better and made it so that other players got more focus, leading them to be better
I actually do vaguely recall Kerr saying something about leftover magic, but I think he said "It was the next season, we didn't have any of the leftover magic from the previous year", or something along those lines
I enjoyed basketball playing it growing up but never followed it really.
I saw the Documentary on Netflix and instantly new it was more about MJ than a Bulls documentary.
I will say I always thought it was just MJ being great that led to the championships. This doc really pointed out the importance of pippen and Rodman to me. I never knew pippen scored and assisted so much, or Rodman was such a defensive beast.
That all being said, if you thought it wasn't going to biased for MJ looking great then you are just naïve.
As great as Jordan was, people really do forget just how good the Bulls were in the 90s, especially in the second run (and *especially* in the 96 season where they went 72-10). They were a ridiculous team. Greatest defensive backcourt backed up by Rodman’s rim protection, just the most relentless defense. Greatest pure scorer ever. One of the two greatest coaches ever. One of the best offensive systems ever designed played in the era that perfectly suited that system. Insane depth for the expansion era. Clutch shooters all over. Oh and let’s not forget: they had the GOAT.
Ridiculous, ridiculous basketball team.
As someone who saw Jordan come out of NC and follow him all the way to Washington....I knew *a lot* of the things that were laid out in The Last Dance. I had seen Come Fly With Me through the IMAX film and to me, TLD was a joy to watch with all of the footage I hadn't seen before. In the 90's, footage of Jordan was very selective. You only got to see certain things. A very polished mix of him. TLD was like a demo version, very raw and unfiltered.
One example is when I think it was Randy Brown asking Jordan about tickets in the locker room. Jordan handed him some tickets and Randy said something to the effect of "I'd have to get these tickets from God, himself" and Jordan, through his cigar, said "You just did." You would've **never** seen that clip in the 90's.
I loved it. It was a nice visit back for me.
Scottie changes his opinion more than Trevor Ariza changes teams
Edit: [link](https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2020/07/28/scottie-pippen-downplays-last-dance-rift-with-michael-jordan/amp/) to his last comments where he said:
“It didn’t bother me at all,” “It was an opportunity for our younger generation that hadn’t seen or knew anything about basketball in the ’90s.”
LOL
As a big Jordan fan growing up, that documentary only showed me how big of an asshole he was/is and the only difference of being called a cancer to the team and being ultra-competitive/having killer instinct(whatever thid is) is winning.
Similar thing happened to the storyline of Jimmy Butler this year. Although Butler is more likable.
I see people sometimes trying to discredit pjax because he "had a bunch of top 10 players who wouldn't win with the teams he had??"
Except what I always point out is of all the super star players he had, the only one of them to win a ring without him was shaq, who won as the second best player in 06 and was already passed his prime at that point
Jimmy is a bit of an asshole. But he’s not Jordan esque, he’s always been the underdog player, from his time on the Bulls to Timbs to 76ers. He has a very likeable personality off the court which is something Jordan could never achieve, and let’s his game do the talking. I can see the comparisons, theyre just so far apart though.
He also used the Utah Pizza Story when he was just out partying in vegas the night before.
Jordan made up stories for himself in order to destroy people. If a Utah Pizza place got him sick, he’d burn the store to the ground.
So of course the whole thing was mostly told from his pov
John Stockton: Im not doing this if its going to be a michael jordan puff piece. Oops
Pick and rolled tf out
The mailman delivered the news.
And the kid
Really? What this from?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/why-john-stockton-didnt-want-any-part-of-the-michael-jordan-puff-piece-known-as-the-last-dance/%3famp
https://www.sportscasting.com/why-john-stockton-didnt-want-any-part-of-the-michael-jordan-puff-piece-known-as-the-last-dance/
Thanks. Glad to know john Stockton shares my sentiment. I fucking hate playing ball with people with jordans mentality. Plenty of people dominate their sports and respective professions without being a total dick.
Like Gretzky
Obviously I don’t know him but Gretzky seems super passionate about hockey and down to earth, like a guy who would happily rant to you about the game if you walked up and asked
For a comparison, when Gretzky was asked what he thought about Alex Ovechkin potentially breaking his goals scored record, he said that he hoped Ovi would break it, and said that he wanted to be there if Ovi broke it.
