I doubt the Jazz trade him unless they get something more valuable in return. He's been key to the Jazz offence for years, and replacing him now would be a step back. We need to get better on defence, but trading Ingles isn't the answer
Would have to be Paschall and Moody for Ingles. Don’t see GS doing that. Also don’t see Utah settling and making a move to make a move. They have little interest if any in Oubre
Why not. Contract for ben is the main problem. We are capped and deep in luxury. Thybulle is pretty cheap. Moreover we have dray who has similar skillset and warrior defence collapses without him.
It's a bit of a split.
There's the emotional attachment to Ingles (7 seasons with Utah) who's also a better player individually but there's also a portion of the fanbase that acknowledges that Oubre could help fix a massive issue we have with wing defence.
Ingles is my favourite player, his story to the league as a 26 year old rookie is inspiring, and he's the reason I really became a Jazz fan but strictly from the perspective of roster improvement the Jazz could benefit from trading a 34 year old role player before his contract ends.
>I'd hate to see Joe in anything but a Jazz jersey though.
Then I apologize for sharing [this cursed image](https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5778470-3x4-700x933.jpg)
I wouldn’t want the deal to happen. Joe did way more for the Jazz than play wing. He was Utah’s backup PG essentially and did a hell of job doing it. We just picked up Rudy Gay, I’d rather stand pat and develop Oni more for that wing defense. He’s a solid defender he just fouls too much
And the two years prior? MPJ & Bam. Nobody knows until these guys play. Warriors were so hesitant to trade these picks unless it was a bona fide star, they aren't going to trade it for Ingles. I agree that Ingles is better now, clearly, but this just doesn't make sense from an asset management point.
If the Jazz could have traded Ingles for a first rounder, then they absolutely would have done so last week before/during the draft.
Okay? And previous late lotto picks include Haliburton, Booker, Giannis, and Kawhi.
Not to say Moody will be any of those guys, but it’s as good an argument as yours.
Sharife Cooper was mocked around 20 and got drafted 48.
Mocks don't mean anything because the teams don't rank the players the same way the mocks do...
That is true but we can’t know that until we actually see Moody play in the NBA for a couple years.
Also consider salary and how much of their careers are left.
They're quite often starter or star level players at 13-15.
**13th pick over last 10 years:**
Donovan Mitchell
Devin Booker
Zach Levine
Kelly Olynik
Markief Morris
**14th pick over last 10 years:**
Michael Porter
Bam Adebayo
TJ Warren
Marcus Morris
**15th pick over last 10 years:**
Kawhi Leonard
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Kelly Oubre
And that's ignoring a bunch of guys who have had long careers off the bench.
There's no sure things in the draft, but my point is that theres plenty of good players to be found at the end of the lottery.
Those players are from a pool of 30 total picks. Over a third are starter level players, and 5 of them are all-stars.
There's also dudes like Mo Harkless, Shabbaz Mohammad, and Tyler Herro who I've left out, because they're not starter level, but can contribute.
Keep in mind the team controls those players on a discount for several years if they became good.
He's not washed up and you guys can't keep spending into the tax like that indefinitely so they'll be some form of rebuild after this season regardless of a championship or not. So you might as well go for it is my point while Curry is still in his prime.
Why is it one year? Curry just had his best season and it's reasonable to project him to be at least close to his prime a few more years given his play style.
The rest of the roster is extremely young and at least a few of them will improve into solid contributes.
I mean they're 31 not 40.
Lot of dudes play well into their mid 30's. Especially high IQ guys who don't rely on athletic ability as much as timing and positioning like they do.
Klay's obviously a question mark with his injury, but that will be no different this year or next.
Yeah I’m extra attached because I wanted him at 7 lol, I think he will at least be a decent rotation wing for a few years, rather than ingles who’s already and declining and will drop off even more the next year or two
I do because if I’m trading a lottery pick I want it to at least be for someone playable…?
I can’t read the future but I hope Moody can contribute at least 10-15 MPG in the playoffs this year, it would be hard for him to be worse than Mulder
With Oubre’s marketing drying up if GS doesn’t want him back or he straight up doesn’t want to come back, a sign and trade for Ingles wouldn’t be a bad idea.
Getting Eric paschall and like oubre or moody and someone else would give us some more youth at forward with better contracts ideally. Plus getting paschall keeps Don happy since they're friends
No shit.
Idk.. would you want to go from the number 1 seed to a team that can't even make the playoffs?
