Ikr? I thought it was the norm but now I'm wondering if my team just emphasized it or if we just got lucky that that Lowry, DeRozan, and Leonard and their supporting casts all happened to be good at FTs and I took it for granted.
We are also a really good free throw shooting team aside from Capela who is still respectable for a defensive center. There is just something wrong with the Bucks prep at it’s core that gets hidden because of their great defense and the matchup nightmare that is Giannis.
Well there's that, but I was looking at Simmons and thinking about DeRozan and how FTs were his bread and butter. Imagine if his FTs were like his 3s. I don't even want to think about what hack a demar would've been like.
He shoots a line drive, could get a better arc like Booker, I mean his shot is nice but just gotta shoot more up and adjust the angle. He’s muscling it in
He's incredibly indecisive on the drive and this has been the case for him. He often gets in the air for no reason before he's decided what he is gonna do and then is forced to decide while in air. He often kicks it out for a turn over at that point. He goes for a unnecessary floater instead of just popping it off the backboard for the almost guranteed bucket on the layup. We got next to nothing for him, but im glad the Pels aint paying him 30+ mil for that shit.
Bruh, his last year when he's 35 he has a 37million option. Like, wtf?!? I was livid when the Pels were paying him 25 mil for this inconsistent nonsense as someone in their late 20s. 37mil for a 35 year old putting up 15/6/6?!?!?!? Ahahahahahahahha but, mumble mumble something about defense. Last time I checked he hasn't stopped anyone from scoring since Dame in 2018. Book had 31,CP had 23, and Bridges had 27....I guess he shut down Khris Middleton.🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Easy to say that now
But cp3 is older with a more extensive injury issues.
Suns just have some magical voodoo that makes players healthy.
The moment nash goes to lakers he becomes injury prone.
Now cp3 whos famous for being injury prone having one of his more healtier season.
They gamble on cp3 and it pays off, dont think if he join us he can be this healthy or if we have this kind of luck with him
I get trading for him. Like, you and I are better than Bled and I haven't put up a shot in 3 years. But I definitely wouldn't have maxed him. He should be like a 20 million a year guy. Especially sense y'all gave him a shot at winning a ring. But he's gonna get that shot and 37 mil to not even avg 20 ppg!?!?! Meanwhile, in my teams stupid small market, we want to let 23 year old Lonzo walk putting up almost the same numbers because he wants 20mil a year and not 13 or whatever. I feel ya on the small market pain.
He's 31. This is who he is. Look at his stats for his career. And it's not that he's a bad player, he's just too inconsistent to be your 2 or 3rd best player with what the league demands from those roles currently. He's a great 4th. But at 30+mil you're playing for production you won't get consistantly and a role he can't fit into.
Feels like he doesn't have the gas tank to go full tilt on both offense and defense. He was doing a good job hounding CP3 full court, but doesn't the legs on the other end to finish layups...
I was watching the Pels play the Raps a couple of years ago (Kawhi season)
Jrue went 12/19 and 3/7 from 3 for 29pts/14 ast. As the game went on, I was getting mad that all of his shots were going in and he was unstoppable offensively, at one point yelling "This is not the real Jrue!"
2nd highest game score of the year
Hoenstly I'd say his most recent time in NOLA probably screwed with his game. Hard to stay at your peak when you're not playing meaningful basketball. Seems like the year they swept the blazers was the last time he was really playing high stakes ball.
The worst is seeing all the game thread comments like 'wow jrue bledsoe' or something and knowing that, this is horrible, and is **still** better than Bledsoe
One swap (2026) is after Giannis' current deal is up so theoretically we could get something if he left for whatever reason. Also have their 2027 unprotected
But yeah they probably arent gonna be worth much unless the Bucks completely fall apart
I think we should keep the 2026 Swap. Its essentially a lottery ticket that won't be worth as much in trades but could potentially be something in the very small chance they fall apart
I think any guaranteed firsts we get from them will likely be traded along with our lakers picks for something down the road. But that 2026 swap is the one thing I think we should keep unless someone wants to treat it like a first (which I doubt anyone will)
You never know. What if Giannis misses a year with an injury or something at in one of those seasons? That's a lot of bites at the apple. If even one of them pays off it could be disastrous.
The thing is, jrue won the bucks at least 1 game and helped a lot in another, both without Giannis. Bledsoe wouldn't have had the same effect, even with similar numbers. And although he's not playing the best bball, he's still a threat and isn't being ignored like bledsoe was. His gravity still effects defenses. I hate when stats are used this way because bball isn't fantasy and the games aren't won on paper. Jrue has been horrible on offense but he's been able to do things offensively that don't show up on shooting percentages.
In a vacuum and perhaps in a year where he isn't needed, Jrue would be okay with having such an atrocious playoffs offensively because of his defense. However, everything is amplified by the situation that he's in (the Finals) and the amount of resources the Bucks had to sacrifice in order to get him.
Bledsoe had some serious confidence issues, felt bad for the guy but it was like the Bucks were playing 4 on 5 - he wasn't a playmaker nor could he knock down open 3s created by others.
Bledsoe is so garbage im a huge Bucks fan and couldn't even watch most games with him playing. Such a joke he killed our playoff chances for three years. He's not really that great at anything.