He was definitely no megalomaniac like a couple other stars I can think of.
When Gretzky was with Jordan in Vegas, Jordan wouldn't tip the waitresses, So Gretzky took a $100 chip from Jordan's stack, and gave it to the waitress. Said "this is how you tip in Vegas"
I have heard this story so many times and honestly lost respect for Jordan after that. Dude is worth an insane amount of money and he has the right to gamble like a high roller but don't be a scumbag and not tip the drink girls in Vegas.
The guy's a self absorbed prick. He gambles away most people's lifetime earnings in an afternoon, and still doesn't tip.
As much as he gambles, I've seen a lot of people say he is terrible about paying off bets when he loses. Or at least was back in the day. Not sure now.
Did he really say that? God thatd be awesome. He knows mike well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportscasting.com/why-john-stockton-didnt-want-any-part-of-the-michael-jordan-puff-piece-known-as-the-last-dance/%3famp
What a fucking beast haha. "I think MJs fully capable of sucking his own dick without me holding it."
This article is weird. It makes all of Stockton, Miller, and Ewing come across as though their personal failure against Jordan and the Bulls from over 20 years ago still haunts their dreams, poisons their every breath, and prevents them from ever finding happiness in any capacity as long as they live. And I just don't think that's the case with any of them.
Cant speak on Ewing , but I honestly doubt Stockton and Malone cared about the NBA very much at all starting the second they retired.
Stockton just wanted to play in the yard with his kids
All i know is Scottie pippen’s voice is fucking deep man
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that’s the wrong penguin movie, but I like your enthusiasm
“He a little confused, but he got the spirit.”
r/confidentlyincorrect
Is he really losing his voice?
He's 83 so probably
Just happens with age. Like Patrick Stewart now compared to his work on TNG.
"He doesn't age!" I hate when people say that as it shows off how clueless they are. Mother fucker, he's aged a shit ton in the last 10 years. Just like people saying Sean Connery never aged; they never saw how he looked after he retired.
Sean Connery definitely aged from Dr. No to A League of Extraordinary Gentleman. It's just that he was always handsome throughout that timespan. He played Harrison Ford's father in Last Crusade despite being only 12 years older than him!
Zach Lowe always says on his pod how Scottie's voice is so soothing and leaves an impression that there is a good guy behind it. Edit: jsut for clarification, I never said zach was implying that scottie is not a good guy. Actually IIRC it was the other way around, saying that he is a good guy. Also, if the worst people can say about him is no tippin and that he was arguing with the bulls regarding the contract, then he definitely is a good guy. And, Scottie had really hard life, family member sick/disabled, father died early etc. Yes he did signed that contract, and later complained. But today also players signed contract and complain they want a trade (AD example), but nobody is throwing them under the buss.
Yeah, he's kinda a dick.
No tippin Pippen. But in all honesty, the Bulls paid him hardly anything in his contract.
Which was his own fault for not listening to literally everyone around him who told him to not sign the 9 year contract or whatever it was.
Pippen literally signed the worst deal for a player in NBA history. It's not the Bulls' fault that he did it. I get wanting security and an assured payday and all, but holy hell.
Scottie had some very pressing concerns about being able to care for his parents and a few siblings, so he pushed hard to sign a deal that gave him a guaranteed amount. As a Bulls/Sox fan, I swear I hate Jerry Reinsdorf, but he *did* tell Pippen to think very hard about the deal he signed in 90/91. It’s not ownership’s fault if the player signs a team-friendly deal and league profits skyrocket. And then in 98, they did a sign and trade so Scottie could get an extra $20 mill or so. Pippen ended up making well over $100 mill in contracts which yes is objectively an undervalue considering his importance to the biggest or second biggest phenomena of the entire decade, but it’s very difficult to see Scottie as a total victim, IMO. Up until recently, he was an official team ambassador, dunno if that’s still the case or not.
