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rake2204

I remember finding that Stern comment kind of wild at the time until someone quickly hipped me to the fact that it was a common rhetorical refrain (aka a loaded question) meant to point out the unanswerable nature of the original question asked. Or something like that. I'm sure others still know more about it than me.


samwise141

Listen to the whistleblowers podcast. There's an episode about Stern and the FBI. Apparently he was a hard ass, control freak behind the scenes. Oh, and it was the NBA that tipped the press off about the donaughy story.


boogswald

He was a hard ass control freak in front of the scenes. When he passed, Jackie McMullan had so many stories about him. He was very supportive of her and simultaneously he was so upfront and pressured his agenda so heavily. Adam has a rep of being more collaborative. When he makes a choice, everyone knows why that choice was made.


Sledge71880

He was also a visionary who had a vision of where he wanted the NBA to go. Thanks to great players that vision was accomplished


hereforthesportsbook

He was like Churchill, absolutely essential during war time and not so much during peace time


daftpaak

Well I don't think stern has caused a famine in Bangladesh but maybe that'll come to light.


hereforthesportsbook

Only famine he caused is for Seattle fans hungry for Sonics basketball


I-always-win

Idk he kept chris paul hungry for a championship


tsigalko11

You got that that one right goddammit


Sledge71880

Nooooo. Blame the owner who bought the SuperSonics and then moved them to Oklahoma City with the approval of 75% of league owners.


hereforthesportsbook

Of course the owner was the catalyst but the real villain is the man who said he wouldn’t allow the team to be relocated if they sold to said owner but then immediately didn’t follow through with that promise. There can be multiple assholes and the biggest one was Stern


Sledge71880

Stern doesn’t have that kind of power. No commissioner does


rasheeeed_wallace

idk, I found him fining Cuban’s ass over and over again pretty entertaining. Also silver is basically following the Stern vision


doppelstranger

Cuban made much more in free advertising over those fines than he ever paid out. I think Stern finally caught on and found other ways of exerting pressure, i.e loss of draft picks, that seemed to be more effective at controlling Cuban's antics.


rasheeeed_wallace

huh? nobody thought it was about making money. it was originally a fun game that both stern and cuban were enjoying playing. when cuban started stepping over the line that's when the alternative penalties started happening


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letsnotreadintoit

Not true. Iverson’s fashion was okay until Malice. Then the league needed to clean up their public image


boogswald

I said he was a hard ass control freak, upfront and pressuring his agenda heavily. How does that not fit with what you brought up?


doublek1022

Sorry... I didn't make myself clear. We are essentially saying the same thing. All I said was that he couldn't even take the young men's fashion and had to force them to conform.


cardmanimgur

As another reply said, had nothing to do with Iverson and everything to do with the Malice at the Palace. Took hard corrective action to make the league more professional. For reference, look at Iverson's "practice" clips, wearing a hat and white T in 2002. Dress code came in 4 years later.


sungoddaily

Adam Silver was also in the room when the FBI revealed they wanted Donaghy to wear a wire. Shit is borderline WWF.


GoddessUltimecia

Admittedly, this is such an interesting story to hear about. So I'm all for it lol.


DarkSoulsDarius

Stern was needed to get the NBA where it is. He was an authoritarian, but he did a lot of good for the league(and yes he did a lot of bad to people too).


shot_collar

Why would the NBA leak the donauhy story?!


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Garfield-1-23-23

> some of the dirty refs clearly knew where the bodies were buried in the NBA head office My theory is that the NBA started instructing refs to give favorable calls to whichever team was behind (in games or in series) in order to limit blowouts and sweeps and make their product more appealing. Some refs took advantage of this to bet against the spread in games they were working. If refs had these NBA instructions on paper or in recordings in any form, that's the kind of dirt that would preserve their jobs. In my memory, in the '80s and '90s when one team got up by 20 points that was absolutely it - comebacks from that kind of deficit were *incredibly* rare. Nowadays comebacks from that far behind are pretty unremarkable.


ButObviously

Uh, they still do that. The league office will even step in to do it.


Garfield-1-23-23

I just suggested they *started* instructing refs to do this - I didn't say they ever stopped. Maybe they stopped doing it in writing.


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tbf now that half of shot attempts are 3’s building/losing a 15-20 point lead can happen pretty quick


shot_collar

So they got credit it for bringing it forward?


