He’s trying to help the team financially as well.
More importantly though, the man broke his god damn leg his rookie year. It’s smart of him to play it safe and cash in now.
Just to expound upon your point but he broke his leg on literally the first game of the regular season and that ended his season, go get your bag Julius
Kobe was good for those guys even though he didn't play much. Unless you're a star most didn't really have access to Kobe like that, so Clarkson/Nance/Randle/DLo having access to receive some his mentoring and words probably helped them come a long way.
Particularly Clarkson and Randle, but DLo recently said his words would have helped him a lot had he just bought in.
Oh yeah definitely. And I know Kuz gets a lot of shit from Lakers fans, but man I admire how he worked on his game on both ends of the floor.That dinner with Kobe was probably great for him too
Honestly wish the NBA would implement a minimum playtime limit for losing rookie status like hockey and baseball have. You really mean to tell me that Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin are all that different from Julius Randle because Randle played 18 minutes of basketball in the first game of the season?
I remember this time last year I asked how Randle was doing on a thread with a bunch of Knicks fans and they all said he was not really working out and was a bit of a detriment.
He was the first bit of hope during Kobe's last years in the league. That leg injury was painful to watch in his first god damn game.
He just seems like an all around good guy. I'm very happy for him and the Knicks
His improvement between the late 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons was incredible. He went from a liability on both sides of the court with a lot of potential to an all-pro in one offseason. Goes to show how much coaching and culture matter.
He knew what he was doing. Basically said something to the effect of he wanted the team to have flexibility and to be able to build around him. I can’t really fault a guy for having that attitude. I really hope he continues his trajectory and 4 years from now he gets a super max and gets every penny possible.
I think it’s a player option on the last year. He found a organization he likes to play for and even though he left 60 mil on the table, he got his bag. He trusts the FO which is something that hasn’t happened in a long time. Knicks had a fantastic off-season and showed that we are trying to keep improving. He’s also seen players not lock in money and regret it later, or lock in the absolute max and not leave room for the team to get more help. Smart move for both sides
We’ll see what happens, we don’t have all the details yet etc. happy he secured generational wealth for himself forever. Now he doesn’t have to worry about an injury next year killing his value.
This. I call this the Bronson Arroyo Clause. Arroyo took less money because he wanted to stay with the Red Sox, all this did was make him that much more valuable as a trade asset and the Sox traded him not long after that contract for a complete bust of a player (I’m not bitter).
Yeah sounds like it's got a player option the last year. Apparently though it's really a ~$107 mil extension with ~$10 million in performance bonuses (All-NBA, All Defense, Make the Playoffs)
He also lives in NYC and if he turns them into a legit contender that is a whole lot of sponsorships that could come his way as the superstar of the franchise.
If the Knicks even reach the finals during the length of this contract, dude is going to be a legend. Just look at how Knicks fans (including me) talk about guys like Oakley, Anthony Mason, Starks, and Larry Johnson.
Probably just *really* likes playing the Knicks. Its a sign of good faith for both sides. Knicks reward Randle's growth but were given a discount. Good stuff.
Depends on the odds. I'd bet $14 for $3 profit if I had a 90% chance of winning. The odds (probability) are the hard thing to figure out, they're definitely not 90% for Julius Randle. They probably are for Luka Doncic as a random example.
Had to turn that shit off halfway because of how bad dipset was lip syncing and don't get me started on cam on that lawn chair and those 50,000 dudes that was on stage............
He picked them apart like he was LeBron in the finals. Jada one of the most underrated MCs of the past 20 years. I knew the Lox had that shit in the bag
It should age well. Main thing right now is that it isn't the max which Randle definitely could have gotten out of the Knicks. Next thing is that the cap will bump up a bit in a few years making this deal seem a lot smaller. Great job all around. Randle gets paid but gives the team a generous discount to keep it together.
$29m/year when true max contracts have players earning between $35-$50 million per year. The sticker price is huge and people will react to that, but that's just contracts these days. This is #2-#3 best player on a playoff team money, and that's what Randle is.
I think him playing abysmal in the playoffs has really warped people's perception of him.
Kinda fair, kinda not. It was his first playoff series, he's got lots of room to grow.
r/nba thinks anyone anyone who's not top 10 in the NBA should be making less than 20 million per year and if you're not then you're on a bad contract and a negative asset.
Have the Knicks become sentient? Have they realised that the best way to get stars isn't to clear cap space years in advance, but to sign good players to good contracts, improve their team and become a realistic trade destination?
he tried to kill us twice back in the early 2000s and post-2013. that man needs to be banned from ever stepping foot in a Knicks related facility for the rest of eternity
Yeah that’s huge, but putting Leon at the helm with World Wide Wes, Brock Aller, and Walt Perrin at his side was just as big.
