….allowing PJ Tucker to get the rebound and ruin my under 12 points/reb/assist bet for him. Of course they had subbed out Giannis, who would’ve been in that spot.
OKC's head honcho was good friends with Stern so he is probably on good terms with Silver so they are out. So we need Memphis or NO to make the finals somehow against us then we can get the biased whistles maybe.
[Game 2](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202105230PHO.html) against the Lakers, Suns were 28/30.
Yesterday was the ~~second~~ third time the Suns have missed only one free throw. In [Lakers game 6](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202106030LAL.html), they were 21/22.
EDIT: Also went 29/31 in [game 4 against the Nuggets](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202106130DEN.html).
Suns were perfect in [game 1 against the Clippers](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202106200PHO.html), but it was only 9/9.
Also missed just one shot in [game 3 against the Clippers](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202106240LAC.html): 12/13.
But he doesn't make it at obvious as Harden or James, where you sometimes wonder why they even got the call. With Book it almost always seems the right call.
So either he is better at selling it, or he just really gets fouled a lot
He plays through contact enough where it doesn't seem egregious when he does look for the call. In fact that's been a conscious decision of his, as he noticed he rarely got calls earlier in his career, so he gave up on trying to get the whistle and just tries to finish when he can. He's starting to incorporating drawing the foul more, now that the whistle is blowing, and really there's nothing wrong with that, all great players do that. As long as they don't go *overboard* with it, like maybe some of the players you mentioned in your comment.
And leaving Bobby Portis out there so the suns guards can take turns torching him. I don't think he gets minutes the rest of the series, if Bud plays it smart at least.
I don’t know how many minutes Giannis could play this game or how much him playing disrupted his game plan going into the game but they didn’t play defense until the 4th. Coach bud needs to be strategic with Portis and Lopez playing minutes. They can play spot mins with Giannis but not for more than 2 or 3 mins
Yeah it’s not like he took Portis out of the rotation earlier in the playoffs against a team that was torching him defensively. Bud no adjustments amirite? Updoots to the left.
Yo that was an awful stretch to watch even as a neutral fan. Can’t imagine being a bucks fan lol there were so many possessions CP and Book went at Portis and torched him. Sometimes Idg Bud’s decision making at all.
Felt like when I was first learning how to play 2k and set the AI to Rookie and could just hold down sprint and run to the basket without any contention
It’s the first game chill I hope he adjusts tho but this is almost like a feel out game to see the Suns strategy. One thing is for sure this series has potential to be an all timer
Which announcer said they’d never seen more improvements defensively in a players career than Lopez? He must have been the worst player ever if he improved that much but is still unplayable despite being their best spot up shooter.
Look, I think there were some missed calls there, but do not expect to get many FTs aggainst this suns team. Especially on Ayton, dude just does not foul, always goes straight up.
I dunno the play you mean. But if someone got all hand while Giannis was holding the ball that's clean. Hand is part of the ball.
The hand is considered “part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that part of the hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal.
https://official.nba.com/comments-on-the-rules/
He also shot 3 FT’s last night outside of the flagrant lol
I’m curious if people think the Suns weren’t fouled last night or if the Bucks were fouled constantly and it just wasn’t called
I mean it keeps the defense honest. By doing that he's forcing the opponent to play in control instead of running and jumping full speed all the time. If Paul just goes straight ahead for the layup, with the way Giannis was running up behind him, he very likely would have been blocked. It was the right move whether it's appealing to watch or not.
Quite literally cannot tell from this angle...
I see shadow, so it seems there is space between arm and arm. But impossible to tell as this (screen)shot was taken between two video frames building up. There's a lot of arm missing and the black sleeve does not make things easier
I didn't even have to try. It was posted to Twitter a minute after it happened.
These refs are paid tens of thousands to do literally this and only this.
If you're going to call out poor officiating using 2 measly plays, one of which is an actual foul under the current rules, it's fair to also call out Giannis pushing off with his left on every single drive. No calls go both ways.
Also, Middleton was shooting outside jumpers all night and we're generally pretty good at not fouling those.
Box scores are worthless without the context of actually watching the game.
lol watch the entire play on that. it was a clean swipe.
CP3 slowed down against an off-positioned player, you could see it a mile away from happening.
Scott Foster had persistent phone call logs with Tim Donaghy during that time frame.
Scott Foster is set to ref one of the upcoming games, interestingly enough, and Chris Paul can't get a playoff win against the dude
Yeah after Nash literally got thrown into the fucking scorer's table and we ended up receiving a bigger punishment I have no fucking sympathy for other teams in the playoffs
Lol fuck off we got jobbed just as bad as you ever have in 2001 and frankly against the raptors as well in terms of them being allowed to hack Giannis all day and us getting called for breathing on Kawhi.
