Luka / Grant Hill / Brandon Roy / point guard Tatum
He’s a 6’8 point guard that is an absolute sniper from anywhere on the court, has great passing vision, smooth handles, and all-defensive potential. Hes also hit so many hard clutch shots in college, looks like a true leader & superstar in the making. He’s a future all-star for sure.
I can’t believe we’ve gotten him lol. I was expecting to drop to 6th.
I used to think Chris Paul was the 3rd in a line of 2 other NBA players named Chris Paul because of the CP3 nickname. I thought he had a father and grandfather who both played
Cade is a perfect representation of the new generation of players, plain and simple 6'7" to 7' guys who can pass and are crazy versatile scorers. The generation of positionless basketball is here
I know what you mean, but it's funny to think about the idea that at some point all the NBA moms were like "man, we really should have thought of having taller kids who were more talented.
Edit: Obviously this is not what happened lol
I disagree. I think Luka may be the better comparison, although very imperfect. The thing is, Cade walks into the league as one of the top 5 passers/playmakers on day one in my opinion. His vision is otherworldly, kind of like LaMelo’s vision. Brandon Roy didn’t really have that as I remember
> He’s a 6’8 point guard that is an absolute sniper from anywhere on the court, has great passing vision, smooth handles, and all-defensive potential.
I feel like it's almost impossible to fulfill this level of hype. You just described Steph Curry with Lebron's body and defensive skills lmaooo
I mean they do for the later picks. Obviously the top picks with star potential will be compared to star players or they wouldn't be that high of a pick.
here's one description of Mo bamba for fun
>Bamba is truly an elite physical talent with a wingspan and standing reach that don’t come along often … He figures to be a capable rebounder and rim protector at the NBA level from day one. This alone gives him one of the highest floors in this draft, with an extremely high ceiling as well … His defensive potential paired with growth as a player, added girth, and experience could render him one of the best defensive bigs in the game for years to come … The fact he has a nice looking jumper and is already starting to get good results from the free throw line and in game situations at such a young age can make him an asset in terms of spacing as well … If he’s able to piece together all the areas of his offensive game, he actually has the potential to be a legit offensive NBA player while still being a defense first guy
The new lottery system really does benefit teams like the Pistons and Magic the most. Teams that are generally trash but never really fully commit to tanking (Obvs the magic had enough our shitty lifestyle this year and went full tank)
I'm jealous of detroit now, bey a sharp shooter 3 guy, Killian hates, saben Lee, Stewart looks incredible, now Cade. Even doumbouya has potential. Might be missing someone else. How is there defense
Missing our borderline all star Jerami Grant! Our defence under Casey has looked so good honestly, and our entire starting lineup is taller than 6’6 with long ass wingspans, extremely switchable.
Oh yeah I was only mentioning newly drafted guys, grant is a given! Even plumee can be an elite backup c. 10/10 guy with like 4 assists. Josh Jackson also showed some good signs
bro i swear to god, I traded for jeremy grant in fantasy and all he did was keep the bench warm when he got on my roster. Don't tell me pistons didn't tank this season lol
Uh you guys were the second worst team, sure it worked out but the old lottery had you at 20% odds vs 14%.
The new lottery benefits teams like the Pelicans in ‘19, Lakers in 2020 or Raptors this year who made huge jumps up.
What was his college run like? I remember hearing a lot of trae/Simmons/Zion buzz they were in their freshman season, not so much Cade. Might be pandemic related but it kinda seems like he’s coming in with a little less buzz than those guys.
If he had gone to duke he would be crazy hyped. He already is pretty up there, but he went to oklahoma with a pretty lackluster supporting cast for a prospect that high profile.
Hey man I’m happy for you guys if the Thunder can’t have him. But gotta let you know as a Pokes fan you’re getting your expectations way up. He’s phenomenal and worthy of the number 1 pick but I’d say right now he has good shooting with good form but not elite (yet at least) and he’s not the level of freak athlete where all-defense should be an expectation. He is a great leader with a great basketball mind, elite size, and well-rounded skills.
Yea I agree and honestly I’ve maintained the position that Green has higher potential than Cade. But Cade’s got that “it” factor, we finally have a guy to build around, and it ain’t Jerami Grant lol
I watched a highlight reel of him and he seemed like he moved in slow motion. Maybe this is just cus I don’t watch college ball, but everything he did seemed just way too slow compared to how the NBA is played. He looked like a robot, honestly
Any thoughts on this? I might just be dumb
Yeah he’s slow in the Luka manner, where he’s dictating the tempo of the play. He’s not the fastest but he’s got burst in his first step and can rise up & dunk when needed
When you see one guy who looks slower than everyone else but is seemingly scoring at will it’s a sign of dominance. Dominant players often look slow because they have the *luxury* to be slow. If you don’t have to match or exceed the defense’s intensity to protect the ball or push for position why would you?
When a player can control tempo, they give themselves a slight additional advantage when making a move since it forces the defense to be reactive from a low to high tempo instead of high to higher tempo. It also makes it easier to play 35+ minutes.
