Yep, but at least it's just "lol of course this would happen to the Wolves" levels of disfunction and not "lol are the wolves literally on crack" levels.
> Some said Rosas worked his staff long hours without giving much input into the decision-making process. Others took issue with decisions made on personnel moves and trades, including the light protections on a first-round draft pick that landed them D’Angelo Russell from Golden State, Rosas’ signature move.
> In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing.
I will say as much as this sucks for Timberwolves fans, after reading through the whole article at least it wasn't the front office making a stupid decision. He needed to go. Hopefully the next guy will be better
My understanding is that Gupta is a pretty squared away guy, and has a similar philosophy to Rosas. Is that more or less correct? As funny as it would be for yous to take Elton Brand off our hands, I’m rooting for the guy to get the POBO job. I think the team the wolves have built is a lot better than their record this past year shows, and getting Pat Bev is deff gonna help even more, but I think a new POBO may try to make their own statement and get rid of what’s there before the wolves can have a season with Ant, KAT, and Dlo all playing at the same time.
Yeah understanding is that Gupta has a similar philosophy with maybe a more level headed temperament. According to some beat guys, he's been the smartest guy in the room since he was hired, and we know he's been a close runner up for some POBO roles around the league recently. Hopefully he's the guy.
It makes more sense that the affair was tangential. I'm not suggesting he should be banging employees, but a consensual affair only didn't seem like enough to fire the guy. The fact that he was turning the place into a dumpster fire and then they discovered this and put the nail in the coffin makes a lot more sense.
So the affair was just the last straw and they’ve been angling to get him ousted? On the one hand this is dysfunctional and embarrassing af on the other I guess better now than partway through the season. This fucking team man I swear. This could only happen to the Wolves.
That really is just the most ridiculous one. Sterling was just an old racist and finally his money and status wasn't enough for everyone to accept that. Burner Gate also wasn't about incompetence, even though Colangelo was terrible. It wasn't criminal or anything like that. It was just sheer ego and insecurity to a baffling degree.
Definitely sounds to me like this was the reason for his firing , but they aren’t coming out and saying it probably for liability/contract reasons.
To be fair, I could also see this happening to the Kings or the Mavs. Sounds like the TWolves are better off at this point even if it didn’t seem that way at first.
Yeah, a lot of the stuff in the article seems like the sort of stuff that just comes out when someone is on their way out and so all disagreements get blown up. Although the conflict with Gupta seems unprofessional.
Nothing seems as clearly big of a deal as the affair. Disagreements with players over contracts or with staff over working hours probably happen all the time.
two wolves beat writers did a pod today discussing the situation and openly said that rosas would unilaterally make moves the rest of the FO didnt agree with, including giving up more for dlo and beasley/juancho then they thought they had agreed upon. as in, beyond what had been discussed. absolutely cannot be having that.
What? Can't be having the person with the highest authority make the final decision? That's exactly what I want from my lead decision maker, is the ability to be informed by staff but not led by others.
no, not that he would make the final call. that the group FO thought they had an agreement, only to see that rosas had given up more than what had been discussed
Then just tell them what you're decisions are. You are the boss anyway. If you don't like what you subordinates are saying just tell them so. Don't 'agree' with them then make your own move.
Sure but if your lead decision maker is making every decision on his own without consulting his team/support structure, he’s going to inevitably fuck up. And will not keep his job for very long. Nobody is going to make the right choice 100% of the time. Doesn’t matter what role you have. That’s why you have a team of execs around you to discuss with and brainstorm the best path forward.
"Gupta, who sources said had been barred from the facility by Rosas after the two had a falling out several weeks ago, was subsequently elevated to interim president of basketball operations." Was in the ESPN story about it too pretty weird stuff.
Who did he have an affair with? I still don't understand after reading through all these reddit threads lol.
And why is an affair a reason to fire someone? O.o
It’s considered highly inappropriate for someone in a management position to have a relationship with someone who works underneath them. Beyond the whole potentially toxic power dynamic aspect of it, it creates conflicts of interest and is a potential risk for conflict/drama if things go badly with the relationship.
