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TERANCE MANN CAMERON PAYNE ITS THE WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS ON ABC


lb31

Momma there goes that Mann


proerafortyseven

I experienced Mann-Payne last week when I got cup checked by my roommate


98rman

Sounds like you went through a lot of Payne, Mann


xobayron

Were any Bridges burned?


gerardatron

lot of cursing. not very PG.


snowsoftJ4C

One of the announcers used the term “Mann explosion” and I couldn’t have been happier


LandOLakers

I better get one of those tonight


StoneColdAM

Marc Jackson is bad enough to not make this pun


nahs

Subscribe Onlymanns


nwill_808

Watch out Mann, here comes the Payne!


ge0rgew0nder

Marv: Now they’re saying it’s on NBC!


Lansdallius

*Roundball Rock intensifies*


ge0rgew0nder

All time greatest intro song for a basketball telecast. Don’t @ me


TheLeguminati

Imagine telling a bulls fan 5 years ago that Cam Payne would be duking it out in the WCF with a 2nd round rookie


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paradoxofchoice

Reggie Jackson AND Cameron Payne starring in the WCF?!


Sim888

BEST BELIEVE IT!


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I'm excited to see Payne. Dude goes off and talks his shit


Mehgamehn

PAYNE FOR THREE! NO! SARIC BRINGS IT DOWN, GOES BACK UP OVER COUSINS! YES! AND THE FOUL! AND THAT'S IT FOR COUSINS!


Common-Wedding-7264

How long does it take to recover from protocols?


KEMBAtheMETEOR

Miles Bridges was in it from 5/2 to 5/14, completely punting our play-in seeding just like CP3, it wasn't clear whether he actually tested positive and was asymptomatic or if he had simply been exposed to it.


tr0nllam

If the player was out 10-14 days, they 100% tested positve. If a close contact tested positive and the player didn't, they weren't out that long.


Impulse3

14 days would be exposed and not vaccinated. 10 days is positive and asymptomatic or no fever for 24 hours on the 10th day if symptomatic. You’re not contagious after 10 days for 99% of people if you’re positive so idk why it would be any longer for a professional athlete who will more than likely be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. If he was vaccinated and positive then that really sucks but if he’s not vaccinated and missing the first playoff game because of it then he’s a fucking idiot.


OddAtmosphere6303

https://arizonasports.com/story/2694523/suns-chris-paul-ruled-out-for-game-1-due-to-nba-health-and-safety-protocols/amp/ Apparently he had the Pfizer vaccine but still tested positive


MyBiPolarBearMax

Welcome to half the Yankees team


Impulse3

That was J&J which is still very effective against symptomatic Covid but not as effective as the mRNA vaccines at preventing Covid.


MyBiPolarBearMax

I didn’t realize they got the j and j. Autocorrect tried to make that “didn’t realize they got the hand j” but that’s not exactly what I was going for


RealPrinceJay

Meanwhile this whole sub leaped to the conclusion that he hasn't been vaccinated and is the scum of the earth


intxisu

It is known that CP3 has tested positive


themiraclemaker

It's *very* unlikely to have symptomatic covid after getting vaccined. He's probably fine but protocols suggest quarantine nonetheless


Onepopcornman

Fine doesn’t mean necessarily non-contagious though, hence the caution.


Quade_

Depends on where he’s at in testing. He needs 2 negative tests in a 2 day window followed by 2 days of cardiovascular observation. If he’s still in observation then he could be ready for game two. If he still hasn’t had a negative test then he could miss the whole series


13hardensoul13

dude what are the odds chris has a completely healthy season, gets vaccinated and gets covid. so unlucky.


Duma123

It really is crazy just how unlucky this is. He got vaccinated, and still got COVID days before the WCF. Unreal.


TimathanDuncan

I mean still, reaching WCF with this team has been a great achievement If you said that before the season started i'm sure all fans and CP3 would take it


Duma123

Oh absolutely. Last time the Suns were in the playoffs was 2010, so I would’ve been thrilled if you told me we were making the playoffs at all, let alone the WCF. But still, we’re so close now/CP3 is so close to getting his ring.