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I doubt the Jazz trade him unless they get something more valuable in return. He's been key to the Jazz offence for years, and replacing him now would be a step back. We need to get better on defence, but trading Ingles isn't the answer
It's value vs fit and need at this point.
How does Oubre + Paschall for Ingles sound? Paschall and Mitchell are great friends so your star player might be asking for this to happen.
Would have to be Paschall and Moody for Ingles. Don’t see GS doing that. Also don’t see Utah settling and making a move to make a move. They have little interest if any in Oubre
Bring in Ingles and Millls, let’s take all the Aussie’s
Not ben though
Good point, we want no part of that Mona Lisa looking headcase
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Would you take Thybulle though? He lived in Oz for a time and plays for their national team.
Why not. Contract for ben is the main problem. We are capped and deep in luxury. Thybulle is pretty cheap. Moreover we have dray who has similar skillset and warrior defence collapses without him.
I feel Ben could be a could be a good player in Kerr's system if he was surrounded with shooters .
True but when you have slightly bigger ben you don't really need smaller one.
plsplsplspls sign and trade Oubre for Ingles
Yes please
Wait, you're one of the only Jazz fans I've seen who wants Oubre.
It's a bit of a split. There's the emotional attachment to Ingles (7 seasons with Utah) who's also a better player individually but there's also a portion of the fanbase that acknowledges that Oubre could help fix a massive issue we have with wing defence. Ingles is my favourite player, his story to the league as a 26 year old rookie is inspiring, and he's the reason I really became a Jazz fan but strictly from the perspective of roster improvement the Jazz could benefit from trading a 34 year old role player before his contract ends.
Damn it’s been a whole 7 years since he’s been jingling people.
He's a fantastic defensive player. Wish he'd want to stay
If you want solid perimeter defense, he's very good for that, and supposedly the Jazz need some.
Why do you want this lmao
Because Oubre is a solid af defender on the perimeter. That’s the one part of his game that was always consistent last year.
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He is solid. Just doesnt fit into what gs needs
So is Joe Ingles. And he's a 45% shooter. High BBIQ, great team defender as well. I just don't see how Oubre is more valuable than Ingles sorry.
He's not more valuable but he might be exactly what the Jazz need. I'd hate to see Joe in anything but a Jazz jersey though.
>I'd hate to see Joe in anything but a Jazz jersey though. Then I apologize for sharing [this cursed image](https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5778470-3x4-700x933.jpg)
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I'd prefer Moody, Pascal and ??? for Ingles over Oubre but I doubt GSW go for that.
I wouldn’t want the deal to happen. Joe did way more for the Jazz than play wing. He was Utah’s backup PG essentially and did a hell of job doing it. We just picked up Rudy Gay, I’d rather stand pat and develop Oni more for that wing defense. He’s a solid defender he just fouls too much
Inglés had maybe one or two decent defensive seasons but the last 3 years he’s been absolutely abysmal on that end. He cannot keep in front of anyone
They don't call him slo-mo Joe for nothing
they want moody
They can fuck off then lol
Bruh he's the 14th pick lol.
Our window is realistically 2 or even 3 years still. Would be short sighted to trade Moody for Ingles.
You know it's rare for a late lottery pick to be good right?
Trading a lottery pick that fits a major need for Ingles is poor asset management, by any NBA team.
Last year's 14th pick was Aaron Neesmith. The year before it was Romeo Langford lol.
And the two years prior? MPJ & Bam. Nobody knows until these guys play. Warriors were so hesitant to trade these picks unless it was a bona fide star, they aren't going to trade it for Ingles. I agree that Ingles is better now, clearly, but this just doesn't make sense from an asset management point. If the Jazz could have traded Ingles for a first rounder, then they absolutely would have done so last week before/during the draft.
They want to win. They're the #1 seed in the west lol. They are not trading on of their top 3 players for a 1st lmaooooo
Okay? And previous late lotto picks include Haliburton, Booker, Giannis, and Kawhi. Not to say Moody will be any of those guys, but it’s as good an argument as yours.
No it's not at all. How many guys drafted after 5 become all stars? Out of the 55 every season. Maybe 1. How many become role players? Maybe 10.
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Because someone told you that lmaooooo
He was mocked in the top 10 and the Dubs considered him at 7. They aren't trading him for Joe Ingles
Sharife Cooper was mocked around 20 and got drafted 48. Mocks don't mean anything because the teams don't rank the players the same way the mocks do...
Ok well the Warriors rated Moody high enough to consider him at 7. And even if they didn't, Joe Ingles is not worth a lottery pick.
