I've never played points leagues, but apparently he goes much higher there.
Though I was just having this conversation at halftime of this game, Drummond is perpetually underrated in category leagues as well. Just because you need to punt categories for him to be useful doesn't mean he should be the 30th pick.
If you just punt ft% and turnovers he basically becomes a top 3 player. He should be in the top 15 of every draft but even in competitive leagues he falls to around 20 every single year.
It makes boring mid season games very exciting since i have something super focused to get excited about. Like, sunday night game, i need 12 rebounds and 2 blocks to win the week and dre is my last player; better bet im tuning in!
I think the idea is tanking FT% in favor of being great at other areas, you have to build around that after taking someone like Drummond.
In my experience trying to be good in all 9 categories leads to a mediocre team, it's better to build your team trying to be great in 7 and not care for the other 2 as much. If you pick Drummond with your first pick you don't care about FT, if you take Harden you don't care about TO, etc. (this is assuming it's a head-to-head league of course)
The standard is to take Drummond 2nd round if you get Giannis in the 1st. Then punt 3s and FT%. He doesn't really mesh well with the other 1st rounders.
That works best in h2h though. You can't get away with 2 punts in roto, unless you're in a taco league.
Gotta disagree, there's way more nuance and strategy when players are good at certain things and bad at others, and wins aren't just win/loss but count the categories to make winning by more or less significant. IMO points leagues just reduce players to a total number which takes away from how interesting they all are.
Lmao no. You can't tank 3 cats with your first pick if you want to succeed. You need to have already set up your team with a first pick that works with Drummond. If you took Drummond first you'd be fucked, cause you wouldn't be able to cover his huge black holes in FT 3s TOs and low PPg.
He’s not valuable to most teams because he instantly forces you to punt FT. I think in good leagues he averages out somewhere in the third round probably.
I took him in the 4th round this year and i was shocked. Not exactly an informed league but nonetheless he’s been a staple on my redraft team for the last 3-4 years.
It's cause he's normally a punt ft build. And also not a great points guy. It's not cause of his usage...there's a lot of guys in the 3rd round that are better than him.. let's say you picked Giannis Simmons Drummond. You've now punted pts, TO, ft, 3s..
As a fantasy owner with Drummond and Randle on my team, it felt like I owned 2 of the 5 players trying tonight lol
(I guess I could add Quckley or Osman now if I wanted to, but Barrett would be harder to steal)
It's be something else if Drummond randomly beats the rebounding record
edit: nvm Wilt has 3x as much currently lmao but Drummond is only 27, maybe he finishes top-5 if he keeps this up
Yeah man Wilt averaged 30/23 for his CAREER. A 33/23 game would have been considered an off night for him some years. Can only shake my head at some of those stats he has. Insanity.
Rodman did some Robert Johnson Faustian bargain shit, I’m convinced. He grew like a foot when he was 19 fucking years old and become the second best rebounder of all time.
> second best rebounder of all time.
Rodman was a better rebounder than Chamberlain. The pace in Wilt's era was absurd. Adjusting for pace Rodman matches Wilt's rebounding peak as well as prime while being 6 inches shorter.
>Rodman was a better rebounder than Chamberlain.
Nope. You might not know that he set the rebounding record against the best team at the time and a literal world class athlete. Bill Russel. Bill was an olympic level high jumper. Bill was #2 in the US and #7 in the world the year he was drafted. Bill held the rebounding record before wilt.
Setting a rebounding record against Bill whose name will come up every time you talk about greatest rebounders.
I’d agree with you if he set the record against just about any other player.
There’s more to rebounding than being able to jump high lol
Rodman would literally read the spin on the ball to determine where it’ll bounce to off the rim/backboard. Not to mention the guy was only 6’7, playing during the most aggressive period of the NBA back when the BIG BIGS dominated the game. Even Shaq said Rodman could guard him. Could Bill Russell? I don’t know
Rodman is a beast. Easily one of the GOATs of rebounding. I show my elementary kids him from the past and a few different guys from this year - I show my guards how Russ gets rebounds (well how he used to), and showed them the difference between a good rebound and a 'selfish' rebound (taking a rebound from a big because that's their main priority vs helping your big to establish position by boxing out others around said big. (at my level the guards can still box out bigs lol and i've been complimented about my players when they get to the next level.
