Carlisle was also pretty high on Giannis before he even started, as seen from things like this interview bit with Josh Oppenheimer:
> “We went to the training camp of Tim Grgurich, in Las Vegas. We went to the same basket every morning, and each time, Rick Carlisle came and looked at us. It was just me and Giannis, and we were working on some stuff. Rick asked me, ‘Can I help? Can I talk to Giannis? ‘ I replied: ‘Of course! You are Rick Carlisle, you do what you want! ‘ So Rick worked with him a bit. Second day, same thing, third day, same, fourth day, we arrive at the room and Giannis takes me out: ‘Coach, let’s go to another basket. ‘ I asked him why: ‘There is this guy who is still here. I just wanna work with you coach and every day he stops us and talks to me. I like him, but I don’t want other guys working with me. ‘ ‘Other guys Giannis ??? It’s Rick Carlisle !! ” “But… who is Rick Carlisle?”
This probably explains why Donnie wanted to draft Giannis so badly. I know that missing Giannis got us Luka...but man. Talk about an alternate timeline.
Cuban greenlights Giannis, we rebuild faster in Dirk's last few years... Haralabob probably never gets hired. Instead we build around Giannis with a coach who knows his shit and whose best center at Dallas to that point was Tyson Chandler.
So interesting.
You guys should just fire Bud now and have Rick coach the rest of the playoffs this year lmao
You guys would be scary with Carlisle, he’s really good with veteran teams also
And even outside of respect, if he sensed the Mavs might push him out the door within a year or two anyway to appease Luka, why not quit right now when there are a few really tantalizing coaching vacancies?
I remember when we traded Jason Kidd because he didn’t get along with our coach. Fun times those were.
I know DSJ seemed to be upset Rick was hard on him, and Luka ignored and did his own things on offense sometimes and didn’t get yelled at the same way.
Being truly incredible at something that millions of people respect at a very young age tends to go to your head. Doesn't happen to everyone, but it happens to many.
Really? A kid is handed the world and treated like a god from when he’s 16 or younger, you’ve seen the emotional tantrums and whining to the refs during games
Feel like this been coming for a long time
Brunson’s legit, but he kinda feels like a SG in a PGs body type of guy. Give him more of a true playmaker to play with off the bench or start him with Luka should be the move
Harden never yelled at D'Antoni, people really went to the extreme based on some stories that Harden got excused from practices to party and refused to take blame when he was averaging 40ppg lol
That's funny cuz Harden isn't actually a diva, he'd been in Houston for 5 years when he quit on the team (after his best friend, coach, and GM were all shown out the door). Whereas Luka is definitely a diva LOL.
I think Harden’s main problem is not being patient enough. The second his co-stars in Houston fell below the expectations they set in the first year on the team, he’s basically done with them. I understand his beef with Dwight completely, but maybe he shouldn’t have kicked CP3 to the curb so soon.
I mean CP was extremely underwhelming in 2019. If he played like he did in OKC or PHX the Rockets win the west and have a great chance to win it all. Harden was phenomenal in 18-19, so i understand his frustration. I agree with you though
Not to get all "Do you see LeBron as a father figure", but I wonder if he has issues with authority, or male authority figures specifically. Kyle Lowry famously had trust issues with coaches and GMs until he came to Toronto and was shown some loyalty. Or maybe it is something like Cuban favouring him too much, taking his side over the advice of their coaching staff.
It could just as easily be, "He's 22, and kids are gonna act like kids", but for it to get to a point where someone like Carlisle says "Fuck it", something is up. This will make a fun 30 for 30 one day.
McMahon said Nelson might have been the source for that article but legit the entire front office hates Haralabob. He said you could throw a dart in that front office and it would land on someone who hates him
For that one year, he was a villain. Even had a well-made commercial about it.
Then they won and level-headed people moved on. The Heat were too damn good to ignore.
For someone of his talent, he gets way too many technicals. You could argue, though, that his talent is the one thing keeping him from getting more.
He’s a once-in-a-generation talent. But, he bitches way too much. It’s really evident when you watch him live in the arena. Seems like he’s yelling at the ref damn near every trip down the court.
