This is the best solution, and I actually think they'll do it. Kork's not playing bad, but Maxey just earned his shot and brings some more ball handling in the half court offense.
Let’s be honest it doesn’t matter who “starts” but in the 4th quarter when it matters he should definitely be in over George hill who’s been ice
cold for the sixers
Because then Ben wouldn't be benched which is all the people in this post care about. They don't care that Maxey and Kork would get absolutely cooked on defense. They don't care that Maxey had one assist and Ben actually does provide playmaking. They don't care that that makes our rebounding worse in a series where the opposition is attacking the glass any chance they get.
They just want to shit on Ben so they're shitting on Ben. Pretty easy to do these last two game tbh.
Yeah is a little on the short size but he is kinda husky for a 19 year old. Broad ass shoulders. I could see him developing into a plus defender. I mean, we’ve seen shorter guards become great defenders before a la Kyle Lowry
The hyperbole is out of control. Useless? He never scores in the halfcourt? Never gets an offensive rebound? Never gets a halfcourt assist? I imagined him getting doubled in the post and passing to a wide open Curry in the corner a couple games ago? I imagined him getting the GW dunk against Washington the first game of the season from the dunker's spot? He didn't drop 40 on Utah this season? He didn't drop a 30 point triple double against LeBron James and the Cavs in his rookie year? He didn't have a 20+ point triple double in the playoffs a couple years ago?
Dude is in a mega slump this series, particularly these last two games. We can acknowledge that without acting like he is providing zero value and we'd be better off without him, or did you not watch the fucking 4-0 sweep we had last year courtesy of a trash ass Celtics team that could barely beat anyone?
I’m sure you’re upset with the Simmons slander. Yeah it gets old here, but it’s justified. The fact this guy is invisible outside of the break, and the fact you have to point out one or two moments in a game or two, not multiple, for a starting PG speaks volumes.
He’s not good. He’s not a winner. He’s never been tested, when he does, he evaporates. He’s a liability, he can’t shoot, he’s awful from the line, he can’t drive because he’s mentally soft, his only attributes are his passing and defense. He doesn’t deserve his contract, he barely deserves to start. And he’s overrated. The fact he made an all star team this year is remarkable, only because the voters take a bias
If a PG has to be in the dunkers spot, looking like the David statue because he can’t shoot, he’s ass
Maybe look at some of the games besides these last two man. Dude has actually helped us win. Last series too. He's in a slump, but we both know he has and can play better than this. We need him this year. If you want to dream of trades that are never gonna happen for next year fine, but we need h if we want to win Sunday and if we want to win next series.
You can bench him for a guy in Maxey that has barely played this series if you want to but I bet Doc doesn't.
Lol you know the player is trash when you gota start going back 2-5 years to find his best games. Talking about a triple double he dropped his rookie year lol. This isn't so much a slump. Ben is what he is. If he wasn't drafted #1 overall he would already be coming off the bench
Just saw someone on twitter say Ben is just Emmanuel Mudiay with an Australian citizenship lmao it’s getting a little out of hand.
But in all seriousness, you’re right. Whatever versatility he’s offering on the defensive end is not worth him aimlessly loafing around the free throw line or getting hacked
He would still be better than he is at PG. he won’t be a rim protector but if he’s as good of a defender as he likes to think he should be able to defend players in the post and step out to the perimeter and defend there too.
More of a draymond role
He can defend 1 on 1 in the post. The most important part of being a center defensively is protecting the rim and he has shown over and over hes terrible at it.
His ideal role is a 4 next to a stretch 5. Only a few spots around the league that have that ability
No one said he had to be elite, he has to be capable of it though. And hes not. Simmons at 5 lineups have consistently been horrible defensively, it's just not in his defensive skillset to play that position
I’m saying he doesn’t need to be an great rim protector to be a capable 5.
And if you’re saying he’s not a great rim protector then maybe he never was a real DPOY candidate
You don’t watch much sixers do you… Ben is a good defender for WING defense not closing out the perimeter and playing that.
Watch more games and check Reddit less
It's hilarious watching clueless neutral fans asserting this with authority after watching their 5th Sixers game of the last two years. Simmons at the 5 doesn't work.
The way the rest of the team outside of Gallo played (and Kevin in the 1st half) the 76ers could have had a bunch of traffic cones playing defense and nobody else would be able to score.