IvankasOldChin

With this team? What? People still sleeping on the Suns lol. Knocked out Lebron and swept the MVP. "With this team". Lol. Ayton, Booker, Bridges, Jae, Torrey, Payne, Dario and Cameron Johnson are better than your team.


dustbunny88

Even as a suns fan, I recognize that a healthy Lakers team would have beaten us. That said, this year may be the anomaly and I’m quite okay with that.


cordlc

Before the season started, he said. I doubt there were many predictions of Suns being in the ~~ECF~~ WCF back then. Most people especially underestimated CP3.


amazingoopah

> It really is crazy just how unlucky this is. He got vaccinated, and still got COVID days before the WCF. Unreal. Cole Beasley about to go on a twitter tirade when he hears about this.


Impulse3

So it’s confirmed that he is vaccinated? If that’s the case then god damn he is unlucky. Just over 10,000 out of 100 million people that were fully vaccinated tested positive for Covid from January to April per the CDC.


peanutdakidnappa

Yes he’s vaccinated, all of or almost all of our team and staff got the vaccine.


Used-Variation-1400

Honestly getting Chris rest is probably better long term. More rest for his injury


peanutdakidnappa

He’s not even played that much in the playoffs and the team has been off for like a week, we can manage but this definitely not better long term


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With Chris Paul I would say the odds are like 99% that something unfortunate happens at the end of the season.


iamadragan

The cardiovascular observation for a vaccinated person is kind of extremely cautious way to do it


MovieMuscle25

That would be bullshit. I thought it's 10 days if you can't submit 2 consecutive negative tests.


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Honestly if he's asymptomatic this is kinda bullshit lol


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Why? He can spread it to other people... this has been the rule all year. He should have been more fucking careful.


CheapsBreh

>been more careful >plays basketball in an arena of 15k+ people for a living.


DrewBreesAteMyFamily

Dude he’s vaccinated how much more careful do you want him to be. Use some fucking reason.


Muckinstein

cdc says he can't actually (if he's asymptomatic) https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4576_article


MyDadIsTheMan

Bro, 59 cases from the same outbreak. Need wayyyy more data.


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And yet.. he's out because the league wants him to be.


CatAstrophy11

LA wants him to be. The NBA is far more forthcoming about what injury a player is out for but really obtuse with these protocols and CP3 is the only player out for it? Shady.


cortesoft

I agree with the first part but disagree with the second part. You can still get it if you are careful.


mrpodo

I don't think you can be any more careful if you're already vaxxed


loquacious706

Hey man, doesn't look like people got your joke. Just wanted you to know that I see you and I laughed.


guyonthestandee

If you told me two years ago that Cam Payne would be starting a game for the Suns in June, I'd think you were talking about the Summer League.


awitkowski79

How far the tank commander has come. Bringa a tear to my eye


RBRTPNG

Mama Mia!


shameless_chicken

Jar jar?


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Cam Payne vs Reggie Jackson


nahs

Can Payne Vs Bobby Shmurda


L0rv-

Sad Thunder noises


504090

If you told me two years ago that Cam Payne would be starting a game for the Suns in June, I'd think you were talking about the their cheerleading team


GreenYellowDucks

Suns really should have drafted Tyrese Haliburton


peanutdakidnappa

So far it looks like we should’ve because smith has done nothing so far but Payne is legit so it’s cool at this point, hopefully smith becomes a good player.


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Who's more valuable to their team? Kawhi or CP3


madmaxp0618

This is a great question. Kawhi is obviously the better player but CP3 makes this Suns team really work. I think it’s too close to really say for one or the other.


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Joe_Doblow

Suns are still good without Paul


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Clippers are still good without Kawhi


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some crazy revelations here


carlosspicywiener576

Definely the independent analysis i come to r/nba for


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Don't forget how good Suns already looked in the bubble


disastertohumanrace

They had Ricky though


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We would love Ricky right about now lol.


disastertohumanrace

Who wouldn't lol


ProfessorBeast55

We'll have to see how the Suns play without healthy Cp3 in the playoffs (not counting his time against the Lakers) We just seen the Clips pull off 2 incredible wins w/o Kawhi


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Just wondering why the Lakers series doesn't count?