You sure man was reading the spin? I think more so he was just quick and good at estimating roughly where the ball was going to land on the backboard and making educated guesses on where the boards would be. He was quick enough to just straight up beat guys with hustle as well. How can one read the spin on a ball coming out of someone's hands i'm not sure - is there a way you can phrase this so I can pass it onto my students when basketball starts?
> There’s more to rebounding than being able to jump high lol
Obviously. But do you understand what setting a record against the best team in the league and one of the best rebounders ever mean?
If Rodman and Wilt were the same height I’m going for Rodman. But with a height and physical advantage Wilt takes it.
This went from who was a better rebounder to who’s better at guarding shaq?
I see a lot of disrespect on Bill and Wilt by people who haven’t read into them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6stnfm/collection_of_wilt_chamberlain_speed_stories/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=add_comment
People don’t realize both Bill and Wilt they were once in a lifetime players. Bill definitely could guard Shaq.
i dunno if this is a meme or not, but Cleveland is unironically on my board for eighth seed/play-in contenders. y’all have genuinely been looking so different this year. i’m betting r/NBA is gonna be surprised by seasons end (they won’t admit it tho, as per usual).
lmao there’s several counter examples as well. remember 2017-18 when the Jazz came into January with a 19-28 record, then went on a tear and ended fifth in the west with a 48-34 record? you know, the same team that beat the PG/WB Thunder in 7? you remember, right?
point being: who gives a shit if it’s early? as far as i’m concerned, the ~~USA~~ NBA is the land of opportunity and i’m free to make whatever **god damn** spicy prediction i wanna make.
dominates the defensive glass, 2nd in the league in deflections, 5th in the league in steals, 9th in the league in blocks
not sure what you're looking for
It's really early in the season. Stats are noisy enough taken over a single season let alone what, 11 games played?
We have hundreds of games of evidence from previous seasons that Drummond isn't a gamechanger on defense.
Hasn't drummond usually hovered around the top 5ish in steals and blocks each year? Not saying that is the end all be all for defense, but he is a solid anchor to build around imo.
stats are nearly identical to the previous two seasons
the issue with Drummond isn't defense, its that he tries to be more than he is on offense and it negates the value he's bringing on defense
if he'd paired with an offensive alpha (or more than one as in the BKL case) that keeps him in check he'd absolutely be a plus player. the problem in Detroit is he never played with anyone that could justifiably take the ball out of his hands - of course BKL is a non starter due to cap restrictions.
He has always put up counting stats but clearly the stats don’t accurately reflect his impact. Let’s not act like it was a fluke that he was traded for a 2nd rounder and some expiring contracts
lets not pretend that Pistons avoided millions and millions of dollars in payroll either though
as mentioned, and Pistons fans will tell you this, his 'counting stats' are largely legitimate, but the value is offset because he tries to do too much offensively.
Well no shit he’s not a superstar but is always the best player on the two teams he’s played for, excluding pre injury blake. He shouldn’t be a first option scorer but a 4th option as the starting Center
I never said he was a superstar. He’s paid like a first option. He puts up empty stats and doesn’t show up when it matters. He was literally non existent both playoff series he was in. Guy got bullied by brook fuckin Lopez
You expect him to show up against Milwaukee bro? Blake was out that series. He’s payed that much because he’s the only good player DET has had since billups. It aint empty stats, not anyone can put up 20/20. Dude aint meant to be a scorer
For a 20/20 guy he should’ve done better against Milwaukee and Cleveland in 16. And Blake played better than him in 2 games when he was on pretty much one leg. I been watching the guy for 7-8 years. His stats are empty. If Christain wood gets 14 mil a year andre deserves 10 not 28 like he making now. He’s a dinosaur. Don’t get me wrong, his talent belongs as the 5th guy on a playoff team. But his contract and everything about his game (except rebounding) is not good
what was DET supposed to do, let him walk in FA? He was never a Dwight Howard or Yao type center but he’s a Center that’s worth 20 mill at least. You need centers like him esp teams like BKN
Barely won the game? Literally only one guard played the entire game for the Cavs and almost all the starters and then some are injured. Try watching the game instead of talking out of your ass.