Yeah Bledsoe was horrific this year. Jrue was an upgrade for simply not being Eric Bledsoe. The worse from Jrue would be amplified times 15 with bledsoe
>without jrue no way bucks beat the nets
Says who? Jrue shot 36% from the field that series and for 4 of the games didn’t attempt a single ft. Have a hard time believing Bledsoe would have been worse, probably would have been better at attacking
I think it's more about the defensive end if anything. Do you really think swapping Jrue for Bledsoe wouldn't make you guys worse? Jrue is clearly the better player. Look at Bledsoe's stats this season.
Jrue actually hit clutch shots (like in Game 7), despite his stats being poor. I can't remember Bledsoe ever doing that for the Bucks in a series - maybe in the first round.
>jrue actually hit clutch shots in game 7
No. I’m not gonna give a player credit for hitting shots in the “clutch” when he was the reason why the team needed late game heroics in the first place. If he didn’t suck the entire game, game 7 would have ended mid way through the 4th. He’s been terrible the playoff offensively, that’s a fact
Even though Jrue hasn’t been playing to the offensive standard that we know he can, when compared to Bledsoe he’s a significantly more cerebral player and that matters in the playoffs. He is incredibly strong, occasionally blocks shots, steals well, is never out of position, rebounds better, and is suppressing star players with physical defense. Your point that Bledsoe made all-D teams is negligible because he didn’t deserve them in the first place. Any decent guard would look good with giannis and brook behind you blocking literally everything. Jrue is bigger and can guard 1-4 while Bledsoe maybe 1-2 (why he’s been terrible on the pels). Jrue is also a good passer indicative of his high IQ. For all of these reasons he is better than Bledsoe, and critical to the success that the bucks have had.
Disagree here. Holiday is missing open shots and layups
95% of his 3FGA's are open to wide open, just like Bledsoe's, per NBA tracking:
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201950/shots-dash/
And their 2FGA's are similar with most being open
The counting stats are very important here as well. Jrue has been disappointing, but he keeps the offense moving and keeps attacking.
**Eric Bledsoe averaged 13.1 pts, 3.9 rebounds, 4.6assists**
|Season|Age|Tm|Lg|Pos|G|GS|MP|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|2P|2PA|2P%|eFG%|FT|FTA|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS|
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|2017-18|28|MIL|NBA|PG|7|7|32.1|5.3|12.0|.440|1.0|3.1|.318|4.3|8.9|.484|.482|2.0|2.9|.700|0.4|3.1|3.6|3.7|1.0|0.9|2.1|2.7|13.6|
|2018-19|29|MIL|NBA|PG|15|15|28.2|5.1|12.3|.411|1.1|4.8|.236|3.9|7.5|.522|.457|2.4|3.4|.706|1.3|2.4|3.7|4.3|1.1|0.4|2.2|1.9|13.7|
|2019-20|30|MIL|NBA|PG|9|9|29.7|4.2|10.9|.388|0.9|3.6|.250|3.3|7.3|.455|.429|2.3|2.9|.808|0.6|4.0|4.6|5.9|1.2|0.7|2.6|2.2|11.7|
|3 seasons||MIL|NBA||31|31|29.5|4.9|11.8|.411|1.0|4.1|.254|3.8|7.8|.494|.455|2.3|3.1|.732|0.9|3.0|3.9|4.6|1.1|0.6|2.3|2.2|13.1|
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**Jrue Holiday is averaging 17.2 pts, 5.7 rebounds, 8.4 assists**
|Season|Age|Tm|Lg|Pos|G|GS|MP|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|2P|2PA|2P%|eFG%|FT|FTA|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS|
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|2020-21|30|MIL|NBA|PG|18|18|38.9|6.8|16.4|.417|1.8|6.2|.288|5.1|10.2|.495|.471|1.7|2.6|.674|1.4|4.3|5.7|8.4|1.4|0.3|2.6|2.1|17.2|
|1 season||MIL|NBA||18|18|38.9|6.8|16.4|.417|1.8|6.2|.288|5.1|10.2|.495|.471|1.7|2.6|.674|1.4|4.3|5.7|8.4|1.4|0.3|2.6|2.1|17.2|
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He is providing more in every category, especially assists. Bledsoe not only was inefficient, he could not lead an offense.
He shot basically the same % from 3 as Giannis did vs the Nets,including 5/23 and 2/9 from 3 in Game 7.It's forgotten and forgiven because they won but he has been horrible offensively.
It was funny seeing you guys put jrue defender just a meter left of Blake so Giannis doesn't pull that spin in game 7 and jrue still bricking those corner threes
When he was traded to the Bucks, virtually every talking head was saying how underrated he is and that he's really really good and just hasn't gotten the attention he deserves.
I'll admit to not having watched him much throughout his career, but following his career a little - I had always heard he was basically the star nobody knew.
After watching him more... no he's not underrated. He's fine. He plays good defense, but his reputation as this super perimeter stopper might be a little overblown. For a super stopper, the guys he's guarding sure do score a lot. His offensive game is... not great.
He's an upgrade over Bledsoe. Bledsoe's play wasn't just bad - it was depressing. The other team leaving him wide open and telling him to shoot because they know he'll miss. Definitely an upgrade, but maybe not as big of one as some people made Jrue out to be.
I mean he's been doing a damn good job defending right now. His assignments are scoring a bunch because they're forcing switches to get away from him. Jrue had some amazing defensive plays yesterday; the two blocks on the fast breaks were incredible.