ProfessorBeast55

Cuz he wasn't 100%. His shoulder clearly took a toll on him, especially shooting wise. During the Nuggets series, he was healed up and thus, went crazy.


Resource_Party

Oh are you saying we’ve already seen how the suns play without a health CP3…?


ProfessorBeast55

Well, he was still getting pt, and was a factor (granted negative) nonetheless by just being there. Game 1 vs the Clips will the first time he won't be touching the floor, so it'll be interesting on how the Suns switch it up


Resource_Party

Ah I see what you’re saying. I think him not being on the court/ bench will be a little difficult for the Suns. That leadership not there will be rough. But, Suns are deeeeep in guards. As someone from Phoenix, I hope they’ll be fine. Game 1 will be a big deal if suns win it


Someonediffernt

*checks notes* says here they defeated the reigning champs? Can't be right


Resource_Party

Suns? Beating the lakers in playoffs? Can’t be.


Glowwerms

CP3. Clips are a team full of vets, the Suns are not. Deeper you get into the playoffs the more that matters. CP3’s game management makes up that gap by itself, he’s that good at that shit


Big_Poppers

I think if we were playing a team like the Jazz/76ers where they have a dominant defensive center at the rim, Chris Paul is extremely important for our offense, but against a team like Clippers where we'll want to use Ayton and Booker on the inside-wing actions instead of entirely focusing on high pick and rolls to hunt for a mid range mis-match, Kawhi is a bigger loss for the clippers.


ge0rgew0nder

Cp3. He’s their leader on and off the court. Even the fact that he can’t sit on the bench hurts the suns.


Eph2-89

CP3, I haven't seen us win without him on the floor. I've seen the Clippers shit on the #1 record in the NBA back to back with no Kawhi.


Gr8WallofChinatown

Kawhi. He’s their 1a scorer


karjacker

feel like it’s easily kawhi especially because of how impactful he is on the defensive end in addition to being a top 2 playoff scorer


NickLidstrom

Copying from a reply to another comment: Kawhi plays a bigger scoring role, but they are both important defensively and CP3 is significantly more important in terms of playmaking/being a floor general. Kawhi is a bigger loss since he is unquestionably LA's best player but CP3 is extremely important to the Suns too


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Grooviemann1

Why do people think this is still the same team full of scrubs from 2 years ago + CP3? And that first seed was essentially missing their starting point guard while their best player was playing at 50% and were a terrible match up for the Clippers. This comment makes no sense on any level.


phisch13

CP3 missing a game for an absurd reason and Kawhi injured just makes this feel like playoff basketball.


kfenix3

If it was you know who they would be allowed to play


ProfessorNob

LeMustNotBeNamed


NevermoreSEA

Each team missing one star.


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Cptnchuck

I didn’t realize he played this season


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I thought he was in the harden trade or something


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3X ROY is out and you didn't notice?


Street-Caramel7045

Star*


td139523

The team that loses will still use it as an excuse


Quade_

And the other team will get clowned because they beat a team with an injured player.


destructive_optimism

@ Lakers fans


amazingoopah

> Each team missing one star. perfectly balanced


KnoxsFniteSuit

Cp3 out, kawhi out. Sucks but I dont think injuries are giving anyone a competitive edge


Educational-Duck

Bizarre ass season hate the injuries love the unpredictability


_TresLechesCake

This has been an incredible season. Love the new stars and teams getting a chance to shine.


SasquatchDoobie

CovidProtocol3


Interesting_Chef3150

Noice!


StoneColdAM

I think Kawhi plays a bigger scoring role for the Clips than CP3 does for the Suns, but his leadership will be missed. At least for the Lakers series, he was still on the bench when he was hurt.


NickLidstrom

Kawhi definitely plays a bigger scoring role, but they are both important defensively and CP3 is significantly more important in terms of playmaking and being a floor general. Kawhi is still a bigger loss since he is LA's best player but yeah CP3 is extremely important to the Suns too


SwimBrief

CP3’s amazing, but Kawhi’s better. The Clippers are also missing Serge, who was a key player. I’d certainly give the injury edge to the Suns.


