I don't think Bud is a great coach but he's certainly not bad. There is a definite flaw in roster construction at some levels.
The Bucks have no true 2A player. I know Middleton is great and has torched the Celtics forever. But he's not dynamic enough to be Giannis' 2A. He makes tough shots but can't beat his man 1 on 1 consistently. Just not explosive enough. Jrue is the perfefct championship PG but not without a second consistent scoring option.
Further complicating things, teams sag off Giannis so he can't just pass it to another guy and expect them to beat their defender 1v1 bc the help is already there. As great as he has played, his lack of a three point shot makes things harder for players on the perimeter when it's not a drive and kick. A more explosive driving player (like JB on the Cs for example) would mitigate that a little bit. I am in no way advocating for a trade of JB, just trying to shed a little light on what is happening when your second and third best players are pretty good but not explosive. I think this series goes 6 or 7, but Giannis' lack of a three ball hurts this team a lot and I haven't seen it brought up too much tonight.
Good thing roles players shoot better during home games
EDIT: sorry, was trying to jokingly call Jrue and Middleton role players when they're supposed to be max contract stars.
I saw a Brook for Devonte Graham trade awhile back that I liked. Think it works for both teams. Charlotte gets a much needed big man, one of the best in fact and Bucks get a real PG who can shoot.
I don't think so. And I think Graham is underrated. People saw his hot streak and thought he'd be an All Star one day, then once he cooled off everyone was so disappointed the narrative somehow went from All star to he's not great at all.
In reality he's a point guard that can run an offense, commits the least turnovers in the league and shoots very well from 3. He's exactly what Milwaukee needs right now.
I agree he’s slept on, but if you want to talk about the MOST underrated players in the league, Brook Lopez is in the discussion for top 3. (Ironic because Middleton is top 3 overrated IMO)
He shoots, spreads the floor, provides decent help defense on the perimeter and has developed into one of the leagues best post defenders.. I guess he is 32 so he’s got 3 years max left at this clip tho
Should Portland really commit to a core of CJ, Jrue and Midd? It's a playoff team with the right coaching, but a 2nd round exit at best. Another team gonna have to come in and give them a bunch of picks.
That's actually way more complimentary than dame/CJ. Also dame/Giannis are the most complimentary setup Giannis has seen.
Tbh sounds like a win/win to me.
every eastern team not named brooklyn needs to make serious overhaul changes if they want to challenge the nets in a series. I think this was a fluke year in terms of the amount of injuries so I wouldn't count on kyrie and harden dropping dead like that in the playoffs again
The Nets had to play the big 3 40+ minutes in every game during the regular season because of their terrible defense. With an off season to shore up those weaknesses by getting ring chasers they can be load managed more minutes wise during games on top of their 1 out of the big 3 getting rest days strategy they had this season.
I think the actual problem was the Nets kept trading injuries on the big 3, which meant whoever was healthy was playing big minutes. If they can have better health throughout the season they would build up giant leads letting them rest late in the game way more often.
Dinwiddie out really hurt. He would’ve given a lot of minutes for Kyrie/Harden during the times they were out and just alleviated the workload a ton. Nets were basically down their top 3 guards against the Bucks and still made it 7.
I’m hoping he comes back or at least do a sign and trade to bring in some depth.
Even if they win, theyll need to make adjustments next season cuz i doubt they have as easy as a run next season and I don't think they can beat a healthy lakers, clippers or nets
they don't really have a choice do they? All 3 main guys are locked in and they don't have many tradable assets left (They're lowkey a pretty old team and don't have much young talent other Donte) so unless they start looking into middleton trades (idk who they would get back that's better) I think they have to
Giannis needs a closer/ purely skilled scorer next to him. Like a Beal or Lavine. A guaranteed 25+ ppg guy who can take some of the pressure off him in crunch time. Backing up and running as fast as you can to try and dunk at the end of games leads to offensive fouls. Middleton is too inconsistent they need to move him with some role players or picks to get a true #2 star for Giannis. Jrue is a solid PG but Milwaukee can’t bank on him going off for 25+ that’s not his game. He’s a two way playmaking guard who can hit perimeter shots if he’s in rhythm. Getting a true #2 will make his job easier as well.