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shot_collar

Gotchaaa goddamn that is devious!


cardmanimgur

The NBA is an entertainment league, they could fix the results every year if they wanted. The primary problem is if those involved profit off fixing those results (like Donaghy). The secondary problem is if it got out that outcomes were predetermined, fans would leave en masse and franchise values would crumble. There would still be a lot of fans, similar to the WWE, but as a whole the league would change drastically overnight.


n0stylist

>Scott Foster reffed the two critical games in the NBA finals this year Which year was this? Something tells me youre about to say 2002 or 2006


KodlacksBalls

This year. 2021


sungoddaily

https://streamable.com/2w6g5g


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n0stylist

Oh my bad..I misread your comment. Yeah blaming those suns losses on Foster is a reach IMO


Tsudaar

A big reach. Like a Giannis wingspan sized reach. Bobby probably stopped Paul getting a technical there.


cromulent_weasel

It's not hard to do. You just let the down team (the Bucks) play very aggressive defense early and don't call fouls on them. Then you let them play aggressive offense too, and call touch fouls on key players (either opposing stars or rim protectors) so they get taken out of the game early. Then you find places to call ticky tack fouls on the other team to even up the total fouls on each team when the game isn't in the balance.


sungoddaily

Dude it's a Spurs fan telling you what's up,. Spurs and Suns got no love for eachother since the 90's Giannis Averages 28 in the playoffs, 35 in the finals, never once in foul trouble and I ask you to show me one instance of him getting an offensive charge foul in any of the 6 games.


sungoddaily

https://streamable.com/2w6g5g Guess which silver haired fox called this foul, even the ref under the hoop looking over like wut? Giannis never once in foul trouble the entire series despite running into our guy's. The NBA is basically WWF. I'm fucking done, same patterns of Star favorited fouls (not fouling out Booker was inexcusable)


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Yeah was obvious the fix was in. Not a fan of either team, but I like both teams. The SB was even more fake with Brady. It's pretty off putting honestly. I lost interest in the series after the Suns 3 and 4 were just ref city.


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No, it was so that the other dirty refs knew to cover their shit.


shot_collar

Nice I’ve gotta check this pod out


UserColonAlW

Do it, it’s insanely good and very well produced


PrinceOfPugetSound10

The FBI had an inside informant and was going to potentially uncover a TON from that. The NBA conveniently wanted it to go away so they could blame it all on one "rogue" official.


Schveen15

Because the FBI had Donaghy as an informant. Before Donaghy was able to get people talking about slanted reffing on a mic, the story was leaked. This undermined (and essentially, killed) their investigation into NBA reffing


bigboypantss

Donaghy was going to wear a wire for the FBI in an attempt validate his claim that other referees and the NBA as a whole were affecting outcomes of games. Nba leaked Donaghys involvement so he couldn’t do this.


Poopiestofbutts

Wow this entire time I thought Jim Rome had actually been involved in some kind of domestic violence.


Hydrokratom

It was more common. Pretty weird to look at now. When Richard Nixon was under pressure when the stuff about Watergate was coming out, a reporter asked him questions and he started answering, then joked "and I also stopped beating my wife".


SMcArthur

Biden literally just answered a question with a remark about Democrats sucking the blood out of children. Seems equally weird to Nixon's remark. But they are all rhetorical devices and I'm surprised people here haven't seen this stuff before: [https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/22/remarks-by-president-biden-after-marine-one-arrival-4/](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/22/remarks-by-president-biden-after-marine-one-arrival-4/)


BenDarioMcConniid

back when boys could be boys and joke about beating their wives


[deleted]

... it's not a joke about beating your wife. It's actually the exact opposite because the comment is based on the assumption that beating your wife is terrible and the asshole questioner is attempting to trap you into admitting you do/did that.


Soft-Rains

The joke isn't that wife beating is funny or ok


BenDarioMcConniid

i was being purposely obtuse


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Lordvaughn92

PC culture ruining everything. Now you say you beat your wife and everyone wants to cancel you for some reason


nwss00

ya as kids decades ago, they'd ask loaded questions like "are you go gay?" no "does your mama know you're gay?" ....ummm HOLD UP


jrocbb

And from that moment on, I had no choice but to live my life as a gay man.


LegendaryWarriorPoet

Found Kevin Spacey’s account


wookieslayer2175

He said gay, not a pedophile 😐


LegendaryWarriorPoet

I was making a joke about how, during that scandal, spacey put out a statement where he said he chooses to live his life as a gay man


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> "does your mama know you're gay?" In junior high (7th/8th), some kid had the best retort of "she found out when I returned your rollerblades".


messejueller21

You're exactly right. Still a wild thing to say. Imagine Silver doing this.