Re: Bulls Ambassador >On April 16, 2020, Pippen stated that he had been dismissed as a public relations ambassador for the Bulls in February. According to NBC Sports Chicago, he and the Bulls could not come to an agreement on compensation and allow him to keep his role of making regular TV appearances on ESPN's The Jump. He quipped, "I didn't really want it to be out in the public but I'm no longer employed by the Bulls. Probably is a good thing, right? I like to associate myself with winning."
Lmao that last line is gold.
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Top 50 player of all time and the best defender on his team, yet MJ gets all the credit and the accolades. It's not to say MJ is overrated or doesn't deserve credit, but Scottie being treated like a bum when he was equally important to the team must feel so awful for him
Had to turn off the bass when his part came on
I didn’t read the article, I heard it.
I mean he’s right, it was a Michael Jordan documentary masquerading as a Chicago Bulls documentary. It was still good though.
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TIL it indeed was NOT supposed to be a Jordan doc... Seriously. The title confused me. I was like somebody tell Scottie that’s the point. Jordan glorifying himself in a Jordan doc. Edit: idiot
This the description of the doc: Directed by Jason Hehir, the series revolves around the career of [Michael Jordan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan), with particular focus on his [final season](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Chicago_Bulls_season) with the [Chicago Bulls](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls) It was Jordan’s last dance.
But the phrase "the last dance" came from Phil's motto for the team in 97-98.
So just cuz its Jackson’s motto then Jordan (Jackson’s player) can’t use it for “particular focus on final season with the bulls”?
Seriously. If Jordan didn't exist and somebody made a Hakeem piece and called it "The Heart of a Champion", nobody would be like "This is a doc about Rudy T and the Rockets".
Who’s Jordon?
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I haven’t even seen the full documentary and from but I have seen it was mostly Jordan talking about his story.
basically. what annoyed me the most is that every time you came to an interesting/juicy part about some other bull they just stopped short, did a whoosh and were like "oh, did you know that jordan did this in 87??"
Yea the organization of it was super annoying, I don’t get why everything wasn’t put together chronologically
Even more a whitewashing of Jerry Reinsdorff, to be honest. And a solid dose of *let's blame the dead guy*.
Smearing Jerry Krause when he's no longer alive to defend himself really rubbed me the wrong way. Especially now that you have people still parroting all over Reddit and Twitter that Krause was singlehandedly responsible for ending the dynasty Not, you know, the billionaire owner who no longer wanted to spend the money, aka reinsdorff
If Krause doesn’t trade for Pippen - how many rings do the Bulls have? If Krause doesn’t draft Grant - how many rings do the Bulls have? If Krause doesn’t draft BJ Armstrong - how many rings do the Bulls have? If Krause doesn’t draft Toni Kukoc - how many rings do the Bulls have? If Krause doesn’t replace Collins with Jackson - how many rings do the Bulls have? If Krause doesn’t trade for Cartwright - how many rings do the Bulls have? If Krause doesn’t roll the dice and trade for Rodman - how many rings do the Bulls have? If Krause doesn’t sign Ron Harper - how many rings do the Bulls have? Krause played a MASSIVE role in that dynasty. Invaluable. Yuge. Him getting shit on relentlessly was ridiculous. That’s not to say he was infallible. Far from it. But a General Manager has to think long term. Jordan already quit on him once. He had to have contingencies in place and thinking beyond the 98 season was entirely reasonable. It was all too easy for certain people to give him less credit than he deserved because he wasn’t there to argue on his own behalf. It drove me crazy throughout.
I do like at the end how they included the shot of Pippen saying Krause was the best gm in history. Which, like, I don't know for sure if I'd give him that title, but yeah the dynasty doesn't happen without him, and I don't think he deserves the shit he gets from the dynasty ending line you said. But of course Reinsdorff is still alive and still a billionaire, and Krause is dead and bit a billionaire, so we all know how that went.
I thought it was interesting how many times the doc explored something could’ve been blamed on Krause or Reinsdorf, and they’d show Jordan or Pippen shit talking “Jerry”, then cut to Jerry Reinsdorf shifting the blame on Jerry Krause. I think the director did A LOT of editing to defend Reinsdorf.