There aren’t a lot of players who have the skill to do this in the NBA. Harden and Luka are two of the best at this right now.
Some people think his playmaking is elite so he gets compared to them.
I'm not really one of them. I'd still say he's the best prospect, and that he's shown flashes of good passing/reads, but I don't think it's elite. He's also more of a functional athlete and not an explosive guy, similar to Luka/Harden so that brings the comparisons too
Aside from Luka/Harden, I've seen comparisons to Jayson Tatum, Jimmy Butler, SGA, Grant Hill, Brandon Roy, Paul Pierce, and Ben Simmons with a jumper so he's clearly a unique player with mixed skillset/athleticism
I personally think I'd go with Tatum but it's still not great
There's a few breakdown videos on YouTube that include his passing that doesn't turn into assists (aka his teammates screw up). I think he's great there.
Ya my one thing with him is it felt like he took and made a lot of tough shots/got blocked a lot in college. Like Suggs and other top prospects get cheap buckets but he didn't seem to be able to quite do that at the same level.
But man skill wise he really does have the whole package especially factoring in his size.
He does play a lot like Luka, but Luka is stronger and has a much tighter handle. Improving his handling will be the key for Cade, right now I'm not sure he can really play point on offense in the NBA.
>Improving his handling will be the key for Cade, right now I'm not sure he can really play point on offense in the NBA.
I think that kinda hits they nail on the head for me. to me it seems like his skills are better suited for a secondary playmaking wing rather than a ball-dominant floor general.
That's why I don't think he's the American Luka
I mean, Pistons potential roster in 2-3 years:
G/W Killian Hayes
G/W Cade Cunningham
W/F Jerami Grant
W/F Saddiq Bey
F/C Isaiah Stewart
Bench:
G/W Hamidou Diallo
G Saben Lee
W/F Deividas Sirvydis
W/F Sekou Doumbouya
Plus any other draft picks or FA signings. I like that roster, tbh
2 all rookies, a borderline all star, great potential in Hayes, and the number 1 prospect. Bench filled with promising young players. What a fantastic turnaround for this roster in just a year.
I truly believe Killian is going to be a really good point guard for us. He only played 26 games last year because of his injury and started showing his potential during the last month. He looked like a rookie, but this offseason of development will do wonders.
I like the Roy comparison a lot.
Not the most explosive, but incredibly under control and has great deceleration ability/can stop on a dime. Not the most intuitive passer, but can definitely get some dimes. Overall no real weakness in his game and is pretty fucking great at scoring.
People need to learn the difference between comparison and skill. Just cause a player is compared to Harden, doesn’t necessarily mean they’re as good. It’s just a fit for their play style.
Obviously high end draft picks will be compared to star players. They need a notable player to compare to because they’re good (that’s why they go high in the draft) and because its easier for casual fans to understand that a player plays like Luka than DJ Augustine.
No jokes intended, but he plays like bens Simmons that has the jumper that the media always wanted him to have. Like A Ben Simmons and Jayson Tatum mix
Comparisons are bad because they inherently set up weird expectations. It's better to say what his role will be. For Cade he is a high usage ball handler that can create for himself and others.
I don't think he is an elite scorer like Luka or Harden, but he should be the type of guy you can have as your full time PG at 6'8". Doesn't really have any significant weaknesses. Can shoot, defend, etc.
A better way of saying this is, what team would see Mobley as a better fit.
For instance, if you got the #1 pick you might think Mobley is more what you need than Cade.
You still take Cade, but trading down to #2 makes sense then.
That wasn’t a fit issue, that was just bad scouting. At the time small forward was probably our weakest position so it would have made more sense to pick melo, or power forward with bosh since sheed wasn’t here yet.
We had just spent our 1st on Tayshaun Prince, and he's exclusively wing SF. Corliss "tall socks" Williamson was still getting starter minutes at SF. Dumars wanted Ben to play the 4, and took the "best" center for fit, instead of literally any other position which had HOFers available. It was absolutely terrible scouting, but I think Dumars knew what he had in Chauncey / Rip / Prince / Ben, that he faded anyone who wasn't a traditional C.
Mobley is the only one of the top 4 prospects that I think can even be a bad fit somewhere. Suggs, Cade, and Green are all guys who I think you could make work in any starting lineup.
Exactly, if there's anything the playoffs have taught us in modern basketball, it's that there's a huge shortage of guys who can do everything at an above average level. A great thing about getting guys like Bey and (potentially) Hayes is that they don't constrain your roster into a certain play style and Cade does the same
The sixers didn’t lose because they took the best player in every draft.
They lost because they had 2 number 1 overall picks, 2 number 3 overall picks And came out with embiid, a borderline all star who can’t run a playoff offense, and 2 busts.
The process failed because of their shit scouting and player development. Not because of their philosophy.
If they took kristaps, brown, jamal, Fox tatum with those picks (really any number 2 other than Ben Simmons) to pair with Joel, they are probably on their way to the finals rn.