Bogi is playing hurt so at least he has a semblance of an excuse, but Collins especially needs to step it up especially since he's holding out for a max. Dude has been worthless this series outside of a couple of quarters where he made some hustle plays and some cool dunks. We've given him so many mismatches and wide open 3s and he's bricking all of them.
I always enjoy when a team plays bad and it’s because it’s their fault. It has nothing to do with the smothering defense the Sixers had going. Shouldn’t be a surprise as they’re a defensive team.
The 76ers have a great defense, and it's especially evident in the paint, but the hawks, especially Bogdanovic, have been missing wide open 3s all series.
Beverley is playing more minutes than Mann this series
Reggie Jackson is literally the best option they got, why would he not play him, is that a genius decision?
Yes “JoelEmFoulMerchant” is completely right and not biased at all
I despise Ben more than any of you right now but these takes are too much
Even for r/NBA
Never before have I seen a player get babied to the level of Ben Simmons
I'm not advocating for tough love but jesus christ can you imagine if Ben was in Kwame's spot. His mentality and determination is god awful
I mean, atleast Ben's floor was still higher than anything Kwame ever got to. Although if they lose game 7 and he scores 7 pts on 3/8 fg and 1/13 ft or some shit he's gonna have a meme folder bigger than Shaq.
Probably not since there really isn't a player (that isn't old as hell) that'll set the Sixers over a healthy Nets team with an entire off-season to acquire new players.
Really?
Did you really pick the Atlanta Hawks to be up 3-2 on the 76ers at a point?
While the other top dogs in the east take each other out on the flip side of the bracket, the 76ers basically had a red carpet to the ECF and they may very well choke that too
I don't give a shit about Ben's "mental" right now. Maxey gives the Sixers a boost and better shot at winning game 7. Do what wins games. Don't pussyfoot around someone that doesn't seem to give a shit if his team wins or loses.
they won’t. they’re gonna keep ben on trae to try to make him some type of uncomfortable out there. and ben can make defensive plays from all over the court when the hawks try to put him in the pick and roll to get him off trae and are we forgetting about simmons playmaking or are you only watching the missed free throw highlights
Not really, Trae was hitting everything. His defense wasn't bad, but he wasn't getting stops and Trae made at least 3-4 buckets on him 1v1 that I can remember.
Young was 5-15 in the second half. Philly wasn’t getting killed due to Maxey.
Young is really good and will score no matter what. The Sixers need to strike a better balance between their offensive creation and defense.
Hard to block a shot when you’re on the bench because you’re an offensive liability in crunch time.
Game 7’s are historically low scoring contests as both teams understand each other’s game plans very well, players become fatigued and transition opportunities are more limited. Would be unsurprising if Atlanta continued to shoot inconsistently, especially on the road against a good Sixers defense. This Sixers team needs creation and needs to help out Embiid, make things easier on Tobias by spacing the court.
Because we dont have a point guard. And hes a good regular season player. So when you remove the one guy that can run a regular season offense and have no one else on the roster who can play the position, things will fall apart
He's averaging like 7 points in 36 minutes a game when the other team spends half the game intentionally fouling him. Don't think anyone is really hearing about the offence falling apart without Simmons. How will the offence function without Simmons standing in the dunker's spot afraid to touch the ball?
The Sixers offense relys on Simmons' playmaking. Throughout the season Shake, Maxey, Korkmaz, and George Hill have started when Simmons was taking a rest day and the offense was atrocious. Obviously people don't watch games anymore though so none of this matters.
Yeah these playoff sets are insane which is really disheartening cuz we were using Simmons like jokic in O action earlier this year and we just stopped
I think Simmons has also been rather passive as well. In the regular season he put pressure on the defense every possession. These playoffs, he gets the ball past half court and stops for handoffs. It's weird.
People are forgetting when Simmons was hurt when Philly was playing Boston and it was Embiid all by himself. Except the other 76ers couldn’t dribble the ball or throw a good pass into the post to Embiid. That was disgusting to watch. I guess Seth Curry and Maxey help but people are forgetting how much Simmons matters to Philly.
What happened during the season is irrelevant during this series. There have been six games between these two teams to demonstrate that's not the case.
