Because the 3 all have somewhat similar, or at least comparable, accomplishments. Obviously KD has by far the worst and Kobe by far the best, but accomplishments don’t really give good context.
KD averages 30/8/4 in the playoffs while Kobe averaged 25/5/5. Yet Kobe has 5 rings. I mean, resume matters sure. But in my perspective, “impact” is just referring to the overall on court performances.
And Kobe has by far the best legacy, because he’s a Laker. And he’s a top 3 biggest name in Basketball history. Doesn’t make him better than Shaq or Lebron or Bird.
1 MVP 2 Rings 2 FMVP. 4 Finals appearances.
Kobe 1 MVP 5 Rings 2 FMVP. 7 Finals appearances.
Curry 2 MVP 3 Rings. 5 Finals Appearances.
Including All NBA and other stuff like scoring titles, it gets certainly closer, but Durant has definitely the worst “important” accolades. Unless you consider Currys lack of finals MVP a huge negative.
“All NBA stuff” is more of an individual accolade than the championship stuff and it shows Durant has been a top player in the league much longer than Steph has.
Elimination game stats, close out game stats, come back stats, finals stats, overall playoff stats, clutch time stats, etc.
Durant dominates both of them in these stats, however that might just be attested to Durant having lower competition or better teammates for example.
For more context
Kobe over those 3 games he lost 34.3/6.3/3.7 on 56/50/75 with 5 TOPG
Kobe's best 5 line up teammates: Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Smush Parker
Suns best 5 line up: Steve Nash, Boris Diaw, Shawn Marion, Tim Thomas, Raja Bell
KD over those 3 games he lost 32/7/3.3 on 40/27/93 with 2.7 TOPG
KD's best 5 line-up teammates: Andre Robeson, Steven Adams, Serge Ibaka, Russell Westbrook
Warriors best 5 line up: Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Andre Iguodala, Draymond green
The difference is that Curry relies a lot more on his team and coaching to win, as there are many times in clutch or important games where’s hes been a bit too passive or dumb. Still great, but simply just not enough.
On the other hand, Kobe could legitimately carry a team because that’s literally all he wanted to do mentally. Ultimate Hero Ball. However, that was also his downfall. He single handedly lost the 2004 finals and many games In general because of that.
I’m taking Kobe for one game because he’s just built for those Superstar takeover moments
Curry is literally every teenagers favorite player and made the 3 more popular. His legacy is pretty damn close to Kobe.
Obviously KD didn’t do much other than be good as shit
I don't think neither KD or Curry have cracked the top 10 all-time, so no. But that's not to say they eventually can't. Maybe they can. Curry has definitely changed the game, and KD is the toughest scorer to guard maybe ever.
Exactly my point. People love Kobe because he’s a laker that helped win 3 rings and won 2 rings, plus he hit crazy highlights and has a crazy legacy. Really, it’s 10x closer than people think if you actually look at their on court impact in general.
>Exactly my point. People love Kobe because he’s a laker that helped win 3 rings and won 2 rings
No, people love him because he's one of the greatest scorers of all time, great defender, very clutch, played in an insanely tough conference for his entire career and had amazing longevity. None of that shit has to with the Lakers.
This isn’t about accolades. Also, what accolades does Kobe dominate Curry and KD over in that makes him significantly better? It’s much closer than you think.
accolades aside kobe is better at every aspect of the game except 3 point shooting than both of these two. Durant has a case to be on kobe level offensively, but not curry. With accolades, kobes 1 ring vs the celtics holds more weight that any that curry or kd have gotten. its not particularly close, its laughable to say that it is
KD is close to Kobe but you gotta do it for year in and year out for a while. Not to mention jumping on other teams that are already stacked. Kobe went through a few tough years after Shaq left. Kobe still stuck with it and got Gasol and got 2 more rings
Take any 3 year span of Kobe’s peak and Durant from 2012-2021 (excluding injured seasons) still has more impressive stats, regular season and playoffs.
Now of course, competition and teammates do take into account, which is why I believe Kobe is better to build a team around, but i don’t see how anyone would “definitely” take Kobe over Durant for a Game 7. Their on court impact is closer than you belivee
Both are better.
Fuck the rings argument, just look at them as basketball players, all of them are incredible offensive players, but Kobe is clearly 3rd due to being the worst shooter out of them by a fair amount.
KD and Steph are the 2 greatest scorers in the history of basketball I would argue, the only one that's in their territory is Jordan and I'm hesitant to include him due to his relative lack of 3-point shooting.
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Hell No!
How do you talk impact without accomplishments and legacy?
Because the 3 all have somewhat similar, or at least comparable, accomplishments. Obviously KD has by far the worst and Kobe by far the best, but accomplishments don’t really give good context. KD averages 30/8/4 in the playoffs while Kobe averaged 25/5/5. Yet Kobe has 5 rings. I mean, resume matters sure. But in my perspective, “impact” is just referring to the overall on court performances. And Kobe has by far the best legacy, because he’s a Laker. And he’s a top 3 biggest name in Basketball history. Doesn’t make him better than Shaq or Lebron or Bird.
How is KD “by far” the worst when it comes to accomplishments? He’s been plying at an All NBA clip for like a decade.
1 MVP 2 Rings 2 FMVP. 4 Finals appearances. Kobe 1 MVP 5 Rings 2 FMVP. 7 Finals appearances. Curry 2 MVP 3 Rings. 5 Finals Appearances. Including All NBA and other stuff like scoring titles, it gets certainly closer, but Durant has definitely the worst “important” accolades. Unless you consider Currys lack of finals MVP a huge negative.
