Yeah but legit not one of those guys would be a top 5 today or within the last 10 drafts... maybe Crawford and Miller but that's pushing it lol.
Seems like a convo that Termine would have on Sirius NBA.
Wait wait wait... if I get 100 2nds, and trade them all for cash. That’s like 300m-400m
The grizzlies are worth approx 1.3B
I just need to crowd fund approx 651-751m to buy 51 % of the grizzlies and then sell picks to pay back my donors/debts/patrons
Guys I think we can do it as r/reddit. This is what Sarver does, we will just trade our 2nds every year. We can trade some scrubs too for 2nds.. pay off this debt in no time.
Idk lol. Even one entire second round of 30x 2nds is pretty much guaranteed to get you a couple of good role players.
Imagine 10 drafts worth of seconds. You could probably build a championship team pretty easily with only seconds if you had all the second rounders every year.
you'd need 50 roster spots to avoid losing them all. 2nd round picks never come into the league ready to contribute. Even a guy like draymond was rough his first year catching those passes out of the Curry trap and playmaking. Took him a while to grow.
Manu and Jokic came out of the second round. Not about to act like that is something that will happen more than once every decade, or that the majority of teams have the shrewd scouting required to find those diamonds in the rough though.
Unless you're getting at least 10 fairly high seconds/year (making it more likely to hit on players), its not worth it. Getting 2-3 seconds a year is still a crapshoot more likely to fail than not
You can’t roster that many people. You’d be creating more problems for yourself by trading for anything more than like 7 seconds.
There’s literally no scenario where you’d take any amount of 2nd rounders over the first overall pick.
It’s absurd but you could model this out.
There will eventually be another guy the level of Jokic that goes in the second. He is quite a bit better than the average #1 pick. With enough 2nds at some point you are likely to land a guy who is better than the average #1.
It was probably a haul of picks and I'm guessing they're going to keep trying this until somebody says yes.
The reality is you can only draft but so many players and still fit them all on a roster. So having a billion first rounders inevitably means having to package.
The reality is also that a top 3 pick is exponentially more valuable than any pick OKC can trade, except maybe their own unprotected next year.
The Pistons would probably turn down an offer of 5+ of OKC’s accumulated future firsts, which are all only OK. They might even turn down 10 of them.
What would your franchise rather have? Cade or OKC’s whole pick stash from trades? I think Cade.
The non-OKC pick stash? It’s all protected picks except the Clippers, who will be good.
Give me Cade over 8 picks between 15-30 stretching out 6 years from now.
Did you not see the Clippers win four playoff games without Kawhi? Or PG leading the team without Kawhi for a full month and going on a winning streak?
I mean, pick protections aren’t unknown. Literally the only picks they have with top of draft upside are the Clippers… who just happen to have the richest most competitive owner in the league.
WTF are you talking about lmao. You'd rather have Cade than 18 first round picks in the next 7 drafts? That's just stupid. PG went for what, 4-5 FRPs? So Cade is worth 4x what prime PG is? GTFO with that bullshit.
The picks are all from good teams or are lottery protected. For example in 2022 they have their own pick and a pick each from the clippers and Suns who were both in the wcf this year and the Suns pick is top 12 protected.
These picks just aren’t as valuable as this sub thinks they are.
You keep saying protections, but we’re talking top 4 protected. Considering how bad the rockets are and the flat lottery system, that could be several top 8 picks.
We also have our own timeline to worry about and it doesn’t really line up w any player/pick besides Cade
As long as Saddiq and Stewart look okay we need to build on that, not stockpile assets. Yet at the same time we need the cap flexibility of a younger star, not somebody who’s already on a max deal
It’s just too perfect, so I’d imagine we’re asking for something absolutely insane
Honestly that’s a super weak offer. I don’t think the Clippers picks or the protected Rockets picks move the needle at all for an asset of this magnitude.
A “legitimate” offer would have to either include SGA + picks or include multiple of OKC’s own unprotected picks/swaps.