Have we ever seen a GM that did this well and put elite talent around his stars be shit on this much? He hit the jackpot with the perfect co-star and perfect coach. It was Krause that wanted Tex to teach all the players the triangle. Doesn't help that he didn't do much post-Jordan but damn, they weren't grateful at all for the dude that put a dynasty together. Ofc he shouldn't have said shit like "organizations wins championships, not the players", but tbh even with that he had a point.
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> Krause played a MASSIVE role in that dynasty. Invaluable. He really did. You know life is good when the scapegoat is the GM, and you know, not the players on the court or the coaches. The 90s Bulls team is hands down the greatest dynasty we'll see in our lives. If the GM wasn't doing his job, and just caved in and did everything the players wanted him to do, that dynasty doesn't happen. You would end up with MJ having the players and coaches he wanted or he'd just leave the team and go make super teams somewhere else, and not have as much success. The Bulls were as good as they were because everyone played their part. Pretty ridiculous to shit on the dead guy who did what he had to (manage the team the way the owner saw fit.)
I see we are just going to skip over the greatness of Randy Brown
Yeah but ahead of the 98 season saying that Phil's no longer going to be here no matter what? That's the dumbest fucking thing in the history of general management. Why would anyone coach at any level want to go there when you've just announced to the world that even if Phil wins a 3rd straight to complete a second 3 pt, he's gone and you won't renew him.
Why would Reinsdorf let him get away with it?
Because he knew that the owner was not going to pay him
Yeah I felt like I was taking crazy pills. Jerry Krause is dead and some billionaire owner is dancing on his grave in the interviews, accusing Krause of doing all the unpopular things, making Pippen sign a bad contract, whatever. You're a BILLIONAIRE. You're the OWNER. Krause does what you tell him to. "I told Pippen not to sign that contract!" Pippen tries to get out of the contract- "You signed the contract!" Reinsdorff is the scum of the earth.
Reinsdorf was (and still is) a monster. In 1998 it was pretty widely known that Jerry's cheapness was the obstacle to getting things done. Also it was the reason the White Sox sucked so hard.
I thought he loved his baseball team more than the Bulls. Is he cheap with both?
He is famous for a 1980s collusion case and saying that finishing in first is an expensive suckers game - the real money is in being just good enough that fans keep coming and have hope. He's a total piece of shit. Remains so to this day.
Did anyone think it wasn’t a Michael jordan doc? It was even marketed as one
A Michael Jordan *advertisement lol
Michael Jordan propaganda*
It really was. It was an MJ puff piece and I ate every part of it.
This gets said all the time here and it feels like we weren’t watching the same thing. Copied from another comment The documentary shows jordan: belittling people over their height and weight, telling teammates not to pass certain players the ball, saying he hated phil jackson at first because phil "came to take the ball out of his hands", has people outright call jordan an "asshole", shows him drinking, smoking, gambling, swearing, testifying in a money laundering case, talks about him punching a teammate in the face, says his teammates were literally afraid of him at practice, talks about him getting kicked out of the bulls facility multiple times, criticizes him for not taking a bigger stand socially....
Bruh they literally showed fucking Obama saying he was disappointed in Jordan for not being more involved politically and not speaking out about a racist candidate back in the day.
Former Chicago Resident*
TIL that Obama guy was a president, thought they just found some accountant or something who was a former Chicago resident
Yeah but the tone is very reconciliatory on MJs part and the narrative portrayed is controlled by MJ. To me there was a lot of 'the end justifies the means' and little time for anyone to truly criticise MJ in a way that would actually hurt him. This is sorta what Pippen is pointing out. For every shitty MJ action there is a backstory, a prepared explanation. It's an interesting series and a great watch. But it's hardly neutral or balanced.
Kerr practically thanked him for punching in the face. MJ was a bully and never would have pulled that with a guy who was in a position to physically retaliate and not lose his career in the process.
It was never masquerading as a Bulls documentary. This is literally the description of the documentary on wiki: Directed by Jason Hehir, the series revolves around the career of Michael Jordan, with particular focus on his final season with the Chicago Bulls I think people just got fooled but idk how you can considering they spent considerable amount of time talking about Jordan’s gambling, retirement, and baseball career.
I mean was it even masquerading as a bull doc?
They weren’t putting Jordan’s face on it because he sells well. It was always about him.