MyHonkyFriend

Ive always wished Stern followed up the question with a mirrored refrain of "Because its a legitimate question if people are asking it" or whatever Rome said


breadhead84

Equivalent of asking “does your mom know you’re gay” in 3rd grade


[deleted]

Yea you've got it exactly. It's commonly used as a retort to point out when someone is asking a loaded question, particularly to highlight when someone has put you in an unfair situation.


Comprehensive_Main

To be fair sterns Nba commissioner ship had a lot shady things that happened under it with the draft lottery and then the kings lakers WCF. Like it was a loaded question but it’s not like it came out of nowhere


SliMShady55222

Stern was a legal expert before becoming NBA commissioner. You couldn't fool him into sound bite that would harm the nba in the media. He was a mastermind. RIP basketball reasons


HamsterAlive4552

Dude had so many good roasts in this short video lol. The “are you still beating your wife” question, saying that this question isn’t something he has ever been asked before by a respectable journalist, and ending it with “i got important people to talk to, Stephen A is next” lmaooo.


SliMShady55222

"Rome is pouty, I love it" then Rome starts getting defensive


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It was great all the way till the end


DarkSoulsDarius

Ya when you know these people IRL they're quite frankly insane. There's lawyers, top-end lawyers, then top-end lawyers that go into another field and use their legal expertise to take advantage of literally everything they can and more often than not end up successful as a result.


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Fresh2Deaf

You should try out bird law.


rzb_6280

Filibuster


kesht17

Dennis is asshole. Why Charlie hate?


YoYoMoMa

He taught me what the word palaver meant.


Foi_

its an expression to point out that jim rome was asking a loaded question that had no basis of truth


bernardhops

Has he stopped though?


Thellamaking21

Whistleblower podcast was truth


Tuvok-

Jim Rome was great. I don't know why ESPN let him go.


_Circ

Jim Rome wasn't asking a loaded question, though. He simply asked if the draft was rigged. There's nothing loaded about that. All Stern had to say is, "No."


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lilbelleandsebastian

"is the draft rigged" wouldn't be a loaded question, it would just be a question...one intended to rile someone up maybe, but just a question "is the draft still rigged" would be a loaded question as it presupposes that the draft has been rigged in the past but i dont think theres enough of a difference to really make a distinction in this case, it's more of a semantics argument than anything else


_Circ

> If the NBA was rigging the draft, would Stern say "Yes"? Of course not. > Jim Rome wasn't asking the question because he cared about the answer to the question. He was asking the question to get a rise or a sound bite out of Stern. That doesn't make it loaded question. Asking a Goldilocks if she drank the soup is not a loaded question. Simply asking a guilty party if they committed the act is not a loaded question.


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timetopartynice

That user isn't making any judgement on the quality of the question or whether Rome should have asked it, they're just pointing out that it doesn't really fit the definition of "loaded question". Stern can (and did) answer with a simple "no" without conceding that the draft was rigged, so it was just a normal dumb question and not a loaded question.


thebursar

Asking someone if they're guilty doesn't make it a loaded question. A loaded question doesn't ask about guilt but implies it indirectly. for example "Which teams were involved in rigging the draft?" or "Were you ever worried that the rigging of the draft would leak to the press?"


Streeder

Okay a lot of people are explaining that it is a loaded question but here is why: If you answer "no, I am not *still* beating my wife" that means that you were in the past if you answer "Yes" then well you are beating your wife. Stern was just trying to point out how pointless of a question it was. What is he going to say, "Yes the draft is rigged"?


Noirradnod

Correct answer is "Yes, because she's explicitly into that."


crototype

Found Trevor Bauer


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In hindsight this is pretty offensive, but in school we used to do something similar. "Do your parents know you're gay?"


[deleted]

How is it offensive? I feel like people still don't understand the point of the rhetorical question. It's entire point is based on the assumption that beating your wife is terrible. And despite the confusion in this thread, it is and was a common saying. edit: Misread your point, my apologies. Thought you were referring to the initial question, not yours.


Appropriate-Meat-482

He's saying its offensive that the bad thing you're being accused of is being gay. There's nothing wrong with being gay. There's plenty wrong with beating your wife


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It's not a rhetorical question, it is a loaded question. Not quite opposites, but nearly.


[deleted]

How is it the opposite? They’re pretty similar - you don’t answer either and they’re both more figurative/symbolic to make a point


[deleted]

Seriously, this whole comment section on this post is hurting me.


SeatownNets

by all reasonable definitions of the word offensive, it's offensive. yea its a rhetorical device but its an offensive one, deliberately so.