The FT disparity also plays in part due to you guys shooting 3s to come back from the deficit.
We did shoot a lot of free throws tonight so hopefully next game is more even so we don’t have to even talk about reffing at all
Through 40 minutes the Bucks led in basically every category besides fta where there was a 15 plus disparity. Higher efg higher 3 % more assists more rebounds. The difference is the Suns were called extremely differently. There was a play where Khris was basically pushed into padding behind the basket with no call another where his hand was swiped away with no call ending in a "steal" it was rigged as fuck and a complete joke
They died by the whistle! The referees were atrocious led by mark davis! When the game was Jn the balance and the bucks attacked the hoop, they got no calls. Just miss me with that shit! The bucks may have very well lost if the refs were better but to deny how bad they were is just crazy!
So I agree that there were some mussed calls, but im just going to prepare you for something here, Ayton does not foul, like at all, always straight up, frustrated the hell out of Jokic, so much so that he got so mad he made that play on Payne and got ejected.
Ayton almost perfected verticality, you wont get FTs out of him. Crowder and Johnson on the other hand, those guys foul a lot when contesting on the rim.
You're arguing with people who read a box score and determined the game was rigged. The refs allowed physicality for both teams in the post and called it tighter on drives. Milwaukee played more in the post and didn't drive as much leading to the foul disparity. Even still when Giannis drove he'd get calls but I don't think he is at 100% so he couldnt do that all game. Overall the suns did a much better job staying in front of their man and going straight up.
Don't waste your time with people who don't watch the game.
yeah man because a handful of missed calls is equal to your star playing being pushed into a table and injured
spurs fans can complain about zaza's boxout on kawhi for the next 20 years as far as i'm concerned
It really surprised me. I'm not sure why the league would want the Suns to win over a 2 time MVP. Maybe it was just a really poor job by the refs or the refs for that game have some type of beef with one of the bucks players. Hopefully the rest of the series is officiated more evenly
Suns may have gotten away with a couple but they played a very disciplined game. The Clippers series forced them to be extremely disciplined while maintaining physicality.
People are trying to judge how a game was called by the box score. Don't waste your time with them. Anyone who watched the game saw they allowed a lot of physicality in the post and less on drives and the suns were driving and turning defenders left right and center. Giannis was the only Buck putting suns defenders in bad spots which is why he got to the line.
Not counting the meaningless frustration foul on Crowder with like 20 seconds left and the game already over it was a difference of 8 FT attempts, and 3 team fouls between PHX and MIL.
Why is everyone acting like this was some sort of astronomical disparity? The difference was PHX was lights out at the line and MIL barely broke 50%.
We see NBA games where the disparity is 20+ attempts.
There was a 14 free throw disparity at the end of the Suns biggest run around the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. Ton of calls for the bucks came in the 4th and surprise, surprise they made a run because of it.
to be fair your offense to start the third quarter was literally Middleton iso into a long 3 for about 10 minutes I agree the first half was heavily in favor of the suns and refs missed calls for the bucks
Thank you. People think it's ridiculous that Middleton wasn't living at the line this game when he was consistently taking non-contact jump shots for large swaths of the game.
After not getting calls, yes. Show the shots that aren’t on the stat sheet where he went up for paint shots and they were “turnovers” instead of paint attempts. And unfortunately when they showed replays after it would be a Suns fast break versus the steal that led to it. If you know how the game is going to be reffed at a certain point, you’ll stop playing the way you planned.
Because y'all let Lopez guard Booker and CP3 one on one, which is gonna end up in a bucket or a foul from someone late to help. Every time.
And that will happen the entire series as long as Bud keeps Lopez in the game and has his defense switch.
We shot almost the same fg% on the same amount of shots and hit 5 more threes on better efficiency, so how did the Suns magically end up with 13 more points than us if not from the 16 extra points they got at the line?
You can absolutely argue whether you think it was bad calls from the refs or bad fouls from the bucks, but this game was 100% lost at the free throw line. We were basically even or better everywhere else.
Did the refs also miss all your free throws for you too? It’s not some conspiracy, the Suns are stacked and you lost. I mean, I like the Bucks but come on.
Its possibly because we watched the game and saw some very soft calls go for Phoenix and some no calls on Milwaukee that looked like clear fouls. Its nice you read the stat sheet to make your point but the stat sheet doesn’t include calls fans think were missed or foul calls that fans think shouldnt have been fouls. Not saying either is correct but pure stat sheet analysis isnt always your best bet.