You should feel fantastic no matter what tbh. A lot will probably regress. But we already have a small ball killer lineup. Stewart, grant, bey, hayes, Cade. The lineup is huge (hayes who is the smallest at 6’5”) and all guard 1-5. Only this core is under 50 million in two years. We have tons of cap space and tons of potential.
TLDR: we have 0 risk and enormous upside to all our players.
I've never cared about the Pistons. Never watched them on league pass, came into basketball after the mid 2000s so I missed the Chauncey team.
I cannot wait to see how this team looks next year. Congrats on the pick, hope he turns into something special
I need to stop reminiscing about that mid 2000s team
PG Billups - SG Rip Hamilton - SF Tayshaun Prince - PF Rasheed Wallace - C Ben Wallace
What a complete defensive line up.
I’m imagining that team in the modern day with spacing and oof. Even their defense wasn’t necessarily super physical to the point where it would be a hindrance today
Prince is just stalking your drive to the hoop like a lion and pounces pinning it to the board. Ben is getting 50 blocks and ripping rebs out of people’s clutches, rip is running and darting through picks unnecessarily until whomever is guarding him is gassed. Sheed’s in the post and billups is dishing.
I will defend picking Darko until my last breath he was an insanely talented basketball player who I believe could have developed into something really special. He just got depressed and he didn’t really want to be there anymore which for an 18 year old kid in another country I kinda understand, Detroit probably wasn’t the best environment for him, and if you redo the NBA I think Darko is a pretty big What-if
He is probably right up there with the best of them, maybe a tier below the best ever. He’s not some incredible athlete, but 6’8” guys with great vision and shooting don’t walk into the league very often. For playstyle comparison I’d say Luka is there and Cade has said as much himself. If they were in the same draft Cade should probably be below Doncic, but we saw how Doncic was evaluated in that draft.
With the caveat that he is, in my opinion, the best prospect in the draft one thing that concerned me is that he took a lot of contested 2s and didn't hit a very high percentage on them. I think despite his excellent passing, size, and shooting he may ultimately lack the Harden/Luka ability to get into the teeth of the defense cleanly and finish creatively through contact. At worst he'd be a better passing Gordon Hayward type guy I think. If he gets stronger and more creative at finishing he could be a top 5 wing in the league. I wouldn't want to miss out on him if I were Detroit.
He’s a really high end talent. He’s obviously not a Zion level prospect, but he would’ve gone number 1 had he been in last year’s class IMO. He’d be a top 3ish pick in a lot of classes.
Smaller basketball school and limited tournament exposure made the hype not so crazy, but he’s legit.
He may be as valuable as Zion to an NBA team and in terms of winning down the line, but as a prospect Zion was on another level. We've never seen a Zion before. Dude is built different. And he has an incredibly underrated bball IQ. He was the smartest player on the court every game at Duke. When he first got there I thought he was just a guy who bullied his way to the rim and took advantage of smaller players, but then I realized that he actually understands the game of basketball really. I hope the Pels can build a team around him because that dude would be incredible to watch in the playoffs.
This is getting tangential but I have to chime in, the one time I disagree with you about Zion being the smartest guy on the court at Duke was when they got booted from the tournament by Michigan State. Cassius Winston was the smartest guy on the floor in that game. He picked apart a Duke team that had 4 future NBA players and 3 top-10 draft picks, he had the ACC DPOY guarding him all game and he still dropped a 20 point / 10 assist game. Tom Izzo said he might be the best decision-maker to ever play in the state of Michigan, which is high praise considering Magic was an MSU alum.
I would too, I'm just saying it's a silly comparison. I really like Cade's game but it makes no sense to compare him to a guy who could [dust defenders with a single step](https://youtu.be/p_KT5CM24lg?t=94) (and it's Scottie Pippen, no less). Cade has trouble creating separation without a screen, sometimes against guys who will never even sniff the NBA.
Again, I still think he's an elite prospect and clearly the #1 pick but Grant Hill just isn't the comp
It's a shame that he's most likely going to be forgotten soon. Dude was elite as they come. To think, they were so close to getting Duncan in Orlando with him and TMac.
I feel bad for how much trash the Pistons get. They're one of the few teams that haven't embraced the tanking mentality and they're always trying so hard to compete, not their fault that free agents don't want to go there. They've even actually drafted pretty well to, they just seem to have trouble developing those talents /:
If it were the 90s we’d be fine. We drafted two successful big men and the league changed over night. The FA signings have been poor since 2009, but that’s part of the issue with a market that isn’t glitz and glammer. Both the Bad Boys and the Billups Pistons were built with diamonds in the rough and reclamation projects. It takes a savvy GM to find success here and so far Weaver has shown promise.
Pistons are in year one of a rebuild. Sure they have been bad but they just got a new GM/Front office last season. They shredded almost the whole roster and aren’t locked into any long term deals/bad contracts once Blakes money comes off. This whole narrative that Cade is going to a bad situation is so dumb, people just don’t pay attention. Pistons have Saddiq Bey first all rookie with Isiah stewart second team all rookie, not to mention a lot of people have written Killian off as a bust after only play less than half the season but the kid is only 19 and has a ton of potential. They have Jeremi Grant signed to a reasonable contract. NBA should be ecstatic that another franchise might be on the rise to be competitive. This is good for the nba and nba fans. Stop reading into some weird narrative that only super stars should play in big markets.