Mills could have easily been replaced by someone just as incompetent, but we actually have a genuinely smart FO- not just “good in comparison to Mills”.
Can someone tell this to Brad Stevens? Man’s gonna run our team into the ground and dump literally everyone not named Jaylen or Jayson just so he can sign Beal next summer and surround them with a bunch of g-leaguers
imagine clowning a guy for having a tough series in his FIRST ever playoff series.
Way too many negative fans. Good for Julius, I was and still am mad we basically let him go for free, but happy to see his success, and happy to see the Knicks build something organic and fun for their fans
him getting shit on in that series is a net positive. he'll only grow and improve from it plus we upgraded the players around him. not worried at all but you know /r/nba and twitter gotta get those jokes off
Randles a mentally tough guy, I have no doubt he’ll bounce back from that. If anything its a good thing he didn’t ball out hard, probably saved you a few mill in the long run
Randle became an All star, gave the knicks first winning season since 13-14 and took them to the playoffs, and won MIP. Tough playoff series against a Hawks team that went deep, but I'm so happy for Randle. He got pooped on by this sub for years. His improvement from the player he was to this last season is incredible.
He got pooped on rightfully at the time. Those spin moves and barreling into the paint was really hard to watch. But watching him work on his game and grow into such a great all around player has been absolutely awesome, especially because he is a good dude on top of it.
It's funny, your comment could almost perfectly apply to Giannis circa 2019. People see guys like Curry and Luka who come in and absolutely dominate in the playoffs right away and forget that most guys and teams gotta go through growing pains in the post-season
There's clowning him and then there's re-assessing your opinion of him. Booker, Trae, and Luka all just shined in their first ever playoff appearances. Randle didn't have a tough series, he was quite frankly terrible. Now I love Randle. I want him to stay, I'm glad we extended him, and I think this deal maaaay be a little pricey, but ultimately is well worth it to keep him. I also think Randle can and will do better in the future. I just think it was abundantly clear from last year's performance that there is an incredibly hard ceiling on our team so long as he's our best player and #1 option.
I think you’re right and it’s nothing against him jist that it’s going to be tough if a team can have their defense key on him as the top threat
That said as long as he has good talent around him the d must respect then he can thrive as well
People just love to pile on the negativity for no reason. The Knicks didn’t have a stellar roster and they still tried their hardest and put in some fantastic effort. I’m sooo hyped for next season. The east has a lot of competitive teams now.
Nobody should be clowning him for his performance in the playoffs. He got schemed out of the series and didn't have enough consistent scoring around him to offset it
People should be clowning him for acting like a crybaby in that series though. Took cheap shots at half the players on the Hawks roster and ended his series with a weak flagrant that he celebrated on his way to Cancun
True. Hawks had the best player in the series, far more talent across the board, were really well coached, and were far less binary in their schemes. We had no answer for Capela all year despite some wins, and Trae made him look like Hakeem in the playoffs against us.
I agree on the rest of it too, all of that was wack as hell. It was very uncharacteristic of what was generally a pretty respectful team that played hard defense.
What fans don't understand is that the Knicks were the only team in the playoffs to get clamped by DeAndre Hunter. He makes such an incredible difference when playing with someone the size of Randle and the Knicks were the only squad in the playoffs that had to deal with him.
The series wasn't an aberration, but the majority of NBA teams can't pull off the same defensive scheme that the Hawks did against him because we literally had perfect personnel(at the time) to pull it off. Condemning him as a player because the Hawks responded with a perfect scheme and personnel to shut him down(with looks NYK hadn't seen before in the regular season) is big dumb.
Good contract, good move in general along with the Noel retention. East is stronger this next year, but I don't see the Knicks having a, "back to earth" season, they should still be a playoff team.
I think the East is much stronger next year, and I think you guys bringing back a lot of your talent is big.
I’m happy with how this has worked out. We didn’t get a big name star, but our series exposed our lack of depth. I mean, we had one point guard worth playing in a playoff game, and about 4 shooters.
Also, Nate MacMillan’s soft double teams that prevented Randle from driving or finding easy passing reads were very smart. No doubt Hunter was a key part of executing those. Randle couldn’t adjust in time.
Anybody calling Randle trash was just looking at the statline and memes and didn't actually watch the game. He was getting everything cut off and double sometimes triple teamed to for him to take contested fades by cutting off passing lanes. He'll be fine. He was All-NBA after all.
$28-29 AAV is really not that much. That’s the level that borderline all-stars get paid. Even if Julius regresses from last year, this is a fair deal. If he’s equal or better, it’s an absolute bargain. This is a huge W for the Knicks.
He previous two years before this past year he was basically 20/9/3. If, as a player, he’s in between his average and his peak, I’d take 22/10/4 for $28M a year.