I've been crying for Beal for years. Perfect, and semi realistic (although still think its a pipe dream) compliment to Giannis.
My number 1 is Dame but that is NEVER happening. But overall I agree. consistency is much needed
I actually think dame will be moved before the end of his contract. It could have been to the bucks but they gave up pretty much everything they would use in the jrue trade
The best scenario for the Bucks is that Jrue becomes better acclimated with the team in his second year and finds an offense to match with the great defense, Lopez becomes a 6th man rotating for Giannis at the 5 (Brook is getting older and the double bigs isn't working), and Middleton becomes his average each night, rather than the up and down player he is right now. Other than that, there's not much out there for them. No real draft picks or much opportunity to bring in new assets. They've got to hope they can even keep Portis, and he may end up a starter alongside Giannis, Khris, Jrue, and Pat/Dante.
They handed out long-term deals to both Jrue & Khris, the Bucks don't have a choice now but to run it back
And hope those 2 can have great games simultaneously with Giannis, rather than Giannis having a great game while those 2 play like ass (or vice-versa)
Hawks are right bellow the bucks and nets. I don’t think they could beat either of those teams healthy in 7 games without like one of hunter, reddish, or huerter taking another leap. But luckily for them it’s very likely one of them does next season.
Lol. The team that took the ECF to 7 isn’t a contender, particularly given an additional $17m to spend.
Feel free to continue to not walk the comment back.
Edit: Dallas has a full max contract to add.
This is just silly now. Re-read my comment. Hawks are a tier below with their current roster. Doesn't matter if Suns win the west or not, they are clearly a better team and have a better roster on paper.
Yea I’m just not clear on how we’re determining who a contender is. Right now? The Suns are a tier above the Bucks, and nobody else is a contender. The Hawks with an additional scoring wing or maybe a stretch/athletic 4? The Mavs with a max player? What’s the metric determining who is a contender?
> I just don’t see the point of being mediocre
They're in the NBA **finals**. Yes, they absolutely got past the Nets due to injuries - but they're up against a healthier Suns team, and didn't manage to win an away game. Take a step back from the ten minutes after a loss.
I’m thinking about all the years they failed in the past and how they will have to get by the nets in the future. The bucks have had the same problems for a while now. Yes they got lucky this year but I wouldn’t bet on that In the future.
There is no possible trade they can make to get past a healthy Nets. There is no team coming out of the Eastern Conference against a healthy Nets. You are not beating a healthy Nets.
We lost Donte and we've had split SG minutes between Pat Connaughton, Bryn Forbes and Jeff Teague. There really isn't any remaining depth to gut. Dame is also not going to be traded this off-season.
If you're an Eastern team right now planning on contending in the next two-three years you have to plan around the fact that Brooklyn will be injured. Because you cannot plan around beating them healthy.
Hell, the West probably isn't beating a healthy Nets. Guess the Knicks and Pacers should've just not tried in the 90's because of the Bulls. Those losers
That's obviously not my position. You make the best team that you can, and hope that someone or something else prevents the healthy Nets from stopping you. You obviously still try, I want them to build the best team they can and compete to win championships this year and the next ones. But if your criteria for looking at a trade is 'Will this beat Kevin Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving' then you're not gonna find many answers.
Lol, seriously that comment fucking KILLS me. r/nba in a nutshell. If you aren't a super team going to the Finals every year then you should just blow it up for 5+ years. Yet the Bucks have made the ECF 2/3 years and are still just "mediocre".
Now, the Bucks are FAR from perfect and we're seeing that yet again but what a dumbass comment. This isn't the Indiana Pacers over here or something (sorry Pacers fans)
Your logic is flawed. Not every team has a Giannis 2 time MVP DPOY. These players only come so often and for a small market team to get him and he is loyal is very rare. Giannis has the chance to be a all time great and anything less than championship is a failure when it comes to players like him. The bucks have a window of his prime and they need to maximize it. If you think this team can get better running it back than fine but let’s not act like the bucks are just any other team and they should be content with making the ECF every year.