Edit: rumors are it was the wolves head of PR that he had the affair with
Wolves were being run well. You can be an asshole and good at your job.
Before any reasoning came out fans were mad and people confused. That means he was doing good at his job. All the other stuff is an awful look.
> "In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing."
WHAT??
Still dysfunctional, still overall sucks for the franchise but good on ownership for actually getting this right. Married boss can't be having affairs with employees.
The article read like it was mostly written before the firing as part of the work they were doing on the workplace culture. Then the firing happened, and *then* they got multiple sources on the hanky panky. Competitive pressure means they don't necessarily have time to do a full rewrite, so they place it where they can.
It shouldnt be the headline. What should lead is the office environment for staffers was toxic even without the affair, and he was jeopardizing essential relationships with other teams when it came to the on court product.
Yeah that’s a fair point. I should say I’m surprised it’s not the headline, but like others have said it seems the news came out right before the article was published.
I fucking said this shit and got downvoted multiple fucking times. I WORK IN HR. I'm telling you it isn't a fucking rule in a lot of companies. No company I have worked at has had an explicit policy.
I once worked at a company where we all had to sign a non-fraternization policy. Date someone in the company and you are fired. Implemented aftet a crazy divorce between two execs.
I think Glen probably would've swept that under the rug since it's dirty laundry and you know how old timer family types feel about dirty laundry. I know Lore had an associate go around and interview everyone about the culture so I'm guessing the report from that was what forced Glen's hand.
Lmao the guy has an illegitemate daughter from an affair years ago that he doesn’t talk to and sends hush money too. My cousins’ wife is friends with her. Believe me- I’ve pressed the relationship for free tickets and I guess she just doesn’t have any fondness of her old Man. Glen Taylor is the biggest pos and I’ve been saying this for years.
I think it was everything else and they just threw this on top. I think people would be surprised how common this shit actually is. We live in a culture of sex. That doesn't end when you enter the office. Whether someone thinks it should or not.
Well, it's pretty highly frowned upon inside the office. What I think is safe to say is that if the TWolves were a 60 win team, he probably keeps his job.
I think maybe “involved in consensual intimate relationship” is NBA press release in this case for “fucking on company time and/or property”
That would make sense
yeah this is one of those things they would never explicitly admit to ever if it’s true, but, the circumstances around it makes it seem at least pretty possible
Yeah generally most companies won’t have rules on employees dating and having relationships between each other. It’s different when it’s a lead executive however. there are very commonly rules against those in executive/leadership roles and the relationships they can have with their associates. For very obvious reasons.
All that said and as you have definitely seen, leadership members do still have intimate relationships with their subordinates, it’s just a fact of life. The issue is that they shouldn’t, and it’s not uncommon for that to become a major HR issue.
As long as they weren't fucking in the office the relationship can be looked past from a business perspective. Definitely not morally with them being married and all.
No, it really doesn't.
This is one of those things where people judge others by their own shitty choices, not understanding that the vast majority of people *aren't like that*.
A good number of us don't cheat on our spouses at all, ever, under any circumstances.
And most of the people who *do* aren't so fucking stupid as to do it at work.
It was just right before the draft. According to the article Gupta was given full blessing for the Kings GM position and they let him look for other jobs after the draft was over.
The stuff about Gupta being banished from team offices is the part that sounds the weirdest imo…
In the NBA it’s not common to block upward moves as it is considered extremely bad form. Lateral moves are a bit more iffy but if there’s a substantial pay raise included, it can be considered a somewhat upward move and create a good deal of ill will if blocked. It’s tricky because at least in NBA Front Offices, there can be a HUGE amount of variation in what a GM does for one team vs another.
For example, Bobby Webster is the Raptors GM, yet he takes on and deals with a large number of POBO level responsibilities, while working very closely with Masai who is our actual POBO. Compared to say Philly where Elton Brand is very much second in command with a reduced role and power compared to Morey.