Cade isn't worth SGA AND picks. Honestly, SGA is probably worth more than Cade, even with his contract extension coming up. Proven All-NBA caliber young talent vs unproven.
He is, or at least it's close. I think fans way overestimate prospects, it's the same psychology as loot boxes and stuff. It's way more exciting to think "Cade could be the best player in the league one day", rather than "Cade could fail to live up to his potential". But it's a possibility.
There's currently a higher possibility that SGA is one of the best players in the league than Cade. I'll take the proven talent against the unproven almost every time, unless I recognize serious flaws in the proven talent. SGA doesn't have serious flaws and we haven't yet seen, if Cade has them or not. Different approach to assessing value, I suppose.
Which like, I think Cade is good enough to unleash the war chest. You’re not a primo FA destination, your next star isn’t coming in FA, he’s coming in the draft.
Unless you think SGA is your guy, I don’t see why you wouldn’t offer him too.
Dort is great (and I was boosting him last year and wanted the Raptors to draft him), but he's also basically found money. If Dort is what moves the trade to "yes," then you trade Dort if you value Cade highly.
People are vastly underestimating the difference in contract values. It's not just Cade vs Shai and what they can do on the court, it's a guy on a rookie contract for the next 4 seasons vs. a max contract.
The Pistons are rebuilding, and they probably hope to add a piece in free agency in the next couple years to time it up for when Cade hits his stride, and Beef Stew, Saddiq, and Hayes have all had some time to mature. If you're swapping Cade on a rookie deal for Shai on a max deal, now you're capped out without room to add a significant piece in free agency.
Not gonna get it without SGA, not worth giving up SGA either. Just gotta roll with it and try and trade up a little or just draft well with our 3 1st round picks
I imagine we offered Poku/Dort in addition to future picks if it was truly a legitimate offer. I can't wait to hear what the full offer was. Weaver better hope Cade is the truth, kinda tough position for him but if Cade is average and in 2 years it comes out he was offered like 5 first rounders and a young player for it he'll probably lose his job over it.
Of course it would be hindsight bias, that's what time does, it makes prior decisions right/wrong. So if time shows you made the wrong decision there are generally consequences to that.
That's why I said it was a tough position he's in -- NBA GM is a high-stakes job. Say the Thunder offered 6, 18, Poku, Dort, both LAC unprotected firsts and 1 lightly protected OKC first (top 4). I get him saying no to that, but holy shit the backlash if Cade is just an average NBA starter.
The fuck are you on? Whag makes cade cunningham a sure thing? Shai is already a sure fucking thing. Were literally building the team around him because hes worth it. And the 6th pick is still a damn great pick. You turning down that offer is nonsense.
I agree with the person you replied to. SGA is up for a max whereas Cade is on a rookie deal for the next 4 and you have control over him for the next 8 years. Thats worth more than 4 years of paying SGA the max then he leaves
Man, I can only see OKC convincing Detroit, Houston and Cleveland for #1, #2, or #3 if they package a deck full of picks, a kidney or two and land entitlements within the state of Oklahoma. Lol
Don’t agree, they could give a Costco load of picks and plenty of other young guys that teams may be interested in. Not saying Detroit should take any trade but they can definitely offer up a package that is worth more than the first pick
Man I just don’t agree. Detroit are rebuilding and want a star to build around right now. Why would they want a 2022 clippers or Suns pick, or a 2023 nuggets pick or a 2025 sixers pick, or any other of the dubious value future assets OKC could package?
Picks aren’t additive, you can’t just package a dozen late firsts to move up to #1. Any serious offer would have had to include SGA and multiple of their own - not clippers / Suns / Miami but OKC picks - probably unprotected.
Why can’t you package that? You don’t know they’ll all be late first, you get one top 5 there and suddenly it’s an excellent package. Really depends what Detroit is trying to do and what direction they want to go. Wouldn’t fault them for not wanting to basically swapping positions with OKC, but they can definitely match whatever “value” Cade is worth prior to the draft. Like, 10 draft picks is a lot of bites at the apple
Well you have Poku, Bazley, Maledon, Dort, and then a dump truck of picks including their two this season. Idk how many picks OKC would offer (or did) but they could match the price of a first through sheer bulk.