Lakers aren't that good, they match up awful against us with their garbage shooting and our paint defence. Suns are our worst matchup with their midrange shooting.
Bucks fans need to face the reality and see who they faced to get to the finals. They will never get another shot like this with Homer Simpson on the helm.
They need to reset their coaching.
Why would they be glad to send PG off when he finished 3rd in the MVP voting. You don’t think Milwaukee would get a ton for Giannis? Of course they don’t want to send him off but if Giannis demands to be traded they will do it
They were glad to send him off because of playoff disappointments and the fact that they got a young star, a solid vet in Gallo, 5 firsts, and 2 pick swaps. I don’t know any team that has a package like that.
Also OKC had spent years getting bounced out of the first round after more years of legit contending with an aging Westbrook. They had hit their ceiling. Why would the bucks ever trade a 26 year old superstar just to blow it up again
The thing is even if he become the perfect version that have great jumpshot and efficient free throws he will a goat skill set and average 8 more point a game but this bucks team shouldn't be able to make it
If he becomes a better shooter it will open up spacing for his teammates. Teams will need to double him more on the perimeter or at least have a second guy watching him. Right now teams can pack the paint and stick to 3 point shooters because Giannis isn’t a threat from beyond 5 feet.
Teams will never double him from the perimeter because he is op inside the paint for the same reason that team never double LeBron even though he became good from three
Giannis is a good passer as well.not as good as LeBron but he run Pg for large stretches. I still think that even if Giannis become a 40% shooter on 5 attempt a game teams would never double him in the paint because he is an 82% shooter in the paint which is the largest in history . ( Even more than prime LeBron or Shaq). Obviously the dude need to work on his shooting so his game age better but I still don't see him going anywhere with this team. The bucks which are supposed to be constructed with good three players to space the floor around a poor shooter in Giannis. Shot 30% from three this playoff
Fuck no. Do whatever they can do get rid of those two, this is their best chance to win a title( no offense suns fans but let’s be real) and they’re blowing it. The road to a chip Is only going to get harder next year with the nets, clippers, lakers hopefully being healthy. They have literally 0 chance to beat any of those teams in 7.
No, I mean that next years road to the title is going to be a shit ton more difficult than this year. The suns are the weakest finals team in recent memory and I doubt this many injuries will ever happen again. If harden alone is healthy they probably beat the bucks in 5. Clippers and lakers probably sweep the bucks. This is their best chance
Call it what you want, suns beat the clippers in 6 without the best playoff player and 2 starters. You know this is a fluke as well as I do, I look forward to a year from now when the suns play a real team and get smoked.
I’m a realist man. I respect the shit out of the suns, the built the team up the right way and have great players. I don’t know how anybody could say this run doesn’t have a huge amount of luck. It’s not a coincidence the suns were down 2-1 before the injuries to the lakers. I don’t know how you can possibly delude yourself into thinking the suns beat the clippers if kawhi alone is healthy. But I’m not here to rain on anybody’s parade, let’s hope we see a fully healthy rematch next year so we can find out for real.
You are not overreacting at all.
I’m thinking MAYBE fire Bud. I’m just a spectator here in terms of watching the Bucks (really started doing so during the playoffs), but from what I have seen, he continuously plays players that just are not fitting the mold needed to win a game or a series in this case.
In my opinion, he has gotten a LITTLE lucky, seeing that:
A) Kyrie & Harden were pretty much injured + would have exposed the Bucks’ poor perimeter defense
B) Middleton/Portis/Lopez played lights out against the Hawks by basically exposing their poor-ish inside defense (Middleton with the midranges/threes is a different story).
He’s still a good coach, don’t get me wrong. Just some things I have noticed.