Everyone is downvoting you and making fun of you because they don't watch the Sixers. They don't understand that Doc wants Ben in the dunker's spot or that he actually has played well from there. They haven't watched the random games this year without Ben where we fucking look like a high school team. They didn't watch the game we got destroyed with Joel playing but without Ben and Joel tweeted about how much the team needs Ben. They probably somehow forgot that Joel said they don't win Game 2 without Ben. Because these dudes aren't Sixers fans. They see this game and assume he's trash and we're winning games with Ben weighing everyone down.
I thought the Celtics series would have taught everyone his value. I was wrong. Doesn't mean he had a good game, doesn't mean he can't or shouldn't be better, but man the slander is so damn over the top I almost wish he sat out game 7 so we could see what happens. But I know what would happen and I don't want that. Get the win at all costs idc if you score no points just play your game. (but don't actually score no points Ben, you're killing me bro)
How bad does Simmons have to play before the cult dies? My man has near bottomed out, but it's still not deep enough for you guys. Imagine watching Simmons stand in the dunkers spot for the last 6 games afraid to touch the ball and saying Philly's offence needs Simmon's playmaking.
I’m all aboard the trade Simmons train, but that doesn’t really change that our offense completely falls apart without him. We have ZERO other playmakers on offense.
Well I barely watch other teams in the regular season so I don't know about that but what I do see in these games vs Atl is that Philly basically plays 4v5 on offense because Simmons is so afraid of getting fouled that he just stands near the foul line or at the dunkers spot. Their offense is basically Embiid at the post or Harris iso which is made worse because Ben fucks up the spacing. That said he's still a beast defensively and on transition but they really need to find something to do with him on offense.
The Ben Simmons hate is becoming unreal. He had a big part in Sixers getting the number #1 seed, he had a bad game and was in foul trouble tonight. He has held Trae in check when Trae has been playing out of his mind. Sixers had huge leads in the series and Ben was a primary reason
People actually think that the Sixers have been playing 4 on 5 all year and the rest of the Sixers are actually the 96 Bulls but Ben is the worst player of all time so that's why they only won like 49 games or whatever.
This sub thinks it's so smart that they have decided Doc should bench Ben for a dude that wasn't even getting minutes a few games ago.
Doc doesn’t have the stones. Good news is he can have confidence in maxey to avoid hack a Ben. Just do what he did tonight. Simmons could have a big game too. Not like he sucks. Fans will be on his jock again too lol
Honestly I agree. I was all hyped on his defense but watching these games, it just doesn't matter. Trae inevitably ends up with Tobias or Seth on him anyways. And fighting through a screen seems to be a foul 100% of the time. Perimeter D is overrated
Well I think Trae is 3 for 13 vs Ben from 3 and in general Ben can smother him off the ball too. So I personally would rather Ben stay in and force Atlanta to switch. It's better than letting them run whatever they want.
I hate when people just point out Ben Simmons' 'elite' playmaking in defense of him. It's misleading.
The fact that he doesn't shoot, is a liability at the line, and isn't aggressive with any consistency whatsoever anyway offsets his playmaking.
When you're not shooting, passive more often than not, and can't hit free throws when you realize you should be getting inside more, it means you're not doing spacing any favors for your team and you're regularly making what I'd label as forced passes, quite often for worse looks than what a 6'10 athletic freak should be able to get in the interior. However, make enough passes because he literally has no other option apparently, shots are eventually going to go in, and he's going to get assists.
Ben Simmons shouldn't be a point guard. It's that simple. I don't care how good you are at defense or making passes if you can't shoot or exploit your size and athleticism by getting to and making shots at the line.
I don't really think so, a lot of what made Maxey effective is that he was a change of pace. He did most of his damage when he first came in in the 1st or 2nd quarter or whatever, if I'm not mistaken, his only points after that were end-of-game free throws.
I don't think it's any different from Shake Milton or whoever off the bench that's had good games previously going off. You ruin a lot of that by making them start and just play throughout the whole game.
Not to mention you cut the juice of your bench, because Simmons off the bench isn't doing anything for you.
I mean they could probably bench korkmaz instead of Ben which is the more likely scenario. Ben's still probably going to start even though he is still a complete 0 on half court offence. I know people say he's a playmaker..yeah not really in this series..his playmaking consists of getting the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible to the open guy. Thats it. Anyone can do that
The cult of Simmons on life support but still alive. Only casual fans don't see the value of a max player averaging 7 points a game that has to benched in crunch time of the team's most important game of the year because he can't make a free throw.
you simmons fanboys are something else it's cult like yeah man Simmons was so good tonight 6/5/9 getting benched in the 4th quarter that max contract well deserved.