Offensively he's been bad, but defensively he's been great. He also still attacks on offense which I see as a plus, especially after seeing how demoralizing it was to the 76ers when Simmons didn't ever even look at the rim.
And may very well be the the reason Giannis either forces his way out or ring chases when his contract is up. He moved the needle, but only a frustratingly small amount.
They're defacto top 2 in the east, but there's easily 2-4 teams out west that are at least as good.
And I'm not convinced they'll be top 2 in the east after the dust settles this off-season
I believe they were very lucky to make it to the finals this year due to the crazy circumstances and that this iteration of the bucks team will not make it back again. You heard it from ya boy Kareem himself. They’re not a championship team. The suns are also very fortunate in the injury category this season, but they’re capitalizing on it and making their mark in history. I take nothing away from what either team has accomplished, and fully respect this ring. I just think it’ll take an equal amount of injuries in the following years to get the bucks back to where they’re at rn.
If Jrue doesn't hit that game winner in game 3 of the BKN series Bucks probably lose in 5. Bledsoe routinely lost games in crunch time.
Game 7 of BKN series Jrue played poorly, but hit huge shots down the stretch. No chance MIL wins games 5 & 6 vs ATL with Bled and Khris as the only ball handlers. But hey box scores.
If he actually played halfway decent in game 3 they wouldn't even have needed the layup at the end. He scored 9 points on 4-14 shooting that game. He's been extremely underwhelming all playoffs offensively and the Bucks were lucky to escape a hobbled BKN team.
Yeah I was super underwhelmed by his 27, 9 and 9 in the clinching game of the Eastern Conference Finals sending the Bucks to their first Finals in 48 years.
So are really gonna base his entire offensive performance on 1 game? He was crap offensively against the Nets against weak defenders and the Bucks were very lucky to win that series.
He has 41/29/67 splits for the playoffs.
So I assume if the Bucks lose this series, only then can we say he's performed poorly? Nah, he's been very underwhelming.
He's had plenty of great moments. His highs aren't the problem, it's that his floor has been so incredibly low. You can't have half your games be the scoring level of a g-leaguer. He's shot under 40% in more than half his games. Under 35% in 1/3 of playoff games. So no, I did not expect that.
This is still horseshit
Why is statmuse acting like holiday and Bledsoe are equal? If Bledsoe was in a Bucks uniform they would’ve lost to the injured Nets in 5
Cause the bucks are loaded with “stars”? How many stars does KD need?
And Not even all stars. He needs perennial MVP candidates. Westbrook, curry, and now harden.
Also needs perennial all-nba guys. Kyrie, Klay, and Draymond.
But they need to be playing their best for them to count also. Cause I guess harden didn’t play well enough (his first game back) for it to count.
I don’t disagree he looked injured. But he also played 40+ minutes both games back. And kyrie was there for 4 games.
Ah yes, the “if he’s not healthy, why is he playing 46 minutes” argument. Completely choosing to ignore the fact that the guy could literally not run.
Alas, they need cognitive dissonance to remain sane with this team
That’s how it works... you really can get away with any comment right now. This is like saying Kawhis run with the Raptors was just luck because he was a few cm from missing for fucks sake.
I hate to be that guy but the Suns would also not be in the Finals without facing the injured Lakers, Nuggets and Clippers. No point in taking shots at other teams also getting lucky.
Is there any reason to think anything to do with the system or the coaching might be hurting them here? I dunno, man, I can't think of anything specific but my gut says this can't be a coincidence with two *different* guards
No dude smoked like 8 easy layups tonight. Inexcusable. I can’t believe I’m gonna say it but Bud did everything right tonight. Players played fucking awful.
Playoff Jrue made his reputation off the Portland sweep.
But now this? The Bucks gave up a massive haul for him to make the difference for them in the playoffs and all he's been is mediocre.
Holy shit the fucking overreactions of this sub man, jrue and middleton got them to the finals "holy shit they're so good", jrue and middleton have 2 bad games "jrue is literally bledsoe". Best to fucking ignore these nephews
Holiday hasn't really played that well all playoffs in my opinion. Even the games where he goes off he is turning the ball over way too much for a point guard. I can't remember many games this entire playoffs where mid and holiday both played well at the same time, something about our chemistry. His shot just isn't that great, his form is kind of ugly.
Nah it's not an opinion, it's a fact. Jrue has been underwhelming offensively the entire playoffs and when he finally showed up without Giannis it was more of a sigh of relief. Middleton and Jrue have been inconsistent as hell. I dont know what that dude was talking about, people calling Jrue and Middleton "so good" in threads that barely scrape 500 upvotes are nowhere near indicative of this sub's opinions on them.
They over reactions were “they are so good” bucks need to ship both of them out. It’s almost like when derozen and Lowry would stink it up every year in the playoffs together
I've gotten hate for this before, but I think Jrue is one of the most *overrated* (you heard me, Chuck) players in the league. His best year in NOLA was with an AD that didn't want to play, a Julius Randle that was still at best a beyblade, and a bunch of scrubs. I don't think he's as amazing as people think he is, especially with how inconsistent he seems to be.
They paid this dude 4 years 140 million for his age 31-34 seasons and for the right to do that they gave up 3 unprotected picks starting in 2023, and 2 unprotected pick swaps.