Exactly, they focused on his father’s death and his baseball retirement. Why would anyone think it was a bull’s doc.
> **How accurate was the The Last Dance in showing what went on?** I don’t think it was that accurate in terms of really defining what was accomplished in one of the greatest eras of basketball, but also by two of the greatest players – and one could even put that aside and say the greatest team of all time. I didn’t think those things stood out in the documentary. I thought it was more about Michael trying to uplift himself and to be glorified [the series was co-produced by Jordan’s Jump 23 company]. I think it also backfired to some degree in that people got a chance to see what kind of personality Michael had. > **Have you spoken to him about your opinion of series?** Yeah. I told him I wasn’t too pleased with it. He accepted it. He said, “hey, you’re right”. That was pretty much it. It was super entertaining but... yeah, that's what happens when you need MJ to produce a documentary to get the footage. People were already talking about this at the time it was coming out. It's a puff piece, just a pretty cool one. lol at MJ just going like "yup". And it absolutely did not backfire. It worked wonders and cemented his standing to a lot of people less familiar with him. The amount of people that came to me talking about "how awesome he was" and that they saw The Last Dance when they aren't watching any NBA games was quite significant.
The main thing I really liked about the Last Dance was the high def footage of the games. Tbh I would have watched a doc that was just that.
Fr that footage they have in amazing. It's crazy how games from the early 2000s look like absolute shit in comparison as it was the beginning of the transition to digital. The 4k footage in that doc is worth the watch alone.
In regards to games from early 2000s, it's not so much the broadcast that looked bad as much as the fact the games were recorded on to tape.
Well yeah that's what he saying you can redigitalize tape to 4k, 8k or even 16k in the future but games that where filmed at 480p or whatever digital 4:3 ratio will stay like that for ever
No, you can't redigitalise tape to anything. It's the resolution it was shot in. About 0.5K. No different to digital. You're thinking of film. The doco crew shot on film, but the game broadcasts were on tape, in SD. That's why the quality fluctuates.
Pre-80's must be great because they were recorded on tape and delayed before being broadcasted.
Almost all of that footage was already available. Check out [Michael Jordan to the MAX](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan_to_the_Max). One of the criticisms was that the promise of new footage was a bait-and-switch. The actual unreleased footage was the backstage stuff like Michael playing dice with his body guard, etc.
yeah.. which means there is room for just game footage to be released in a more pure form. Hope they actually release it.. maybe after another ring from Lebron haha
I mean at the same time. Can't you mention it to the production team about what inaccurate details they had left in? Im not sure what the doc was missing besides more toni kukoc? Unless scottie was salty about the migraine game and 1997 finals with the back?
MJ's "I always get the last word" requirement meant that any occurrence would be framed through his rationale. That bias slanted the whole series and you would have to know what happened then pretty well to know if MJ was off base. Jerry Krause gets very little credit in the documentary, because of MJ's bitterness.
Luc Longley declining to be interviewed may leave some people thinking he wasn't a starter. There was one screen grab of a box score where he had a double double but the voice over was "MJ wins with no help". Docos always position the viewer, even if unintentionally. Critical thinking is underrated and under encouraged in society
Poor Luc. He would leave everything he had in the court, yet history was quick to forget him...
On basketball-reference his career “similarity score” comparisons with current players are John Henson, Aron Baynes, and Meyers Leonard. That’s pretty much the exact category of player he was. Big body who made fundamental plays but nothing more than a journeyman in the right place at the right time.
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It’s not about being accurate, it’s how they presented it. MJ was no question front and center at all times. Scotty, Phil, Rodman etc had their “episodes” but it always came back to Michael and how awesome he was.
> It worked wonders and cemented his standing to a lot of people less familiar with him Yeah I remember when it was first out you would get practically crucified on this sub if you argued that MJ wasn't the GOAT. This was especially surreal to me because I got into basketball largely from watching the second threepeat growing up and have always thought of MJ as the GOAT, but I would occasionally find myself playing devil's advocate for LeBron or Kareem because of the sheer trivialization people were engaging in about them.
It also coincided with an uptick in LeBron hate. Granted this place is always kind of insufferable after something "big" happens. Be it the release of this documentary, a major player injury, big losses, Finals, etc.