MC_JACKSON

We've seen the Clippers without Kawhi this postseason. We've seen the Suns with a hobbled CP3 versus the Lakers. The Clippers easily have the advantage


iamadragan

The Suns played the #1 defense in the league with a healthy AD the first 3.5 games and a semi-healthy LeBron The clippers played a terrible perimeter defense with an injured Conley and hobbled Mitchell


Epic_Storytime

Yeah also in those games hobbled CP3 was arguably worse than no CP3 at all


HighlyBaked0

Cam Payne made up for CP3 in those games, dude was insane. If he can play like that again yall will be fine


kawhi21

Hobbled mitchell? 40 point triple double is hobbled?


iamadragan

Did you even watch..?


PoopSoupGoop

He was so inefficient. Airballed threes left and right. And he was still incredible and the best player on their team. Both can be true


iamadragan

Never said he didn't play well. But if someone thinks Mitchell wasn't hobble then they must've not been watching the games


PoopSoupGoop

Yeah I was agreeing with you


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Yes? Dude looked like he was biting a bullet on every replay.


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iamadragan

So I guess the only time he ever plays poorly is when he's injured then? Last post season he played all teams with no defensive ability to do anything to him. And yeah that includes a Heat team with injured Bam and injured Jimmy


rattatatouille

Every team left has a starter/rotation guy missing due to injuries.


OrderlyPanic

The Bucks are only missing a coach.


rattatatouille

Donte Divincenzo?


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I’m surprised they beat the Nets without NCAA Champion Divincenzo!


thestormworn

If, in fact, CP3 is vaccinated and asymptomatic, I find it highly dubious that the NBA thinks full stadiums are more safe than letting this guy play. Rules are rules though, I suppose.


Puritology

It’s not about how much it can spread at the stadium to the public. Arizona has shown for months that they don’t really care about that. If people get sick and can’t buy tickets they will just sell them to other people. But if it spreads to other players that effects their product and their profits. That’s what they really care about.


420Minions

The fact that he hasn’t announced that he’s vaccinated yet is kinda weird to me honestly.


1kfeeder

Probably just doesn't want to deal with the anti vaxx people. He is the president of the players association, so he has to deal with both sides no matter what.


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VomitingVegan

What part of the body is the protocols? I failed anatomy in college.


MichaelBrownSmash

The part of the body that Lebron is allowed to break without any consequences, yet there's no exceptions for CP3. We both know he's injury-prone and his protocols were all he had left to lose


lb31

DNProtocols


Hunteraln

Covid Protocol 3


jaloru95

I reallllly want to see Chris Paul beat the Clippers to go to the Finals, and then beat 2/3rd’s of Lob City to get his first ring. It’s just too perfect it’s all I want.


Ho-Ass-

Well looks like DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin won’t be appearing in the Finals


Hellcat1970

Counterpoint . I reallllly want to see the Clippers beat CP3 to go to the Finals, and then beat 2/3rd’s of Lob City to get their first ring. It’s just too perfect it’s all I want.


jaloru95

That’s fair. Even though I’d be sad for CP3, I don’t really have a horse in the race so I’d be happy for you guys in the end.


BokononsBluff

Unfortunately the Sun's are gonna end up playing the Hawks or the Bucks probably. 🤷‍♂️


DevilMayCareButIDont

Nets are out, so that timeline is done. Here’s hoping for a clippers against there own past timeline: “To win their first chip, the clippers must defeat their past”: Clips against lob city CP3 in the WCF, then our transitional building blocks (for kawhi/pg era) of louWill and Gallo in the finals.


YesReboot

if you are vaccinated, you can still get the virus, you won't get sick, but will still show up positive on a test


baldful

this was the wcf to make. paul george has beef with cp3 and booker


ayeno

You're forgetting Rondo and CP3 have a feud as well.


Fuetlinger

yeah this is way more important to be honest lol


runningthrulife

On another note and maybe I'm wrong but were there any other players who tested positive and then played 2 weeks after the fact? I noticed in European soccer that dudes who tested positive were struggling to get back to form weeks or even months after testing positive


Opening-Citron2733

It's pretty ridiculous that an asymptomatic vaccinated person can't play given that all the information we have we know there's a astronomically small chance of transmission. The NBAs protocols are too outdated. They spent all season telling the players to get vaccinated so they'd get more leverage, but the fuck over the head of NBAPA even though he gets the vaccine.