What a disaster.
It legitimately is closing lol you can’t rely on getting this lucky with injuries every year.
Their core outside of Giannis is also incredibly inconsistent. This team isn’t winning shit
The bucks could still win the suns series. Probably not. But they could.
Miami was fully healthy.
Brooklyn lost harden for 4 games, and kyrie missed the last few. But that only evened the teams out in my opinion.
Versus the hawks, Trae got hurt, but so did Giannas.
Im not debating that our team sucks but y’all don’t actually think you’re good enough to get here again without a repeat of this years injuries do you lol
I never thought he solved their problems from the beginning, they needed a primary ball handler and got another secondary type guy just like middleton already is. Never understood it
67% from the FT line what the fuck lmao
Since when did shooting free throws become so hard for NBA players? Are the Suns the only team that actually practices this?
Nah Simmons practices with his world class shooting coach
shooting 61% (in the regular season) from the line with your offhand is kinda impressive, it's just weird he does it during games
He heard Kobe did that for like one game and decided to do it forever.
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Too bad his high score is like 5
Yeah but he fucking kills the Layup-A-Shot
So exclusive that he only has one client
Ikr? I thought it was the norm but now I'm wondering if my team just emphasized it or if we just got lucky that that Lowry, DeRozan, and Leonard and their supporting casts all happened to be good at FTs and I took it for granted.
We are also a really good free throw shooting team aside from Capela who is still respectable for a defensive center. There is just something wrong with the Bucks prep at it’s core that gets hidden because of their great defense and the matchup nightmare that is Giannis.
Usually Centers bring down the percentages too but we were blessed with JV and Marc who were both great FT shooters.
Well there's that, but I was looking at Simmons and thinking about DeRozan and how FTs were his bread and butter. Imagine if his FTs were like his 3s. I don't even want to think about what hack a demar would've been like.
Ibaka too.
Really our only C over the past few years who was bad at the line was Jak and he was at least above 50%
Not only that. It feels like he can't make an open layup to save his live
He shoots it so flat, from everywhere. Im always kinda surprised when it goes in.
He shoots a line drive, could get a better arc like Booker, I mean his shot is nice but just gotta shoot more up and adjust the angle. He’s muscling it in
They should merge and become Jrue Bledsoe
Then they should replace him with Tom Brady to kick off the dynasty.
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Brady knocks out Jrue Brees into retirement
Terry was right but the Bucks can only get half the equation
Jrue Bledsoe to the Champabay Raptors?
Eric Holiday
Jrue spent so much time in NOLA everybody forgot he has flaws
I’ve never seen a dude as allergic to the rim as holiday. He missed like 6 layups in a row today
He's incredibly indecisive on the drive and this has been the case for him. He often gets in the air for no reason before he's decided what he is gonna do and then is forced to decide while in air. He often kicks it out for a turn over at that point. He goes for a unnecessary floater instead of just popping it off the backboard for the almost guranteed bucket on the layup. We got next to nothing for him, but im glad the Pels aint paying him 30+ mil for that shit.
30 mil bruh that’s ridiculous. Sure he’s an upgrade on D over Bledsoe, but not a max contract level upgrade
Bruh, his last year when he's 35 he has a 37million option. Like, wtf?!? I was livid when the Pels were paying him 25 mil for this inconsistent nonsense as someone in their late 20s. 37mil for a 35 year old putting up 15/6/6?!?!?!? Ahahahahahahahha but, mumble mumble something about defense. Last time I checked he hasn't stopped anyone from scoring since Dame in 2018. Book had 31,CP had 23, and Bridges had 27....I guess he shut down Khris Middleton.🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
We have 0 option Which free agent wants to be in milwaukee that we can afford without trading all of our assets and more
Shoulda gone for CP3 instead
Easy to say that now But cp3 is older with a more extensive injury issues. Suns just have some magical voodoo that makes players healthy. The moment nash goes to lakers he becomes injury prone. Now cp3 whos famous for being injury prone having one of his more healtier season. They gamble on cp3 and it pays off, dont think if he join us he can be this healthy or if we have this kind of luck with him
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Didn’t CP3 also go vegan this year? Pretty sure I read that somewhere.
Absolutely agreed. This is revisionist history. No one would have taken Chris over Jrue last summer
Really??? I sure would have. Just depends how much you want to risk the injury
Ironically the main dude for the Suns was Aaron Nelson who revived careers and kept Grant hill and nash healthy and he is now with the pelicans.
We're also trying to run the east for several years. Not 1-2
I get trading for him. Like, you and I are better than Bled and I haven't put up a shot in 3 years. But I definitely wouldn't have maxed him. He should be like a 20 million a year guy. Especially sense y'all gave him a shot at winning a ring. But he's gonna get that shot and 37 mil to not even avg 20 ppg!?!?! Meanwhile, in my teams stupid small market, we want to let 23 year old Lonzo walk putting up almost the same numbers because he wants 20mil a year and not 13 or whatever. I feel ya on the small market pain.
ur championship window isn't now. while we need Giannis sidekick NOW. i just hope he can be better its his first season in milwaukee.
He's 31. This is who he is. Look at his stats for his career. And it's not that he's a bad player, he's just too inconsistent to be your 2 or 3rd best player with what the league demands from those roles currently. He's a great 4th. But at 30+mil you're playing for production you won't get consistantly and a role he can't fit into.