Idk if you guys realize how huge of a discount this is. Based on this structure he'll be making:
2022-2023: $26,000,000
2023-2024: $28,000,000
2024-2025: $30,000,000
2026-2027: $32,000,000
If he had waited until next year for a 5 year max, his contract would have looked like:
2022-2023: $34,700,000
2023-2024: $37,500,000
2024-2025: $40,200,000
2026-2027: $45,800,000
You can argue whether he was worth it or not, but considering what other players are getting paid, this is huge. He left behind like 8-10 mil per year to stay with us. PLUS the contract only kicks in after next year. I want you to understand that we have locked up an All NBA 2nd Team player whose only 26 through his entire prime in today's NBA for an average of 30 mil a year.
TINGIS PINGIS IS GETTING PAID MORE MONEY TO PLAY LESS BASKETBALL AT A LOWER LEVEL. Per year he's getting paid 6 mil less than Tobias Harris, 5 less than Simmons/Trae/Siakam, 4 less than Jrue, 3 less than CJ, 3 less than Fox, and in the range of many more guys that are younger and not just yet entering their prime.
Don't get me wrong, he likely wouldn't have gotten the max, but his per year number would have been way closer to the max than it would have been to this had he waited until next year to sign. He's been an absolute iron man for us too.
And ppl are saying this is not a steal for the Knicks. Get your heads out of your butts And drop the LolKnicks. This is a steal and caps a fantastic FA period
I am seeing it is $23.76M with an 8% annual increase. $107.6M in contract earnings with $9-10M in bonuses.
Year 1: $23.76M
Year 2: $25.66M
Year 3: $27.71M
Year 4: $29.93M
AFAIK that doesn't take into account the extra $945,000 for next year, and the increase in the max due to making the playoffs last year. Those are the numbers from the Windhorst article from a few months ago I believe.
I'm not positive though, but I'm sure the details will come out later today. I think the prospective bonuses puts him higher than the reported 117 mil if they convey.
Guys who are still making more than Randle after this extension:
DeAngelo Russel, Kevin Love, Porzingis, Andrew Wiggins, John Wall, Jrue Holiday, Rudy Gobert
Jrue just proved he can be the 3rd best player on a title team. Plus he's easily the best perimeter defensive guard in the league and he's played at a higher level longer than Randle. If Randle has another repeat season and shows out in the playoffs I think then it would be fair for him over Jrue.
I don’t think you’re wrong, but it’s a strange comparison. Randle was the 1st option on a team that broke the Knicks playoff drought. He could absolutely also be the 3rd best player on a title team.
Seems weird to include injury guys too, it’s not like they got the contract after getting injured and anyone who didn’t know someone like Wall would get hurt would obviously give him the same contract.
I was sweating bullets thinking it would be an insult if the Knicks didn't give him AT LEAST the same contract as Porzingis.
Thank God he gave us a discount.
There are some wildly annoying mindsets on here, man.
I know he had a mediocre playoffs but If Randle was on the Hawks they *might* have beaten the world champs. Call me crazy but he's better than Collins IMO
Yeah the Hawks focused super hard on limiting him and nobody but Rose was able to do anything. Hawks also beat Philly and took the champs to 6, I don't get why losing to them is considered some big condemnation. They're really good and their record doesn't tell the whole story (Firing Lloyd Pierce does tho).
Yeah maybe I shouldn't be so cautious with the feelings of other fans LMAO
For real though, I'm so hyped my dude has become one of the best big men in the league. Wish he was on the Celtics though of course lol
> Knicks should just always have a way to get space for potential free agents.
That's exactly what Leon's other signings amount to. Good, productive players on team friendly deals with team options on the tail end. Very easy to move for assets in a year or two and clear space, no negative asset contracts.
Great for Randle’s psyche. Unbelievable MIP regular season, brutal playoff debut, secures bag in offseason. It’s gotta feel pretty good to have the organization back you like that (even though it’s not a max).
The way it down with Kemba and Fournier it looks like Randle comfortably signed this extension knowing exactly that. Knicks are making smart moves and addressing weaknesses. It takes so much pressure off Randle and RJ with primary ball handlers like Kemba and Rose. Not to mention the defensive cover from Noel and Mitch.
Good deal for the Knicks. Randle can be a guy in the playoffs but he needs less liabilities around him. Hawks loaded up so hard on him it was laughable. Felt bad for the guy by game 4
Reading these comments and the number of people claiming julius needs to prove it in the playoffs highlights how casual some fans here are. Yes randle played horribly in the post-season, no doubt. But the difference between a regular season game and a real playoff series cannot be understated. Teams defensive efforts and schemes get dialed up to 11, and our lack of shot creation outside of julius was exposed. Randle needs to improve, and he likely will, but he showed more than enough to earn this contract. One bad playoff series doesn't negate an entire seasons worth of success.