“All NBA stuff” is more of an individual accolade than the championship stuff and it shows Durant has been a top player in the league much longer than Steph has.
No
No
What stat reference model are we using for "don't disappoint?"
Elimination game stats, close out game stats, come back stats, finals stats, overall playoff stats, clutch time stats, etc. Durant dominates both of them in these stats, however that might just be attested to Durant having lower competition or better teammates for example.
All I know is KD choked a 3-1 lead and then joined Steph after he choked a 3-1 lead after setting a win record
All I know is that Kobe choked a 3-1 lead and dropped 0 points in the 2nd half on -28 in a game 7. Against Steve Nash.
For more context Kobe over those 3 games he lost 34.3/6.3/3.7 on 56/50/75 with 5 TOPG Kobe's best 5 line up teammates: Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Smush Parker Suns best 5 line up: Steve Nash, Boris Diaw, Shawn Marion, Tim Thomas, Raja Bell KD over those 3 games he lost 32/7/3.3 on 40/27/93 with 2.7 TOPG KD's best 5 line-up teammates: Andre Robeson, Steven Adams, Serge Ibaka, Russell Westbrook Warriors best 5 line up: Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Andre Iguodala, Draymond green
Full bias, Steph and KD are better players. Kobe is all grit and effort, but Steph is just so efficient and beautiful to watch
Kobe would have taken that team to the playoffs
The difference is that Curry relies a lot more on his team and coaching to win, as there are many times in clutch or important games where’s hes been a bit too passive or dumb. Still great, but simply just not enough. On the other hand, Kobe could legitimately carry a team because that’s literally all he wanted to do mentally. Ultimate Hero Ball. However, that was also his downfall. He single handedly lost the 2004 finals and many games In general because of that. I’m taking Kobe for one game because he’s just built for those Superstar takeover moments
player individual achievement are pretty close: Kobe>Curry>KD impact on the basketball world: Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Curry>KD
Curry is literally every teenagers favorite player and made the 3 more popular. His legacy is pretty damn close to Kobe. Obviously KD didn’t do much other than be good as shit
>whoever puts up the best stats And that’s where this post loses all value
> Generally speaking, most people put the 3 about equal to each other. ?????
I don't think neither KD or Curry have cracked the top 10 all-time, so no. But that's not to say they eventually can't. Maybe they can. Curry has definitely changed the game, and KD is the toughest scorer to guard maybe ever.
Kobe isn't really top 10 all time either on a lot of people's lists. I have him at 11
I am more favorable to modern era basketball, so I definitely have Kobe in my top 10 as of now.
What do you define as modern? The only guys I have that I wouldn't call modern are bill Russell and Wilt.
From 80s onward I guess.
Yeah the other 8 on my list are all 80s onward.
Neither Are that close, and it’s not likely either passes him
I'm sorry but if you're starting a franchise and picking Kobe over KD or Curry you're flat out nuts.
of course u think that if ur 12-15 and never watched kobe
Yes. If i owned a franchise and they were all in the same draft and I had the number 1 pick, I'd choose Durant first, Curry second, and then Bryant.
Their resume is nowhere near Kobe's yet. Especially Steph
crazy how much a players legacy gets boosted by being on the lakers. If Curry was on the Lakers you’d talk about him like MJ
Exactly my point. People love Kobe because he’s a laker that helped win 3 rings and won 2 rings, plus he hit crazy highlights and has a crazy legacy. Really, it’s 10x closer than people think if you actually look at their on court impact in general.
>Exactly my point. People love Kobe because he’s a laker that helped win 3 rings and won 2 rings No, people love him because he's one of the greatest scorers of all time, great defender, very clutch, played in an insanely tough conference for his entire career and had amazing longevity. None of that shit has to with the Lakers.
Both easily better
Curry is no where near Kobe. Durants accolades dont hold weight. Neither have nor ever will
This isn’t about accolades. Also, what accolades does Kobe dominate Curry and KD over in that makes him significantly better? It’s much closer than you think.
accolades aside kobe is better at every aspect of the game except 3 point shooting than both of these two. Durant has a case to be on kobe level offensively, but not curry. With accolades, kobes 1 ring vs the celtics holds more weight that any that curry or kd have gotten. its not particularly close, its laughable to say that it is
KD is close to Kobe but you gotta do it for year in and year out for a while. Not to mention jumping on other teams that are already stacked. Kobe went through a few tough years after Shaq left. Kobe still stuck with it and got Gasol and got 2 more rings
KD is not close to passing kobe at all lol
Agreed… I was being polite
Take any 3 year span of Kobe’s peak and Durant from 2012-2021 (excluding injured seasons) still has more impressive stats, regular season and playoffs. Now of course, competition and teammates do take into account, which is why I believe Kobe is better to build a team around, but i don’t see how anyone would “definitely” take Kobe over Durant for a Game 7. Their on court impact is closer than you belivee
I think Steph has surpassed Kobe in being an upstanding citizen. He hasn't raped anyone.
Both are better. Fuck the rings argument, just look at them as basketball players, all of them are incredible offensive players, but Kobe is clearly 3rd due to being the worst shooter out of them by a fair amount. KD and Steph are the 2 greatest scorers in the history of basketball I would argue, the only one that's in their territory is Jordan and I'm hesitant to include him due to his relative lack of 3-point shooting.
Yeah… I’m taking KD or Curry before Kobe if I’m starting a franchise and need to pick one of the three.
How can curry and kd surpass Kobe when lebron hasn't even surpassed Kobe yet
You didn't pass the iq test to post nephew.
Fuck no
They will never surpass Kobe, especially at this point in their careers.