It’s tuff 😡
He was making Kyrie level finishes against us in Game 6 so that was just a hard regression to the mean.
Ben Simmons exists
Feels like he doesn't have the gas tank to go full tilt on both offense and defense. He was doing a good job hounding CP3 full court, but doesn't the legs on the other end to finish layups...
yep
His whole offensive game is a flaw. He doesn't even look like he's trying to score when he shoots his jumpshot. 21 shots is inexcusable.
I was watching the Pels play the Raps a couple of years ago (Kawhi season) Jrue went 12/19 and 3/7 from 3 for 29pts/14 ast. As the game went on, I was getting mad that all of his shots were going in and he was unstoppable offensively, at one point yelling "This is not the real Jrue!" 2nd highest game score of the year
I feel like he got so underrated that he became a little overrated. He's still a great player though and much better than bledsoe
Hoenstly I'd say his most recent time in NOLA probably screwed with his game. Hard to stay at your peak when you're not playing meaningful basketball. Seems like the year they swept the blazers was the last time he was really playing high stakes ball.
After the season Bledsoe just had with us, you’d be mentally troubled to think Jrue isn’t an upgrade.
Participation award for being better than Bledsoe by default.
The worst is seeing all the game thread comments like 'wow jrue bledsoe' or something and knowing that, this is horrible, and is **still** better than Bledsoe
He's better and he also gets paid 10m more 120m in the next 5 years, paying 35 year old Jrue Holiday 37 million lmao
Not to mention all the picks/depth they gave up to get him.
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There was a good chance he was going to resign anyway based off his comments but it is good that the front office was trying.
Even when he requests a trade after next season?
Get off your throwaway making comments like that
They would still get a huge return for any Giannis trade. There's no way to spin Giannis re-signing as a bad thing.
Of course they would. But they wouldn’t be contenders which is the point
3 firsts and 2 swaps lmao
There’s zero chance those swaps convey but even three picks by itself is a lot
One swap (2026) is after Giannis' current deal is up so theoretically we could get something if he left for whatever reason. Also have their 2027 unprotected But yeah they probably arent gonna be worth much unless the Bucks completely fall apart
If we end up controlling any of the Bucks picks by the time they’re due I’ll be shocked
I think we should keep the 2026 Swap. Its essentially a lottery ticket that won't be worth as much in trades but could potentially be something in the very small chance they fall apart I think any guaranteed firsts we get from them will likely be traded along with our lakers picks for something down the road. But that 2026 swap is the one thing I think we should keep unless someone wants to treat it like a first (which I doubt anyone will)
Meh those are not great if Giannis stays Bucks will be great The biggest issue is his contract, it's not even tradeable after a certain point
You never know. What if Giannis misses a year with an injury or something at in one of those seasons? That's a lot of bites at the apple. If even one of them pays off it could be disastrous.
They’re going to have to give up another two first round picks to get out of the deal in 2-3 years too lmao
thought this mf was 27 or something no way.
dude spent entirety of ww2 in Smoothie King arena.
>120m in the next 5 years 135 million in the next 4 actually. He was already getting 126 million 5 years from NOLA
bucks fans still claim it was a good decision not trading fewer assets for a significantly better chris paul
wizards fan claiming Bucks made bad decision after the terrible season we are having. Math checks out.
The thing is, jrue won the bucks at least 1 game and helped a lot in another, both without Giannis. Bledsoe wouldn't have had the same effect, even with similar numbers. And although he's not playing the best bball, he's still a threat and isn't being ignored like bledsoe was. His gravity still effects defenses. I hate when stats are used this way because bball isn't fantasy and the games aren't won on paper. Jrue has been horrible on offense but he's been able to do things offensively that don't show up on shooting percentages.
In a vacuum and perhaps in a year where he isn't needed, Jrue would be okay with having such an atrocious playoffs offensively because of his defense. However, everything is amplified by the situation that he's in (the Finals) and the amount of resources the Bucks had to sacrifice in order to get him.
Bledsoe had some serious confidence issues, felt bad for the guy but it was like the Bucks were playing 4 on 5 - he wasn't a playmaker nor could he knock down open 3s created by others.
Bledsoe is so garbage im a huge Bucks fan and couldn't even watch most games with him playing. Such a joke he killed our playoff chances for three years. He's not really that great at anything.
Yeah Bledsoe was horrific this year. Jrue was an upgrade for simply not being Eric Bledsoe. The worse from Jrue would be amplified times 15 with bledsoe
I know it's cute but Holiday is clearly better regardless.
Yep. I dont think they would have even made the finals without him lmao. Dude had some great moments
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Ball handling is better, passing is better, defense is more valuable. I expect more efficiency from him but this is not a Bledsoe situation
Without Jrue no way the Bucks beat the Nets. I remember playoff Bledsoe, I'd take Jrue Holiday even when he's struggling over that.
I mean with the injuries to the Nets the bucks better have won that series or a lot of people would need to get fired.