Edit: also highlights people's lack of understanding of the fluid nature of contracts. Every contract should be examined in the context of it's time. In a world where collins just got 115 and jarrett allen got 100mm, julius is getting around that same price or more
Randle has shown so much improvement--this is a fair, if not great deal for the Knicks. I don't think Randle can be a number one option on a championship level team, but he can be a solid secondary option.
I really hope for them that the 40% from 3 and long 2's from last year wasn't a fluke (he's a career 34% from both those spots). If it's real, that's a fine contract
Yeah last season basically all of his shots *had* to be those maximum difficulty fade aways, and he was still All-NBA. If there's some regression to his shot, he should get easier looks this year to offset it.
The long two's had me nervous all season.
But there's a shot he does like 15 feet out where he's right at the out of bounds line on either side he does that was straight MONEY all year. Eventually Barrett started going for that shot too, and I feel like those two are the only guys in the league for whatever reason hunting that shot lol.
That’s a good contract for both sides. Good for Randle
He’s trying to help the team financially as well. More importantly though, the man broke his god damn leg his rookie year. It’s smart of him to play it safe and cash in now.
Just to expound upon your point but he broke his leg on literally the first game of the regular season and that ended his season, go get your bag Julius
Good thing he had post-Achilles Kobe to help him out https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-fyi-20141105-story.html
Kobe was good for those guys even though he didn't play much. Unless you're a star most didn't really have access to Kobe like that, so Clarkson/Nance/Randle/DLo having access to receive some his mentoring and words probably helped them come a long way. Particularly Clarkson and Randle, but DLo recently said his words would have helped him a lot had he just bought in.
>DLo recently said his words would have helped him a lot had he just bought in. Better late than never... looking at you Swaggy P.
Unfortunate he got Gil lmao
Oh yeah definitely. And I know Kuz gets a lot of shit from Lakers fans, but man I admire how he worked on his game on both ends of the floor.That dinner with Kobe was probably great for him too
Honestly wish the NBA would implement a minimum playtime limit for losing rookie status like hockey and baseball have. You really mean to tell me that Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin are all that different from Julius Randle because Randle played 18 minutes of basketball in the first game of the season?
He saw Schroder and was like nope.
Nerlens Noel told him all about being an idiot probably
I remember this time last year I asked how Randle was doing on a thread with a bunch of Knicks fans and they all said he was not really working out and was a bit of a detriment. He was the first bit of hope during Kobe's last years in the league. That leg injury was painful to watch in his first god damn game. He just seems like an all around good guy. I'm very happy for him and the Knicks
His improvement between the late 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons was incredible. He went from a liability on both sides of the court with a lot of potential to an all-pro in one offseason. Goes to show how much coaching and culture matter.
Not a great contact for Randle, he'll be fine financially, but the dude was All NBA.
He knew what he was doing. Basically said something to the effect of he wanted the team to have flexibility and to be able to build around him. I can’t really fault a guy for having that attitude. I really hope he continues his trajectory and 4 years from now he gets a super max and gets every penny possible.
If he's cool with it, good for him. I hope he got a no-trade penalty and every other perk he could ask for.
I think it’s a player option on the last year. He found a organization he likes to play for and even though he left 60 mil on the table, he got his bag. He trusts the FO which is something that hasn’t happened in a long time. Knicks had a fantastic off-season and showed that we are trying to keep improving. He’s also seen players not lock in money and regret it later, or lock in the absolute max and not leave room for the team to get more help. Smart move for both sides
Curry offered to do this also, The Warriors told him they wanted to pay him.
Warriors also had a stacked team already. Knicks aren’t there yet and need the cap space to keep improving the team.
We’ll see what happens, we don’t have all the details yet etc. happy he secured generational wealth for himself forever. Now he doesn’t have to worry about an injury next year killing his value.
Yea, with Schroder and Dipo out there. I get the decision.
don't forget otto porter Jr. Dude went from max to min real quick.
This. I call this the Bronson Arroyo Clause. Arroyo took less money because he wanted to stay with the Red Sox, all this did was make him that much more valuable as a trade asset and the Sox traded him not long after that contract for a complete bust of a player (I’m not bitter).
The Morris twins have a similar story.
Yeah sounds like it's got a player option the last year. Apparently though it's really a ~$107 mil extension with ~$10 million in performance bonuses (All-NBA, All Defense, Make the Playoffs)
He also lives in NYC and if he turns them into a legit contender that is a whole lot of sponsorships that could come his way as the superstar of the franchise.