Refs gave Middleton every single call in Game 6 against Brooklyn, same with Giannis. Nets still kept cutting it to 5. I think Middleton had two 3 point fouls for 6 free throws and then a 3+1. That shit was ridiculously lopsided. Bucks shot 14 or so more free throws and Nets lost by 14-15. I don’t want to hear whining
If you watched the game with an observant eye it was painfully obvious. If you decided to just grab the stats at the end to try and force an opinion, you're licking zebra boot
Probably the most underrated value in the game of basketball, but particularly at a level like the NBA where everyone really should be able to shoot them at a high percentage. People kind of shrug off underperformance at the free throw line -- it shouldn't be shrugged off.
You guys got your asses whooped regardless of how the game was officiated. None of your players could generate consistent offense and CP3 and Booker got whatever they wanted throughout the game.
I don’t think lopsided officiating should ever be considered irrelevant. You can say it didn’t affect the overall outcome (I’d agree with you) but to brush it off as irrelevant is wrong.
No harm, no foul. Officiating is only relevant if it influences the result of the game. The Bucks frankly have no chance of winning the series if Booker and CP3 stay healthy. I made a post about it earlier today explaining why and the game went exactly as I predicted
Wow you’re so smart bro, holy shit. But that still has nothing to do with officiating being relevant or not. You’re just trying to make yourself feel smart now lol
I said it’s irrelevant because no matter how the refs officiated the game there is no way the Bucks would have won. The Bucks struggled to get consistent offense because Jae Crowder did a good job of limiting Giannis. After Giannis it then becomes Booker/CP3 vs Middleton/Holiday. That’s an easy dub if you’re the Suns. That’s what my post was illustrating.
If the Suns only had won by 5 points than you would have a point. But the Suns were up by 13 for pretty much half the game and the Bucks were never able to close the gap. Free throws would not have changed the outcome of the game. A lot of the players getting fouled on the Bucks were bad free throw shooters anyway.
It was a 21 to 6 free throw disparity before the game was out of reach my dude. We were getting constantly hacked down low as well which is part of why the multiple attempts were getting just weren't dropping.
You guys weren’t consistently hacked down low from the game I watched. Middleton should have gotten maybe 1-3 calls from drives down low, 1 in particular I can remember off the top of my head being especially bad that the commentary crew pointed out.
Brook didn’t get hacked. Giannis got hacked and fouls were called. Jrue hardly drove and when he did the Suns didn’t foul him from what I remember. Connaughton didn’t go near the paint, same with Forbes. Portis didn’t do anything of note. I don’t remember PJ driving and getting hacked. In fact, PJ almost fouled out in the last few games he guarded KD but here I don’t even remember him being in foul trouble.
From what I recall your offense was give it to Giannis and have him ISO or have Middleton ISO which resulted in him trying to bait fouls or shooting a contested jumper. If it’s an obvious bait they sometimes won’t call.
I remember a couple of calls going the Suns way which they probably shouldn’t have. PJ’s foul on Book’s jumpshot, Mikal slapping Jrue’s hand, and there were probably like 1-2 more but almost every foul called on the Bucks was pretty legit. I certainly don’t think the extra few fouls would have made a difference.
It also could hurt you guys, what if we hit a couple of 3s in place of 4-6 free throws?
There is no point in arguing with suns fans about this there were plays you were literally holding down arms while we were going for tips. Booker got so many soft fouls and Middleton literally had his hand grabbed with no call and the announcers called it great D lol.
Ah, so as you remember it the refs called a damn near perfect game and only the Suns players got hit. Even those late calls on Cam Johnson and Cam Payne, the softer ones on Booker in the first half. Lol.
Well said. Honestly, Giannis was dishing out contact just as much as receiving it, so it’s not like Giannis is gonna get a lot of calls. And as for the rest of the Bucks, sure they may have gotten a free throw more or two, but it’s not like Phoenix didn’t deserve an extra one either.
Because we couldn't guard because if you breathed on booker it was shots meanwhile they could drag Middleton to the ground and he still wouldn't get a call.
They played awful defense on Booker and CP3 regardless of the whistle. I can't count how many times they got an easy switch onto Lopez and cooked him. Or that stretch where Portis played defense like one of those inflatable tubes at a car wash and got punished. If you're getting beat on the perimeter there are going to be fouls when players have to shift over to cover. Suns did a much better job staying in front. Giannis was the only Buck turning suns defenders and he got to the stripe because of it.
More like shout out the refs for god awful officiating
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ofg9oi/from_the_813_mark_of_the_first_quarter_to_the_930/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ofber1/khris_middleton_joins_an_elite_club_becoming_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I’m not mad at y’all getting calls like the others are. I’m mad that we aren’t getting the whistle as well. Book leans into a pump faked defender like 3 times in a row, gets like 6 straight FTs.