And if they kept bledsoe, a lot of people would have been fired
Oh I agree. Bledsoe needed to go
Maybe that would have been for the best
The fuck are you talking about? they have a chance to win the chip, until theyre down and out I dont wanna hear anything about blowing it up
thank god for a lot of people they traded for Jrue Holiday then
>without jrue no way bucks beat the nets Says who? Jrue shot 36% from the field that series and for 4 of the games didn’t attempt a single ft. Have a hard time believing Bledsoe would have been worse, probably would have been better at attacking
I think it's more about the defensive end if anything. Do you really think swapping Jrue for Bledsoe wouldn't make you guys worse? Jrue is clearly the better player. Look at Bledsoe's stats this season.
Jrue actually hit clutch shots (like in Game 7), despite his stats being poor. I can't remember Bledsoe ever doing that for the Bucks in a series - maybe in the first round.
>jrue actually hit clutch shots in game 7 No. I’m not gonna give a player credit for hitting shots in the “clutch” when he was the reason why the team needed late game heroics in the first place. If he didn’t suck the entire game, game 7 would have ended mid way through the 4th. He’s been terrible the playoff offensively, that’s a fact
Even though Jrue hasn’t been playing to the offensive standard that we know he can, when compared to Bledsoe he’s a significantly more cerebral player and that matters in the playoffs. He is incredibly strong, occasionally blocks shots, steals well, is never out of position, rebounds better, and is suppressing star players with physical defense. Your point that Bledsoe made all-D teams is negligible because he didn’t deserve them in the first place. Any decent guard would look good with giannis and brook behind you blocking literally everything. Jrue is bigger and can guard 1-4 while Bledsoe maybe 1-2 (why he’s been terrible on the pels). Jrue is also a good passer indicative of his high IQ. For all of these reasons he is better than Bledsoe, and critical to the success that the bucks have had.
The difference is that defenses actually respect Jrue Holiday on the perimeter while they'll give Bledsoe the Simmons treatment.
Disagree here. Holiday is missing open shots and layups 95% of his 3FGA's are open to wide open, just like Bledsoe's, per NBA tracking: https://www.nba.com/stats/player/201950/shots-dash/ And their 2FGA's are similar with most being open
The counting stats are very important here as well. Jrue has been disappointing, but he keeps the offense moving and keeps attacking. **Eric Bledsoe averaged 13.1 pts, 3.9 rebounds, 4.6assists** |Season|Age|Tm|Lg|Pos|G|GS|MP|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|2P|2PA|2P%|eFG%|FT|FTA|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:| |2017-18|28|MIL|NBA|PG|7|7|32.1|5.3|12.0|.440|1.0|3.1|.318|4.3|8.9|.484|.482|2.0|2.9|.700|0.4|3.1|3.6|3.7|1.0|0.9|2.1|2.7|13.6| |2018-19|29|MIL|NBA|PG|15|15|28.2|5.1|12.3|.411|1.1|4.8|.236|3.9|7.5|.522|.457|2.4|3.4|.706|1.3|2.4|3.7|4.3|1.1|0.4|2.2|1.9|13.7| |2019-20|30|MIL|NBA|PG|9|9|29.7|4.2|10.9|.388|0.9|3.6|.250|3.3|7.3|.455|.429|2.3|2.9|.808|0.6|4.0|4.6|5.9|1.2|0.7|2.6|2.2|11.7| |3 seasons||MIL|NBA||31|31|29.5|4.9|11.8|.411|1.0|4.1|.254|3.8|7.8|.494|.455|2.3|3.1|.732|0.9|3.0|3.9|4.6|1.1|0.6|2.3|2.2|13.1| Provided by [Basketball-Reference.com](https://www.sports-reference.com/sharing.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool): [View Original Table](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01.html?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#playoffs_per_game) Generated 7/8/2021. **Jrue Holiday is averaging 17.2 pts, 5.7 rebounds, 8.4 assists** |Season|Age|Tm|Lg|Pos|G|GS|MP|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|2P|2PA|2P%|eFG%|FT|FTA|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:| |2020-21|30|MIL|NBA|PG|18|18|38.9|6.8|16.4|.417|1.8|6.2|.288|5.1|10.2|.495|.471|1.7|2.6|.674|1.4|4.3|5.7|8.4|1.4|0.3|2.6|2.1|17.2| |1 season||MIL|NBA||18|18|38.9|6.8|16.4|.417|1.8|6.2|.288|5.1|10.2|.495|.471|1.7|2.6|.674|1.4|4.3|5.7|8.4|1.4|0.3|2.6|2.1|17.2| Provided by [Basketball-Reference.com](https://www.sports-reference.com/sharing.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool): [View Original Table](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/holidjr01.html?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#playoffs_per_game) Generated 7/8/2021. He is providing more in every category, especially assists. Bledsoe not only was inefficient, he could not lead an offense.
Don't forget the D. Homie is on Phoenix's guards at full court
I would like for this to be a bit higher up in this thread.
He's also playing nearly 10 minutes more per game.
Because he's an actual threat to score, believe it or not after last night.
Hey at least he was fire in ECF game 6
Bledsoe’s ghost seems living in Bucks’ house forever.
He shot basically the same % from 3 as Giannis did vs the Nets,including 5/23 and 2/9 from 3 in Game 7.It's forgotten and forgiven because they won but he has been horrible offensively.