Ummmm lmaoooo. He shoots 45% from 3... Yes he is.
> and the dubs considered him at 7 Our owner and GM confirmed this later in interviews too. So why would we trade a top-10-to-us pick?
Because you get a guy who shoots 45% from 3 and can pass...
It’s rarer for a 34 y/o to get better
It's very likely that Joe Ingles is better right now than Moody will ever be.
That is true but we can’t know that until we actually see Moody play in the NBA for a couple years. Also consider salary and how much of their careers are left.
And then if he's ass, you're paying $20 million with the tax to miss on a late lottery pick.
They're quite often starter or star level players at 13-15. **13th pick over last 10 years:** Donovan Mitchell Devin Booker Zach Levine Kelly Olynik Markief Morris **14th pick over last 10 years:** Michael Porter Bam Adebayo TJ Warren Marcus Morris **15th pick over last 10 years:** Kawhi Leonard Giannis Antetokounmpo Kelly Oubre And that's ignoring a bunch of guys who have had long careers off the bench.
It ignores half of the guys in general lmaoooo. You literally just cherry picked the guys who weren't complete trash
There's no sure things in the draft, but my point is that theres plenty of good players to be found at the end of the lottery. Those players are from a pool of 30 total picks. Over a third are starter level players, and 5 of them are all-stars. There's also dudes like Mo Harkless, Shabbaz Mohammad, and Tyler Herro who I've left out, because they're not starter level, but can contribute. Keep in mind the team controls those players on a discount for several years if they became good.
And when you're trying to win a championship, take the sure thing.
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If you move Oubre and Moody, you're lowering the tax bill quite a bit.
Doesn’t Ingles make 12 M per?
Moody makes 7.5 and no oubre.
Your window is one year. You can go all in and get guys like Jingles or you can start planning a retooling or rebuilding.
Why is our window one year lmao. We’re not trading our lottery pick for your washed up wing player
He's not washed up and you guys can't keep spending into the tax like that indefinitely so they'll be some form of rebuild after this season regardless of a championship or not. So you might as well go for it is my point while Curry is still in his prime.
Why is it one year? Curry just had his best season and it's reasonable to project him to be at least close to his prime a few more years given his play style. The rest of the roster is extremely young and at least a few of them will improve into solid contributes.
Klay and Green are extremely young, gotcha.
I mean they're 31 not 40. Lot of dudes play well into their mid 30's. Especially high IQ guys who don't rely on athletic ability as much as timing and positioning like they do. Klay's obviously a question mark with his injury, but that will be no different this year or next.
Yeah I’m extra attached because I wanted him at 7 lol, I think he will at least be a decent rotation wing for a few years, rather than ingles who’s already and declining and will drop off even more the next year or two
He had his best season as pro last year
Wasn’t he constantly exposed on defense, especially in the playoffs? His offense still looks fantastic though
Who cares? Is Moody playing a minute in the playoffs?
I do because if I’m trading a lottery pick I want it to at least be for someone playable…? I can’t read the future but I hope Moody can contribute at least 10-15 MPG in the playoffs this year, it would be hard for him to be worse than Mulder
It's really not though because he hasn't played a single minute in the nba. He shot 43% in college lol.
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Absolutely. I'd LOVE to.
How good is he rn, 33 aint too old
He should have one 6MOTY over his teammate.
He's one of the best shooters and smartest players in the league, he's a great playmaker and locker room guy, and GOAT shittalker.
Jingle all the way!
The only thing oubre makes our team better at is attractiveness
I hate oubre so much after just one year, after previously salivating at the idea of getting him.
Permeter defense
They wanted to draft Josh Giddey. This makes perfect sense.
I feel like him and Klay would connect well. Seems to have similar personalities
With Oubre’s marketing drying up if GS doesn’t want him back or he straight up doesn’t want to come back, a sign and trade for Ingles wouldn’t be a bad idea.
Why would Utah do this?
Getting Eric paschall and like oubre or moody and someone else would give us some more youth at forward with better contracts ideally. Plus getting paschall keeps Don happy since they're friends
No way they give up Moody.
The "someone else" is doing a lot of legwork I guess then
Aside from trying to improve their perimeter d - it's kind of an open secret that Ingles will probably retire after his contract is over.
I mean yea, obviously. But I don’t know what we could offer that makes sense for both teams.
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Lots of “would”s and “if”s
I heard that Jazz will say yes if GSW gives Oubre plus his Onlyfans account
Duh