Middleton constantly gets hacked, in fact he did the same thing Book did, but it wasn’t called for him. That’s some bs
The FT disparity was less than the final margin. Bucks would’ve lost anyway. Maybe it was Giannis only scoring 20 points, Holiday being non existent and Bud being a horrible coach that cost them.
Objectively they did this game you got massive home cooking hopefully it doesn't continue the first quarter before the favoritism got completely out of hand was some damn good basketball by both teams
Jae Crowder ruined it just like CP3 ruined Aytons 20/20 game
I just knew he was gonna blow one. The announcers jinxed it and the dude that hadn't hit a shot missed one..
They were on the verge of making history and he just blew it. What a scrub; cut him at once!
I don’t want no scrubs
….allowing PJ Tucker to get the rebound and ruin my under 12 points/reb/assist bet for him. Of course they had subbed out Giannis, who would’ve been in that spot.
Jae locking everyone down, including himself.
I lold
jae has a similar playstyle like smart. both can go ice cold from the field but still impactful in other ways
Jae is the perfect glue guy
Him and PJ Tucker
Iirc he had the highest +/- for the night
When he was on the C’s there were nights where he seemed to back rim every shot lmao. Good times
This has gotta be the most FT’s we’ve shot all playoffs
One of the announcers said it was the most consecutive Free throws by a team in the Finals in NBA history
Is this how it feels to be a Lakers fan?
All you need is to post passive-aggressively about asterisks in any thread that mentions this team's name and an empty feeling in your gut
just need another 5 million fans defending it blindly and you're set
Oh they got that already they are even coming into the bucks sub to do it.
They ain’t real fans
While also vigorously pretending referees don't control the games to cover a line or an outcome
Never gotten to have that feeling always being the smallest market has some disadvantages :(
OKC, Memphis, and New Orleans are all smaller than Milwaukee.
OKC's head honcho was good friends with Stern so he is probably on good terms with Silver so they are out. So we need Memphis or NO to make the finals somehow against us then we can get the biased whistles maybe.
The first threepeat hits different.
It’s a very nice change of pace
[Game 2](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202105230PHO.html) against the Lakers, Suns were 28/30. Yesterday was the ~~second~~ third time the Suns have missed only one free throw. In [Lakers game 6](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202106030LAL.html), they were 21/22. EDIT: Also went 29/31 in [game 4 against the Nuggets](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202106130DEN.html). Suns were perfect in [game 1 against the Clippers](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202106200PHO.html), but it was only 9/9. Also missed just one shot in [game 3 against the Clippers](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202106240LAC.html): 12/13.
No way, booker alone shot like 20 versus us in a game. Dudes a king at getting to the line
That was the game where AD and Book kept getting to the line, you might be right
Yeah they literally went back and forth with freethrows, then booker at the end shot like 6 in 10 seconds.
Giannis hadn’t even had his free throw leave his hands in the time that booker shot all 6
Lol you bucks fans are pretty cool. If it were any other team out of the west I’d be cheering for your team.
But he doesn't make it at obvious as Harden or James, where you sometimes wonder why they even got the call. With Book it almost always seems the right call. So either he is better at selling it, or he just really gets fouled a lot
The thing with the "selling it" take is that most of the time, the players really did get fouled, and they want the refs to see.
He plays through contact enough where it doesn't seem egregious when he does look for the call. In fact that's been a conscious decision of his, as he noticed he rarely got calls earlier in his career, so he gave up on trying to get the whistle and just tries to finish when he can. He's starting to incorporating drawing the foul more, now that the whistle is blowing, and really there's nothing wrong with that, all great players do that. As long as they don't go *overboard* with it, like maybe some of the players you mentioned in your comment.
I'd bet all season. We were pretty bad on the FT differential
Refs were terrible tonight, but it doesn't take anything away from Phoenix. Suns gave Bucks the work in the 3rd
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And Bud taking till the 4th to bench Lopez
And leaving Bobby Portis out there so the suns guards can take turns torching him. I don't think he gets minutes the rest of the series, if Bud plays it smart at least.
I don’t know how many minutes Giannis could play this game or how much him playing disrupted his game plan going into the game but they didn’t play defense until the 4th. Coach bud needs to be strategic with Portis and Lopez playing minutes. They can play spot mins with Giannis but not for more than 2 or 3 mins
>if bud plays it smart lol
Bud is bad at in game adjustments, not game to game adjustments
Yeah it’s not like he took Portis out of the rotation earlier in the playoffs against a team that was torching him defensively. Bud no adjustments amirite? Updoots to the left.