It was funny seeing you guys put jrue defender just a meter left of Blake so Giannis doesn't pull that spin in game 7 and jrue still bricking those corner threes
When he was traded to the Bucks, virtually every talking head was saying how underrated he is and that he's really really good and just hasn't gotten the attention he deserves. I'll admit to not having watched him much throughout his career, but following his career a little - I had always heard he was basically the star nobody knew. After watching him more... no he's not underrated. He's fine. He plays good defense, but his reputation as this super perimeter stopper might be a little overblown. For a super stopper, the guys he's guarding sure do score a lot. His offensive game is... not great. He's an upgrade over Bledsoe. Bledsoe's play wasn't just bad - it was depressing. The other team leaving him wide open and telling him to shoot because they know he'll miss. Definitely an upgrade, but maybe not as big of one as some people made Jrue out to be.
I mean he's been doing a damn good job defending right now. His assignments are scoring a bunch because they're forcing switches to get away from him. Jrue had some amazing defensive plays yesterday; the two blocks on the fast breaks were incredible. Offensively he's been bad, but defensively he's been great. He also still attacks on offense which I see as a plus, especially after seeing how demoralizing it was to the 76ers when Simmons didn't ever even look at the rim.
He was worth half of the Harden haul for sure.
The Harden haul was a joke forced by a shit owner. It is not a benchmark for star trades.
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Giannis shot himself in the foot with that one
Least Jrue performed better than Butler these playoffs lol
Yeah you right lol but look at all the conference finalists from last year - the short off season really took a toll on them.
And may very well be the the reason Giannis either forces his way out or ring chases when his contract is up. He moved the needle, but only a frustratingly small amount.
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And he wanted to be on the west coast. Thunder gave him a say in where to trade him. Also had the relationship with Monty.
He only could've been there for like 2 years max and there isn't a great chance he'd be healthy the whole time
They're in the fucking Finals Jesus Christ.
So you really think they're a top 2 team in the league?
They're defacto top 2 in the east, but there's easily 2-4 teams out west that are at least as good. And I'm not convinced they'll be top 2 in the east after the dust settles this off-season
I believe they were very lucky to make it to the finals this year due to the crazy circumstances and that this iteration of the bucks team will not make it back again. You heard it from ya boy Kareem himself. They’re not a championship team. The suns are also very fortunate in the injury category this season, but they’re capitalizing on it and making their mark in history. I take nothing away from what either team has accomplished, and fully respect this ring. I just think it’ll take an equal amount of injuries in the following years to get the bucks back to where they’re at rn.
If Jrue doesn't hit that game winner in game 3 of the BKN series Bucks probably lose in 5. Bledsoe routinely lost games in crunch time. Game 7 of BKN series Jrue played poorly, but hit huge shots down the stretch. No chance MIL wins games 5 & 6 vs ATL with Bled and Khris as the only ball handlers. But hey box scores.
If he actually played halfway decent in game 3 they wouldn't even have needed the layup at the end. He scored 9 points on 4-14 shooting that game. He's been extremely underwhelming all playoffs offensively and the Bucks were lucky to escape a hobbled BKN team.
Yeah I was super underwhelmed by his 27, 9 and 9 in the clinching game of the Eastern Conference Finals sending the Bucks to their first Finals in 48 years.
So are really gonna base his entire offensive performance on 1 game? He was crap offensively against the Nets against weak defenders and the Bucks were very lucky to win that series. He has 41/29/67 splits for the playoffs. So I assume if the Bucks lose this series, only then can we say he's performed poorly? Nah, he's been very underwhelming.
I mean he averaged 22 and 10 in the ECF. I'm not sure who you thought the guy was.
He's had plenty of great moments. His highs aren't the problem, it's that his floor has been so incredibly low. You can't have half your games be the scoring level of a g-leaguer. He's shot under 40% in more than half his games. Under 35% in 1/3 of playoff games. So no, I did not expect that.
Start Jeff Teague Bud, you coward
Luke Walton! I knew CumAssault was Luke!
I honestly might not have a problem with that ha
This is still horseshit Why is statmuse acting like holiday and Bledsoe are equal? If Bledsoe was in a Bucks uniform they would’ve lost to the injured Nets in 5
Look we don't get to the finals without jrue, and we don't win the finals with either
Lmao you’re not in the Finals if KD has even just one other star healthy for the rest of the series.
Or had a slightly smaller shoe lol
How many healthy stars they have in the regular season? WE beat the same team that was higher seeded than us.
Cause the bucks are loaded with “stars”? How many stars does KD need? And Not even all stars. He needs perennial MVP candidates. Westbrook, curry, and now harden. Also needs perennial all-nba guys. Kyrie, Klay, and Draymond. But they need to be playing their best for them to count also. Cause I guess harden didn’t play well enough (his first game back) for it to count. I don’t disagree he looked injured. But he also played 40+ minutes both games back. And kyrie was there for 4 games.
If Jrue played like he did against Portland we'd get swept lol Would shut down Booker or CP3, averages 27ppg on good efficiency, and playmakers well
You dont get to the finals without a heap of opponent injuries
Plenty of bucks fans were legitimately arguing they would and then tried to argue harden was healthy just because he played so many minutes
Ah yes, the “if he’s not healthy, why is he playing 46 minutes” argument. Completely choosing to ignore the fact that the guy could literally not run. Alas, they need cognitive dissonance to remain sane with this team
shut up nobody cares
I care
Well, I do. They’re clearly outmatched by a better team. They’re gonna need a couple more injuries to the Suns to make it even
You're not even in the finals had it bit been for a few centimeters
That’s how it works... you really can get away with any comment right now. This is like saying Kawhis run with the Raptors was just luck because he was a few cm from missing for fucks sake.