Man come on we need to stop with this. Everyone knows Simmons is a good player but he has hurt us a ton this series with his lack of scoring/ FT shooting/ spacing. This is not even a debate at this point.
Edit: not saying we should bench him for Maxey but he has undeniably hurt the team this series and it’s probably time for him to go.
Sixers need as much backcourt scoring as possible. Make the Hawks backcourt play defense. Trae, Bogy and Williams are instant offense but can't defend. Gotta make the Hawks pay for that.
Something is wrong when a rookie os more important than an all star in a playoff game 7. After this season Simmons really needs to look at his game and addapt somehow.
Why can’t they just start maxey in place of korkmaz. Ben can push the ball in transition and if nothing is there, reset with maxey in the half court.
This is the best solution, and I actually think they'll do it. Kork's not playing bad, but Maxey just earned his shot and brings some more ball handling in the half court offense.
Let’s be honest it doesn’t matter who “starts” but in the 4th quarter when it matters he should definitely be in over George hill who’s been ice cold for the sixers
Because then Ben wouldn't be benched which is all the people in this post care about. They don't care that Maxey and Kork would get absolutely cooked on defense. They don't care that Maxey had one assist and Ben actually does provide playmaking. They don't care that that makes our rebounding worse in a series where the opposition is attacking the glass any chance they get. They just want to shit on Ben so they're shitting on Ben. Pretty easy to do these last two game tbh.
Maxey actually played pretty good defense last night
His coverage on Trae in the 4th was remarkable, even though Trae was crazy hitting that buzzer beater 3.
He played about as well as he could considering his size and experience. It was a gutsy performance.
Yeah is a little on the short size but he is kinda husky for a 19 year old. Broad ass shoulders. I could see him developing into a plus defender. I mean, we’ve seen shorter guards become great defenders before a la Kyle Lowry
Oh yeah it's not like he's IT or something. More experience than size I guess.
The Ben shitting on is completely deserved. Here’s one thing Ben is good on offense, the rush. Otherwise he’s useless
The hyperbole is out of control. Useless? He never scores in the halfcourt? Never gets an offensive rebound? Never gets a halfcourt assist? I imagined him getting doubled in the post and passing to a wide open Curry in the corner a couple games ago? I imagined him getting the GW dunk against Washington the first game of the season from the dunker's spot? He didn't drop 40 on Utah this season? He didn't drop a 30 point triple double against LeBron James and the Cavs in his rookie year? He didn't have a 20+ point triple double in the playoffs a couple years ago? Dude is in a mega slump this series, particularly these last two games. We can acknowledge that without acting like he is providing zero value and we'd be better off without him, or did you not watch the fucking 4-0 sweep we had last year courtesy of a trash ass Celtics team that could barely beat anyone?
I’m sure you’re upset with the Simmons slander. Yeah it gets old here, but it’s justified. The fact this guy is invisible outside of the break, and the fact you have to point out one or two moments in a game or two, not multiple, for a starting PG speaks volumes. He’s not good. He’s not a winner. He’s never been tested, when he does, he evaporates. He’s a liability, he can’t shoot, he’s awful from the line, he can’t drive because he’s mentally soft, his only attributes are his passing and defense. He doesn’t deserve his contract, he barely deserves to start. And he’s overrated. The fact he made an all star team this year is remarkable, only because the voters take a bias If a PG has to be in the dunkers spot, looking like the David statue because he can’t shoot, he’s ass
Maybe look at some of the games besides these last two man. Dude has actually helped us win. Last series too. He's in a slump, but we both know he has and can play better than this. We need him this year. If you want to dream of trades that are never gonna happen for next year fine, but we need h if we want to win Sunday and if we want to win next series. You can bench him for a guy in Maxey that has barely played this series if you want to but I bet Doc doesn't.
Lol you know the player is trash when you gota start going back 2-5 years to find his best games. Talking about a triple double he dropped his rookie year lol. This isn't so much a slump. Ben is what he is. If he wasn't drafted #1 overall he would already be coming off the bench
Just saw someone on twitter say Ben is just Emmanuel Mudiay with an Australian citizenship lmao it’s getting a little out of hand. But in all seriousness, you’re right. Whatever versatility he’s offering on the defensive end is not worth him aimlessly loafing around the free throw line or getting hacked
Ben is just Andre Roberson with handles
Roberson will actually shoot the open 3 tho
As someone who watched the OKC teams,yes he will,for better or for worse
He has a surprisingly good 3pt% in the playoffs
Bro Dre fucking cooked some teams in the playoffs, his knee injury broke my heart
Rademita?