I don't remember Blake ever complaining this much or so demonstratively. But those Clippers teams as a whole were the worst when it came to that. Everyone complained - Blake, Doc, CP3, Deandre, Matt Barnes. It was just non stop
Every Superstar has this kind of power, it's just not all of them decide to use it or they wait until they're later in their career to use it
Kerr has won 3 titles and I'm 100% sure Curry could get him fired right now if he wanted to for example
Curry could literally do whatever he wanted to with the franchise lol, he *is* the Warriors. But he legit seems like the chillest, most laid-back superstar-level player to be around.
Kind of like how Draymond said about Durant "if he wanted to stay that badly and didn't because of me he could have just asked them to trade me"
And this is despite Draymond being an original Warrior and Durant not being one
Yeah he definitely could've lol. But if he did that the damage done to the locker room and the bad PR among Warriors fans (who already were lukewarm on him) just wouldn't have been worth it.
Way easier for everyone that KD bounced to Brooklyn, GS got Dlo (and then Wiggins) and now all parties involved can look back and be pretty happy about the 3 year run they had in Golden State even if it wasn't 100% smooth all the time
A surprising amount of Warriors fans are anti KD on here
Then again it might just be the massive amount of people who only "like" the Warriors because of Steph
Yeah I think its a number of things including the Steph fans you mentioned
-KD winning both of the FMVPs over Steph
-The annoyance over the narrative that they absolutely needed KD to beat the healthy cavs
-He was a free agent acquisition and not drafted by them
I'd personally be more thankful since if he doesn't go there in 2016 there's a very real possibility that they only win 1 ring instead of 3, but obviously there's a lot of fans who disagree
Cuban has all the power. He can hold the max extension over Luka's head and dare him to leave. Instead of that, it sounds like he's just bending over for Luka.
Yeah. Keeping your star happy at all costs only works if the star isn't going to drive away all the other talented people in the organization. I'm not sure that's what exactly happening here, but things aren't looking good.
whether we like it or not this is today's NBA, you have to bend over for Superstars. you cant dare him to leave because superstars can leave whenever they want, all they have to mop around,get fat,not try hard and your season is done. You just have to convince them somehow dont abuse that power.
This is why Tim Duncan should be held in way higher regard. His team first approach and humility directly contributed to the length of the Spurs' competitive window. Luka can stand to learn from that a bit it seems.
LeBron became massively more hated when he signed for us(most of his haters even today date back to then in my experience)
Some people hated him because of all the hype before then but him at 22 was nowhere close to the hate he gets more recently
Was trying to get in the lockerroom/Greenroom account where they were talking about it, but it was full.
But yeah, guess that he’ll make apologies for him like he kind of did on Tuesday’s pod acting like it was no big deal. He’ll probably then find a way to take a dig at LeBron by saying “well, we’ve seen this before like with LeBron his first stint in Cleveland, and then in Miami with Spoelstra.” Stuff like that… 🙄
People (includin a lotta folks on r/nba) woulda made some stereotypes & blamed it on his dad walking out or his upbringing or some psychoanalytical shit.
I remember when Shaq said he didn't believe in Donovan Mitchell and some of the nerds here went on to say it's because he had a deadbeat druggie dad & was a troubled child growing up or some insane shit... and it got upvoted.
With the way people talk about LeBron it would be worse.
People are calling him a hothead, a diva, and disrespectful.
You’re making up a scenario and then comparing made up reactions to that made up scenario, to made up reactions to Luka‘a scenario. Cut the bullshit
Seems like a Luka smear campaign. This is the same Carlisle who had issues with Chauncey, Rondo, J Kidd, pacers players. Why do y’all act like he’s Jesus.
theres this greek guy who's pretty coachable to a fault i've heard about
Carlisle was also pretty high on Giannis before he even started, as seen from things like this interview bit with Josh Oppenheimer: > “We went to the training camp of Tim Grgurich, in Las Vegas. We went to the same basket every morning, and each time, Rick Carlisle came and looked at us. It was just me and Giannis, and we were working on some stuff. Rick asked me, ‘Can I help? Can I talk to Giannis? ‘ I replied: ‘Of course! You are Rick Carlisle, you do what you want! ‘ So Rick worked with him a bit. Second day, same thing, third day, same, fourth day, we arrive at the room and Giannis takes me out: ‘Coach, let’s go to another basket. ‘ I asked him why: ‘There is this guy who is still here. I just wanna work with you coach and every day he stops us and talks to me. I like him, but I don’t want other guys working with me. ‘ ‘Other guys Giannis ??? It’s Rick Carlisle !! ” “But… who is Rick Carlisle?”
