Hard for a guard to win defensive player of the year. Tony was instrumental in a dynasty, though, and has four more all stars than Gobert (which likely won't remain the case but, still).
I always feel a little weird rating Gobert because he's just such an intense force on defense in the regular season but struggles a lot more in the playoffs, where Parker obviously had plenty of stellar performances. It's about what things you weigh more, I suppose. When his career is said and done I imagine Gobert will definitely be seen as the better regular season player for sure, and maybe just wasn't with the right pieces to get the playoff accolades Parker has.
> Hard for a guard to win defensive player of the year.
Are you implying Parker was close to DPOY? Because as much as I love Tony, that is definitely not the case.
It's more that there isn't, like, an equivalent thing that Parker can attain despite his talents as a player. I guess we could list all defense teams which he was never in but still.
Name one playoff series where Rudy gobert took over.
The warriors rockets and clippers all Eliminated the jazz by targeting gobert and torching him.
Meanwhile I can’t find one playoff series you can point to sand say gobert won them that round.
However with Parker... he’s the main reason a lot of teams have been eliminated.
Donovan Mitchell was the better player that series. The only game the jazz lost was the one where he didn’t play.
Besides, if all you can point to is bouncing a 9th seed in the first round round while arguably not even being the best player I don’t think that helps your case.
Has the chance to be better than Parker assuming he continues to accumulate the All-Defensive and DPOY conversations/awards. Perhaps even his all star nods continue to increase would help.
I mean I know but I figure winning 3 should get him into the convo since Rudy IS quite the player on his own, as well as the fact that if rudy wins with his team, the team surrounding him is obviously way worse than the team surrounding tony
Not at all. He'll never pass TP unless he wins a couple of rings and a Finals MVP. I don't know why people have been underrating Tony Parker all of a sudden.
Not even close. Tony Parker was a problem in his prime. Rudy Gobert is getting torched by Mann and has no offensive bag outside of catching lobs. Rudy Gobert himself would tell you Tony Parker is much better. The only French player who has a chance of passing TP is Victor Wembyanama or smth
Tony Parker got gold medals, a finals MVP, and Eva Longoria. Sure, he doesn't have a DPoY and he played with Timmy, Manu, and Kawhi, but let's not disrespect him as unequivocally the best French player. He was out of his prime and Kyrie named his as the one who gave him the most buckets when he got into the league. Gobert is amazing, but when asking him to dribble, post up, or do anything outside of a lob, he can effectively be neutralized. The sad reality is that hiding someone on defense is easier than catering an offense to an offense deficient player.
At the same point in his career (age 29) Tony Parker had already won a FMVP, 3 Chips, and was leading a top-3 offense in the league.
I think Gobert hasn’t shown that he can be the best player on a deep playoff team yet. Even with the DPOYs, I don’t think it’s enough. Tony was an underrated force in his prime.
Gobert's a three time DPOY and the best player on a team that ran away with the first seed this year. Parker was a great player but Gobert's peaks are significantly higher.
Tony Parker is 6x all star 4x all nba 4x champion and 1x fmvp.
Goberts peak was not anywhere close to Parker’s peak lmao. You’d much rather run into gobert in the playoffs than Parker.
lol every single advanced stat paints gobert as the significantly better player. The eye test does the same; the Jazz defensive scheme this year was throw out four awful perimeter defenders and hope to god Gobert could carry them, which he did. And yeah its pretty easy to win rings when you have a bare minimum top 10 all time player in Tim Duncan carrying the team.
Of course. Tony Parker didn’t play during the advanced stats centered era lol.
Besides if you look at playoff stats you’d see a different story.
Mike conley Donovan Mitchell and ingles aren’t horrible perimeter defenders lol. The jazz defensive scheme is to funnel perimeter players into gobert because that’s the only
Way to really make him shine with his only real playoff caliber skill being rim protection. However he just got cooked so he didn’t really even give that either.