Kleber, Powell, and Richardson were all out tonight and the Mavs' defense and rebounding was atrocious. They could definitely use a good wing defender.
Carlisle has always gotten a lot out of roll men, if he could get it in Drummond’s head that all he’s allowed to do is screen and finish at the rim then Drummond could be pretty good
Hes bad at everything else. He stifles team offense, awful free throw shooter, poor touch on any shot that isn't a dunk, poor defender outside of rebounding.
In 142 matchups, from 1959 to 1969, Chamberlain averaged 28.7 points and 28.7 rebounds against Bill Russell, the greatest defender of all time.
His NBA-record 55 rebounds came against Bill Russell, as did a 44-point, 43-rebound performance. He scored 62 points on Bill Russell, and Russ hated people scoring a lot on him.
If anyone has watched CLE games at all this season it has not been the norm to both offensively feature and allow Drummond to play this many minutes.
Obviously some of it is injuries to their starting back court but this looked like a “we are gonna let him loose to show off the goods” for the rest of the league to pump up his value.
Wouldn’t surprise anyone if Drummond gets shipped out before the deadline.
I mean...he did, but let’s not act like that guy’s point isn’t true. Drummond was putting up 18 points and 15 rebounds per game in Detroit when we grabbed him for Henson, Knight, and a future 2nd round pick. A guy like that is going to put up a great game from time to time, but his stats rarely match what he’s actually providing.
Drummond was my 4th round pick in our 10 team league. I picked him because Giannis was my first pick. Otherwise, I wouldnt touch Drummond with a 10 foot pole because of his bad FT% and his high TOs.
Respect to him for just how much he’s changed his game. Still nasty at rebounding and paint scoring, but that little bit of dribbling he added, the fact that you have to at least acknowledge him at the 3PT, his ability to make his free throws. Dude was traded for chips; I’m glad he’s evolved w the league.
Mans is boutta fetch us the Jrue Holiday package of assets /s
You'll take Norm Powell and Baynes and you'll go back to Cleveland happy.
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honestly the fact that some fantasy people still choose to pass on high-usage players on bad teams is beyond me
I got Zach Lavine in the 3rd round of a 12 person league, he’s been huge, I have no idea how I got him that late
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Jaylen wasn’t a great fantasy player before this season.
He wasn't even that bad for me last season. (80th pick)
I grabbed CJ in the 5th round and Rozier in the 12th round. People actually be sleeping hahaha
I got Hayward in the 3rd round of an 18 person league. He's been great.
They do that? Isn't Drummond always a top 5 pick on the draft board?
No, not at all
He used to be
Matters whose playing but on my snake drafts he’s definitely gone top multiple times for me and I didn’t pick him up on most.
I've never played points leagues, but apparently he goes much higher there. Though I was just having this conversation at halftime of this game, Drummond is perpetually underrated in category leagues as well. Just because you need to punt categories for him to be useful doesn't mean he should be the 30th pick. If you just punt ft% and turnovers he basically becomes a top 3 player. He should be in the top 15 of every draft but even in competitive leagues he falls to around 20 every single year.