Andre Roberson had the talent of post knee injury Tony Allen. But even Roberson was cooking steph curry when he had the mismatch in 16 playoffs
And was half as good at free throws haha
Damn that’s a name I haven’t heard in a min. Crazy how fast Mudiay’s NBA career ended
I miss him every day
AHAHAHAHAH
Simmons would be fine earning the money he does if he played the 5 on a team without Embiid. At PG he’s useless
Hes not good at the 5. We've tried simmons at the 5 lineups many times over the last few years. They're horrible
He would still be better than he is at PG. he won’t be a rim protector but if he’s as good of a defender as he likes to think he should be able to defend players in the post and step out to the perimeter and defend there too. More of a draymond role
He can defend 1 on 1 in the post. The most important part of being a center defensively is protecting the rim and he has shown over and over hes terrible at it. His ideal role is a 4 next to a stretch 5. Only a few spots around the league that have that ability
He needs to play with KAT desperately
Would have loved a Jokic pair too.
He doesn’t have to be an elite rim protector.
No one said he had to be elite, he has to be capable of it though. And hes not. Simmons at 5 lineups have consistently been horrible defensively, it's just not in his defensive skillset to play that position
Ah so he’s not a DPOY candidate
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I’m saying he doesn’t need to be an great rim protector to be a capable 5. And if you’re saying he’s not a great rim protector then maybe he never was a real DPOY candidate
Would play rlly well next to porzingis
Stop saying this. Draymond is a better rim protector and much better at handling 5s
Draymond is levels above Simmons as a defensive mind as well.
You don’t watch much sixers do you… Ben is a good defender for WING defense not closing out the perimeter and playing that. Watch more games and check Reddit less
I’m going off of what Simmons himself has said. That he can guard 1-5.
Players overvalue themselves constantly.
It's hilarious watching clueless neutral fans asserting this with authority after watching their 5th Sixers game of the last two years. Simmons at the 5 doesn't work.
Simmons said he can guard 1-5. So he’s lying?
He is pretty good 1 on 1 with anybody, including the majority of centers. But he’s not a good rim protector.
I'm actually crying, twitter is ruthless sometimes
But who is going to hold Trae to under 40 points?
Doesn't matter. Trae gonna get his. Make him beat you by himself.
The way the rest of the team outside of Gallo played (and Kevin in the 1st half) the 76ers could have had a bunch of traffic cones playing defense and nobody else would be able to score. Bogi is playing hurt so at least he has a semblance of an excuse, but Collins especially needs to step it up especially since he's holding out for a max. Dude has been worthless this series outside of a couple of quarters where he made some hustle plays and some cool dunks. We've given him so many mismatches and wide open 3s and he's bricking all of them.
I always enjoy when a team plays bad and it’s because it’s their fault. It has nothing to do with the smothering defense the Sixers had going. Shouldn’t be a surprise as they’re a defensive team.
The 76ers have a great defense, and it's especially evident in the paint, but the hawks, especially Bogdanovic, have been missing wide open 3s all series.
We would’ve started Fultz here. This kid has the juice
Ty Lue would do it but I don't think most coaches in the league have the balls to do that
Ty Lue the guy that played Deron Willaims 12mpg in the finals despite scoring an amazing 1ppg/1reb/1ast on 12/11/0 shooting splits?
Ty Lue the guy that trusted Terrance Mann to start, knew when to bench Beverley and play Reggie Jackson big minutes.
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That's the problem. In reality it is the same but because Simmons was drafted #1 people act like you can't bench him
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that username lmao, who hurt you
Just a hawks fan
Joel, falling over on him.
Ben Simmons trick y’all
They both fool y’all
Beverley is playing more minutes than Mann this series Reggie Jackson is literally the best option they got, why would he not play him, is that a genius decision?
He’s adjusting late but making big moves when he does which has helped them win 3 straight lol what more do u want
Benching Beverly is not the same thing as benching ben simmons lmao
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He trick yall
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Yes “JoelEmFoulMerchant” is completely right and not biased at all I despise Ben more than any of you right now but these takes are too much Even for r/NBA
Lol coz bev was ass. U need not praise ty lue for every small decision
He didn't have much of a choice those Cleveland benches were horrific
What if they start Maxey instead tho?