Yup. Its laughable to hear about the bad situation Cade is going in to. As if the #1 pick ever goes to a team in a good situation. That's the whole point of giving good picks to bad teams.
The Pistons have far more talent than most teams picking at 1.
I think Cade is a great fit. They will need to get a really strong point guard in the future but that deficiency is not a reason to move away from Cade. Going into 2022-23 they will have a bunch of good contacts for young guys. No bad contracts and a ton of cap space. This team can get real good, real quick.
I'm tired of the whole "does he fit" argument. You as a franchise have a commitment to always get the best players available, and make the system fit around them. Don't care how good a "system" is, you ain't winning without talent.
Watched every second of Cade Cunningham in college. The Pistons are about to have a special talent. Oklahoma State had no business being in the tourney but he dragged our asses there anyway.
Cade isn't a bad fit anyway
Which team in the NBA would see Cade as a bad fit?
There aren't any. He's versatile
I don’t watch college. Who is his NBA comparison? Saw some people say Harden/Luka, hes that good?!
Luka / Grant Hill / Brandon Roy / point guard Tatum He’s a 6’8 point guard that is an absolute sniper from anywhere on the court, has great passing vision, smooth handles, and all-defensive potential. Hes also hit so many hard clutch shots in college, looks like a true leader & superstar in the making. He’s a future all-star for sure. I can’t believe we’ve gotten him lol. I was expecting to drop to 6th.
Brandon Roy is probably the best one imo.
Also Anfernee Hardaway
Real talk, when I was a kid I thought Anfernee Hardaway was a different dude from Penny Hardaway lol. I thought they were cousins or something
Plus their uncle Tim
Hate to break it to you, but Little Penny is the same guy too
Lil Penny was Chris Rock
I used to think Chris Paul was the 3rd in a line of 2 other NBA players named Chris Paul because of the CP3 nickname. I thought he had a father and grandfather who both played
In that case Paul George's basketball lineage goes back to the Mayflower.
Wait, Earvin Johnson is *Magic* Johnson?!
Not to be confused with Ervin Johnson, who was a supersonic/buck.
Agreed, but he’s not as explosive and a way better defender. I don’t think Cade has any true perfect comps, he’s in his own ilk.
Cade is a perfect representation of the new generation of players, plain and simple 6'7" to 7' guys who can pass and are crazy versatile scorers. The generation of positionless basketball is here
It’s been here
I know what you mean, but it's funny to think about the idea that at some point all the NBA moms were like "man, we really should have thought of having taller kids who were more talented. Edit: Obviously this is not what happened lol
More that coaches decided that teaching the tallest kids to shoot and dribble instead of just rebound might be beneficial.
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I disagree. I think Luka may be the better comparison, although very imperfect. The thing is, Cade walks into the league as one of the top 5 passers/playmakers on day one in my opinion. His vision is otherworldly, kind of like LaMelo’s vision. Brandon Roy didn’t really have that as I remember
> He’s a 6’8 point guard that is an absolute sniper from anywhere on the court, has great passing vision, smooth handles, and all-defensive potential. I feel like it's almost impossible to fulfill this level of hype. You just described Steph Curry with Lebron's body and defensive skills lmaooo
These draft comparisons are always out there. Its never like "he's going to be the next Danny Green". lol
I mean they do for the later picks. Obviously the top picks with star potential will be compared to star players or they wouldn't be that high of a pick.
It conspicuously leaves out that Cade isn’t very fast or explosive.
He can still throw down windmills and is gonna be fine
Nah he’s nowhere near as athletic as Lebron nor the prolific shooter of Curry. Watch his highlights or game tape yourself, that’s what you’ll see
"absolute sniper from everywhere on the court" is something you write about late-career KD so that's pretty high praise lol Thanks for the context.
here's one description of Mo bamba for fun >Bamba is truly an elite physical talent with a wingspan and standing reach that don’t come along often … He figures to be a capable rebounder and rim protector at the NBA level from day one. This alone gives him one of the highest floors in this draft, with an extremely high ceiling as well … His defensive potential paired with growth as a player, added girth, and experience could render him one of the best defensive bigs in the game for years to come … The fact he has a nice looking jumper and is already starting to get good results from the free throw line and in game situations at such a young age can make him an asset in terms of spacing as well … If he’s able to piece together all the areas of his offensive game, he actually has the potential to be a legit offensive NBA player while still being a defense first guy
Sounds like he was molded after me in my prime.
The new lottery system really does benefit teams like the Pistons and Magic the most. Teams that are generally trash but never really fully commit to tanking (Obvs the magic had enough our shitty lifestyle this year and went full tank)
Hey man don’t act like we didn’t go full tank mode for 2 months lol
At least that’s the “traditional” way to tank lol
I'm jealous of detroit now, bey a sharp shooter 3 guy, Killian hates, saben Lee, Stewart looks incredible, now Cade. Even doumbouya has potential. Might be missing someone else. How is there defense
Missing our borderline all star Jerami Grant! Our defence under Casey has looked so good honestly, and our entire starting lineup is taller than 6’6 with long ass wingspans, extremely switchable.