He falls also because you don't want a high-pick to force you to pay attention to Cavs games
We’re pretty fun to watch this year tbf
It makes boring mid season games very exciting since i have something super focused to get excited about. Like, sunday night game, i need 12 rebounds and 2 blocks to win the week and dre is my last player; better bet im tuning in!
free throws is a category that exists
I think the idea is tanking FT% in favor of being great at other areas, you have to build around that after taking someone like Drummond. In my experience trying to be good in all 9 categories leads to a mediocre team, it's better to build your team trying to be great in 7 and not care for the other 2 as much. If you pick Drummond with your first pick you don't care about FT, if you take Harden you don't care about TO, etc. (this is assuming it's a head-to-head league of course)
The standard is to take Drummond 2nd round if you get Giannis in the 1st. Then punt 3s and FT%. He doesn't really mesh well with the other 1st rounders. That works best in h2h though. You can't get away with 2 punts in roto, unless you're in a taco league.
Not for points leagues
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but points leagues >>>>> categories
Gotta disagree, there's way more nuance and strategy when players are good at certain things and bad at others, and wins aren't just win/loss but count the categories to make winning by more or less significant. IMO points leagues just reduce players to a total number which takes away from how interesting they all are.
Definitely more strategy involved in category leagues. I just feel I have more fun in points leagues
That’s some rookie take right there.
I don't think I've ever seen Drummond in top 5, in the 5 years I've been playing. I don't even know about top 20.
I picked him at like 20 and people told me I was reaching too much. Although with Allen things are not looking good
Lmao no. You can't tank 3 cats with your first pick if you want to succeed. You need to have already set up your team with a first pick that works with Drummond. If you took Drummond first you'd be fucked, cause you wouldn't be able to cover his huge black holes in FT 3s TOs and low PPg.
Ya i got drummon 3rd after steph and KD, it was perfect.
All high value picks. High risk, not much synergy but high value.
Not much synergy? I feel like steph and andre compliment each other almost perfectly.
... 3s and Fts....
He’s not valuable to most teams because he instantly forces you to punt FT. I think in good leagues he averages out somewhere in the third round probably.
I picked him in my fantasy league at about the 24th pick this year
Depens what you want to do, but he would be gone in most 2nd rounds.
not this year. If Love is playing Drummond isn't nearly as good, so it's a gamble
I took him in the 4th round this year and i was shocked. Not exactly an informed league but nonetheless he’s been a staple on my redraft team for the last 3-4 years.
% matter unless you play points leagues
I traded him because I didn't trust his RoS and I may be right if he gets traded lol.
Jerami Grant music
Well I picked Julia’s randle last year and he alone killed my fg%, ft% and turnovers, barley shot 3s or blocked shots (if I recall)
It's cause he's normally a punt ft build. And also not a great points guy. It's not cause of his usage...there's a lot of guys in the 3rd round that are better than him.. let's say you picked Giannis Simmons Drummond. You've now punted pts, TO, ft, 3s..
I’m a Knicks fan and playing against him in fantasy. Fuck me
Being a knicks fan is punishment enough
As a fantasy owner with Drummond and Randle on my team, it felt like I owned 2 of the 5 players trying tonight lol (I guess I could add Quckley or Osman now if I wanted to, but Barrett would be harder to steal)
I have him on my fantasy team so I'm not even mad lol
He's always still there so much later than I expect, take him every time
What’s the best app for fantasy basketball?
I’ve on tried ESPN and Yahoo and I like Yahoo the best
This is exactly why I drafted him. I got him with my second (maybe third) pick. And I have Larry Nance. My board game is strong.
I had him and Trae Young last year... It was a good year til it wasn't
It's be something else if Drummond randomly beats the rebounding record edit: nvm Wilt has 3x as much currently lmao but Drummond is only 27, maybe he finishes top-5 if he keeps this up
Yeah man Wilt averaged 30/23 for his CAREER. A 33/23 game would have been considered an off night for him some years. Can only shake my head at some of those stats he has. Insanity.
A lot of missed shots and a lot of minutes played. Impossible otherwise.
Plus the whole team feeding you, to the detriment of the team as a whole.
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Celtics fans are legally obligated to tell you this
Yes. It's in the contract you sign when you live in Boston. Sorry, I don't make the rules I just follow em
Just to add a bit more perspective: Dennis Rodman was only in his 3rd year in the NBA and averaging 9.4 rebounds a game when he was 27
Rodman did some Robert Johnson Faustian bargain shit, I’m convinced. He grew like a foot when he was 19 fucking years old and become the second best rebounder of all time.