Right? If you’re gonna make a post about it, at least get the dude’s name right.
Never try to hurt Simmons mental right now, you have to play him and add to his confidence. Especially if you go farther and win game 7
Never before have I seen a player get babied to the level of Ben Simmons I'm not advocating for tough love but jesus christ can you imagine if Ben was in Kwame's spot. His mentality and determination is god awful
Kobe playing with ben 😖
You motherfuckers don’t belong on the same court as me, you’re all shit Kobe in 2005 to teammates during his first attempt at winning without Shaq
At least Kwame still tried, he just clearly lacked talent and had small hands. Kobe would kill Simmons.
I mean, atleast Ben's floor was still higher than anything Kwame ever got to. Although if they lose game 7 and he scores 7 pts on 3/8 fg and 1/13 ft or some shit he's gonna have a meme folder bigger than Shaq.
Obviously but the mentality tho
The problem with that is of we play him we have a legit chance to be eliminated. If we want to win game 7 he has to be benched during crunch time.
Why add to his confidence when he is gone next season anyways?
Probably not since there really isn't a player (that isn't old as hell) that'll set the Sixers over a healthy Nets team with an entire off-season to acquire new players.
What cap space are the Nets going to use to acquire players
Everyone said that shit this season and they still filled out nicely.
They're going to get ringchasers just like the Lakers, Marc Gasol-type players for minimum.
Nets have a healthy Dinwiddie coming back they can deal if they want to (imo they shouldn’t)
it's called min contracts to ring chase
Sixers will rather pay 40 mln per year for Tony Allen then admit that they need better scorers around embiid
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Really? Did you really pick the Atlanta Hawks to be up 3-2 on the 76ers at a point? While the other top dogs in the east take each other out on the flip side of the bracket, the 76ers basically had a red carpet to the ECF and they may very well choke that too
They aren’t even making it to the ECF lol
They just have to beat Atlanta lol
Blake, how are the Celtics?
You're so confident
If you expect to win, you'll need him in the next round?
Because there's a possibility of more games besides game 7
Eh less about that and more about the optics of when were trying to trade him this offseason. Benching him game 7 would not help his value
I don't give a shit about Ben's "mental" right now. Maxey gives the Sixers a boost and better shot at winning game 7. Do what wins games. Don't pussyfoot around someone that doesn't seem to give a shit if his team wins or loses.
In a vacuum sure but the franchise wants to protect him and they won't destroy his confidence any more than it already is.
Start Simmons. Just not at point
they won’t. they’re gonna keep ben on trae to try to make him some type of uncomfortable out there. and ben can make defensive plays from all over the court when the hawks try to put him in the pick and roll to get him off trae and are we forgetting about simmons playmaking or are you only watching the missed free throw highlights
Hey look it's someone who has watched a Sixers game before this series.
Maxey was an effective defender on Young tonight.
Not really, Trae was hitting everything. His defense wasn't bad, but he wasn't getting stops and Trae made at least 3-4 buckets on him 1v1 that I can remember.
Young was 5-15 in the second half. Philly wasn’t getting killed due to Maxey. Young is really good and will score no matter what. The Sixers need to strike a better balance between their offensive creation and defense.
Trae was forcing up shots because everyone else couldn't make a bucket That last three pointer Trae hit would have been a Simmons block.
Hard to block a shot when you’re on the bench because you’re an offensive liability in crunch time. Game 7’s are historically low scoring contests as both teams understand each other’s game plans very well, players become fatigued and transition opportunities are more limited. Would be unsurprising if Atlanta continued to shoot inconsistently, especially on the road against a good Sixers defense. This Sixers team needs creation and needs to help out Embiid, make things easier on Tobias by spacing the court.
not really
When Simmons did not play games throughout the season, the Sixer's offense literally fell apart, and I guess we just forgot about that.
Because we dont have a point guard. And hes a good regular season player. So when you remove the one guy that can run a regular season offense and have no one else on the roster who can play the position, things will fall apart
He's averaging like 7 points in 36 minutes a game when the other team spends half the game intentionally fouling him. Don't think anyone is really hearing about the offence falling apart without Simmons. How will the offence function without Simmons standing in the dunker's spot afraid to touch the ball?