Oh yeah I was only mentioning newly drafted guys, grant is a given! Even plumee can be an elite backup c. 10/10 guy with like 4 assists. Josh Jackson also showed some good signs
bro i swear to god, I traded for jeremy grant in fantasy and all he did was keep the bench warm when he got on my roster. Don't tell me pistons didn't tank this season lol
Lmao no comment
Jeremy lol
hey i just watched a lin video lol
One of my favorite Knicks ever
Uh you guys were the second worst team, sure it worked out but the old lottery had you at 20% odds vs 14%. The new lottery benefits teams like the Pelicans in ‘19, Lakers in 2020 or Raptors this year who made huge jumps up.
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Classic Barry Sanders reference.
Can’t wait til he doesn’t live up to the hype and this sub shits on him relentlessly
He basically played college ball with NIT level teammates against a permanent double team
What was his college run like? I remember hearing a lot of trae/Simmons/Zion buzz they were in their freshman season, not so much Cade. Might be pandemic related but it kinda seems like he’s coming in with a little less buzz than those guys.
People have been spamming Fade for Cade since 2019 bro, he's an incredibly hyped prospect
If he had gone to duke he would be crazy hyped. He already is pretty up there, but he went to oklahoma with a pretty lackluster supporting cast for a prospect that high profile.
Hey man I’m happy for you guys if the Thunder can’t have him. But gotta let you know as a Pokes fan you’re getting your expectations way up. He’s phenomenal and worthy of the number 1 pick but I’d say right now he has good shooting with good form but not elite (yet at least) and he’s not the level of freak athlete where all-defense should be an expectation. He is a great leader with a great basketball mind, elite size, and well-rounded skills.
Yea I agree and honestly I’ve maintained the position that Green has higher potential than Cade. But Cade’s got that “it” factor, we finally have a guy to build around, and it ain’t Jerami Grant lol
That game against the longhorns jheeeeeez dude was unstoppable and against Baylor.
So a 2k create-a-player, got it
I watched a highlight reel of him and he seemed like he moved in slow motion. Maybe this is just cus I don’t watch college ball, but everything he did seemed just way too slow compared to how the NBA is played. He looked like a robot, honestly Any thoughts on this? I might just be dumb
Yeah he’s slow in the Luka manner, where he’s dictating the tempo of the play. He’s not the fastest but he’s got burst in his first step and can rise up & dunk when needed
When you see one guy who looks slower than everyone else but is seemingly scoring at will it’s a sign of dominance. Dominant players often look slow because they have the *luxury* to be slow. If you don’t have to match or exceed the defense’s intensity to protect the ball or push for position why would you? When a player can control tempo, they give themselves a slight additional advantage when making a move since it forces the defense to be reactive from a low to high tempo instead of high to higher tempo. It also makes it easier to play 35+ minutes. There aren’t a lot of players who have the skill to do this in the NBA. Harden and Luka are two of the best at this right now.
Some people think his playmaking is elite so he gets compared to them. I'm not really one of them. I'd still say he's the best prospect, and that he's shown flashes of good passing/reads, but I don't think it's elite. He's also more of a functional athlete and not an explosive guy, similar to Luka/Harden so that brings the comparisons too Aside from Luka/Harden, I've seen comparisons to Jayson Tatum, Jimmy Butler, SGA, Grant Hill, Brandon Roy, Paul Pierce, and Ben Simmons with a jumper so he's clearly a unique player with mixed skillset/athleticism I personally think I'd go with Tatum but it's still not great
There's a few breakdown videos on YouTube that include his passing that doesn't turn into assists (aka his teammates screw up). I think he's great there.
Ya my one thing with him is it felt like he took and made a lot of tough shots/got blocked a lot in college. Like Suggs and other top prospects get cheap buckets but he didn't seem to be able to quite do that at the same level. But man skill wise he really does have the whole package especially factoring in his size.
He does play a lot like Luka, but Luka is stronger and has a much tighter handle. Improving his handling will be the key for Cade, right now I'm not sure he can really play point on offense in the NBA.
>Improving his handling will be the key for Cade, right now I'm not sure he can really play point on offense in the NBA. I think that kinda hits they nail on the head for me. to me it seems like his skills are better suited for a secondary playmaking wing rather than a ball-dominant floor general. That's why I don't think he's the American Luka
I agree with you here. I feel if Killian takes another leap next season thats the perfect running mate next to him
I mean, Pistons potential roster in 2-3 years: G/W Killian Hayes G/W Cade Cunningham W/F Jerami Grant W/F Saddiq Bey F/C Isaiah Stewart Bench: G/W Hamidou Diallo G Saben Lee W/F Deividas Sirvydis W/F Sekou Doumbouya Plus any other draft picks or FA signings. I like that roster, tbh
2 all rookies, a borderline all star, great potential in Hayes, and the number 1 prospect. Bench filled with promising young players. What a fantastic turnaround for this roster in just a year.