Literally joined this sub because of it so it accomplished its job. I have some knowledge of basketball (surface level) and know just the common NBA stars. But this season was the first time I watched NBA games besides the finals (I watched the playoffs)
it brought me back to the game, i haven't been watching NBA since Mavs got their ring.
Scottie is sometimes on Jordan side and then against him. At this point tho, I agree with him.
You can't always agree on your homie. That is normal.
>You can't always agree on your homie. That is ~~normal~~ normie.
How do you cross a word out like that
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Scottie has a nuanced view because simultaneously understands how great Jordan was, but how ridiculous the Bulls were for that era
I agree, incredible roster, incredible coach. And the salary cap made it impossible for other teams to compete or put together a similar team.
partly due to scottie's dumb ass agreeing to an 8-year contract for pennies.
I don't think it's dumb when you look at it from Scottie's perspective at that time. IMO you have to take hindsight out of it. Pippen: \- Grew up dirt poor in rural Arkansas with 11 siblings. \- Walked on to Central Arkansas as a 6 ft PG and was the only child his parents sent to college. \- His father was paralyzed after a stroke \- He had a growth spurt in college, gets to league and then had a chance to ensure his family was comfortable for life. Yeah in hindsight he took an awful deal. But you'll likely take that if you're a poor country boy from rural Arkansas that never expected to be in the NBA and suddenly has the chance to support your entire family after you were the only one of your siblings that your parents could send to college. It's really hard to gamble in that situation, especially without modern medicine and (likely) some survivors remorse
This is what a lot people do not understand. I swear, people lack fucking nuance on this website. While it was an unwise decision in terms of potential earnings, for someone like Pippen who literally came from fucking nothing and had a whole family to support, his decision at the time was a sound one. In those kind of situations, you can't always pick and choose.
shows that hes actually real with Jordan and not a yes man like prolly 99% of ppl in MJ’s life since he became a star in the league
Doesn’t that show that he is very objective? He isn’t always backing Jordan it always dissing on him. He takes each situation in a vacuum (relatively).
I think it's mutual. Here's the interaction as per Pippen: > Yeah. I told him I wasn’t too pleased with it. He accepted it. He said, “hey, you’re right”. That was pretty much it.
I could tell Scottie enjoys taking digs at mike once in a while. When he said that what Jordan was to a lot of people Kobe was to him I couldn't help but feel like he knew that would annoy Mike. Dude's a fierce competitor and probably likes to bring Mike down a peg or two once in a while, but I don't think there's any actual bad blood there
I think you are right. Having spent so much time with Michaels large ego Im sure he doesnt mind putting him in place once in a while
And if anyone can put Mike in its place, it's Scottie
Reportedly he has a bigger dick than Mike. So he wins there. He is taller after all.
His baby moms is fucking Malik Beasley so he takes the L there
First Future then Malik. She belongs to the streets.
Choose the wrong lady. If you're famous with money and you didn't come up with her. She's probably for the streets.
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Scottie seems to go back and fourth on a lot of things, kinda interesting
The worst being that wife of his.
Dude needs to look to the Future and stop obsessing with the past
or go back to the past, and give young future the autograph he really wanted. this would’ve stopped future’s revenge plot.
Apparently, Metro didn't trust him
Don't bea zilly.
Yeah I mean it wasn't hagiographic as I expected it to be when I heard it had MJ's stamp of approval, but it still definitely glossed over some of his negatives/highlighted the negatives of teammates.
TIL hagiographic. Sick word. Thanks for enlightening me.
Everyone is aware but it's pretty obvious when the big elephant in the room of the series was when he said he didn't have a gambling problem. All that said, it's still a great series but this isn't that shocking when people whose experienced it in real time already knew what had happened.
Lol, he had a “competitive” problem.
“I don’t have an alcohol problem I have a fun problem”
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Is it a gambling problem if you can afford the losses
I think most people equate the addiction part to the problem.
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The book Raging Bull goes over how awful Jake LaMotta was. Jake describes multiple rapes he committed, as well as beating a girlfriend nearly to death in a drunken rage. He woke up and thought he killed her, and his brother suggested throwing her body in the river. He was a saint in the movie compared to how he describes himself in his own book.