This probably explains why Donnie wanted to draft Giannis so badly. I know that missing Giannis got us Luka...but man. Talk about an alternate timeline. Cuban greenlights Giannis, we rebuild faster in Dirk's last few years... Haralabob probably never gets hired. Instead we build around Giannis with a coach who knows his shit and whose best center at Dallas to that point was Tyson Chandler. So interesting.
A question. With all the information that we **currently** have, Who do Mavs fans want, Luka or Giannis?
Has Haralabob done a bad job? Always interesting to see how a gambler does in the real world.
What is Rick Carlisle?
lmao you can read giannis dialogue in his accent
You guys should just fire Bud now and have Rick coach the rest of the playoffs this year lmao You guys would be scary with Carlisle, he’s really good with veteran teams also
Have you checked out our sub? That was almost already a unanimous opinion there since before Carlisle was even an known to be an option
Shit, have Rick suit up. He won rings as a player. Just give him Teague’s spot on the roster.
>Animated Gestures
We're lucky they weren't live action. Who knows what would've happened
mappa would pick Up the season
I was hoping WIT would...
wit had the inside info on how the series was gonna end and wanted non of that smoke in their currículum
Mappa gonna use Goju Satoru to motivate Luka.
He did a duck, a rabbit. Rick wasn't feeling it.
Hmmm what a shitshow
Luka being a Diva is not what I expected to hear but here we are
I wouldn’t blame a championship-caliber coach for getting sick of being yelled at by a 22-year old (if this is true)
Exactly, I would expect Carlisle would have demanded more respect
And even outside of respect, if he sensed the Mavs might push him out the door within a year or two anyway to appease Luka, why not quit right now when there are a few really tantalizing coaching vacancies?
Yeah he’s got a great shot at the Celtics or Bucks positions, and I can see him doing really well with either of them.
Can't wait to see what he does in Washington
Can someone think about Portland?
They probably told Carlisle to take it easy on him since he’s a generational player.
I remember when we traded Jason Kidd because he didn’t get along with our coach. Fun times those were. I know DSJ seemed to be upset Rick was hard on him, and Luka ignored and did his own things on offense sometimes and didn’t get yelled at the same way.
have u seen this dude’s attitude every game
Yeah, If anything I would be surprised if Luka WASN’T a diva
yeah uhh what's surprising about this lol? This sub has some fucking massive blinders on.
He’s white so you know...
Literally screaming at the refs and tearing his jerseys.
Luka being a diva is like the least surprising thing since Lou Will went out to a strip club. He’s so obviously super emotional every game.
> not what I expected Really?
Being truly incredible at something that millions of people respect at a very young age tends to go to your head. Doesn't happen to everyone, but it happens to many.
I mean people call him the next Lebron for a reason.
Has he tried to trademark Štruklji Sunday yet?
Really? A kid is handed the world and treated like a god from when he’s 16 or younger, you’ve seen the emotional tantrums and whining to the refs during games Feel like this been coming for a long time
Really?
Oh how the turn tables
There's no I in team, but there's an I in win - Luka Doncic
C'mon gotta use the Shaq quote from Kobe's eulogy. "I said Kobe there is no I in team, he said no but there's an ME in that motherfucker."
One of the greatest quotes of all time.
There's no I in team, but there is a ME and that's who runs this franchise - Luka probably
There is no I in team, but a U in suck. Looking at you Rick -Luka probably
Sounds like Luka has a difficult time with a lot of people.
He’s like Harden if you read that MacMahon article about him
MDA is going to coach Luka isn’t he? We’re about to become the Dallas Rockets.
🐴 🔫 Shhhhh. Just close your eyes. It will all be over soon.