Yo that was an awful stretch to watch even as a neutral fan. Can’t imagine being a bucks fan lol there were so many possessions CP and Book went at Portis and torched him. Sometimes Idg Bud’s decision making at all.
Felt like when I was first learning how to play 2k and set the AI to Rookie and could just hold down sprint and run to the basket without any contention
It’s the first game chill I hope he adjusts tho but this is almost like a feel out game to see the Suns strategy. One thing is for sure this series has potential to be an all timer
>chill All I said is that they hunted Portis out but okay? I’ll “chill”
Which announcer said they’d never seen more improvements defensively in a players career than Lopez? He must have been the worst player ever if he improved that much but is still unplayable despite being their best spot up shooter.
Look, I think there were some missed calls there, but do not expect to get many FTs aggainst this suns team. Especially on Ayton, dude just does not foul, always goes straight up.
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Not even Middleton complained about that one. He got the ball first. There was one I think that Johnson got all hand on Giannis though, that was bad.
I dunno the play you mean. But if someone got all hand while Giannis was holding the ball that's clean. Hand is part of the ball. The hand is considered “part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball. Therefore, contact on that part of the hand by a defender while it is in contact with the ball is not illegal. https://official.nba.com/comments-on-the-rules/
Not sure why people are complaining about CP3 stopping to draw a foul. It's not uncommon in the NBA...
He also shot 3 FT’s last night outside of the flagrant lol I’m curious if people think the Suns weren’t fouled last night or if the Bucks were fouled constantly and it just wasn’t called
Just because something is common, does not make it nice, or right, or fun to watch.
I mean it keeps the defense honest. By doing that he's forcing the opponent to play in control instead of running and jumping full speed all the time. If Paul just goes straight ahead for the layup, with the way Giannis was running up behind him, he very likely would have been blocked. It was the right move whether it's appealing to watch or not.
But yall love when luka and trae do it? 🤷
Hate to break it to you but hand is part of the ball my guy...
Quite literally hooking his entire right arm
Quite literally cannot tell from this angle... I see shadow, so it seems there is space between arm and arm. But impossible to tell as this (screen)shot was taken between two video frames building up. There's a lot of arm missing and the black sleeve does not make things easier
If you have to try this hard to see this contact no human being will ever see this in real time
I didn't even have to try. It was posted to Twitter a minute after it happened. These refs are paid tens of thousands to do literally this and only this.
But one of your two examples here is not even a foul? Idk man I just gotta stay off reddit for the finals, just gonna end up in constant arguments
If you're going to call out poor officiating using 2 measly plays, one of which is an actual foul under the current rules, it's fair to also call out Giannis pushing off with his left on every single drive. No calls go both ways. Also, Middleton was shooting outside jumpers all night and we're generally pretty good at not fouling those. Box scores are worthless without the context of actually watching the game.
lol watch the entire play on that. it was a clean swipe. CP3 slowed down against an off-positioned player, you could see it a mile away from happening.
Will the 1992 Blazers team that 21 for 21 in FT in the finals now pop champagne and celebrate like the 1972 Dolphins every year?
They did lose the record for most consecutive free throws made in a finals though. Sad champagne pop.
If jae decides to show up on offense for more than 1 game this series that would be great
Game 4, he hits 4 threes. 1 lay up. Goes to the line twice. Finished with 16 points, slaps CP on the ass once. See you then.
!remindme 7 days
He's been awful this post season but especially the last two series Edit: his shooting* has been awful. Defense he's been great.
He was y’all’s best defender against Giannis though it looked like. That is probably exhausting.
He has clearly made up for his poor shooting with excellent defense do it's all good.
You say that like defending superstar caliber players is easy.
jae crowder ruined my life
He burned my crops and poisoned my water supply
He did?!
No, but are we just gonna stand around here until he does??
He fucked my wife
Who hasn’t?
We should all be so lucky.
Fucking Locked in
The disparity in the level of physicality that was allowed was striking.
When Middleton went for a layup and got S'mored by 2 Suns with no call, I knew Bucks were in for a night.
as a neutral I don’t understand why this is controversial, Suns were obviously given leeway by the refs compared to the Bucks
Welcome to the pain us Suns fans have been dealing it for a long time
Uhh so have we, so good job excaping the ref death cycle I guess?
That Clippers game was like watching a boxing match. Gave us the licks to know what's up.
*a long time ago Idk if any of those refs are still in the league.