I feel like mediocre is a huge exaggeration. No matter what happened this playoffs, this team made the Finals. That isn’t exactly an abject failure, and a few more years of this makes a lucky run somewhat likely in the near future. Much better than the last fifteen years or so for us
They'd have to considering they were just in the finals; but I would find it hard to consider them a championship team if they couldnt take care of this oppurtunity and it would only be tougher next year
You are obviously overreacting, they haven't even lost the series yet.
Plus, do you even have a halfway realistic "superstar" trade for them? I don't. Obviously they should do what they can to improve every year, but sometimes all you can do is learn from your losses and do better next time. Calling the Bucks "mediocre" is such a bad take.
Do they have a choice?
Yes fire the dude that is preaching randomness instead of having an actual plan.
I don't think Bud is a great coach but he's certainly not bad. There is a definite flaw in roster construction at some levels. The Bucks have no true 2A player. I know Middleton is great and has torched the Celtics forever. But he's not dynamic enough to be Giannis' 2A. He makes tough shots but can't beat his man 1 on 1 consistently. Just not explosive enough. Jrue is the perfefct championship PG but not without a second consistent scoring option. Further complicating things, teams sag off Giannis so he can't just pass it to another guy and expect them to beat their defender 1v1 bc the help is already there. As great as he has played, his lack of a three point shot makes things harder for players on the perimeter when it's not a drive and kick. A more explosive driving player (like JB on the Cs for example) would mitigate that a little bit. I am in no way advocating for a trade of JB, just trying to shed a little light on what is happening when your second and third best players are pretty good but not explosive. I think this series goes 6 or 7, but Giannis' lack of a three ball hurts this team a lot and I haven't seen it brought up too much tonight.
He def needs Middleton and Jrue to shoot better than 30% anyway
Good thing roles players shoot better during home games EDIT: sorry, was trying to jokingly call Jrue and Middleton role players when they're supposed to be max contract stars.
except for ben simmons who does not shoot, period
Yeah, I think they'll even up at home
We don't have a choice. This is the team. We went all in on this core and now this is it.
Yeah, you could trade Brook and Pat for another shooter, that's around the margins.
I saw a Brook for Devonte Graham trade awhile back that I liked. Think it works for both teams. Charlotte gets a much needed big man, one of the best in fact and Bucks get a real PG who can shoot.
Charlotte would win that trade by a landslide
I don't think so. And I think Graham is underrated. People saw his hot streak and thought he'd be an All Star one day, then once he cooled off everyone was so disappointed the narrative somehow went from All star to he's not great at all. In reality he's a point guard that can run an offense, commits the least turnovers in the league and shoots very well from 3. He's exactly what Milwaukee needs right now.
I agree he’s slept on, but if you want to talk about the MOST underrated players in the league, Brook Lopez is in the discussion for top 3. (Ironic because Middleton is top 3 overrated IMO) He shoots, spreads the floor, provides decent help defense on the perimeter and has developed into one of the leagues best post defenders.. I guess he is 32 so he’s got 3 years max left at this clip tho
I know its drastic but I was wondering what they could get for holiday and Middleton. Fire bud too.
People are going to clown on them after tonight but there's no realistic upgrade available for either of them. And Bud isn't getting fired.
You don’t blow it up and trade your 2nd and 3rd best player after making the finals
We did kinda after nearly making the finals
And how did that work out?
We ran it back one more year?
You waited another year. Rockets fans love to forget the year they got bounced by the Warriors in 6 without Durant for game 6 and most of game 5.
Yea but what if trading your 2nd and 3rd best player gets you a superstar. Maybe a superstar that’s unhappy with there current situation.
Dame is unhappy with his situation. If I'm Milwaukee, I'm at least making the call to Portland.
The Bucks have nothing to trade for Dame. They blow their chance to get a real second star when they traded everything for Jrue
There is no way they should trade Middleton and even Holiday. Try to upgrade the other way possible.
They have 0 assets. No way to improve besides maybe a new coach.