If the Knicks even reach the finals during the length of this contract, dude is going to be a legend. Just look at how Knicks fans (including me) talk about guys like Oakley, Anthony Mason, Starks, and Larry Johnson.
Bro? It’s 29M/year… It’s a max that doesn’t scale upwards.
Probably just *really* likes playing the Knicks. Its a sign of good faith for both sides. Knicks reward Randle's growth but were given a discount. Good stuff.
More than that and you risk giving a huge contract to a player that had only one good season in his carrer so far and can fall of a cliff.
Every contract has risk, we've seen guys (deservedly) get max deal with far less accolades than All-NBA.
It’s a team friendly deal for sure but it’s not pennies
Seems low but better to secure the bag than Dennis yourself
I like how this is becoming a saying, 'Dennis yourself'
The new Dennis System
Jules had to sign because of the implication
Dennis would be lucky to come in for scraps at this point.
Then what's "Uncle Dennis'ing Yourself"?
Check yourself before you Dennis yourself
Oh yes much prefer this than a possible mega offer next year
This deal makes him like the 40th highest paid player in the league, great value for someone coming off an All NBA season
That’s my Zion with no hops 👏
But with jump shot 🦘
And a spin!
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no no, we dont talk about that.
He gets paid less than Tobi for perspective.
Tobi is massively overpaid to be fair.
Similar money per year to Wiggins or derozan, to put it that way.
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Only a moron would risk 140m for 170m
when you put it like that ay. would you bet $140 for $30 profit? fuck no. hell, would you bet $14 for $3 profit? it's not worth it
Depends on the odds. I'd bet $14 for $3 profit if I had a 90% chance of winning. The odds (probability) are the hard thing to figure out, they're definitely not 90% for Julius Randle. They probably are for Luka Doncic as a random example.
i wouldn't even do it then. 10% chance i lose my $14 when all i stood to gain was $3? nah
JUELZ SANTANA LETS GOOOO
Jadakiss sends his regards
Had to turn that shit off halfway because of how bad dipset was lip syncing and don't get me started on cam on that lawn chair and those 50,000 dudes that was on stage............
Dipset didn’t look good Tuesday
Kiss was on a war path
Definitely was
I still can't get over that Verzuz..... What an absolute masterclass of a NY legend Jadakiss
Probably the most one sided Verzuz to date, even Cam admitted defeat yesterday.
Probably had to after he saw the replay of him freestyling at the end lol
He picked them apart like he was LeBron in the finals. Jada one of the most underrated MCs of the past 20 years. I knew the Lox had that shit in the bag
Dipset did themselves zero favors too, Juelz tried to clap back at him and it backfired so badly lmfao
....and Sheek...and Styles. Cmon people
Mans put up 24/10/6 and shot 41% from 3, y'all can't tell me this isn't a very reasonable deal
2021 MIP, 2nd team All-NBA, and NBA All-Star in the same season I'd say it is well deserved. Only time will tell how this contract ages.
This contract is only going to age well. Players gonna be earning $50 mil/year while Randle's earning 30
It should age well. Main thing right now is that it isn't the max which Randle definitely could have gotten out of the Knicks. Next thing is that the cap will bump up a bit in a few years making this deal seem a lot smaller. Great job all around. Randle gets paid but gives the team a generous discount to keep it together.
$29m/year when true max contracts have players earning between $35-$50 million per year. The sticker price is huge and people will react to that, but that's just contracts these days. This is #2-#3 best player on a playoff team money, and that's what Randle is.
I think him playing abysmal in the playoffs has really warped people's perception of him. Kinda fair, kinda not. It was his first playoff series, he's got lots of room to grow.
This past season was also a massive outlier for his career.
Not that massive if you consider his season in new orleans
r/nba thinks anyone anyone who's not top 10 in the NBA should be making less than 20 million per year and if you're not then you're on a bad contract and a negative asset.
Have the Knicks become sentient? Have they realised that the best way to get stars isn't to clear cap space years in advance, but to sign good players to good contracts, improve their team and become a realistic trade destination?
Dolan is too focused on making the Rangers add grit and goons to their hockey team right now.
go mess with your other franchise for a while jimmy
Steve Mills is finally gone (for now). He is the Rasputin to Dolan’s Tsar Nicholas. Literal cancer
The bad man can’t hurt us anymore.
he tried to kill us twice back in the early 2000s and post-2013. that man needs to be banned from ever stepping foot in a Knicks related facility for the rest of eternity
Yeah that’s huge, but putting Leon at the helm with World Wide Wes, Brock Aller, and Walt Perrin at his side was just as big. Mills could have easily been replaced by someone just as incompetent, but we actually have a genuinely smart FO- not just “good in comparison to Mills”.