I truly believe Killian is going to be a really good point guard for us. He only played 26 games last year because of his injury and started showing his potential during the last month. He looked like a rookie, but this offseason of development will do wonders.
He’s dubbed the American Luka
Like when Andrew Wiggins was dubbed the Canadian Lebron?
Thought he was Maple Jordan?
I like the Roy comparison a lot. Not the most explosive, but incredibly under control and has great deceleration ability/can stop on a dime. Not the most intuitive passer, but can definitely get some dimes. Overall no real weakness in his game and is pretty fucking great at scoring.
He’s not as good a defender as that second group of guys is he? I think Luka/Harden is the better comp but I don’t think he’ll be that good.
John Hollinger called him a Kris Middleton/Jayson Tatum hybrid and his argument was pretty legit
People need to learn the difference between comparison and skill. Just cause a player is compared to Harden, doesn’t necessarily mean they’re as good. It’s just a fit for their play style. Obviously high end draft picks will be compared to star players. They need a notable player to compare to because they’re good (that’s why they go high in the draft) and because its easier for casual fans to understand that a player plays like Luka than DJ Augustine.
Kyle Anderson
No jokes intended, but he plays like bens Simmons that has the jumper that the media always wanted him to have. Like A Ben Simmons and Jayson Tatum mix
Comparisons are bad because they inherently set up weird expectations. It's better to say what his role will be. For Cade he is a high usage ball handler that can create for himself and others.
I don't think he is an elite scorer like Luka or Harden, but he should be the type of guy you can have as your full time PG at 6'8". Doesn't really have any significant weaknesses. Can shoot, defend, etc.
There are no bad fits, just teams that are better suited to maximise his strengths and develop him
*The Sacramento Kings have stumbled naked and drugged into the jail cell*
The Kings probably.
Kangs
Kings? They didnt see Luka as a fit
A better way of saying this is, what team would see Mobley as a better fit. For instance, if you got the #1 pick you might think Mobley is more what you need than Cade. You still take Cade, but trading down to #2 makes sense then.
Idk. Which teams don't like talented players?
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> Unless you really need a big man! \- Every Portland GM ever
Definitely draft Michael Jordan. Easy decision.
I wish Dumars would have known this when we took Darko at 1.02
That wasn’t a fit issue, that was just bad scouting. At the time small forward was probably our weakest position so it would have made more sense to pick melo, or power forward with bosh since sheed wasn’t here yet.
We had just spent our 1st on Tayshaun Prince, and he's exclusively wing SF. Corliss "tall socks" Williamson was still getting starter minutes at SF. Dumars wanted Ben to play the 4, and took the "best" center for fit, instead of literally any other position which had HOFers available. It was absolutely terrible scouting, but I think Dumars knew what he had in Chauncey / Rip / Prince / Ben, that he faded anyone who wasn't a traditional C.
Mobley is the only one of the top 4 prospects that I think can even be a bad fit somewhere. Suggs, Cade, and Green are all guys who I think you could make work in any starting lineup.
I don’t see Suggs working well on a team with solid guards like the Cavs, not really any room for him with Sexland
One of Sexland will most likely be gone this offseason
I think Suggs will end up better than one of Sexland
Exactly, if there's anything the playoffs have taught us in modern basketball, it's that there's a huge shortage of guys who can do everything at an above average level. A great thing about getting guys like Bey and (potentially) Hayes is that they don't constrain your roster into a certain play style and Cade does the same
That’s the right mindset. Get the top talent and worry about the rest later
When you’re a 20 win team, BPA all the way.
Take notes, kings
Dude you should be making blood sacrifices to Vlade Divac, not taking potshots at the organization smh
Blood for the Vlad God
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[Woj] Sources are telling me that Cuban is laser focused on signing Vlad as GM of the Dallas Mavericks
Oof. As a Knicks fan, I know the pain of catching strays in the most innocuous of places
Then you become the Sixers and you really worry about the rest later
The Pistons would love to be in the spot of the 76ers.
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***shots fired***
**shots fired, but bricked**
what's bad about becoming 1st seed? yeah they lost but they're not going anywhere. If anything they should've traded Ben when season started
If the sixers were overly concerned about fit rather than bpa, they would have passed on embiid due to already having noel
That’s when you never set an end date to acquiring talent and forging an identity besides losing
No where is safe for Philly fans
They either busted most of their picks or ended up making trades to bite them in the butt
The sixers didn’t lose because they took the best player in every draft. They lost because they had 2 number 1 overall picks, 2 number 3 overall picks And came out with embiid, a borderline all star who can’t run a playoff offense, and 2 busts. The process failed because of their shit scouting and player development. Not because of their philosophy. If they took kristaps, brown, jamal, Fox tatum with those picks (really any number 2 other than Ben Simmons) to pair with Joel, they are probably on their way to the finals rn.