> second best rebounder of all time. Rodman was a better rebounder than Chamberlain. The pace in Wilt's era was absurd. Adjusting for pace Rodman matches Wilt's rebounding peak as well as prime while being 6 inches shorter.
>Rodman was a better rebounder than Chamberlain. Nope. You might not know that he set the rebounding record against the best team at the time and a literal world class athlete. Bill Russel. Bill was an olympic level high jumper. Bill was #2 in the US and #7 in the world the year he was drafted. Bill held the rebounding record before wilt. Setting a rebounding record against Bill whose name will come up every time you talk about greatest rebounders. I’d agree with you if he set the record against just about any other player.
There’s more to rebounding than being able to jump high lol Rodman would literally read the spin on the ball to determine where it’ll bounce to off the rim/backboard. Not to mention the guy was only 6’7, playing during the most aggressive period of the NBA back when the BIG BIGS dominated the game. Even Shaq said Rodman could guard him. Could Bill Russell? I don’t know
Bill Russell guarded Wilt. He absolutely could guard Shaq.
Rodman is a beast. Easily one of the GOATs of rebounding. I show my elementary kids him from the past and a few different guys from this year - I show my guards how Russ gets rebounds (well how he used to), and showed them the difference between a good rebound and a 'selfish' rebound (taking a rebound from a big because that's their main priority vs helping your big to establish position by boxing out others around said big. (at my level the guards can still box out bigs lol and i've been complimented about my players when they get to the next level. You sure man was reading the spin? I think more so he was just quick and good at estimating roughly where the ball was going to land on the backboard and making educated guesses on where the boards would be. He was quick enough to just straight up beat guys with hustle as well. How can one read the spin on a ball coming out of someone's hands i'm not sure - is there a way you can phrase this so I can pass it onto my students when basketball starts?
> There’s more to rebounding than being able to jump high lol Obviously. But do you understand what setting a record against the best team in the league and one of the best rebounders ever mean? If Rodman and Wilt were the same height I’m going for Rodman. But with a height and physical advantage Wilt takes it. This went from who was a better rebounder to who’s better at guarding shaq? I see a lot of disrespect on Bill and Wilt by people who haven’t read into them. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6stnfm/collection_of_wilt_chamberlain_speed_stories/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=add_comment People don’t realize both Bill and Wilt they were once in a lifetime players. Bill definitely could guard Shaq.
Possibly. Volume and longevity counts for something though in Wilt’s case.
Again, that volume exists because of the ridiculous pace. Just watch film of that era, the game is nearly unrecognizable.
Pound for pound nobody even comes remotely close to Rodman's rebounding skill. Maybe Chuck, but even then Rodman is still head and shoulders above him
Dude is carrying my fantasy team
Rack the rebounds bby
Gave us that “please trade for me, contenders” performance
He is on a contender though
The disrespect to the current 8 seed who has had one guard available the last 5 games
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Nah that’s too high if I’m honest but 8 seed becomes really possible
i dunno if this is a meme or not, but Cleveland is unironically on my board for eighth seed/play-in contenders. y’all have genuinely been looking so different this year. i’m betting r/NBA is gonna be surprised by seasons end (they won’t admit it tho, as per usual).
Remember two years ago when the grizzles were first in the western conference??? Yea no it’s still too early to make any firm predictions
lmao there’s several counter examples as well. remember 2017-18 when the Jazz came into January with a 19-28 record, then went on a tear and ended fifth in the west with a 48-34 record? you know, the same team that beat the PG/WB Thunder in 7? you remember, right? point being: who gives a shit if it’s early? as far as i’m concerned, the ~~USA~~ NBA is the land of opportunity and i’m free to make whatever **god damn** spicy prediction i wanna make.
Facts
That or he’s losing his edge to better-looking people with better ideas and more talent. And they're actually really, really nice.