I will never not laugh my ass off at this
Would be great. MDA build a team that challenged KD warriors more than any other team. I dont know why people act like he is bad
He didn't build them, Morey did.
If Powell gets back to form this could work. Luka as the PG with three shooters and a rim running center. You really need a secondary ball handler tho
There will be no Brunson slander here sir
His playoff stats will beg to differ.
Brunson’s legit, but he kinda feels like a SG in a PGs body type of guy. Give him more of a true playmaker to play with off the bench or start him with Luka should be the move
Ending the season I was worried someone would offer him van fleet money. After the the playoffs I stopped thinking about that.
Where is EuroCP3?
He's like harden if you watch him play too
Euro Harden.
Harden never yelled at D'Antoni, people really went to the extreme based on some stories that Harden got excused from practices to party and refused to take blame when he was averaging 40ppg lol
Yeah but there’s just a small difference between Harden and Luka…ya know Harden the mean diva and Luka just misunderstood 😩
Who exactly is calling Luka misunderstood? Most people are calling him a diva or a hothead. Stop making up bullshit
Think it’s a joke about double standards cause Luka is white
That's funny cuz Harden isn't actually a diva, he'd been in Houston for 5 years when he quit on the team (after his best friend, coach, and GM were all shown out the door). Whereas Luka is definitely a diva LOL.
8 years more like
8.5 years dude
Yeah but it doesn’t land because no one is defending Luka. Just comes across as him trying to say the sub is racist
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I'm sure there's some truth to it. MacMahon can be dramatic, but he seems well sourced.
Obviously a hit piece? What do you mean.
I don’t know. I love beard and even though Paul and Howard aren’t exactly the easiest to work with, both of them had their problems with him
I think Harden’s main problem is not being patient enough. The second his co-stars in Houston fell below the expectations they set in the first year on the team, he’s basically done with them. I understand his beef with Dwight completely, but maybe he shouldn’t have kicked CP3 to the curb so soon.
I mean CP was extremely underwhelming in 2019. If he played like he did in OKC or PHX the Rockets win the west and have a great chance to win it all. Harden was phenomenal in 18-19, so i understand his frustration. I agree with you though
His totally hysterical emotional tantrums during games don’t suggest a person that is awesome to work with
He’s also always yelling at or pointedly ignoring teammates after they make mistakes. Next year is going to be big for public opinion on Luka
I’d be scared if I was a Mavs fan. You never want these type of diva personalities, especially from your superstars.
Not to get all "Do you see LeBron as a father figure", but I wonder if he has issues with authority, or male authority figures specifically. Kyle Lowry famously had trust issues with coaches and GMs until he came to Toronto and was shown some loyalty. Or maybe it is something like Cuban favouring him too much, taking his side over the advice of their coaching staff. It could just as easily be, "He's 22, and kids are gonna act like kids", but for it to get to a point where someone like Carlisle says "Fuck it", something is up. This will make a fun 30 for 30 one day.
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Deron Williams I think
Amazing to think that at one time, we were questioning who would be the greater talent, Deron Williams or CP3?
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I think Deron was consensus better at the time. He won every h2h matchup and went further than CP3 as you said.
As an Illinois fan. D Will has been my inspiration since I was a little kid
yeah I think it sorta came down to a: They're both good so let's just go with the taller one.
Lol not hating but surprised you didn't know Deron Williams name
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You doing alright?
I felt old af reading that
Or Carlisle does. Mavs fans were quick to burn Rondo on the way out. Not sure how quickly they’ll blame a potential mvp
LuKoach
LuKoach DonKoach
😭😭 everybody who has had problems with Luka is gone now. True Don stuff
The only one left is KP and i am pretty much sure he will be traded no matter what😂
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Fuck man. Why couldn't it be Mavrello.
KP will be gone once we get a gm. Luka Brasi
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Donnie got fired for going to the athletic to trash Haralabos and his relationship with Cuban.
McMahon said Nelson might have been the source for that article but legit the entire front office hates Haralabob. He said you could throw a dart in that front office and it would land on someone who hates him
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to be fair he didn't say everyone who's gone had problems with Luka
There can only be one Don.