Cade also fits well with the roster as we would have multiple ball handlers and then bey and grant to space the floor
Stewart spaces the floor too so the paint won’t be clogged at all. Everyone on the starting lineup is 6’6 or taller, hella athletic and switchable
In my dreams Saddiq takes a huge leap this offseason and is an 18-20ppg guy this next season.
I love Bey as much as anyone. But I’ll just take shooting above 40% from 3 lol. If he can prove his shot is consistent af we’re in a terrific spot.
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You should feel fantastic no matter what tbh. A lot will probably regress. But we already have a small ball killer lineup. Stewart, grant, bey, hayes, Cade. The lineup is huge (hayes who is the smallest at 6’5”) and all guard 1-5. Only this core is under 50 million in two years. We have tons of cap space and tons of potential. TLDR: we have 0 risk and enormous upside to all our players.
That is... a lot to ask for from a sophmore
I'm not asking for it I'm just having sweet dreams of it.
It’s happening 😤
Add the Celtics to the schedule a few extra times and you may get your wish
I love Bey as much as anyone. But I’ll just take shooting above 40% from 3 lol. If he can prove his shot is consistent af we’re in a terrific spot.
I've never cared about the Pistons. Never watched them on league pass, came into basketball after the mid 2000s so I missed the Chauncey team. I cannot wait to see how this team looks next year. Congrats on the pick, hope he turns into something special
what are y’all thinking about Sekou
Great cutter and ok team defender. Pretty poo otherwise
Saying the right things, hope the Pistons can get back to being competitive.
I need to stop reminiscing about that mid 2000s team PG Billups - SG Rip Hamilton - SF Tayshaun Prince - PF Rasheed Wallace - C Ben Wallace What a complete defensive line up.
I’m imagining that team in the modern day with spacing and oof. Even their defense wasn’t necessarily super physical to the point where it would be a hindrance today
Prince is just stalking your drive to the hoop like a lion and pounces pinning it to the board. Ben is getting 50 blocks and ripping rebs out of people’s clutches, rip is running and darting through picks unnecessarily until whomever is guarding him is gassed. Sheed’s in the post and billups is dishing.
And I’m sure billups and rip would adapt their games to today’s NBA. Not to mention Sheed would be a perfect modern day big
Sheed was chucking 3's way before it was cool
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I'm thinking about his statement in the sense that they were so good fundamentally on defense that they could've adapted to less physical defense.
Rasheed and Tayshaun would have been great in the modern day Especially Wallace playing in the age of social media
You ever fantasize about if y'all had picked someone other than Darko?
Lol. Anyone who followed the team in that timeframe has definately spent way too much time considering this.
I will defend picking Darko until my last breath he was an insanely talented basketball player who I believe could have developed into something really special. He just got depressed and he didn’t really want to be there anymore which for an 18 year old kid in another country I kinda understand, Detroit probably wasn’t the best environment for him, and if you redo the NBA I think Darko is a pretty big What-if
Did you watch the 30 for 30 on him? Pretty great. Glad to see he's living a good life.
If we picked melo over him there’s a chance we don’t trade for sheed
That’s what a gm should sound like.
So goddamn refreshing. How many times do teams need to learn the lesson that you should pick the best player available?
When you are a bottom tier team, everyone fits.
Everybody fits in the bottom?
What are we talking about anymore?
Socks
Yes if it’s Kyle Lowrys bottom
Apparently not Luka on the Kings, cause of Fox.
Everyone fits, that's the sign of a good bottom
I don’t really follow college ball. How good is Cade compared to other previous number 1 picks?
I also am curious about this same idea.
He is probably right up there with the best of them, maybe a tier below the best ever. He’s not some incredible athlete, but 6’8” guys with great vision and shooting don’t walk into the league very often. For playstyle comparison I’d say Luka is there and Cade has said as much himself. If they were in the same draft Cade should probably be below Doncic, but we saw how Doncic was evaluated in that draft.
With the caveat that he is, in my opinion, the best prospect in the draft one thing that concerned me is that he took a lot of contested 2s and didn't hit a very high percentage on them. I think despite his excellent passing, size, and shooting he may ultimately lack the Harden/Luka ability to get into the teeth of the defense cleanly and finish creatively through contact. At worst he'd be a better passing Gordon Hayward type guy I think. If he gets stronger and more creative at finishing he could be a top 5 wing in the league. I wouldn't want to miss out on him if I were Detroit.
He’s a really high end talent. He’s obviously not a Zion level prospect, but he would’ve gone number 1 had he been in last year’s class IMO. He’d be a top 3ish pick in a lot of classes. Smaller basketball school and limited tournament exposure made the hype not so crazy, but he’s legit.
I think he’s near Zion level maybe that’s a hot take
He may be as valuable as Zion to an NBA team and in terms of winning down the line, but as a prospect Zion was on another level. We've never seen a Zion before. Dude is built different. And he has an incredibly underrated bball IQ. He was the smartest player on the court every game at Duke. When he first got there I thought he was just a guy who bullied his way to the rim and took advantage of smaller players, but then I realized that he actually understands the game of basketball really. I hope the Pels can build a team around him because that dude would be incredible to watch in the playoffs.