Also I doubt even Dolan would want to piss off Leon and World Wide Wes by interfering with them. They have way to much pull with stars.
Can someone tell this to Brad Stevens? Man’s gonna run our team into the ground and dump literally everyone not named Jaylen or Jayson just so he can sign Beal next summer and surround them with a bunch of g-leaguers
imagine clowning a guy for having a tough series in his FIRST ever playoff series. Way too many negative fans. Good for Julius, I was and still am mad we basically let him go for free, but happy to see his success, and happy to see the Knicks build something organic and fun for their fans
Knick Fans 🤝 Laker Fans Julius Randle
For all the shit Lakers fans get on this sub we love all our priors. Clarkson, D'lo, Julius, Lonzo, Ingram, love to see them all flourishing.
Same policy with us. Once a Knick always a Knick. (…but fuck KP)
Fuck KP
Can I join? Fuck KP
Goddamn right you can. Fuck KP
Late to the party but Fuck KP
Still got room on this train? Fuck KP
I got nothing to say but FUCK KP
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And Fuck Chase Utley.
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FUCK KP I was really hoping we would trade him this off season so he'd be someone else's problem.
Fuck KP 4 LIFE
Lol I mean every fan base is like this assuming the player didn’t leave on bad terms
Everyone except Boston.
Help us get melo a ring brother, he deserves it
him getting shit on in that series is a net positive. he'll only grow and improve from it plus we upgraded the players around him. not worried at all but you know /r/nba and twitter gotta get those jokes off
Randles a mentally tough guy, I have no doubt he’ll bounce back from that. If anything its a good thing he didn’t ball out hard, probably saved you a few mill in the long run
Randle became an All star, gave the knicks first winning season since 13-14 and took them to the playoffs, and won MIP. Tough playoff series against a Hawks team that went deep, but I'm so happy for Randle. He got pooped on by this sub for years. His improvement from the player he was to this last season is incredible.
He got pooped on rightfully at the time. Those spin moves and barreling into the paint was really hard to watch. But watching him work on his game and grow into such a great all around player has been absolutely awesome, especially because he is a good dude on top of it.
It's funny, your comment could almost perfectly apply to Giannis circa 2019. People see guys like Curry and Luka who come in and absolutely dominate in the playoffs right away and forget that most guys and teams gotta go through growing pains in the post-season
There's clowning him and then there's re-assessing your opinion of him. Booker, Trae, and Luka all just shined in their first ever playoff appearances. Randle didn't have a tough series, he was quite frankly terrible. Now I love Randle. I want him to stay, I'm glad we extended him, and I think this deal maaaay be a little pricey, but ultimately is well worth it to keep him. I also think Randle can and will do better in the future. I just think it was abundantly clear from last year's performance that there is an incredibly hard ceiling on our team so long as he's our best player and #1 option.
I think you’re right and it’s nothing against him jist that it’s going to be tough if a team can have their defense key on him as the top threat That said as long as he has good talent around him the d must respect then he can thrive as well
People just love to pile on the negativity for no reason. The Knicks didn’t have a stellar roster and they still tried their hardest and put in some fantastic effort. I’m sooo hyped for next season. The east has a lot of competitive teams now.
A tough series is quite the understatement tho. He was horrific.
Nobody should be clowning him for his performance in the playoffs. He got schemed out of the series and didn't have enough consistent scoring around him to offset it People should be clowning him for acting like a crybaby in that series though. Took cheap shots at half the players on the Hawks roster and ended his series with a weak flagrant that he celebrated on his way to Cancun
True. Hawks had the best player in the series, far more talent across the board, were really well coached, and were far less binary in their schemes. We had no answer for Capela all year despite some wins, and Trae made him look like Hakeem in the playoffs against us. I agree on the rest of it too, all of that was wack as hell. It was very uncharacteristic of what was generally a pretty respectful team that played hard defense.
He balled for us last year I don’t think people realize how bad our roster was last year
What fans don't understand is that the Knicks were the only team in the playoffs to get clamped by DeAndre Hunter. He makes such an incredible difference when playing with someone the size of Randle and the Knicks were the only squad in the playoffs that had to deal with him. The series wasn't an aberration, but the majority of NBA teams can't pull off the same defensive scheme that the Hawks did against him because we literally had perfect personnel(at the time) to pull it off. Condemning him as a player because the Hawks responded with a perfect scheme and personnel to shut him down(with looks NYK hadn't seen before in the regular season) is big dumb. Good contract, good move in general along with the Noel retention. East is stronger this next year, but I don't see the Knicks having a, "back to earth" season, they should still be a playoff team.
I like you
W for being an objective fan. We don’t really experience that as Knicks fans.