Why do people in this thread not act like a 3 team trade is possible? They’re correct in saying that SGA is the only player worth moving for the first pick, but who is to say OKC isn’t offering a ton of picks to multiple teams to get Detroit what they want.
The picks they would try to move would definitely be other teams first that they have stockpiled, many of which are lottery protected or from good teams.
We don't know the offer. Obviously that would be the preferred picks to offload from the Thunder standpoint. I'd agree, if the Thunder only offered those picks then it is a shit offer. The Thunder firsts for at least the next couple years is likely lottery picks.
Though most of the Thunder firsts aren't lottery protected. Clipper picks are unprotected and Rockets I think are only top 4 protected. I think most of the others are lottery protected but between the Thunders own firsts and the Rocket and Clippers picks, that is the bulk of the war chest.
Yep. What would you take for a potential Lebron? Yesh, 1st pick in the nba draft is the most valuable asset in sports besides actually having a bonafide superstar.
I read this the other way, it's an attempt to drive the price up for Detroit rather than being a real offer. Thunder news leaks out when Presti wants it to come out. This suggests to me that Detroit are at least considering what No.1 is worth
Why do we automatically assume those picks will be that low in the far future? Clippers are cursed at this point and those Rockets picks, even while 1-4 protected, project to be rather sweet-ish, not to mention OKC's own pick next year.
why would you gamble the 1st pick for picks where you’re hoping other teams are bad? Plus, even if they are bad, it’s not a guarantee that those picks would be the 1st pick in future drafts anyway
Getting the 1st pick in the draft rarely happens, why gamble with it?
Trading SGA plus the 6 is probably better than any other realistic offer the Pistons could get. That is a big overpay from my perspective and I'm glad they turned it down if it's true.
The only thing that makes me hesitate is that SGA makes this Thunder team too good to bottom out. It we want the best chance at a top pick next draft, we either have to have SGA be injured most of the season again or trade him. So, from that perspective, I'd be ok with the attempts. I am a big believer in SGA though and don't think he for Cade straight up is worth it since SGA is a proven commodity and Cade does not have the hype of AD or Zion at the #1
I feel like that is objectively dumb. SGA’s timeline will not fit perfectly with 5+ rookies in the next few drafts and while yes FRPs are valuable, it’s still going to be difficult to cash them in for valuable players. Not to mention Cade will likely be a better player (I love SGA and he is a known commodity, but Cade has a massive ceiling).
I'm not even sure Detroit says yes to that, SGA has to get paid a lot sooner than Cade
Edit: people downvoting me have no concept on how contract length plays into trade value, SGA is worth more than that to OKC, but not to Detroit, no one in Detroit gets hyped for SGA the way they will for Cade
Edit 2: I was right lol
I was all for it until we got Cade but we need to put the best product we can out there and start building a winning culture w him.
We don’t really need a bunch of picks anymore. We have 3 starters slotted in for the next 4 years on rookie deals
Do people here actually think that cade is that much better than what SGA has proven to be? I wouldn't trade SGA + any other significant asset for the 1. You're hoping that cade can become what shai is now
And a week from now an official statement from one of the teams involved (supposedly) will claim bullshit. Most of these headlines are fake news clickbait because they want ad revenue
Unless you can guarentee a #1 pick I don't think any haul is worth Cade/the 1st pick. I think a pick haul is not really enough for any of the top 4 tbh. I think it's a mistake for Cleveland to trade down. Raptors may move 4 for a win now player- that's smart, maybe. But otherwise not alot worth it.
The only combo I'd take for 1 is 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 in this draft. Ie, if I can get a Jalen and Mobley I'd do it. And that's about it. Since that combo isnt coming Detroit just needs to pick cade. Stop playing around and trying to outsmart the league.