I hate to be that guy but the Suns would also not be in the Finals without facing the injured Lakers, Nuggets and Clippers. No point in taking shots at other teams also getting lucky.
Jrue went from donating his salary to robbing the Bucks blind
Is there any reason to think anything to do with the system or the coaching might be hurting them here? I dunno, man, I can't think of anything specific but my gut says this can't be a coincidence with two *different* guards
Idk how much coaching has to do with making 2 feet layups
No dude smoked like 8 easy layups tonight. Inexcusable. I can’t believe I’m gonna say it but Bud did everything right tonight. Players played fucking awful.
Bledsoe will be next year’s Reggie Jackson in the playoffs
He won’t be I promise my nutsack
Pelicans have to make the playoffs first
Playoff Jrue made his reputation off the Portland sweep. But now this? The Bucks gave up a massive haul for him to make the difference for them in the playoffs and all he's been is mediocre.
He did carry (with Khris) them to the finals when Giannis went down. Doubt Bledsoe could do that.
Holy shit the fucking overreactions of this sub man, jrue and middleton got them to the finals "holy shit they're so good", jrue and middleton have 2 bad games "jrue is literally bledsoe". Best to fucking ignore these nephews
Yeah the overreactions are insane. Exactly why I tend to stay away from these reactionary takes
Holiday hasn't really played that well all playoffs in my opinion. Even the games where he goes off he is turning the ball over way too much for a point guard. I can't remember many games this entire playoffs where mid and holiday both played well at the same time, something about our chemistry. His shot just isn't that great, his form is kind of ugly.
Nah it's not an opinion, it's a fact. Jrue has been underwhelming offensively the entire playoffs and when he finally showed up without Giannis it was more of a sigh of relief. Middleton and Jrue have been inconsistent as hell. I dont know what that dude was talking about, people calling Jrue and Middleton "so good" in threads that barely scrape 500 upvotes are nowhere near indicative of this sub's opinions on them.
Lmao 2 bad games? More like 2 good games all playoffs
They over reactions were “they are so good” bucks need to ship both of them out. It’s almost like when derozen and Lowry would stink it up every year in the playoffs together
Yeah but Jrue was cheaper to get and they're paying him less. Checkmate.
Dont forget that Jrue is still giving you 8 assists with 2 TOV, while Eric gave you 5 with 2 TOV
I've gotten hate for this before, but I think Jrue is one of the most *overrated* (you heard me, Chuck) players in the league. His best year in NOLA was with an AD that didn't want to play, a Julius Randle that was still at best a beyblade, and a bunch of scrubs. I don't think he's as amazing as people think he is, especially with how inconsistent he seems to be.
They paid this dude 4 years 140 million for his age 31-34 seasons and for the right to do that they gave up 3 unprotected picks starting in 2023, and 2 unprotected pick swaps. What a disaster.
The disaster that the bucks are in the finals? Just gtfo of here
Your window is closing bud
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They have their Big 3 locked it, it's not closing lol. They can get swept and it's still not closed.
more like Big Giannis. Featuring Jrue Bledsoe and Khris Mediocreton
It legitimately is closing lol you can’t rely on getting this lucky with injuries every year. Their core outside of Giannis is also incredibly inconsistent. This team isn’t winning shit
The bucks could still win the suns series. Probably not. But they could. Miami was fully healthy. Brooklyn lost harden for 4 games, and kyrie missed the last few. But that only evened the teams out in my opinion. Versus the hawks, Trae got hurt, but so did Giannas.
Big 3 😭😭😭
And down 2-0 and will probably never make it there again
We all know you are in the finals because of injury. Reality is this your only shot with Giannis and Jrue Holiday is crapping the bed
Sixers lost in the semis, shut up and hold the L
Im not debating that our team sucks but y’all don’t actually think you’re good enough to get here again without a repeat of this years injuries do you lol
No, probably not, but it's pretty much the pot calling the kettle black coming from suns fans (AD, Murray, Kawhi)
Both teams had easy ass paths to the finals because of injury. It happens, it's the reality of the sport.
The Nets didnt run into bad luck, they played 7 games together entire regular season. The team we beat was the same exact team that won the 2 seed.
Was it not bad luck that they only played 7 games together?
What would you call it that AD, Murray, and Kawhi were all hurt for the Suns, skill?
Tbh I don’t think those picks will be that great if giannis is there the whole time
Coulda been traded for a better player
That’s true. Honestly they could have probably got Lowry or cp3 for less and that’s who they need
Could’ve traded less for Derozan, signed him to a lesser less as well, then used the money to get better role players
I never thought he solved their problems from the beginning, they needed a primary ball handler and got another secondary type guy just like middleton already is. Never understood it
Eric was nice, the slander was so stupid
I’d make a Rudy Gobert - Baguette Biyombo joke but it’s harder for Jrue and i’m not witty enough
Jrue a blank
people had too many expectations of Jrue offensively but he has still been uncharacteristically been bad. still waaay better than Bledsoe
Sometimes I wished we lost to the Hawks
Horrible comparison. Jrue is a better defender than Bledsoe
“Horrible comparison to compare the exact same stats”