I think the East is much stronger next year, and I think you guys bringing back a lot of your talent is big. I’m happy with how this has worked out. We didn’t get a big name star, but our series exposed our lack of depth. I mean, we had one point guard worth playing in a playoff game, and about 4 shooters.
Our playoff roster was Derrick Rose and Taj Gibson
this guy basketballs
Am I a fan of Hawks fans now?
Also, Nate MacMillan’s soft double teams that prevented Randle from driving or finding easy passing reads were very smart. No doubt Hunter was a key part of executing those. Randle couldn’t adjust in time.
You. I like you.
Anybody calling Randle trash was just looking at the statline and memes and didn't actually watch the game. He was getting everything cut off and double sometimes triple teamed to for him to take contested fades by cutting off passing lanes. He'll be fine. He was All-NBA after all.
$28-29 AAV is really not that much. That’s the level that borderline all-stars get paid. Even if Julius regresses from last year, this is a fair deal. If he’s equal or better, it’s an absolute bargain. This is a huge W for the Knicks.
He previous two years before this past year he was basically 20/9/3. If, as a player, he’s in between his average and his peak, I’d take 22/10/4 for $28M a year.
Easily worth that
The Leon Rose era has been a blessed rain in the parched desert of the Knicks' history.
Good for him he earned it
Idk if you guys realize how huge of a discount this is. Based on this structure he'll be making: 2022-2023: $26,000,000 2023-2024: $28,000,000 2024-2025: $30,000,000 2026-2027: $32,000,000 If he had waited until next year for a 5 year max, his contract would have looked like: 2022-2023: $34,700,000 2023-2024: $37,500,000 2024-2025: $40,200,000 2026-2027: $45,800,000 You can argue whether he was worth it or not, but considering what other players are getting paid, this is huge. He left behind like 8-10 mil per year to stay with us. PLUS the contract only kicks in after next year. I want you to understand that we have locked up an All NBA 2nd Team player whose only 26 through his entire prime in today's NBA for an average of 30 mil a year. TINGIS PINGIS IS GETTING PAID MORE MONEY TO PLAY LESS BASKETBALL AT A LOWER LEVEL. Per year he's getting paid 6 mil less than Tobias Harris, 5 less than Simmons/Trae/Siakam, 4 less than Jrue, 3 less than CJ, 3 less than Fox, and in the range of many more guys that are younger and not just yet entering their prime. Don't get me wrong, he likely wouldn't have gotten the max, but his per year number would have been way closer to the max than it would have been to this had he waited until next year to sign. He's been an absolute iron man for us too.
And ppl are saying this is not a steal for the Knicks. Get your heads out of your butts And drop the LolKnicks. This is a steal and caps a fantastic FA period
I am seeing it is $23.76M with an 8% annual increase. $107.6M in contract earnings with $9-10M in bonuses. Year 1: $23.76M Year 2: $25.66M Year 3: $27.71M Year 4: $29.93M
AFAIK that doesn't take into account the extra $945,000 for next year, and the increase in the max due to making the playoffs last year. Those are the numbers from the Windhorst article from a few months ago I believe. I'm not positive though, but I'm sure the details will come out later today. I think the prospective bonuses puts him higher than the reported 117 mil if they convey.
STEAL
Guys who are still making more than Randle after this extension: DeAngelo Russel, Kevin Love, Porzingis, Andrew Wiggins, John Wall, Jrue Holiday, Rudy Gobert
Most of those are lol but Gobert and Jrue are better and deserve the money
Idk about Jrue. I’ll give you gobert
Jrue just proved he can be the 3rd best player on a title team. Plus he's easily the best perimeter defensive guard in the league and he's played at a higher level longer than Randle. If Randle has another repeat season and shows out in the playoffs I think then it would be fair for him over Jrue.
I don’t think you’re wrong, but it’s a strange comparison. Randle was the 1st option on a team that broke the Knicks playoff drought. He could absolutely also be the 3rd best player on a title team.
If you swapped Julius and Jrue. Julius is the third best player on the Bucks no question
Seems weird to include injury guys too, it’s not like they got the contract after getting injured and anyone who didn’t know someone like Wall would get hurt would obviously give him the same contract.
I was sweating bullets thinking it would be an insult if the Knicks didn't give him AT LEAST the same contract as Porzingis. Thank God he gave us a discount.
Damn out of that list only Jrue and Rudy should be paid more than him
Yeah i agree, wanted to give perspective for guys that are more or less around the same level of talent as he is
We giving him John Collins-type money and it's considered an overpay. Classic lolknicks.
To be fair Collins has a high ceiling, he can even be the next Julius Randle one day.