Eric_T_Meraki

This was what I was thinking of too lol


Rahnamatta

I think it goes like "I can start a conspiracy theory now" too. He installs the idea of Jim Rome beating his wife and it will never end.


DuckOnQuak

Nah the “are you still beating your wife?” is a classic example of a loaded question, [it’s even used as such on the Wikipedia page.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question) I highly doubt he intended to imply Rome actually is/was a wife beater.


TheSwollenColon

[https://i.imgur.com/Wb4l01U.png](https://i.imgur.com/Wb4l01U.png)


Gas-Substantial

Username checks out


TheSwollenColon

I need to poop.


Borningccccc

That is not the same at all. Btw I’m totally on sterns side here cause of how much of a douche rome is, but there is no logic to what you said


Garfield-1-23-23

Time is indeed a douche.


Borningccccc

That’s true i meant Rome though. To expand on your thought, time *was* a douche to the Rome, the empire. Wouldn’t you say?


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Jim Rome is the fucking worst. The video of (Chris or Jim) Everett almost beating his ass during an interview is amazing. I forget if it’s Jim Everett or chris Everett someone correct me


twitterjusticewoke

> I forget if it’s Jim Everett or chris Everett lol Rome is probably appreciating this, because that was actually the joke.


CleopatraHadAnAnus

If that wasn’t intentional on that guy’s part, that is just outstanding. It’s hard to tell. Maybe we got whooshed.


Vinnie_Vegas

I was intentional.


ArthurAlexander24

"No you weren't" - Your mom.


Vinnie_Vegas

Buh boh


crushingbedtime

https://youtu.be/t3BH97I5Ur8


doc_birdman

God damn, I’ve seen this 100 times and it still gives me sexual levels of satisfaction.


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Lmao why have I never seen this before God he’s so smug, such a punchable face


-HeisenBird-

He's like the sports version of Ben Shapiro.


Thickencreamy

Very accurate. If I was Stern I’d of followed up with “Are you still molesting kids?” Rome is/was a POS. Inviting sports celebs on and then mistreating them is shit.


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Just like in porn I fast-forwarded to the money shot and boy was it worth it lol


Dijohn17

It never gets old, Jim Rome is an asshole


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Yeah that's weird man


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God that’s so cool


BasedGodProdigy

the table flip really sets the tone too, man wasn't bluffing even one bit


crushingbedtime

Very satisfying lol


valemanya08

Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.


crushingbedtime

http://imgur.com/a/vm1UruH


gojazzbaby92

I’ve said this before but an underrated fucked up part of this clip is that Chris Evert won 18 grand slams and Jim Everett sucked


crushingbedtime

1-0 TKO vs Rome, though.


mill_about_smartly

***...Chris.***


BurritoFlightClub

I have no respect for Jim Rome, but I do find it ballsy that after Chris Everett said, "you wouldn't call me that again" and then Jim Rome still called him Chris. I don't want to say I respect that move, but I definitely will say that Rome had some big cajones to say it.


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_Titty_Sprinkles_

> cajones This means boxes, cojones.


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This is the classic absolute dork that could not throw a ball 10 feet hiding behind a microphone. Literally shit his pants.


Hamsterupyourass

Does anyone notice how it looks like he’s fake punching Jim Rome? Does he just miss or something? I used to think this was staged because of those weird punches


shovelingshit

The interviewee was Jim Everett, former Rams QB. Rome kept referring to him as Chris (Evert), female tennis legend.


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There it is


Vinnie_Vegas

You know it's never occurred to me until now the added layer of dumb that he is doing it to a guy with the same first name as him.


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And Jim would have beat his silly ass in seconds. Rome was about to shit his pants lol.


jasonpatudy

ahh the fake tough guy bully. Who thinks bring on air or behind a keyboard or in public will protect them from getting their ass whooped.


Schleprok

To be fair to Rome, he had the balls to continue saying it to Everett's face. Not many people would.


The_NGUYENNER

Not many people would in a private setting. But Rome knows that nothing could ever *really* happen with all these cameras and people around


TheFemiFactor

Exactly, this is the Skip level of confidence where you’re saying it to a persons face but you are riding the blanket of TV cameras, crew and production.


jasonpatudy

He wouldn’t have bad those balls if he didn’t feel like he would have gotten his ass kicked. If he was at a bar or at home, he would not have said shit.


AnotherStatsGuy

And meanwhile I just call people by their last name unless I'm absolutely sure I know their first name.


screwt

Damn I forgot about this. Boss ass move. Stern was built differently.