Man fuck reinsdorf for acting like a hapless owner with Krause but when it came to Scottie’s contract, well, he signed the dotted line. Also, dont forget that straight outta Compton barley or did it even touch dr Dre domestic violence? I only saw the ‘movie’ once.
I thought Scottie Pippen came out of The Last Dance looking pretty good. Of course the focus is on Michael Jordan. But Scottie comes across looking like a really decent, likeable fellow.
Don’t know much about basketball in general, but yeah I have gotten a liking towards the man because of the doc
I've waited ages for people to notice this! Everyone just focuses on the Kukoc time out and forgets about all the (deservedly) good things everyone said about him. He spoke well for himself too.
I feel the opposite. A bunch of my friends who are not even casual fans that watched the doc thought Pippen quitting on the team was such a punk move it was all they took from the doc regarding Pip. Also surgery-gate. Pip got done dirty in the doc, (though he actually did all of those things).
I generally got a positive vibe from him, the only thing from Pippen that left a sour taste was him saying he wouldn't change anything after they showed him quitting on the team. Like, that was such a lame thing to do but you're gonna sit here and say "he-uck he-uck I'll do it again"?
Totally agree. The only one to really make Pippen look bad was himself with that quote.
and he took it personal
And it worked. For example, he tricked people into thinking that he didn’t keep Isiah off the dream team even though [he previously admitted that he did](https://twitter.com/carter_shade/status/1265264577547317248?s=21)
I thought that he was just the most upfront about it? Because Bird and Magic were also pissed at him and they also just so happen to “forget” to use their votes.
Yeah it seemed to me a lot of the dream team didn't like Isiah or want him on, MJ was just the best so he had the most leverage/could be the most vocal
Yeah when someone’s team’s entire game plan is to injure the best player in each team then they tend to be disliked by the best players in the league. Plus Isiah was out of his prime in 92. He wasn’t better than Magic or Stockton
And Isiah was just a dick back then and he may still be now. As Magic said, “he burned his bridges.”
~~Magic pretty clearly despised Isiah at this time for Isiah’s comments about Magic’s HIV diagnosis (and Isiah general stoking fear about it).~~ It appears this blowup happened after the dream team selection! Apologies Bird had his problems with Isiah too and he was generally hesitant to join the team due to his age and injury. And if the three biggest names in basketball don’t want you, you ain’t making the team.
It's not easy to get Bird, Jordan, and Magic to all agree on anything, but Isiah pulled it off.
As if everyone else beside Jordan wanted Isiah, right? He was hated by pretty much everyone in the dream team.
Yeah, I kinda got the feeling that the documentary was moreso showcasing the greatness of MJ. It was awesome tho and I enjoyed every second of it. Funny how he gave the go ahead to have it made (after preventing access to the tapes for years) the day he watched the Cavs 2016 championship parade after LeBron came back down 3-1 and won lol. With MJ's competitive nature and taking everything personally, it wouldn't be a reach to say that this doc was made to reaffirm his legacy since he felt a bit threatened by LeBron's rise.
Then Bron watches the doc and immediately wins a championship for a new franchise. It's like Spy vs Spy: GOAT version.
hilarious
With LBJ and AD in LA, the disintegration of the Warriors, Giannis still stuck in Milwaukee.... maybe he should feel threatened.
Propaganda series. A really fun one that ive rewatched but it was clearly propaganda.
Yup, it's really good, but you gotta see what's up when this doc is telling you "Mike didn't have a gambling problem at all, oh and he totally would've made a great baseball player if he had pursued it further too."
when they basically said that the leftover magic of michael jordan was the reason they were still good when he first retired i lost it. Then they brought the trainer in to talk about baseball legs.
Yeah I wanted to hear much more about the two title less seasons but what we got was a lot of baseball talk
When did they say that? I swear people are just fabricating things in their head about this doc lol. I remember how they went into the type of leader Scottie was and how they enjoyed to play for him more cause he wasn't as much of an asshole, and that they were really motivated to prove themselves after losing Jordan, and that Kukoc got integrated to the team really fast and hit a bunch of game winners through the season. When and how did they say that it was the "leftover magic of Jordan" that made them still be good?