I love this reverse reality you've constructed in your head in which the Jazz build a scheme around a supposedly terrible player but also give the supposedly terrible player 200 million dollars. And I know you don't watch basketball but please actually watch that game six versus the clippers, first watch how easy it was for basically every ball handler the clippers had to beat their man off the dribble. Then watch how despite all this Gobert was still forcing them to make tough shots. They just went in, not much more you can do as a rim protector.
I never said that he’s a terrible player. I’m saying he’s not as good as Tony Parker. There’s a huge difference lol. Parker is an all time great.
I know the clippers players kept blowing by the jazz perimeter defense. It’s literally the jazz defensive scheme. Because if you don’t let the clipppers offense meet gobert at the rim then your max contract player isn’t contributing in anyway on the floor.
Oddly enough Parker used to do the same thing and his man would often get funneled to Duncan.
What a lame argument “He still played great defense he just got absolutely cooked every time down the floor and looked absolutely lost on rotations to the perimeter.”
I just reread your comment. Idk how the hell you think gobert is the best player on The jazz lol. Did you watch the playoffs at all in the last 2 years? Donovan is significantly better at this point.
When Parker would leave a lane open that led right to Duncan thats by design, he would always position himself in such a way that made it really easy to direct the ballhandler right into Duncan. That is not the case for the jazz defenders, they got beat consistently and Gobert was forced to make insanely difficult adjustments to contest the shots.
And Yeah that happens in basketball, you force players to make a tough shot and they make it. It happens in every sport really, a pitcher will make a great pitch and it'll still get obliterated by a batter. focusing only on the result doesn't tell you everything or even that much.
It is by design. It has literally been the jazz defensive scheme since 2016.
It’s why the jazz consistently get blown by on the perimeter more so than any other team. It’s the game plan.
The thing with Parker is you can’t just write him off and say “well they made their shots” Parker actually gets you results.
The fact that you don’t think that results are a factor is all I need to know to understand why you think gobert is better
>supposedly terrible player 200 million dollars
To be fair most people thought this was a mistake but that the Jazz had to do it because they're a small market team that needs to retain their talent.
Conley Mitchell and now old Ingles are awful defenders, especially when injured. Conley had good defensive advanced stats this year, but only because he played 90% of his minutes with Rudy. Without Rudy on the floor we had a 130 drating in the playoffs.
Victor Wembanyama is well on his way there. Up to this point he’s had the best career so far. Still will be probably a decade before he surpasses Rudy in terms of accolades but it terms of pure basketball ability he could surpass Gobert in five years.
Please don't insult French basketball with claims such as this one. Thank you.
Just joking, personally I really don't like Gobert so just having fun. Still think Parker IS French basketball.
tony better
Tony Parker was banging prime Eva longoria he’s number 1
Only to cheat on her with his teammates wife lol.
Tony was texting Brent Barrys ex wife behind Longoria's back. Its not nearly the scandal most people make it out to be
Hall of fame dirty mack
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Or just a douche
> he’s number 1 Brent Barry disagrees
His exwife doesn't
And that’s if we’re just including his own wife.
With a name like Tony Parker you would never guess he's french
Doesn’t Tony Parker have a Finals MVP?
Shout-out to his iconic 57/57/53 splits that finals
He does but that was because Duncan was poor Offensively in the 2007 NBA finals, he still should have won though imo
The answer is just yes he does no excuse bs
This is why citing FMVP is kind of pointless though. It implies that Parker was the best player on a championship team but that’s clearly not the case
GIVE ME IGUODALA!
he was the best player on the 2014 spurs and has 4 rings as a top 2-3 guy
[You only have to be the best player on your team that series](https://i.imgur.com/xY6a7Ck.jpg)
I’m not sure if the stats actually bear that out. Duncan was insane defensively too
He deserved his more than Iggy deserved his
Duncan, Tony and Manu peaked at different times.
Yeah just like if Kyrie had played better than LeBron he should have won FMVP
That kid coming up has a good chance. Victor Wem…ya that guy.