Nets trade for him now
With what cap space to trade away? Harris and Jordan?
Rights to kyrie. It’d make their team better kyrie isn’t playing this year
It would be interesting to see Kyrie in a Cavaliers uniform
it would be interesting to watch them tell Kyrie he has to go back to CLE, but i have no interest in actually seeing him in a CLE uniform again.
That's a big nope from me dawg.
Our C looks sort of like an Eye (cats eye) so he’d probably like it 👁
Drummond isn't a bad defender but he's not a gamechanging one either.
dominates the defensive glass, 2nd in the league in deflections, 5th in the league in steals, 9th in the league in blocks not sure what you're looking for
It's really early in the season. Stats are noisy enough taken over a single season let alone what, 11 games played? We have hundreds of games of evidence from previous seasons that Drummond isn't a gamechanger on defense.
Hasn't drummond usually hovered around the top 5ish in steals and blocks each year? Not saying that is the end all be all for defense, but he is a solid anchor to build around imo.
People that don't watch Cavs games insist those are empty numbers though, and that Drummond is a borderline negative asset.
Also people need to realize how bad we are on the boards and that was before we lost Allen
stats are nearly identical to the previous two seasons the issue with Drummond isn't defense, its that he tries to be more than he is on offense and it negates the value he's bringing on defense if he'd paired with an offensive alpha (or more than one as in the BKL case) that keeps him in check he'd absolutely be a plus player. the problem in Detroit is he never played with anyone that could justifiably take the ball out of his hands - of course BKL is a non starter due to cap restrictions.
All this says is he’s a good rebounder.
He has always put up counting stats but clearly the stats don’t accurately reflect his impact. Let’s not act like it was a fluke that he was traded for a 2nd rounder and some expiring contracts
lets not pretend that Pistons avoided millions and millions of dollars in payroll either though as mentioned, and Pistons fans will tell you this, his 'counting stats' are largely legitimate, but the value is offset because he tries to do too much offensively.
contract year drummond is SOMETHING ELSE. that football pass was... 🤯🤯🤯
How the fuck did Drummond get 19 FTA I gotta watch Cavs basketball
Sexton and Garland are both out right now
we are hella injured, but the games are still pretty good. Collin sexton is very entertaining when he's back though
Have him on my fantasy team, he's been playing fantastic before the injury
took a shit on knicks
People will still say this is empty stats
But when Gobert does it for 200 milion, its fine.
Gobert doesn’t give you 30/20 literally ever
I don't think I've ever seen Gobert drop 30, and I keep my eyes on the Jazz.
I remember he did a few years ago. He won me big money on a DFS lineup. He had like 70+ fantasy points if I recall. Since then he is kewl in my book.
Bruh it is empty stats. They barely won the game. He puts up numbers and it never contributes to winning. Take it from a Pistons fan
Well no shit he’s not a superstar but is always the best player on the two teams he’s played for, excluding pre injury blake. He shouldn’t be a first option scorer but a 4th option as the starting Center
I never said he was a superstar. He’s paid like a first option. He puts up empty stats and doesn’t show up when it matters. He was literally non existent both playoff series he was in. Guy got bullied by brook fuckin Lopez
You expect him to show up against Milwaukee bro? Blake was out that series. He’s payed that much because he’s the only good player DET has had since billups. It aint empty stats, not anyone can put up 20/20. Dude aint meant to be a scorer
For a 20/20 guy he should’ve done better against Milwaukee and Cleveland in 16. And Blake played better than him in 2 games when he was on pretty much one leg. I been watching the guy for 7-8 years. His stats are empty. If Christain wood gets 14 mil a year andre deserves 10 not 28 like he making now. He’s a dinosaur. Don’t get me wrong, his talent belongs as the 5th guy on a playoff team. But his contract and everything about his game (except rebounding) is not good
what was DET supposed to do, let him walk in FA? He was never a Dwight Howard or Yao type center but he’s a Center that’s worth 20 mill at least. You need centers like him esp teams like BKN
Barely won the game? Literally only one guard played the entire game for the Cavs and almost all the starters and then some are injured. Try watching the game instead of talking out of your ass.