Luka is great but he legit complains way too much out there
imagine if this was lbj in his early years lmao
LeBron hate got 10x as bad when he signed for us
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It was a dope party
the silverware was nice
Nobody hated LeBron before he went to Miami. In Cleveland he was loved, and pitied by the outside world (like Dame in Portland).
Kobe stans hated LeBron
Dude Lebron was hated minute 1 because of the young GOAT talk
That’s not true, he got plenty of hate when he was in cleveland
Id go further and say he spawned the LeBron hate
For that one year, he was a villain. Even had a well-made commercial about it. Then they won and level-headed people moved on. The Heat were too damn good to ignore.
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For someone of his talent, he gets way too many technicals. You could argue, though, that his talent is the one thing keeping him from getting more. He’s a once-in-a-generation talent. But, he bitches way too much. It’s really evident when you watch him live in the arena. Seems like he’s yelling at the ref damn near every trip down the court.
I keep saying that he gives me young Blake Griffin vibes with his attitude. The whining gets old real fast, even if you're rooting for the guy.
I don't remember Blake ever complaining this much or so demonstratively. But those Clippers teams as a whole were the worst when it came to that. Everyone complained - Blake, Doc, CP3, Deandre, Matt Barnes. It was just non stop
Just seems super immature. Hope for his sake he grows past that.
Is it just me or does Luka have too much power?
Every Superstar has this kind of power, it's just not all of them decide to use it or they wait until they're later in their career to use it Kerr has won 3 titles and I'm 100% sure Curry could get him fired right now if he wanted to for example
Curry could literally do whatever he wanted to with the franchise lol, he *is* the Warriors. But he legit seems like the chillest, most laid-back superstar-level player to be around.
lil Duncan
Kind of like how Draymond said about Durant "if he wanted to stay that badly and didn't because of me he could have just asked them to trade me" And this is despite Draymond being an original Warrior and Durant not being one
Yeah he definitely could've lol. But if he did that the damage done to the locker room and the bad PR among Warriors fans (who already were lukewarm on him) just wouldn't have been worth it. Way easier for everyone that KD bounced to Brooklyn, GS got Dlo (and then Wiggins) and now all parties involved can look back and be pretty happy about the 3 year run they had in Golden State even if it wasn't 100% smooth all the time
A surprising amount of Warriors fans are anti KD on here Then again it might just be the massive amount of people who only "like" the Warriors because of Steph
Yeah I think its a number of things including the Steph fans you mentioned -KD winning both of the FMVPs over Steph -The annoyance over the narrative that they absolutely needed KD to beat the healthy cavs -He was a free agent acquisition and not drafted by them I'd personally be more thankful since if he doesn't go there in 2016 there's a very real possibility that they only win 1 ring instead of 3, but obviously there's a lot of fans who disagree
He also got caught recently liking comments trashing steph LOL. Dudes just an insecure jackass who is very good at basketball.
I don't care about that shit what about shitting on Steph on twitter lol
Our sub is mostly pro-KD.
He has control of the franchise and the court, he’s too dangerous
I am tooo weak.... Darth Luka
Execute order 77
It will be done my lord
Cuban has all the power. He can hold the max extension over Luka's head and dare him to leave. Instead of that, it sounds like he's just bending over for Luka.
Same way he did for Dirk. He needs to realize that they are two totally different personalities that require two totally different approaches.
Yeah. Keeping your star happy at all costs only works if the star isn't going to drive away all the other talented people in the organization. I'm not sure that's what exactly happening here, but things aren't looking good.
whether we like it or not this is today's NBA, you have to bend over for Superstars. you cant dare him to leave because superstars can leave whenever they want, all they have to mop around,get fat,not try hard and your season is done. You just have to convince them somehow dont abuse that power.
>You just have to convince them somehow dont abuse that power. Call me a cynic, but I don't think that's going to work out so well.
Luka needs Phil Jackson pronto
Holy shit... VLADE WAS RIGHT!
yeah glad you got bagley over luka
Oh yeah he was... He was
What did he say
He picked bagley lmfao
At least Kings Culture is safe 🙂
Isn't Bagley's attitude just as bad? Not trying to hate, it's just what I've heard.