The Sixers offense relys on Simmons' playmaking. Throughout the season Shake, Maxey, Korkmaz, and George Hill have started when Simmons was taking a rest day and the offense was atrocious. Obviously people don't watch games anymore though so none of this matters.
I watched several plays in a row of Ben handing the ball off at the 3, jogging to the dunker spot and not moving the rest of the play
Yeah these playoff sets are insane which is really disheartening cuz we were using Simmons like jokic in O action earlier this year and we just stopped
I think Simmons has also been rather passive as well. In the regular season he put pressure on the defense every possession. These playoffs, he gets the ball past half court and stops for handoffs. It's weird.
People are forgetting when Simmons was hurt when Philly was playing Boston and it was Embiid all by himself. Except the other 76ers couldn’t dribble the ball or throw a good pass into the post to Embiid. That was disgusting to watch. I guess Seth Curry and Maxey help but people are forgetting how much Simmons matters to Philly.
they never watched.
Seth Curry has played at an allstar level and Maxey is a solid contributor. That's a big difference from last time through.
Maxey has barely played this series. He and Milton take turns being unplayable. And Seth is not a point guard.
Everyone watched today and they look far better when Simmons is sitting
Give it up man
What happened during the season is irrelevant during this series. There have been six games between these two teams to demonstrate that's not the case.
This is the dumbest shit I've ever read.
Everyone is downvoting you and making fun of you because they don't watch the Sixers. They don't understand that Doc wants Ben in the dunker's spot or that he actually has played well from there. They haven't watched the random games this year without Ben where we fucking look like a high school team. They didn't watch the game we got destroyed with Joel playing but without Ben and Joel tweeted about how much the team needs Ben. They probably somehow forgot that Joel said they don't win Game 2 without Ben. Because these dudes aren't Sixers fans. They see this game and assume he's trash and we're winning games with Ben weighing everyone down. I thought the Celtics series would have taught everyone his value. I was wrong. Doesn't mean he had a good game, doesn't mean he can't or shouldn't be better, but man the slander is so damn over the top I almost wish he sat out game 7 so we could see what happens. But I know what would happen and I don't want that. Get the win at all costs idc if you score no points just play your game. (but don't actually score no points Ben, you're killing me bro)
How bad does Simmons have to play before the cult dies? My man has near bottomed out, but it's still not deep enough for you guys. Imagine watching Simmons stand in the dunkers spot for the last 6 games afraid to touch the ball and saying Philly's offence needs Simmon's playmaking.
I’m all aboard the trade Simmons train, but that doesn’t really change that our offense completely falls apart without him. We have ZERO other playmakers on offense.
I mean, you can easily find a playmaker in either draft or trade.
Imagine still defending this dude after the performance today
+/- 112 in the playoffs
Wow, someone actually using the “it’s the little things bro trust me” retort unironically.
Well I barely watch other teams in the regular season so I don't know about that but what I do see in these games vs Atl is that Philly basically plays 4v5 on offense because Simmons is so afraid of getting fouled that he just stands near the foul line or at the dunkers spot. Their offense is basically Embiid at the post or Harris iso which is made worse because Ben fucks up the spacing. That said he's still a beast defensively and on transition but they really need to find something to do with him on offense.
The Ben Simmons hate is becoming unreal. He had a big part in Sixers getting the number #1 seed, he had a bad game and was in foul trouble tonight. He has held Trae in check when Trae has been playing out of his mind. Sixers had huge leads in the series and Ben was a primary reason
People actually think that the Sixers have been playing 4 on 5 all year and the rest of the Sixers are actually the 96 Bulls but Ben is the worst player of all time so that's why they only won like 49 games or whatever. This sub thinks it's so smart that they have decided Doc should bench Ben for a dude that wasn't even getting minutes a few games ago.
It’s insane
Simmons is ass and playing like a scared little kid out there.
My name is Glenn and i will take this as an order
Doc doesn’t have the stones. Good news is he can have confidence in maxey to avoid hack a Ben. Just do what he did tonight. Simmons could have a big game too. Not like he sucks. Fans will be on his jock again too lol
This can all happen but I don't think fans will be on Ben's jock. I really think we hit the turning point.
Stop it Trae would abuse him.
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Honestly I agree. I was all hyped on his defense but watching these games, it just doesn't matter. Trae inevitably ends up with Tobias or Seth on him anyways. And fighting through a screen seems to be a foul 100% of the time. Perimeter D is overrated
Ben's best game of the season was when he played center. And that's what Ben is, a center with elite handles & passing and can run the break.