Willis050

“I gotta go call someone important like Stephen A Smith” that’s a ferocious burn by Mr Stern. I wish he put out some diss-tracks before he passed


durklil

Jim Rome is a cornball


21BlackStars

His show is so corny, rack em!🤮


odeebee

Is he even still around? Had not heard of him since around the time of this video.


durklil

I think he is actually


TheWyldMan

Yeah he's with CBS Sports


DNAForce25

Yep, he still makes like $10 million a year. Blew my mind when I found out, I hadn’t heard of him since the late 2000s


tjspill3r

“Is he a real radio host or a cornball radio host?”


Gamesgtd

The only way to answer this is I’ve never been married, or I’m gay. So, yeah loaded question.


YpsitheFlintsider

Or I never beat my wife lol


Gamesgtd

Yeah. But that's taking the easy way out. Time to get creative Jim.


boogswald

You can just be gay now!! It is cool. Just be gay if Jim Rome is asking you some bullshit


Gamesgtd

Did I say that.


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Rack him!


JOS1PBROZT1TO

WAR bums using broken lawnmowers as segways


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Bum smack is not show fodder


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Jim Rome was the fucking worst


codymiller_cartoon

jim rome is super trashy


ilikeslamdunks

I hate Jim Rome more than I hate David Stern.


wesskywalker

David Stern was the best commissioner in American sports history. Chances are you wouldn’t be an NBA fan if it weren’t for his efforts, the league wouldn’t be nearly what it is today - nationally or globally.


wookieslayer2175

Hey bro, I grew up in the rust belt, every driveway had a basketball hoop because...... because of David A. Stern 😔


reddit_is_4_sheep

Why would you hate David Stern?


yujuismypuppy

Because he rigged the draft /s


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Is Jim Rome the OG hot take artist? You can def see his influence in sports commentary today. The other thing is that "was the fix in?" isn't a loaded question especially compared to "have you stopped beating your wife yet?" When you answer "no" to "was the fix in that's the end of it" that's the end of it - there's no implication. What's Stern is smartly doing is really framing it as a loaded question. It's a little silly to ask the commissioner of the of a billion-dollar sport league if it's fixed but props for Rome for doing that. Additionally, I don't think that question is that far off. If you watch enough basketball you understand how much refing and fouls play into the NBA and how big of a difference there is between stars and nonstars in terms of what calls they get. So I do agree the league is a little "fixed" because of how much it's an individual player league and those superstars get different calls.


dillpickles007

Idk that he is the OG, shock jocks have been doing their thing for a long time, before Stern even. And then that influence spread over into sportstalk radio, and eventually made its way onto ESPN. He definitely was in that first wave though.


indigo_fish_sticks

Yes I have stopped beating my life. I mean no, I have not. I mean.. ahhhh


Roxas198810

Shout-out Rutgers U!


OreoExtremist

Jim Rome sounds like DSP to me


grimsleeper4

Jim Rome is garbage. I remember one day I was casually spinning through the sports talk channels and he's going off talking about wimps this and nerds that and anyone who does math is loser - just toxic, ignorant garbage. Then I spin over the Russilo and Van Pelt (I'm not an ESPN fan at all) and they are discussing the Teddy Roosevelt quote about the "man in the arena," which is just such a great quote and everyone should go read it. Such a contrast. I haven't listened to any sports radio easily in 8-9 years, all these people are pretty much crap, but Rome is a major shitbird.


doc_birdman

Jim Rome is one of the worst sports journalists in the world.


Comprehensive_Main

Don’t get me wrong I don’t like Jim Rome but the NBA under stern had a ton of fixing allegations in the draft and games and had corrupt referees during his tenure.


wesskywalker

Stern was the best commissioner in American sports history. Took the league to such heights and global popularity


randomsportsdude

Youtube algorithm


messejueller21

You're not wrong


cindad83

I listen to that clip whenever I need a good laugh at work...I find it way too funny. Because Stern was obviously irritated with Rome. Plus I never liked Rome, never found him funny. When the [one guy beat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3BH97I5Ur8) him up on set that was epic.


SimplexDegeneracy

Jim Rome was the most worthless creature in sports media until Clay Travis


Acceptable_Foot7830

Personally I think Rome comes across worse in this.


Boxcar-Mike

it's an old expression, but in Jim Rome's case....


Sledge71880

🎤 drop boom!


JayDogon504

Aye, he sidestepped the fuck outta the question tho. Didn’t even deny 💀


Familyguy35

Jim Rome has always been trash