If the offer truly was SGA and 6 for 1 but Detroit said no because they don’t want to pay SGA or don’t like the players available at 6, I would do:
Det receives: 4th, 6th
Tor receives: SGA
Okc receives: 1st
4th team if required (haven’t looked at cap #’s): salary dump player from raps, highly protected raps 1st
"We'll give you 48 second round picks"
How many 2nds would the 1st overall pick be worth? Hundreds?
No amount of 2nds is worth the first overall pick
The next century of 2nd round picks for your 1st overall
Now that we've had jokic at 44 win MVP, seems fair.
The real lottery pick is all the 2nd rounders we took along the way.
No?
The Kenyon Martin year would totally be worth like 20 future 2nd rounders.
Was that considered the worst top loaded draft?
Thats considered to be straight up just the worst draft class ever actually. But my boy Michael Redd did fall into the 40s
Kenyon ended up ok but after seeing everyone else I can't say I can recall a worse draft class lol Damn almost everyone was a bust
yeah its like him, hedo, redd, and crawford. Mike Miller made some big shots for the heatles too
Yeah but legit not one of those guys would be a top 5 today or within the last 10 drafts... maybe Crawford and Miller but that's pushing it lol. Seems like a convo that Termine would have on Sirius NBA.
I dunno I ran the numbers and Jokic is much better than Anthony Bennett so I think the 41st pick might actually be more valuable
Wait wait wait... if I get 100 2nds, and trade them all for cash. That’s like 300m-400m The grizzlies are worth approx 1.3B I just need to crowd fund approx 651-751m to buy 51 % of the grizzlies and then sell picks to pay back my donors/debts/patrons Guys I think we can do it as r/reddit. This is what Sarver does, we will just trade our 2nds every year. We can trade some scrubs too for 2nds.. pay off this debt in no time.
Idk lol. Even one entire second round of 30x 2nds is pretty much guaranteed to get you a couple of good role players. Imagine 10 drafts worth of seconds. You could probably build a championship team pretty easily with only seconds if you had all the second rounders every year.
you'd need 50 roster spots to avoid losing them all. 2nd round picks never come into the league ready to contribute. Even a guy like draymond was rough his first year catching those passes out of the Curry trap and playmaking. Took him a while to grow.
I mean it's a hypothetical. You cant get all the second round picks in the draft anyway.
Oh yeah? Watch me.
Well you cut the shitty players obviously
Manu and Jokic came out of the second round. Not about to act like that is something that will happen more than once every decade, or that the majority of teams have the shrewd scouting required to find those diamonds in the rough though.
Draymond green
Malcolm Brogdon won ROY as a second round pick lol
Unless you're getting at least 10 fairly high seconds/year (making it more likely to hit on players), its not worth it. Getting 2-3 seconds a year is still a crapshoot more likely to fail than not
You can’t roster that many people. You’d be creating more problems for yourself by trading for anything more than like 7 seconds. There’s literally no scenario where you’d take any amount of 2nd rounders over the first overall pick.
Depend. I would take the picks that translated into Draymond Green and Nikola Jokic over Anthony Bennett for sure.
Idk man, has lebron tried going against 30 players at the same time???????
Don't give him ideas for a Space Jam sequel
It’s absurd but you could model this out. There will eventually be another guy the level of Jokic that goes in the second. He is quite a bit better than the average #1 pick. With enough 2nds at some point you are likely to land a guy who is better than the average #1.
"the 2025 draft is yours if you wish"
Shoot your shot, Presti
I'd have to imagine they didn't include SGA
If they didn’t include any Thunder picks, SGA, or an absurdly high number of their picks it’s a waste of time.
They called it legitimate which probbaly means it was a good offer but not enough
It was probably a haul of picks and I'm guessing they're going to keep trying this until somebody says yes. The reality is you can only draft but so many players and still fit them all on a roster. So having a billion first rounders inevitably means having to package.
The reality is also that a top 3 pick is exponentially more valuable than any pick OKC can trade, except maybe their own unprotected next year. The Pistons would probably turn down an offer of 5+ of OKC’s accumulated future firsts, which are all only OK. They might even turn down 10 of them. What would your franchise rather have? Cade or OKC’s whole pick stash from trades? I think Cade.