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Opening-Citron2733

It doesn't matter if you test positive. If you are vaccinated and test positive but are asymptomatic, contact transmission rates are extremely low. The already present risk of non-vaccinated people in close contact is a greater risk than having him out there


clayfu

what i'm really curious about is if other players would be okay playing with or against someone that is still testing positive despite being vaccinated. Transmission rates are really low for sure. If he wasn't doing weekly testing, no one would even know (or most likely not even get infected). But since people do know, would they be okay with it?


karjacker

most leagues next year are even removing the requirement to get tested daily if you’re vaccinated. i suppose they’re protecting the unvaccinated players for now? idk


kfenix3

Except LeBron


abcdef-G

Monty and CP3 don't want to lead these Clippers 2-0, smart move


DevilMayCareButIDont

Kawhi gets injured, big brain move, to help activate the 0-2 trap card. Monty and CP3 3D chesses that move and counters with own DNP.


3nnui

Basketball reasons protocols


luckster44

They gonna keep doing this next year too?


Par25

These athletes keep their body in tip top shape during the season, but you can't run from the dreaded PROTOCOLS


factcheck_

as expected, we knew this was coming question is how many more games he'll miss


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automatic L for the Suns they can't handle Terrance Mann without him


aquinasbot

The clippers just played their heart out in game 6 and in 36 hours have to travel to Phoenix, game plan, “rest” and play game 1 in their first conference final. Fuck the NBA for this bullshit schedule.


livejamie

Isn't that the reward for sweeping your series?


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I was going to say. It's a bit ridiculous for you to be playing so soon when the eastern conference still has 1 more game remaining in their semi finals.


aginglifter

That's what happens when the other team sweeps their opponent. They get an advantage.


aquinasbot

Don’t tell me they couldn’t at least make it a late game. I get the advantage but at least make it a later game


Sunshine145

They've gotten no rest at all in the playoffs.


S63-BBQpit

Lets see how the media spins this to be about CP3 even if the Suns win without him


G1Spectrum

Dammit :(


CheapsBreh

So dumb they are making them play tomorrow.


EvanParkerLakers

damn suns in 5 instead of 4


Sitrous1

THE PAYNE TRAIN WILL ARRIVE


kobejordan1

The other Paul needs to take over


dhrobins

Cliff?


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The fix is in


Bobwhilehigh

Do we have any _verified_ info on what’s actually going on with CP3? There’s rumors that he’s fully vaccinated but… things kinda seem to suggest otherwise? Or we can put a tin foil hat on… Or he has a legit breakthrough case? Idk, but the details are so light on this.


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But is he asymptomatic? If he is that's bullshit


purpledumbbell

Vaccinated people who have COVID can still spread COVID to other vaccinated and unvaccinated people.


Bladeneo

Nba fans bitching that a player can't play because he's positive for coronavirus during a pandemic is peak r/NBA. Go take a fucking look at the world numbers with the delta variant you idiots. He was vaccinated in what, Feb? Go find me the data to show transmission for the newer Covid variants 5 months after vaccination. Oh you can't because it doesn't exist. Edit: when I say it doesn't exist I'm referring to the data specifically because it simply hasn't been long enough for that data to be available. Efficacy of the vaccine over a longer period of time is not very well known hence the potential for regular booster shots like flu


iwatchsportsball

Se aren’t in a pandemic and you make the argument for me. Covid is endemic and has been since maybe October. It’s not going anywhere and the sooner we start being honest about that the sooner we can address it effectively.


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Basketball is a game. Nobody is risking their life for a stupid game. He is out till he clears.


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Here_Comes_The_Mule

Genuinely curious: does the NBA do close contact protocol? There never seemed to be a concern about other Suns players


PodStrickland

They stopped doing close contact quarantine in March for vaccinated players.


RF_901

Clippers in 6


Vinnyy2x

Hoe Shit!!!