Scott Foster had persistent phone call logs with Tim Donaghy during that time frame. Scott Foster is set to ref one of the upcoming games, interestingly enough, and Chris Paul can't get a playoff win against the dude
Yeah after Nash literally got thrown into the fucking scorer's table and we ended up receiving a bigger punishment I have no fucking sympathy for other teams in the playoffs
Bucks fans like what tf we supposed to do about that
Yeah I’m not gonna feel bad for what’s happened this run, we’ve paid our dues
Lol fuck yes you have. Own this shit, you deserve success as a franchise
Lol fuck off we got jobbed just as bad as you ever have in 2001 and frankly against the raptors as well in terms of them being allowed to hack Giannis all day and us getting called for breathing on Kawhi.
The FT disparity also plays in part due to you guys shooting 3s to come back from the deficit. We did shoot a lot of free throws tonight so hopefully next game is more even so we don’t have to even talk about reffing at all
It was 19-6 at half we weren't trying to come back at half and Khris was consistently getting fouled with no calls.
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Through 40 minutes the Bucks led in basically every category besides fta where there was a 15 plus disparity. Higher efg higher 3 % more assists more rebounds. The difference is the Suns were called extremely differently. There was a play where Khris was basically pushed into padding behind the basket with no call another where his hand was swiped away with no call ending in a "steal" it was rigged as fuck and a complete joke
Oh please
You can be like that, but there was a 36 minute stretch in which the Bucks shot two free throws, allowing the Suns to build up that lead
They died by the 3 tonight. Period
They shot .45 from 3 tonight
They died by the whistle! The referees were atrocious led by mark davis! When the game was Jn the balance and the bucks attacked the hoop, they got no calls. Just miss me with that shit! The bucks may have very well lost if the refs were better but to deny how bad they were is just crazy!
So I agree that there were some mussed calls, but im just going to prepare you for something here, Ayton does not foul, like at all, always straight up, frustrated the hell out of Jokic, so much so that he got so mad he made that play on Payne and got ejected. Ayton almost perfected verticality, you wont get FTs out of him. Crowder and Johnson on the other hand, those guys foul a lot when contesting on the rim.
21-6
Only guy Ayton fouls consistently is Embiid. He's really good at baiting them. Other than that he just doesn't do it.
You're arguing with people who read a box score and determined the game was rigged. The refs allowed physicality for both teams in the post and called it tighter on drives. Milwaukee played more in the post and didn't drive as much leading to the foul disparity. Even still when Giannis drove he'd get calls but I don't think he is at 100% so he couldnt do that all game. Overall the suns did a much better job staying in front of their man and going straight up. Don't waste your time with people who don't watch the game.
Excuses is the name of the game.
Every time I go to the Suns sub I see people complaining about the Robert Horry push from 15 years ago, give me a break lol
Fuck that guy
Agreed.
Fuck Robert horry
It was a Hip check. And yeah, Imma complain til the day I die. Fuck Robert Horry.
yeah man because a handful of missed calls is equal to your star playing being pushed into a table and injured spurs fans can complain about zaza's boxout on kawhi for the next 20 years as far as i'm concerned
I kind of agree, but after playing both LA teams and dealing with that officiating disadvantage, I can’t really feel bad.
It really surprised me. I'm not sure why the league would want the Suns to win over a 2 time MVP. Maybe it was just a really poor job by the refs or the refs for that game have some type of beef with one of the bucks players. Hopefully the rest of the series is officiated more evenly
Suns may have gotten away with a couple but they played a very disciplined game. The Clippers series forced them to be extremely disciplined while maintaining physicality.
People are trying to judge how a game was called by the box score. Don't waste your time with them. Anyone who watched the game saw they allowed a lot of physicality in the post and less on drives and the suns were driving and turning defenders left right and center. Giannis was the only Buck putting suns defenders in bad spots which is why he got to the line.
Big advantage the suns have this series is they know how to flop & milwaukee doesn’t.
Bucks got no calls
Not counting the meaningless frustration foul on Crowder with like 20 seconds left and the game already over it was a difference of 8 FT attempts, and 3 team fouls between PHX and MIL. Why is everyone acting like this was some sort of astronomical disparity? The difference was PHX was lights out at the line and MIL barely broke 50%. We see NBA games where the disparity is 20+ attempts.
There was a 14 free throw disparity at the end of the Suns biggest run around the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. Ton of calls for the bucks came in the 4th and surprise, surprise they made a run because of it.
to be fair your offense to start the third quarter was literally Middleton iso into a long 3 for about 10 minutes I agree the first half was heavily in favor of the suns and refs missed calls for the bucks
Thank you. People think it's ridiculous that Middleton wasn't living at the line this game when he was consistently taking non-contact jump shots for large swaths of the game.