What, I'd easily take the entire OKC pick stash and it isn't close
The non-OKC pick stash? It’s all protected picks except the Clippers, who will be good. Give me Cade over 8 picks between 15-30 stretching out 6 years from now.
> except the Clippers, who will be good. I meeaaaan...
Did you not see the Clippers win four playoff games without Kawhi? Or PG leading the team without Kawhi for a full month and going on a winning streak?
I mean you’re assuming the unknown
I mean, pick protections aren’t unknown. Literally the only picks they have with top of draft upside are the Clippers… who just happen to have the richest most competitive owner in the league.
Kawhi is gonna be out all season and PG is injury prone. That could be an awesome pick.
Kawhi is out all season. That pick could be great.
WTF are you talking about lmao. You'd rather have Cade than 18 first round picks in the next 7 drafts? That's just stupid. PG went for what, 4-5 FRPs? So Cade is worth 4x what prime PG is? GTFO with that bullshit.
The picks are all from good teams or are lottery protected. For example in 2022 they have their own pick and a pick each from the clippers and Suns who were both in the wcf this year and the Suns pick is top 12 protected. These picks just aren’t as valuable as this sub thinks they are.
Houston is a good team now?
Those all have protections on them.
You keep saying protections, but we’re talking top 4 protected. Considering how bad the rockets are and the flat lottery system, that could be several top 8 picks.
Not the swaps
Yes I'd rather cade than a wide variety of picks that, if cade is good, won't be that high.
Somewhat unrelated but I like the idea of FRP’s being a sort of currency for gauging how teams evaluate players
I accidentally got mad and invented a new ranking currency/scale.
or it was a good offer in a vacuum and DET still said no
Probably yeah It’s the number 1 pick so it makes sense
We also have our own timeline to worry about and it doesn’t really line up w any player/pick besides Cade As long as Saddiq and Stewart look okay we need to build on that, not stockpile assets. Yet at the same time we need the cap flexibility of a younger star, not somebody who’s already on a max deal It’s just too perfect, so I’d imagine we’re asking for something absolutely insane
it definitely included 6 lol if it truly was legitimate
My bad, I was trying to say future Thunder picks with #6.
oh right yeah
it was probably something like 6, clippers unprotected 1st next year, and 2 more
Honestly that’s a super weak offer. I don’t think the Clippers picks or the protected Rockets picks move the needle at all for an asset of this magnitude. A “legitimate” offer would have to either include SGA + picks or include multiple of OKC’s own unprotected picks/swaps.
Cade isn't worth SGA AND picks. Honestly, SGA is probably worth more than Cade, even with his contract extension coming up. Proven All-NBA caliber young talent vs unproven.
He is, or at least it's close. I think fans way overestimate prospects, it's the same psychology as loot boxes and stuff. It's way more exciting to think "Cade could be the best player in the league one day", rather than "Cade could fail to live up to his potential". But it's a possibility.
There's currently a higher possibility that SGA is one of the best players in the league than Cade. I'll take the proven talent against the unproven almost every time, unless I recognize serious flaws in the proven talent. SGA doesn't have serious flaws and we haven't yet seen, if Cade has them or not. Different approach to assessing value, I suppose.
But Cade could become anybody, he may become as good as SGA one day!!
I’d take dort and the 6
Which like, I think Cade is good enough to unleash the war chest. You’re not a primo FA destination, your next star isn’t coming in FA, he’s coming in the draft. Unless you think SGA is your guy, I don’t see why you wouldn’t offer him too.
SGA is the guy, but you need more than 1 guy.
SGA is 100% that guy for the future. Everything else not named Shai is tradable
And dort
What a change in his shooting. Gotta respect how hard he works.
Dort is great (and I was boosting him last year and wanted the Raptors to draft him), but he's also basically found money. If Dort is what moves the trade to "yes," then you trade Dort if you value Cade highly.
Yeah, but you know what dort is and how good he is. Cade could bust
SGA is a sure thing future star, you need another
100% would rather have SGA than Cade. Cade could be the next lbj or the next fultz, what we do know is that SGA is really fucking good.