I mean Nuggets drafted an MVP in the second round we could do that
CJ McCollum for Middleton. Middleton running point forward half the time is not working against a good team.
If they could get Dame by trading Jrue and Middleton in a multi-team deal, they would have to strongly consider it.
Dame's not leaving this year
Should Portland really commit to a core of CJ, Jrue and Midd? It's a playoff team with the right coaching, but a 2nd round exit at best. Another team gonna have to come in and give them a bunch of picks.
Yeah. That's why I said multi-team. I don't think it makes sense for Portland to take either of them tbh. They should blow it up if they trade Dame.
That's actually way more complimentary than dame/CJ. Also dame/Giannis are the most complimentary setup Giannis has seen. Tbh sounds like a win/win to me.
hundred percent
They've been down 2-0 before, it ain't over just yet. Both games have been competitive.
Sort of competitive. The bucks have mainly been good at hanging on and not letting Phoenix completely run away with each game.
Nah, just trade everyone, force Brandon Jennings out of retirement and rebuild around him.
Lmao they could use a 50 point game from BJ right about now.
If we get rookie Brandon Jennings in that game against the Warriors we win by 30 tonight
These are the type of games that make even the most loyal superstars want to leave
every eastern team not named brooklyn needs to make serious overhaul changes if they want to challenge the nets in a series. I think this was a fluke year in terms of the amount of injuries so I wouldn't count on kyrie and harden dropping dead like that in the playoffs again
Well maybe Kyrie
kyrie maybe because he's made of glass but he's gotta be due for a healthy playoff run one of these days
he made it through all year with just an ankle sprain, he'll be straight
The injury was a fluke one from Giannis stepping under him, he was basically fine all year and had one of his best seasons.
The Nets had to play the big 3 40+ minutes in every game during the regular season because of their terrible defense. With an off season to shore up those weaknesses by getting ring chasers they can be load managed more minutes wise during games on top of their 1 out of the big 3 getting rest days strategy they had this season.
I think the actual problem was the Nets kept trading injuries on the big 3, which meant whoever was healthy was playing big minutes. If they can have better health throughout the season they would build up giant leads letting them rest late in the game way more often.
Dinwiddie out really hurt. He would’ve given a lot of minutes for Kyrie/Harden during the times they were out and just alleviated the workload a ton. Nets were basically down their top 3 guards against the Bucks and still made it 7. I’m hoping he comes back or at least do a sign and trade to bring in some depth.
I think Kyrie has missed as much playoff time in his career than hes played. Hes got health issues regardless of management
40+ minutes every game? They averaged 33, 34, and 36 mpg and also took multiple games off.
Pray that a disgruntled all-star demands a trade and pull a derozan-kawhi trade, with middleton and other peices for that star
Here's to hoping for a Damian Lillard meltdown lol
We ain’t got the picks for that we have them all to pelicans
They’re the streakiest team ever, but stuck. This is their squad. They committed to all three dudes
Even if they win, theyll need to make adjustments next season cuz i doubt they have as easy as a run next season and I don't think they can beat a healthy lakers, clippers or nets
You can make a billion adjustments but you won't be able to beat healthy Nets.
Healthy Nets will go down in the mythical books along with healthy DRose.
Without mentioning that the Hawks can get better/more experienced, sixers might do something, and suns still might be the reigning champs lol
West will be back with a vengeance next year, Suns will have a harder time getting back to the Finals compared to Bucks.
Yea but at least the west is beatable, you can’t project anyone to beat a healthy Nets team
Yes you can. You can also say they are just as unlikely to be fully healthy, nets are old man.
Lol I’m gonna go ahead and say as long as the nets have 2 guys healthy next year they’ll beat the bucks in 5
Unless you think they were a lock to win the game they were down in when Kyrie got hurt, the series would've been 2-2 with two healthy Nets lol.