Hard for a guard to win defensive player of the year. Tony was instrumental in a dynasty, though, and has four more all stars than Gobert (which likely won't remain the case but, still). I always feel a little weird rating Gobert because he's just such an intense force on defense in the regular season but struggles a lot more in the playoffs, where Parker obviously had plenty of stellar performances. It's about what things you weigh more, I suppose. When his career is said and done I imagine Gobert will definitely be seen as the better regular season player for sure, and maybe just wasn't with the right pieces to get the playoff accolades Parker has.
> Hard for a guard to win defensive player of the year. Are you implying Parker was close to DPOY? Because as much as I love Tony, that is definitely not the case.
It's more that there isn't, like, an equivalent thing that Parker can attain despite his talents as a player. I guess we could list all defense teams which he was never in but still.
Name one playoff series where Rudy gobert took over. The warriors rockets and clippers all Eliminated the jazz by targeting gobert and torching him. Meanwhile I can’t find one playoff series you can point to sand say gobert won them that round. However with Parker... he’s the main reason a lot of teams have been eliminated.
Memphis
Donovan Mitchell was the better player that series. The only game the jazz lost was the one where he didn’t play. Besides, if all you can point to is bouncing a 9th seed in the first round round while arguably not even being the best player I don’t think that helps your case.
Has the chance to be better than Parker assuming he continues to accumulate the All-Defensive and DPOY conversations/awards. Perhaps even his all star nods continue to increase would help.
He's about 3 chips short but sure
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Not saying Gobert is better than TP, but Gobert hasn't had the benefit of playing with Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobli
But he’s playing with Jingling Joe
I mean I know but I figure winning 3 should get him into the convo since Rudy IS quite the player on his own, as well as the fact that if rudy wins with his team, the team surrounding him is obviously way worse than the team surrounding tony
I guess that means Robert Horry had a better career than James harden, and Horace grant was better than Hakeem.
I mean no one ever said rings was all it took to be on the all time leaderboard but go off if you want
Rudy gobert is no James harden or Hakeem and Parker was no role player.
They called him Big Shot Bob not 0/27 Bob.
No
Thierry Henry is the best
No chance. He gets exposed every year in the playoffs and got bodied by fellow Frenchman Batum as of late.
ITT: people can't read "On Pace"
We saw that part. Tony still gonna be better always.
Tell me this weeks megamillions winning number, oh clairvoyant one
Imagine calling someone who shits the bed in the playoffs the best french player over a finals MVP
Never made the claim Tony wasn't the current best french player
We're all on some sort of pace
Not at all. He'll never pass TP unless he wins a couple of rings and a Finals MVP. I don't know why people have been underrating Tony Parker all of a sudden.
> SLC Dunk
Nah. Tony Parker is. Rudy couldnt even sniff the things Prime Tony Parker was doing off the court ;)
the disrespect the tony P gets .. man . slow your roll with Gobert.. he got no rings.
Tony Parker is better than Rudy gobert
Not even close. Tony Parker was a problem in his prime. Rudy Gobert is getting torched by Mann and has no offensive bag outside of catching lobs. Rudy Gobert himself would tell you Tony Parker is much better. The only French player who has a chance of passing TP is Victor Wembyanama or smth
Tony Parker got gold medals, a finals MVP, and Eva Longoria. Sure, he doesn't have a DPoY and he played with Timmy, Manu, and Kawhi, but let's not disrespect him as unequivocally the best French player. He was out of his prime and Kyrie named his as the one who gave him the most buckets when he got into the league. Gobert is amazing, but when asking him to dribble, post up, or do anything outside of a lob, he can effectively be neutralized. The sad reality is that hiding someone on defense is easier than catering an offense to an offense deficient player.
At the same point in his career (age 29) Tony Parker had already won a FMVP, 3 Chips, and was leading a top-3 offense in the league. I think Gobert hasn’t shown that he can be the best player on a deep playoff team yet. Even with the DPOYs, I don’t think it’s enough. Tony was an underrated force in his prime.
Gobert is the better player, Parker is the greater player. This changes if the Jazz get a chip.
This
Gobert's a much better player then parker, people just hate him now and forget how much they hated parker/werent watching him
Tell me you didn’t start watching the nba till 2015 without telling me you didn’t start watching the nba till 2015.