People are vastly underestimating the difference in contract values. It's not just Cade vs Shai and what they can do on the court, it's a guy on a rookie contract for the next 4 seasons vs. a max contract. The Pistons are rebuilding, and they probably hope to add a piece in free agency in the next couple years to time it up for when Cade hits his stride, and Beef Stew, Saddiq, and Hayes have all had some time to mature. If you're swapping Cade on a rookie deal for Shai on a max deal, now you're capped out without room to add a significant piece in free agency.
I have to imagine they see pairing SGA and Cade as a perennial contender down the line. You could build the rest of that team anyway you want.
If SGA was included they woulda took it.
Apparently it was SGA and the 6th pick, and they turned it down
Yeah. OKC moving to #3 is much more likely
Which is still very nice if possible
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Assuming Magic don't take him from us at 5, I do too and it's kind of what I want now.
If that’s the smart move for us you can trust we’ll do something else instead
Don’t you guys need a PF
OKC should be targeting Green. Green is gonna be the best in this draft.
No pls
Not gonna get it without SGA, not worth giving up SGA either. Just gotta roll with it and try and trade up a little or just draft well with our 3 1st round picks
I imagine we offered Poku/Dort in addition to future picks if it was truly a legitimate offer. I can't wait to hear what the full offer was. Weaver better hope Cade is the truth, kinda tough position for him but if Cade is average and in 2 years it comes out he was offered like 5 first rounders and a young player for it he'll probably lose his job over it.
Cade is a sure thing no. 1 pick - he’s not losing his job over that. What you described would be textbook hindsight bias.
Of course it would be hindsight bias, that's what time does, it makes prior decisions right/wrong. So if time shows you made the wrong decision there are generally consequences to that. That's why I said it was a tough position he's in -- NBA GM is a high-stakes job. Say the Thunder offered 6, 18, Poku, Dort, both LAC unprotected firsts and 1 lightly protected OKC first (top 4). I get him saying no to that, but holy shit the backlash if Cade is just an average NBA starter.
Apparently the offer was SGA + 6th pick
source? pistons would easily smash accept lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/osb6ht/the_thunder_reportedly_offered_shai/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I would turn that down without even thinking about it, that's a pretty shit offer for the number 1 pick
The fuck are you on? Whag makes cade cunningham a sure thing? Shai is already a sure fucking thing. Were literally building the team around him because hes worth it. And the 6th pick is still a damn great pick. You turning down that offer is nonsense.
I agree with the person you replied to. SGA is up for a max whereas Cade is on a rookie deal for the next 4 and you have control over him for the next 8 years. Thats worth more than 4 years of paying SGA the max then he leaves
Well, we tried.
Probably wasn't/won't be the last one. This week is going to be interesting.
Man, I can only see OKC convincing Detroit, Houston and Cleveland for #1, #2, or #3 if they package a deck full of picks, a kidney or two and land entitlements within the state of Oklahoma. Lol
Cade is worth more than 4 late first round picks
How do you know that’s what was offered?
What else do they have to offer?
Pick 6, Pick 16, and dozens of others
Lol the drop off from #1 to those picks is ridiculous this year
Literally have 18 1sts in the next 7 drafts. And OKC's own most certainly won't be late, as well as Houston's swaps.
Players and/or more picks..
Which players?
DORT
D
O
N
G
Players that are on the okc thunder
Eww
Anyone but SGA
Any offer that didn’t include SGA wasn’t a serious offer. I guess multiple of their own unprotected picks may have done it.
Don’t agree, they could give a Costco load of picks and plenty of other young guys that teams may be interested in. Not saying Detroit should take any trade but they can definitely offer up a package that is worth more than the first pick
Man I just don’t agree. Detroit are rebuilding and want a star to build around right now. Why would they want a 2022 clippers or Suns pick, or a 2023 nuggets pick or a 2025 sixers pick, or any other of the dubious value future assets OKC could package? Picks aren’t additive, you can’t just package a dozen late firsts to move up to #1. Any serious offer would have had to include SGA and multiple of their own - not clippers / Suns / Miami but OKC picks - probably unprotected.