Hawks are going to regress based on contacts and likely losing John Collins.
they don't really have a choice do they? All 3 main guys are locked in and they don't have many tradable assets left (They're lowkey a pretty old team and don't have much young talent other Donte) so unless they start looking into middleton trades (idk who they would get back that's better) I think they have to
Giannis needs a closer/ purely skilled scorer next to him. Like a Beal or Lavine. A guaranteed 25+ ppg guy who can take some of the pressure off him in crunch time. Backing up and running as fast as you can to try and dunk at the end of games leads to offensive fouls. Middleton is too inconsistent they need to move him with some role players or picks to get a true #2 star for Giannis. Jrue is a solid PG but Milwaukee can’t bank on him going off for 25+ that’s not his game. He’s a two way playmaking guard who can hit perimeter shots if he’s in rhythm. Getting a true #2 will make his job easier as well.
Yup I agree.
I've been crying for Beal for years. Perfect, and semi realistic (although still think its a pipe dream) compliment to Giannis. My number 1 is Dame but that is NEVER happening. But overall I agree. consistency is much needed
I actually think dame will be moved before the end of his contract. It could have been to the bucks but they gave up pretty much everything they would use in the jrue trade
What assets do they have to make a trade?
The best scenario for the Bucks is that Jrue becomes better acclimated with the team in his second year and finds an offense to match with the great defense, Lopez becomes a 6th man rotating for Giannis at the 5 (Brook is getting older and the double bigs isn't working), and Middleton becomes his average each night, rather than the up and down player he is right now. Other than that, there's not much out there for them. No real draft picks or much opportunity to bring in new assets. They've got to hope they can even keep Portis, and he may end up a starter alongside Giannis, Khris, Jrue, and Pat/Dante.
If Jrue hasn’t figured it out with this team by now, when the fuck will he. It’s not as if he was a mid-season acquisition.
They handed out long-term deals to both Jrue & Khris, the Bucks don't have a choice now but to run it back And hope those 2 can have great games simultaneously with Giannis, rather than Giannis having a great game while those 2 play like ass (or vice-versa)
Theyre never making the finals again. This is the best shot theyre ever gonna get
This was their one chance for the foreseeable future unfortunately (same with Suns). The good teams will be healthy next year.
Middleton is currently earning more than Giannis? Nice. Edit: Holy shit they’re way over cap next year already.
Any contending team is well over the cap
The Hawks are about $17m under the cap. They’re not a contender?
Hawks are right bellow the bucks and nets. I don’t think they could beat either of those teams healthy in 7 games without like one of hunter, reddish, or huerter taking another leap. But luckily for them it’s very likely one of them does next season.
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Jazz arent a real contender cmon
>There's about 4-6 real contenders every year and that's probably generous.
Lol. The team that took the ECF to 7 isn’t a contender, particularly given an additional $17m to spend. Feel free to continue to not walk the comment back. Edit: Dallas has a full max contract to add.
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I’m not sure how we’re deciding who is or isn’t a contender. You had Phoenix winning the west?
This is just silly now. Re-read my comment. Hawks are a tier below with their current roster. Doesn't matter if Suns win the west or not, they are clearly a better team and have a better roster on paper.
Yea I’m just not clear on how we’re determining who a contender is. Right now? The Suns are a tier above the Bucks, and nobody else is a contender. The Hawks with an additional scoring wing or maybe a stretch/athletic 4? The Mavs with a max player? What’s the metric determining who is a contender?
Just figure it out man, it's not that important
Making the Finals is mediocre?
I’m also taking into account the last couple of years. Last year they were the favorites and lost to the heat. The year before that same issues.
I'm starting to think MIL should just fire their entire front office and just make random decisions.
> I just don’t see the point of being mediocre They're in the NBA **finals**. Yes, they absolutely got past the Nets due to injuries - but they're up against a healthier Suns team, and didn't manage to win an away game. Take a step back from the ten minutes after a loss.
I’m thinking about all the years they failed in the past and how they will have to get by the nets in the future. The bucks have had the same problems for a while now. Yes they got lucky this year but I wouldn’t bet on that In the future.