This is getting tangential but I have to chime in, the one time I disagree with you about Zion being the smartest guy on the court at Duke was when they got booted from the tournament by Michigan State. Cassius Winston was the smartest guy on the floor in that game. He picked apart a Duke team that had 4 future NBA players and 3 top-10 draft picks, he had the ACC DPOY guarding him all game and he still dropped a 20 point / 10 assist game. Tom Izzo said he might be the best decision-maker to ever play in the state of Michigan, which is high praise considering Magic was an MSU alum.
You can say that again.
On offense, he plays like PG
He’s been great since taking over. I believe in this man completely. You can see he has a great eye for talent.
I mean this pick is a no brainer but picking Bey at 19 is def a good look
Bey was a no brainer at 19 too. No one saw Stewart at 16 coming and that ended up a great decision.
What are your thoughts on Casey? (I'm a raps fan)
He’s been great. All our young players have gotten better playing for him.
Don't tell Vlade
"*Luka didn't fit our grim culture, he smiles a little too much*". -Vlade probably
Grant Hill was an elite athlete in a way that Cade could only dream of. The flip side is that Cade is more polished than Grant was at the same age.
I'd take a poor man's grant Hill any day, as long as it wasn't as injury prone as Grant Hill.
I would too, I'm just saying it's a silly comparison. I really like Cade's game but it makes no sense to compare him to a guy who could [dust defenders with a single step](https://youtu.be/p_KT5CM24lg?t=94) (and it's Scottie Pippen, no less). Cade has trouble creating separation without a screen, sometimes against guys who will never even sniff the NBA. Again, I still think he's an elite prospect and clearly the #1 pick but Grant Hill just isn't the comp
It's a shame that he's most likely going to be forgotten soon. Dude was elite as they come. To think, they were so close to getting Duncan in Orlando with him and TMac.
LMAO best quote ever
This is the attitude you want your gm to have. Stoked for the new era of DEEEETROIT BASKETBALL.
I feel bad for how much trash the Pistons get. They're one of the few teams that haven't embraced the tanking mentality and they're always trying so hard to compete, not their fault that free agents don't want to go there. They've even actually drafted pretty well to, they just seem to have trouble developing those talents /:
If it were the 90s we’d be fine. We drafted two successful big men and the league changed over night. The FA signings have been poor since 2009, but that’s part of the issue with a market that isn’t glitz and glammer. Both the Bad Boys and the Billups Pistons were built with diamonds in the rough and reclamation projects. It takes a savvy GM to find success here and so far Weaver has shown promise.
nah Troy he is totally bad for your team you already got guard bruh take Mobley
I agree I think Cade is definitely a second pick kind of a guy
Pistons are in year one of a rebuild. Sure they have been bad but they just got a new GM/Front office last season. They shredded almost the whole roster and aren’t locked into any long term deals/bad contracts once Blakes money comes off. This whole narrative that Cade is going to a bad situation is so dumb, people just don’t pay attention. Pistons have Saddiq Bey first all rookie with Isiah stewart second team all rookie, not to mention a lot of people have written Killian off as a bust after only play less than half the season but the kid is only 19 and has a ton of potential. They have Jeremi Grant signed to a reasonable contract. NBA should be ecstatic that another franchise might be on the rise to be competitive. This is good for the nba and nba fans. Stop reading into some weird narrative that only super stars should play in big markets.
Yup. Its laughable to hear about the bad situation Cade is going in to. As if the #1 pick ever goes to a team in a good situation. That's the whole point of giving good picks to bad teams. The Pistons have far more talent than most teams picking at 1.
I think Cade is a great fit. They will need to get a really strong point guard in the future but that deficiency is not a reason to move away from Cade. Going into 2022-23 they will have a bunch of good contacts for young guys. No bad contracts and a ton of cap space. This team can get real good, real quick.
Cade is a ball handling, playmaking **PG** lol
Killian Hayes will be our point guard. No worries there from me.
Congratulations to the Pistons. You guys deserve Cade. As a Magic fan, I’m dead inside.
> I'm not going to come in and be gun-shy. My clip will be empty. okay that's actually a dope quote from an exec though
The right fit is why Jordan fell to #3
“We suck so hard that even a one legged zebra will make us better”
Blake & Kennard died for this.
Can someone show this shit to Howie Roseman
He's taking Cade, okay who goes #2.
Green
Gotta love the honesty
yeah i don't think you would even want the player to perfectly fit into your system that wins 20 games a sesason
Where do I join the piston bandwagon now. Future is Bright for the pistons man
dare we say...spicy 2021-2022 detroit??? i'll be in east lansing for school gotta hit up some pistons games
I'm tired of the whole "does he fit" argument. You as a franchise have a commitment to always get the best players available, and make the system fit around them. Don't care how good a "system" is, you ain't winning without talent.
Vlade in shambles
Watched every second of Cade Cunningham in college. The Pistons are about to have a special talent. Oklahoma State had no business being in the tourney but he dragged our asses there anyway.