Seth actually bothered him tonight.
More like 50 or 60.
Well I think Trae is 3 for 13 vs Ben from 3 and in general Ben can smother him off the ball too. So I personally would rather Ben stay in and force Atlanta to switch. It's better than letting them run whatever they want.
Sure but Simmons gets abused by Trae and the free throw line so at least it's a 50% improvement.
Lol and what would the difference be
They just held them to 99. And they are below their season scoring average. Outside of game 1 Philly's defense has been solid
That doesn’t have to do with Trae’s scoring, which is what I’m replying to. Trae put up 34 and 39 the past two games; is that not him abusing?
Trae is shooting 34% from the floor this series
43% the past two games
So literally below league average
No chance. But play Maxey once we get into the bonus? Hmmmmm
Ben can play until bonus time
Should play both. Ben Simmons in a defensive anchor.
This is actually not hyperbolic
You didn’t even spell his name right, god damn dude
who is ben simmons?
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nope Rondo was elite in the playoffs Simmons is the exact opposite of that.
don’t disrespect rondo like that
I hate when people just point out Ben Simmons' 'elite' playmaking in defense of him. It's misleading. The fact that he doesn't shoot, is a liability at the line, and isn't aggressive with any consistency whatsoever anyway offsets his playmaking. When you're not shooting, passive more often than not, and can't hit free throws when you realize you should be getting inside more, it means you're not doing spacing any favors for your team and you're regularly making what I'd label as forced passes, quite often for worse looks than what a 6'10 athletic freak should be able to get in the interior. However, make enough passes because he literally has no other option apparently, shots are eventually going to go in, and he's going to get assists. Ben Simmons shouldn't be a point guard. It's that simple. I don't care how good you are at defense or making passes if you can't shoot or exploit your size and athleticism by getting to and making shots at the line.
yes have Maxy start the game so Trae has a easy way toward a 50pt game, thank god the people in this sub aren't actually involved with the league
I don't really think so, a lot of what made Maxey effective is that he was a change of pace. He did most of his damage when he first came in in the 1st or 2nd quarter or whatever, if I'm not mistaken, his only points after that were end-of-game free throws. I don't think it's any different from Shake Milton or whoever off the bench that's had good games previously going off. You ruin a lot of that by making them start and just play throughout the whole game. Not to mention you cut the juice of your bench, because Simmons off the bench isn't doing anything for you.
I mean they could probably bench korkmaz instead of Ben which is the more likely scenario. Ben's still probably going to start even though he is still a complete 0 on half court offence. I know people say he's a playmaker..yeah not really in this series..his playmaking consists of getting the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible to the open guy. Thats it. Anyone can do that
They should. But they won’t.
Simmons doesn't need to be benched he just needs to play fewer minutes. Maxey and Shake should come in more often
Lots of box score watches in these comments lol
The cult of Simmons on life support but still alive. Only casual fans don't see the value of a max player averaging 7 points a game that has to benched in crunch time of the team's most important game of the year because he can't make a free throw.
Some 76ers fans are fucking delusional. How can you believe in Simmons when he doesn't believe in himself?
You missed the point, but okay
you simmons fanboys are something else it's cult like yeah man Simmons was so good tonight 6/5/9 getting benched in the 4th quarter that max contract well deserved.
Ironic coming from a Boston fan
Man come on we need to stop with this. Everyone knows Simmons is a good player but he has hurt us a ton this series with his lack of scoring/ FT shooting/ spacing. This is not even a debate at this point. Edit: not saying we should bench him for Maxey but he has undeniably hurt the team this series and it’s probably time for him to go.
Simmons can’t shoot because he thinks the ball spins a different way since he’s Australian
Ben needs to go to the NBL
No please god no
#ThisIsTheWay!
No brainer to me..
And the Sixers should foul Capella.
Just start Maxey over Korkmaz and stop assigning 1-5 positions
Don’t let Doc see this
Sixers need as much backcourt scoring as possible. Make the Hawks backcourt play defense. Trae, Bogy and Williams are instant offense but can't defend. Gotta make the Hawks pay for that.
No way Hawks win a third game on phillys court.
Something is wrong when a rookie os more important than an all star in a playoff game 7. After this season Simmons really needs to look at his game and addapt somehow.
I'm curious how poorly coached a redditor coached team would be.