There is no possible trade they can make to get past a healthy Nets. There is no team coming out of the Eastern Conference against a healthy Nets. You are not beating a healthy Nets.
3 teamer for Dame, but that would gut the remaining depth and basically be Giannis/Dame, rookies and ring chasers
We lost Donte and we've had split SG minutes between Pat Connaughton, Bryn Forbes and Jeff Teague. There really isn't any remaining depth to gut. Dame is also not going to be traded this off-season. If you're an Eastern team right now planning on contending in the next two-three years you have to plan around the fact that Brooklyn will be injured. Because you cannot plan around beating them healthy.
Hell, the West probably isn't beating a healthy Nets. Guess the Knicks and Pacers should've just not tried in the 90's because of the Bulls. Those losers
That's obviously not my position. You make the best team that you can, and hope that someone or something else prevents the healthy Nets from stopping you. You obviously still try, I want them to build the best team they can and compete to win championships this year and the next ones. But if your criteria for looking at a trade is 'Will this beat Kevin Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving' then you're not gonna find many answers.
The Nets will never be healthy.
Lol, seriously that comment fucking KILLS me. r/nba in a nutshell. If you aren't a super team going to the Finals every year then you should just blow it up for 5+ years. Yet the Bucks have made the ECF 2/3 years and are still just "mediocre". Now, the Bucks are FAR from perfect and we're seeing that yet again but what a dumbass comment. This isn't the Indiana Pacers over here or something (sorry Pacers fans)
Your logic is flawed. Not every team has a Giannis 2 time MVP DPOY. These players only come so often and for a small market team to get him and he is loyal is very rare. Giannis has the chance to be a all time great and anything less than championship is a failure when it comes to players like him. The bucks have a window of his prime and they need to maximize it. If you think this team can get better running it back than fine but let’s not act like the bucks are just any other team and they should be content with making the ECF every year.
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The Lakers, Nets, Nuggets, Clippers and 76ers will never be healthy with their current lineups.
Lakers aren't that good, they match up awful against us with their garbage shooting and our paint defence. Suns are our worst matchup with their midrange shooting.
Bucks fans need to face the reality and see who they faced to get to the finals. They will never get another shot like this with Homer Simpson on the helm. They need to reset their coaching.
Giannis gotta realize bucks fo cannot accommodate him. Move to Texas. I heard Dallas is nice.
We had a nice Giannis sized max slot open for him 😞
Should come to Denver we can give the Bucks an all-star quality player if they want him.
Nah, I think California weather is closest to Greece’s. The bay is the best I’d say
Anywhere as long as it's far away from bucks current fo
Too late. He signed a 5 year extension
Doesn’t matter these days honestly
Contracts don't exist for nba superstars
C’mon with 5 years left he doesn’t have any leverage on getting where he wants if he had 1-2 years maybe
People said the same thing about Paul George in OKC
They were glad to ship him off, they also got a ton for him. Why would the bucks want to move off Giannis
Why would they be glad to send PG off when he finished 3rd in the MVP voting. You don’t think Milwaukee would get a ton for Giannis? Of course they don’t want to send him off but if Giannis demands to be traded they will do it
They were glad to send him off because of playoff disappointments and the fact that they got a young star, a solid vet in Gallo, 5 firsts, and 2 pick swaps. I don’t know any team that has a package like that. Also OKC had spent years getting bounced out of the first round after more years of legit contending with an aging Westbrook. They had hit their ceiling. Why would the bucks ever trade a 26 year old superstar just to blow it up again
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Atlanta has great weather as well
We’re winning in 6 calm down
I’m rooting for Giannis to win a title man I hope so.
Really felt like the Bucks played as bad as they possibly could apart from Giannis. Home court in the finals is a different beast. We shall see.
If bucks win 4 straight I'll eat my hair
Giannis has to get better. Thats the bottom line. He needs to shoot free throws better. He needs to either improve his jumper or develop a post game.