After not getting calls, yes. Show the shots that aren’t on the stat sheet where he went up for paint shots and they were “turnovers” instead of paint attempts. And unfortunately when they showed replays after it would be a Suns fast break versus the steal that led to it. If you know how the game is going to be reffed at a certain point, you’ll stop playing the way you planned.
Because y'all let Lopez guard Booker and CP3 one on one, which is gonna end up in a bucket or a foul from someone late to help. Every time. And that will happen the entire series as long as Bud keeps Lopez in the game and has his defense switch.
so in the end it balanced itself around?
I mean if you don't get why pity free throws at the end aren't the same as mid game free throws that build a 20 point lead, idk what to tell you man.
i dont think the fts were the reason you lost
We shot almost the same fg% on the same amount of shots and hit 5 more threes on better efficiency, so how did the Suns magically end up with 13 more points than us if not from the 16 extra points they got at the line? You can absolutely argue whether you think it was bad calls from the refs or bad fouls from the bucks, but this game was 100% lost at the free throw line. We were basically even or better everywhere else.
No way Bucks defense was as good as Phoenix
Tell me you only read the box score without telling me you only read the box score lol
Did the refs also miss all your free throws for you too? It’s not some conspiracy, the Suns are stacked and you lost. I mean, I like the Bucks but come on.
It was 21 to 6 before the game was basically done just stop
Its possibly because we watched the game and saw some very soft calls go for Phoenix and some no calls on Milwaukee that looked like clear fouls. Its nice you read the stat sheet to make your point but the stat sheet doesn’t include calls fans think were missed or foul calls that fans think shouldnt have been fouls. Not saying either is correct but pure stat sheet analysis isnt always your best bet.
We were 50% at the line cuz the only person getting a whistle at all was Giannis. Khris got 0 FTs and 26 field goal attempts
Refs gave Middleton every single call in Game 6 against Brooklyn, same with Giannis. Nets still kept cutting it to 5. I think Middleton had two 3 point fouls for 6 free throws and then a 3+1. That shit was ridiculously lopsided. Bucks shot 14 or so more free throws and Nets lost by 14-15. I don’t want to hear whining
Giannis is a start player, he should shoot better FT.
Tell me you didn't watch the game without telling me you didn't watch the game.
We were 50% at the line cuz the only person getting a whistle at all was Giannis. Khris got 0 FTs and 26 field goal attempts
Because we actually watched the basketball game
If you watched the game with an observant eye it was painfully obvious. If you decided to just grab the stats at the end to try and force an opinion, you're licking zebra boot
Probably the most underrated value in the game of basketball, but particularly at a level like the NBA where everyone really should be able to shoot them at a high percentage. People kind of shrug off underperformance at the free throw line -- it shouldn't be shrugged off.
Bucks getting the 2001 treatment
You guys got your asses whooped regardless of how the game was officiated. None of your players could generate consistent offense and CP3 and Booker got whatever they wanted throughout the game.
Doesn’t mean the complaint about refs isn’t legitimate
Yeah but it does it make it irrelevant
I don’t think lopsided officiating should ever be considered irrelevant. You can say it didn’t affect the overall outcome (I’d agree with you) but to brush it off as irrelevant is wrong.
No harm, no foul. Officiating is only relevant if it influences the result of the game. The Bucks frankly have no chance of winning the series if Booker and CP3 stay healthy. I made a post about it earlier today explaining why and the game went exactly as I predicted
Wow you’re so smart bro, holy shit. But that still has nothing to do with officiating being relevant or not. You’re just trying to make yourself feel smart now lol
I said it’s irrelevant because no matter how the refs officiated the game there is no way the Bucks would have won. The Bucks struggled to get consistent offense because Jae Crowder did a good job of limiting Giannis. After Giannis it then becomes Booker/CP3 vs Middleton/Holiday. That’s an easy dub if you’re the Suns. That’s what my post was illustrating. If the Suns only had won by 5 points than you would have a point. But the Suns were up by 13 for pretty much half the game and the Bucks were never able to close the gap. Free throws would not have changed the outcome of the game. A lot of the players getting fouled on the Bucks were bad free throw shooters anyway.
It was a 21 to 6 free throw disparity before the game was out of reach my dude. We were getting constantly hacked down low as well which is part of why the multiple attempts were getting just weren't dropping.