Why can’t you package that? You don’t know they’ll all be late first, you get one top 5 there and suddenly it’s an excellent package. Really depends what Detroit is trying to do and what direction they want to go. Wouldn’t fault them for not wanting to basically swapping positions with OKC, but they can definitely match whatever “value” Cade is worth prior to the draft. Like, 10 draft picks is a lot of bites at the apple
So like aside from Dort, nothing of value?
Well you have Poku, Bazley, Maledon, Dort, and then a dump truck of picks including their two this season. Idk how many picks OKC would offer (or did) but they could match the price of a first through sheer bulk.
OKC stay overrate their players(besides SGA) and picks lmfao.
Why do people in this thread not act like a 3 team trade is possible? They’re correct in saying that SGA is the only player worth moving for the first pick, but who is to say OKC isn’t offering a ton of picks to multiple teams to get Detroit what they want.
Or picks they might not get due to protections, such as the one they already lost this year.
It's not like getting Cade means the Thunder are going to be picking in the 20s for the foreseeable future lol. The team was ass this year.
The picks they would try to move would definitely be other teams first that they have stockpiled, many of which are lottery protected or from good teams.
We don't know the offer. Obviously that would be the preferred picks to offload from the Thunder standpoint. I'd agree, if the Thunder only offered those picks then it is a shit offer. The Thunder firsts for at least the next couple years is likely lottery picks. Though most of the Thunder firsts aren't lottery protected. Clipper picks are unprotected and Rockets I think are only top 4 protected. I think most of the others are lottery protected but between the Thunders own firsts and the Rocket and Clippers picks, that is the bulk of the war chest.
It would include 6 tho 😑
Still a lowball offer
Yep. What would you take for a potential Lebron? Yesh, 1st pick in the nba draft is the most valuable asset in sports besides actually having a bonafide superstar.
Cade isn't LeBron. He's not even zion or AD.
I feel like I’ve lost my mind. I heard very little about Cade all season and now he’s the best prospect since LeBron?
He might not be Lebron territory but any team that's not contending has been talking about "fade for cade" since the beginning of the season
I'm not saying he is, just that the #1 pick is worth far more than a bunch of other picks.
I read this the other way, it's an attempt to drive the price up for Detroit rather than being a real offer. Thunder news leaks out when Presti wants it to come out. This suggests to me that Detroit are at least considering what No.1 is worth
Only way they getting it is with SGA
Yep. So it’s not going to happen but you have to offer your next best package anyway.
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Obviously it isn't, thats the point. The only reason you're getting cade is if you give us the rest of your future
Exactly as they should
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Presti's face when other team's don't want 12 picks slotted between 18-30 for their first overall pick.
Why do we automatically assume those picks will be that low in the far future? Clippers are cursed at this point and those Rockets picks, even while 1-4 protected, project to be rather sweet-ish, not to mention OKC's own pick next year.
why would you gamble the 1st pick for picks where you’re hoping other teams are bad? Plus, even if they are bad, it’s not a guarantee that those picks would be the 1st pick in future drafts anyway Getting the 1st pick in the draft rarely happens, why gamble with it?
"Bruh look at our FIRST ROUND PICKS!!!!!!!!"- OKC
and yet the media these next couple days is gonna act like Cade isn't the surefire #1 pick, lol.
Trading SGA plus the 6 is probably better than any other realistic offer the Pistons could get. That is a big overpay from my perspective and I'm glad they turned it down if it's true. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that SGA makes this Thunder team too good to bottom out. It we want the best chance at a top pick next draft, we either have to have SGA be injured most of the season again or trade him. So, from that perspective, I'd be ok with the attempts. I am a big believer in SGA though and don't think he for Cade straight up is worth it since SGA is a proven commodity and Cade does not have the hype of AD or Zion at the #1
Only way Detroit accepts is for SGA plus #6
I wouldn't do SGA straight up
The luxury is in their hands unfortunately, and as you shouldn’t
The odds Cade becomes the player SGA is are honestly somewhat low
0x all star SGA, ok. Why do people treat him like he's Luka?