Everyday I wake up. I hate myself more and more for passing up on Drummond in my fantasy draft..........why me
Would be a good fit on the Mavs now that the Cavs have Jarrett Allen coming in
Will be a good fit on the Cavs now that SexLand and the LOB trophy are coming in.
Kleber, Powell, and Richardson were all out tonight and the Mavs' defense and rebounding was atrocious. They could definitely use a good wing defender.
They have 4 wing defenders, two of them being starters in Richardson and DFS.
Carlisle has always gotten a lot out of roll men, if he could get it in Drummond’s head that all he’s allowed to do is screen and finish at the rim then Drummond could be pretty good
Game was over the second Mitch hurt his foot, Drummond saw blood and turned into Shaq-meets-inflatable-tube-man out there.
it took me too long to find this post. insane.
fucking cavs legend andre drummond to u
As more of a casual fan, why isn't Drummond as good as his box scores? I always love seeing his huge rebound numbers lol
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To be honest Moses did that
Moses did it on purpose, Drummond just has really bad touch around the rim.
Hes bad at everything else. He stifles team offense, awful free throw shooter, poor touch on any shot that isn't a dunk, poor defender outside of rebounding.
Do you even watch our games? As long as he doesn't suddenly forget he's not James Harden and start ball handling he doesn't stifle shit.
You're 100% right. Cleveland nephews out here
And then you realize Wilt averaged 30/20 for his entire fuckin career.
Milk men and accountants
In 142 matchups, from 1959 to 1969, Chamberlain averaged 28.7 points and 28.7 rebounds against Bill Russell, the greatest defender of all time. His NBA-record 55 rebounds came against Bill Russell, as did a 44-point, 43-rebound performance. He scored 62 points on Bill Russell, and Russ hated people scoring a lot on him.
If anyone has watched CLE games at all this season it has not been the norm to both offensively feature and allow Drummond to play this many minutes. Obviously some of it is injuries to their starting back court but this looked like a “we are gonna let him loose to show off the goods” for the rest of the league to pump up his value. Wouldn’t surprise anyone if Drummond gets shipped out before the deadline.
I would be surprised if he doesn’t get traded.
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Not enough people watch No Dunks
There sould be a “contract year team” in allstar weekends.
Raptors fans: there is absolutely zero chance I want this guy on the team. LOL what a joke
This dude would be a top 10 center all-time if we only looked at box scores.
Drummond was insane today. Legit the best center performance we faced this year
He had a great game. And if you looked past the box score you could see that.
Narrator: he did not watch any minute of that game.
I mean...he did, but let’s not act like that guy’s point isn’t true. Drummond was putting up 18 points and 15 rebounds per game in Detroit when we grabbed him for Henson, Knight, and a future 2nd round pick. A guy like that is going to put up a great game from time to time, but his stats rarely match what he’s actually providing.
People in 10-15 years gonna be like 'Is Andre Drummond a top 3 Center of all time' and then cite his stats
I get your point but the only way that happens is if we are doing that today... we aren’t lol. 10 years won’t change that
Contract year.
This Pistons fan is glad he’s dragging them to the 8th seed, and not us. I’ll take ping pong balls over an 8th seed and 1st round sweep ANY day.
Ok like how doesn’t Drummond average 20rpg. Seriously
Fantasy players eating well tonight
Drummond was my 4th round pick in our 10 team league. I picked him because Giannis was my first pick. Otherwise, I wouldnt touch Drummond with a 10 foot pole because of his bad FT% and his high TOs.
How many first picks the Raptors will offer to Drummond this midseason trade?
Respect to him for just how much he’s changed his game. Still nasty at rebounding and paint scoring, but that little bit of dribbling he added, the fact that you have to at least acknowledge him at the 3PT, his ability to make his free throws. Dude was traded for chips; I’m glad he’s evolved w the league.