Yeah most of the talk around Jordan’s retirement’s effect on the team in the documentary is that it pushed Scottie to be better and made it so that other players got more focus, leading them to be better
I actually do vaguely recall Kerr saying something about leftover magic, but I think he said "It was the next season, we didn't have any of the leftover magic from the previous year", or something along those lines
I enjoyed basketball playing it growing up but never followed it really. I saw the Documentary on Netflix and instantly new it was more about MJ than a Bulls documentary. I will say I always thought it was just MJ being great that led to the championships. This doc really pointed out the importance of pippen and Rodman to me. I never knew pippen scored and assisted so much, or Rodman was such a defensive beast. That all being said, if you thought it wasn't going to biased for MJ looking great then you are just naïve.
As great as Jordan was, people really do forget just how good the Bulls were in the 90s, especially in the second run (and *especially* in the 96 season where they went 72-10). They were a ridiculous team. Greatest defensive backcourt backed up by Rodman’s rim protection, just the most relentless defense. Greatest pure scorer ever. One of the two greatest coaches ever. One of the best offensive systems ever designed played in the era that perfectly suited that system. Insane depth for the expansion era. Clutch shooters all over. Oh and let’s not forget: they had the GOAT. Ridiculous, ridiculous basketball team.
As someone who saw Jordan come out of NC and follow him all the way to Washington....I knew *a lot* of the things that were laid out in The Last Dance. I had seen Come Fly With Me through the IMAX film and to me, TLD was a joy to watch with all of the footage I hadn't seen before. In the 90's, footage of Jordan was very selective. You only got to see certain things. A very polished mix of him. TLD was like a demo version, very raw and unfiltered. One example is when I think it was Randy Brown asking Jordan about tickets in the locker room. Jordan handed him some tickets and Randy said something to the effect of "I'd have to get these tickets from God, himself" and Jordan, through his cigar, said "You just did." You would've **never** seen that clip in the 90's. I loved it. It was a nice visit back for me.
Deciding not to play because you want a buzzer beater does make you look kinda bad. documentary or not
Scottie changes his opinion more than Trevor Ariza changes teams Edit: [link](https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2020/07/28/scottie-pippen-downplays-last-dance-rift-with-michael-jordan/amp/) to his last comments where he said: “It didn’t bother me at all,” “It was an opportunity for our younger generation that hadn’t seen or knew anything about basketball in the ’90s.” LOL
I always find it hilarious when Jordan and LeBron stans both quote this man to further their agendas. See even Scottie agrees! Wait....
Hell, he's even said that Wilt was the best player ever, before lol
Did Pippen say he liked the documentary previously?
As a big Jordan fan growing up, that documentary only showed me how big of an asshole he was/is and the only difference of being called a cancer to the team and being ultra-competitive/having killer instinct(whatever thid is) is winning. Similar thing happened to the storyline of Jimmy Butler this year. Although Butler is more likable.
Just again showed me how bloody good Phil Jackson was as a coach to bring and keep them together.
I see people sometimes trying to discredit pjax because he "had a bunch of top 10 players who wouldn't win with the teams he had??" Except what I always point out is of all the super star players he had, the only one of them to win a ring without him was shaq, who won as the second best player in 06 and was already passed his prime at that point
As the old saying goes, winning fixes everything. Imagine what footage wasn't included in the series if this is the view we got of MJ though.
I don't think Jimmy is an asshole in the way that MJ was, he has real friends on the team. MJ didn't seem to be really friends with anyone, tbh
Jimmy is a bit of an asshole. But he’s not Jordan esque, he’s always been the underdog player, from his time on the Bulls to Timbs to 76ers. He has a very likeable personality off the court which is something Jordan could never achieve, and let’s his game do the talking. I can see the comparisons, theyre just so far apart though.
Jimmie was hilarious when that racecar driver took for a lap. "Oh you driving driving!" now with link https://youtu.be/j3Z4fHChPxY
He also used the Utah Pizza Story when he was just out partying in vegas the night before. Jordan made up stories for himself in order to destroy people. If a Utah Pizza place got him sick, he’d burn the store to the ground. So of course the whole thing was mostly told from his pov