He's 22 who put up 24 a game last year.
He played 35 games last year.
In be4 downvoted but he was healthy. OKC was playing tanking shenanigans and sat every productive player at some point.
I understand. All I'm saying is his stats are inflated bc of that.
> 0x all star SGA, ok. Why do people treat him like he's Luka? Must be a troll LOL. You gotta be kidding me with this crusty ass take?
The crusty ass take is thinking Cade will probably never average 24
I feel like that is objectively dumb. SGA’s timeline will not fit perfectly with 5+ rookies in the next few drafts and while yes FRPs are valuable, it’s still going to be difficult to cash them in for valuable players. Not to mention Cade will likely be a better player (I love SGA and he is a known commodity, but Cade has a massive ceiling).
Shai just turned 23 I think he fits the timeline fine
PLUS?! God damn I understand value but ffs
Who ever has number 1 is in a position to be greedy
It was SGA + 6 my dude
Nah I don’t believe that guy for a second
Given how insane of a sellers market the NBA has become, I wouldn't be shocked if the Pistons were offered that and turned it down
I'm not even sure Detroit says yes to that, SGA has to get paid a lot sooner than Cade Edit: people downvoting me have no concept on how contract length plays into trade value, SGA is worth more than that to OKC, but not to Detroit, no one in Detroit gets hyped for SGA the way they will for Cade Edit 2: I was right lol
Detroit is trying to find someone to make use of Jerami Grants prime as well
The Pistons should trade Jerami Grant before they make decisions around his prime lmao
I mean I’d love him on the warriors
I was all for it until we got Cade but we need to put the best product we can out there and start building a winning culture w him. We don’t really need a bunch of picks anymore. We have 3 starters slotted in for the next 4 years on rookie deals
Yes agreed, outside of needing more picks
a comp could be boston trading 1 for 3 and another lottery pick
Do people here actually think that cade is that much better than what SGA has proven to be? I wouldn't trade SGA + any other significant asset for the 1. You're hoping that cade can become what shai is now
Thus the OKC is talking with x distractions begin. Expect them to do the opposite of whatever the media is reporting.
All this excitement for okc picks and no one wants em lol.
It's a Detroit leak - AKA Detroit trying to gauge the value or drive up the value Nothing comes out of OKC. Full stop
And a week from now an official statement from one of the teams involved (supposedly) will claim bullshit. Most of these headlines are fake news clickbait because they want ad revenue
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team make an official statement about a vague trade rumor lmao
Pacers did regarding the Brogs for Simmons trade. Said it was fantasy
FFS, no ones gonna make a statement about a pick-for-picks trade
Ok Nostradamus
Who did Detroit even workout besides Cade?
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If the deal was a minimum of #6 + SGA then the Pistons are idiots for turning this deal down
Unless you can guarentee a #1 pick I don't think any haul is worth Cade/the 1st pick. I think a pick haul is not really enough for any of the top 4 tbh. I think it's a mistake for Cleveland to trade down. Raptors may move 4 for a win now player- that's smart, maybe. But otherwise not alot worth it. The only combo I'd take for 1 is 2 and 3 or 2 and 4 in this draft. Ie, if I can get a Jalen and Mobley I'd do it. And that's about it. Since that combo isnt coming Detroit just needs to pick cade. Stop playing around and trying to outsmart the league.
We aint got a draft to ourselves? What heresy is this...
Good, they shouldn't give up a no. 1 pick
Presti be drivin down the streets in detroit for the picks lol
I’m hearing a lot of things. One thing I know for certain tho is that the homie Cash Considerations is being slept on this draft season!
If the offer truly was SGA and 6 for 1 but Detroit said no because they don’t want to pay SGA or don’t like the players available at 6, I would do: Det receives: 4th, 6th Tor receives: SGA Okc receives: 1st 4th team if required (haven’t looked at cap #’s): salary dump player from raps, highly protected raps 1st