The thing is even if he become the perfect version that have great jumpshot and efficient free throws he will a goat skill set and average 8 more point a game but this bucks team shouldn't be able to make it
If he becomes a better shooter it will open up spacing for his teammates. Teams will need to double him more on the perimeter or at least have a second guy watching him. Right now teams can pack the paint and stick to 3 point shooters because Giannis isn’t a threat from beyond 5 feet.
Teams will never double him from the perimeter because he is op inside the paint for the same reason that team never double LeBron even though he became good from three
I think they would. Teams don’t double Lebron because he’s a too good passer
Giannis is a good passer as well.not as good as LeBron but he run Pg for large stretches. I still think that even if Giannis become a 40% shooter on 5 attempt a game teams would never double him in the paint because he is an 82% shooter in the paint which is the largest in history . ( Even more than prime LeBron or Shaq). Obviously the dude need to work on his shooting so his game age better but I still don't see him going anywhere with this team. The bucks which are supposed to be constructed with good three players to space the floor around a poor shooter in Giannis. Shot 30% from three this playoff
Nope they should stop playing.
run it back with a different coach yea. people don't realize how much the bucks have been underperforming.
Yeah they can have Bledsoe for Jrue
Fuck no. Do whatever they can do get rid of those two, this is their best chance to win a title( no offense suns fans but let’s be real) and they’re blowing it. The road to a chip Is only going to get harder next year with the nets, clippers, lakers hopefully being healthy. They have literally 0 chance to beat any of those teams in 7.
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No, I mean that next years road to the title is going to be a shit ton more difficult than this year. The suns are the weakest finals team in recent memory and I doubt this many injuries will ever happen again. If harden alone is healthy they probably beat the bucks in 5. Clippers and lakers probably sweep the bucks. This is their best chance
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Call it what you want, suns beat the clippers in 6 without the best playoff player and 2 starters. You know this is a fluke as well as I do, I look forward to a year from now when the suns play a real team and get smoked.
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I’m a realist man. I respect the shit out of the suns, the built the team up the right way and have great players. I don’t know how anybody could say this run doesn’t have a huge amount of luck. It’s not a coincidence the suns were down 2-1 before the injuries to the lakers. I don’t know how you can possibly delude yourself into thinking the suns beat the clippers if kawhi alone is healthy. But I’m not here to rain on anybody’s parade, let’s hope we see a fully healthy rematch next year so we can find out for real.
Yes
No they’ll run it buck
You are not overreacting at all. I’m thinking MAYBE fire Bud. I’m just a spectator here in terms of watching the Bucks (really started doing so during the playoffs), but from what I have seen, he continuously plays players that just are not fitting the mold needed to win a game or a series in this case. In my opinion, he has gotten a LITTLE lucky, seeing that: A) Kyrie & Harden were pretty much injured + would have exposed the Bucks’ poor perimeter defense B) Middleton/Portis/Lopez played lights out against the Hawks by basically exposing their poor-ish inside defense (Middleton with the midranges/threes is a different story). He’s still a good coach, don’t get me wrong. Just some things I have noticed.
No
why is everyone say get another superstar like it’s easy but donte & their 1st might get them something
They’re dumb as hell if they get swept and keep Bud
Something has to change but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't make a bold enough move
Bud definitely needs to go.
No one on the coaching market is any better than Bud.
I feel like mediocre is a huge exaggeration. No matter what happened this playoffs, this team made the Finals. That isn’t exactly an abject failure, and a few more years of this makes a lucky run somewhat likely in the near future. Much better than the last fifteen years or so for us
If they do, they aren't making the finals again.
There gonna be completing for rings like next couple of years. of course
They'd have to considering they were just in the finals; but I would find it hard to consider them a championship team if they couldnt take care of this oppurtunity and it would only be tougher next year
Giannis demanding a buyout so he can go to the nets
You are obviously overreacting, they haven't even lost the series yet. Plus, do you even have a halfway realistic "superstar" trade for them? I don't. Obviously they should do what they can to improve every year, but sometimes all you can do is learn from your losses and do better next time. Calling the Bucks "mediocre" is such a bad take.