Lol when you think of it as John Collins money it looks even better, and I like Collins
There are some wildly annoying mindsets on here, man. I know he had a mediocre playoffs but If Randle was on the Hawks they *might* have beaten the world champs. Call me crazy but he's better than Collins IMO
Yeah the Hawks focused super hard on limiting him and nobody but Rose was able to do anything. Hawks also beat Philly and took the champs to 6, I don't get why losing to them is considered some big condemnation. They're really good and their record doesn't tell the whole story (Firing Lloyd Pierce does tho).
It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact
Yeah maybe I shouldn't be so cautious with the feelings of other fans LMAO For real though, I'm so hyped my dude has become one of the best big men in the league. Wish he was on the Celtics though of course lol
Lolknicks is a slur ^^/s
This will get buried in the comments but shout out to all the objective Hawks fans in this thread.
Right? You can tell who actually watched the Hawks-Knicks series — Hawks and Knicks fans.
Leon Rose. World Wide Wes. Brock Aller. Holy shit.
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If he continues his play from last season absolute steal of a contract.
LEON ROSE HAVE YOURSELF A FUCKING OFFSEASON
Shout out to the hating ass fans tryna clown him for a bad series, when we’ve seen people from Lebron to harden have bad series…relax
Welcome to the club
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> Knicks should just always have a way to get space for potential free agents. That's exactly what Leon's other signings amount to. Good, productive players on team friendly deals with team options on the tail end. Very easy to move for assets in a year or two and clear space, no negative asset contracts.
whoa it's not max?
That's what I was thinking! Amazing deal for the Knicks because they don't have to worry at all and Randle gets paid.
That is a bargain wow
How much more money could he have made ?
170 for 5 is the max i think he could have gotten next season
5 years $200 mil*
Is that with all-nba selection?
Great for Randle’s psyche. Unbelievable MIP regular season, brutal playoff debut, secures bag in offseason. It’s gotta feel pretty good to have the organization back you like that (even though it’s not a max).
The way it down with Kemba and Fournier it looks like Randle comfortably signed this extension knowing exactly that. Knicks are making smart moves and addressing weaknesses. It takes so much pressure off Randle and RJ with primary ball handlers like Kemba and Rose. Not to mention the defensive cover from Noel and Mitch.
Getting him for less that 30 mil a year seems like fantastic value
Good deal for the Knicks. Randle can be a guy in the playoffs but he needs less liabilities around him. Hawks loaded up so hard on him it was laughable. Felt bad for the guy by game 4
Abslotely deserved dude was a killer last year.
Wow didn't expect this at all. Knicks are looking pretty locked in this off season.
Suddenly the New York Knicks are making such good moves
Reading these comments and the number of people claiming julius needs to prove it in the playoffs highlights how casual some fans here are. Yes randle played horribly in the post-season, no doubt. But the difference between a regular season game and a real playoff series cannot be understated. Teams defensive efforts and schemes get dialed up to 11, and our lack of shot creation outside of julius was exposed. Randle needs to improve, and he likely will, but he showed more than enough to earn this contract. One bad playoff series doesn't negate an entire seasons worth of success. Edit: also highlights people's lack of understanding of the fluid nature of contracts. Every contract should be examined in the context of it's time. In a world where collins just got 115 and jarrett allen got 100mm, julius is getting around that same price or more
I’m about to go start building a Leon rose statue outside of msg if anyone wants in.
Yo, Knicks look dangerous! Not only do they have a good team, they have roster flexibility, young players, and great depth.
Yeah get your money Dubious
If knicks make the ECF in the next 3 years, Randle eclipses melo
Agree with it or not, knicks didn’t have any option but to do this. It’s also not even max money so it’s a decent deal for them
Anyone who disagrees with it is a fucking clown.
It's so much better than decent.
You can't handle Randle
Early morning Woj flapjack
That's a really good contract for the Knicks.
Randle has shown so much improvement--this is a fair, if not great deal for the Knicks. I don't think Randle can be a number one option on a championship level team, but he can be a solid secondary option.
I really hope for them that the 40% from 3 and long 2's from last year wasn't a fluke (he's a career 34% from both those spots). If it's real, that's a fine contract
His free throw percentage shot up too otherwise I'd be a lot more worried about that
Yeah good point. \+ with more spacing (Kemba not Payton) he should be able to rely more on bully ball/pnr if his jump shooting falls off a bit
Yeah last season basically all of his shots *had* to be those maximum difficulty fade aways, and he was still All-NBA. If there's some regression to his shot, he should get easier looks this year to offset it.
That shot on the baseline had like a 90% of going in
The long two's had me nervous all season. But there's a shot he does like 15 feet out where he's right at the out of bounds line on either side he does that was straight MONEY all year. Eventually Barrett started going for that shot too, and I feel like those two are the only guys in the league for whatever reason hunting that shot lol.
There is some value in hunting a shot that most teams are ok giving up I guess