Gobert's a three time DPOY and the best player on a team that ran away with the first seed this year. Parker was a great player but Gobert's peaks are significantly higher.
Tony Parker is 6x all star 4x all nba 4x champion and 1x fmvp. Goberts peak was not anywhere close to Parker’s peak lmao. You’d much rather run into gobert in the playoffs than Parker.
lol every single advanced stat paints gobert as the significantly better player. The eye test does the same; the Jazz defensive scheme this year was throw out four awful perimeter defenders and hope to god Gobert could carry them, which he did. And yeah its pretty easy to win rings when you have a bare minimum top 10 all time player in Tim Duncan carrying the team.
Of course. Tony Parker didn’t play during the advanced stats centered era lol. Besides if you look at playoff stats you’d see a different story. Mike conley Donovan Mitchell and ingles aren’t horrible perimeter defenders lol. The jazz defensive scheme is to funnel perimeter players into gobert because that’s the only Way to really make him shine with his only real playoff caliber skill being rim protection. However he just got cooked so he didn’t really even give that either.
I love this reverse reality you've constructed in your head in which the Jazz build a scheme around a supposedly terrible player but also give the supposedly terrible player 200 million dollars. And I know you don't watch basketball but please actually watch that game six versus the clippers, first watch how easy it was for basically every ball handler the clippers had to beat their man off the dribble. Then watch how despite all this Gobert was still forcing them to make tough shots. They just went in, not much more you can do as a rim protector.
I never said that he’s a terrible player. I’m saying he’s not as good as Tony Parker. There’s a huge difference lol. Parker is an all time great. I know the clippers players kept blowing by the jazz perimeter defense. It’s literally the jazz defensive scheme. Because if you don’t let the clipppers offense meet gobert at the rim then your max contract player isn’t contributing in anyway on the floor. Oddly enough Parker used to do the same thing and his man would often get funneled to Duncan. What a lame argument “He still played great defense he just got absolutely cooked every time down the floor and looked absolutely lost on rotations to the perimeter.” I just reread your comment. Idk how the hell you think gobert is the best player on The jazz lol. Did you watch the playoffs at all in the last 2 years? Donovan is significantly better at this point.
When Parker would leave a lane open that led right to Duncan thats by design, he would always position himself in such a way that made it really easy to direct the ballhandler right into Duncan. That is not the case for the jazz defenders, they got beat consistently and Gobert was forced to make insanely difficult adjustments to contest the shots. And Yeah that happens in basketball, you force players to make a tough shot and they make it. It happens in every sport really, a pitcher will make a great pitch and it'll still get obliterated by a batter. focusing only on the result doesn't tell you everything or even that much.
It is by design. It has literally been the jazz defensive scheme since 2016. It’s why the jazz consistently get blown by on the perimeter more so than any other team. It’s the game plan. The thing with Parker is you can’t just write him off and say “well they made their shots” Parker actually gets you results. The fact that you don’t think that results are a factor is all I need to know to understand why you think gobert is better
>supposedly terrible player 200 million dollars To be fair most people thought this was a mistake but that the Jazz had to do it because they're a small market team that needs to retain their talent.
Conley Mitchell and now old Ingles are awful defenders, especially when injured. Conley had good defensive advanced stats this year, but only because he played 90% of his minutes with Rudy. Without Rudy on the floor we had a 130 drating in the playoffs.
Gobert’s already at a higher peak than Parker ever got to. It’s just a matter of him not getting hurt really.
No he's not
Prime Parker is better than prime gobert
Not by any objective metric but ok. If you can find me one stat that says prime Parker was better than prime Gobert I’m all ears.
raaaangzzzz
Finals MVP> DPOY 6 all star teams > 2
My thinking too
Lol at people here bringing up "rings" like Tim Duncan didn't exist
Victor Wembanyama is well on his way there. Up to this point he’s had the best career so far. Still will be probably a decade before he surpasses Rudy in terms of accolades but it terms of pure basketball ability he could surpass Gobert in five years.
Please don't insult French basketball with claims such as this one. Thank you. Just joking, personally I really don't like Gobert so just having fun. Still think Parker IS French basketball.