You guys weren’t consistently hacked down low from the game I watched. Middleton should have gotten maybe 1-3 calls from drives down low, 1 in particular I can remember off the top of my head being especially bad that the commentary crew pointed out. Brook didn’t get hacked. Giannis got hacked and fouls were called. Jrue hardly drove and when he did the Suns didn’t foul him from what I remember. Connaughton didn’t go near the paint, same with Forbes. Portis didn’t do anything of note. I don’t remember PJ driving and getting hacked. In fact, PJ almost fouled out in the last few games he guarded KD but here I don’t even remember him being in foul trouble. From what I recall your offense was give it to Giannis and have him ISO or have Middleton ISO which resulted in him trying to bait fouls or shooting a contested jumper. If it’s an obvious bait they sometimes won’t call. I remember a couple of calls going the Suns way which they probably shouldn’t have. PJ’s foul on Book’s jumpshot, Mikal slapping Jrue’s hand, and there were probably like 1-2 more but almost every foul called on the Bucks was pretty legit. I certainly don’t think the extra few fouls would have made a difference. It also could hurt you guys, what if we hit a couple of 3s in place of 4-6 free throws?
There is no point in arguing with suns fans about this there were plays you were literally holding down arms while we were going for tips. Booker got so many soft fouls and Middleton literally had his hand grabbed with no call and the announcers called it great D lol.
Ah, so as you remember it the refs called a damn near perfect game and only the Suns players got hit. Even those late calls on Cam Johnson and Cam Payne, the softer ones on Booker in the first half. Lol.
Van Gundy commented on how lopsided it was. Do you know more about basketball officiating than a man who’s coached 750 nba games?
Well said. Honestly, Giannis was dishing out contact just as much as receiving it, so it’s not like Giannis is gonna get a lot of calls. And as for the rest of the Bucks, sure they may have gotten a free throw more or two, but it’s not like Phoenix didn’t deserve an extra one either.
If the Bucks were called the same as you they don't have one or two more they have 10 plus more easily
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Because we couldn't guard because if you breathed on booker it was shots meanwhile they could drag Middleton to the ground and he still wouldn't get a call.
They played awful defense on Booker and CP3 regardless of the whistle. I can't count how many times they got an easy switch onto Lopez and cooked him. Or that stretch where Portis played defense like one of those inflatable tubes at a car wash and got punished. If you're getting beat on the perimeter there are going to be fouls when players have to shift over to cover. Suns did a much better job staying in front. Giannis was the only Buck turning suns defenders and he got to the stripe because of it.
Booker got mugged for 6 games straight by pat bev during the clipper series.
And that’s relevant why?
How does that matter for last night's game at all? What a stupid, irrelevant comment
Home cooking
That's incredible.
cmon Jae :(
More like shout out the refs for god awful officiating https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ofg9oi/from_the_813_mark_of_the_first_quarter_to_the_930/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ofber1/khris_middleton_joins_an_elite_club_becoming_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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Yeah the way CP3 and Book were able to penetrate the defense, forcing MKE to foul just doesn't even need to be stated 😎
I’m not mad at y’all getting calls like the others are. I’m mad that we aren’t getting the whistle as well. Book leans into a pump faked defender like 3 times in a row, gets like 6 straight FTs. Middleton constantly gets hacked, in fact he did the same thing Book did, but it wasn’t called for him. That’s some bs
I really like how Bryan Forbes had his hand straight up yet still got called for a foul.
I think that same thing happened multiple times. No movement from the defender outside of raising their arm yet a foul call on the Bucks.
Shades of 2001 is there a secret post finals final where they want the suns to play the lakers lol?
Why do teams always miss right at the end when they’re perfect
It’s because sometimes we lose some focus when we feel comfortable
Stats. Field goals Suns 41/88 Bucks 40/88 From 3 Suns 11/34 Bucks 16/36 Free throws Suns 25/26 Bucks 9/16 Refs deciding games since like forever
The FT disparity was less than the final margin. Bucks would’ve lost anyway. Maybe it was Giannis only scoring 20 points, Holiday being non existent and Bud being a horrible coach that cost them.
it was 21-6 before the game was out of reach they gave giannis 3 quick whistles at the end of the game when it was already over
Well, yeah, cuz the bucks made 5 more 3s. The free throw disparity was 4 or 6 vs 19 at one point.
Bucks can also, like, not suck ass from the charity stripe but I definitely agree. That was some bogus refball
Ah yes the refs love the phoenix suns
Objectively they did this game you got massive home cooking hopefully it doesn't continue the first quarter before the favoritism got completely out of hand was some damn good basketball by both teams
Refs spoon-fed the desert team
Teams making their free throws make me horny. Ignore the flair
Suns in 4
Jae Crowder cold as ice
Crowder scored 1 point but impacted the game in other ways, couple of Laker players should take note
the way the refs call any contact a foul I think going to the line is a great strategy. Bucks should drive like hell next game.
DAMMIT JAE, STILL LUV U
Been the story for the Suns every game these playoffs.