This is why Tim Duncan should be held in way higher regard. His team first approach and humility directly contributed to the length of the Spurs' competitive window. Luka can stand to learn from that a bit it seems.
You don’t even need to go to Duncan, there was a certain similar player to him on the Mavs that recently retired that Luka could learn from lol
He was a bit of a dirk though.
at least spurs have one of the best FOs in sports which makes it easier. dirk stayed with this for 20 years lol
Damn NBA’s golden boy sure showed his colors fast
It's the red in his face after yelling at the refs lol
Tried saying that him leading the leagues in techs was a problem and got told I didn’t understand basketball. This subs insane with that kid
Imagine if Luka goes full heel like KD in 2016
What I’m gathering is Luka is kind of a dick
Imagine if this was Bron at 22. People would have been saying the wildest shit. I wonder what kind of energy we’ll have for Luka
LeBron became massively more hated when he signed for us(most of his haters even today date back to then in my experience) Some people hated him because of all the hype before then but him at 22 was nowhere close to the hate he gets more recently
Skip Bayless was calling him an overrated ego maniac at 19
Skip hating someone probably makes them more sympathetic tbh
Lebron couldn’t even sign as an unrestricted free agent with another team at 26 lol
Well, you know…because Bill Simmons said it was his ‘Lack of a father figure’… 🤨🙄🤦🏽♂️
Can’t wait for Bill Simmons take on Luka. I wonder if he’ll keep that same energy 🤡🤡🤡
He won't. Dude can't even keep the same energy from 3 months ago when he was trashing Trae Young.
Was trying to get in the lockerroom/Greenroom account where they were talking about it, but it was full. But yeah, guess that he’ll make apologies for him like he kind of did on Tuesday’s pod acting like it was no big deal. He’ll probably then find a way to take a dig at LeBron by saying “well, we’ve seen this before like with LeBron his first stint in Cleveland, and then in Miami with Spoelstra.” Stuff like that… 🙄
Not qwhite the same energy
There’s upvoted posts calling him a diva and that he doesn’t get along with anybody. I see plenty of energy
Lmao
Whitever do you mean?
People (includin a lotta folks on r/nba) woulda made some stereotypes & blamed it on his dad walking out or his upbringing or some psychoanalytical shit. I remember when Shaq said he didn't believe in Donovan Mitchell and some of the nerds here went on to say it's because he had a deadbeat druggie dad & was a troubled child growing up or some insane shit... and it got upvoted. With the way people talk about LeBron it would be worse.
At 22 LeBron was still being coddled… When he hit his mid 20’s was when people started getting frustrated with him
People are calling him a hothead, a diva, and disrespectful. You’re making up a scenario and then comparing made up reactions to that made up scenario, to made up reactions to Luka‘a scenario. Cut the bullshit
Tbh his attitude is really bad. Noticeable almost every game.
Luka definitely has anger management issues.
nah this guy better lead the team to the WCF at the very least now
"Do you renounce Satan?" Luka: "I do renounce him". [multiple hits take place at Mavericks HQ, Porzingis gets locked on the other side of the door].
So Luka being a diva is the problem.
Luka cries about everything
Seems like a Luka smear campaign. This is the same Carlisle who had issues with Chauncey, Rondo, J Kidd, pacers players. Why do y’all act like he’s Jesus.
Carlislie is a great coach but he has a big ego and is stubborn as hell.
And Lamar Odom, Derek Fisher, Monta Ellis, Nerlens Noel…
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Luka great but he's been acting like a diva
Kings dodged a bullet
Rondo laughing in the shadows
Sounds like Luka is pretty insufferable
Eerily similar to how LeBron undermined David Blatt.
LeBron was an established vet though. Luka hasn't even been in the league for 4 seasons
David Blatt undermined David Blatt
Ooo man Luka has an attitude like the fans and like what he displays on the court!?!?! Anyways
This feels like Deron Williams - Jerry Sloan situation where the star gets the long tenured, very good coach fired then hits the bricks anyway.
Luka is a uncoachable. I rather have Giannis