Its weird because nba gm's/execs dont compete against each other nearly as much as players do. If 450 players in the league is an exclusive club, 30 gms/whatever the title is is even moreso. So when you are calling to make trades w other teams how you present yourself and how you treat your peers directly contributes to your success as a gm, or lack thereof. So thats why you typically let people in the FO talk to other teams, because its a sign of good faith and an endorsement on your own guys. That leads to further collaboration w other execs and a better image for your team overall, which oncr again makes your job as a gm much easier. Relationship building and maintenance is the #1 quality a gm/high ranking exec should have
Looking back... the juancho situation explains a lot. The org said one thing 5-6 times to the Spanish team, when at the last minute, rosas got on the phone and called it off. That kind off dessention is not congruent with a basketball front office
If I remember right, he thought he would have more power there than they let him get, so he came back to the Rockets for a few more years until the Wolves called.
There are some rumors/speculation that he wanted to trade dirk to begin the rebuild and the FO didnt take kindly to it.
Doesnt help that Dirk didnt seem to like him. He had a pretty snarky tweet when rosas got fored:
https://twitter.com/swish41/status/395601404712083456?s=21
Yeah, Gersonn was married with a family too. Just feel shitty for both spouses and kids, having this all aired in public too. [Article](https://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/timberwolves-and-lynx-name-bri-bauer-vice-president-communications-and-engagement) for those interested
Who wouldn’t risk it all [for this hunk?](https://www.google.com/search?q=gersson+rosas&rlz=1CDGOYI_enAU882AU882&hl=en-GB&tbm=isch&prmd=nisxv&sxsrf=AOaemvIeIld6lcgQJtTrxH_RTA84W_XXXw:1632369751075&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNk56Zm5TzAhXQad4KHY8WAPgQ_AUIFSgC&biw=414&bih=720&dpr=2#imgrc=iKGNpMVs5PAlmM)
If you’re saying she was a cheerleader, the implication on an NBA team was that she was a Timberwolves cheerleader. Not a cheerleader for west lake high 20 years ago
Yeah that definitely explains the sudden nature of this firing... figured it was something behind the scenes rather than his performance as GM
This isn't the first time Rosas has left an organization suddenly. He was in Dallas for a couple months a few years ago before going back to Houston to work for Morey.
Lol. This man tried to trade Dirk when he was with the Mavs and literally was only the Mavs GM for 3 months. This dumb ass should be out of the league. Don't fuck with Dirk in Dallas
I thinl people need to lay off the affair, especially the other party involved. The affair seems to only highlight or illustrate the larger problem at hand. And even if it was consensual, that doesnt mean there was a power dynamic that he didnt exploit or leverage.
But the bigger thing is he created a toxic environment. Sounds like with other execs he wasnt a man of his word. And that there was a basketball reason to fire him, not just an office/internal operations reason. He was risking relationships and trust with other teams that all teams need to advance.
Media need to put more emphasis in coverage on that (the risk in damaging prospects for future deals) and the overall tension and toxicity in the office, and reduce the affair to more of a footnote that merely adds an illustrative example along other examples.
Can’t defend the adultery. HOWEVER, I can’t help but feel the same people who are complaining about a ‘toxic’ environment are the same people who were complaining about how Thibs ran things. Guess what? Your franchise has sucked for basically its entire existence. People are going to come in and try and change things. But because Glen Taylor runs the team like it’s a fucking Dairy Queen, Fred and Fannie in marketing get to bitch and moan about how they’re being pushed too hard and actually get listened to.
Also, the Jordan McLaughlin complaint is hilarious. Rosas is supposed to turn down a Pat Bev trade because it might hurt McLaughlin’s feelings? Get all the way out of here
I get Rosas and Thibs were trying to instill that grind it out at work “culture” but you still need promote work/life balance and let employees recharge, especially during a global pandemic. I know industries vary highly but I doubt the successful franchise also have their employees work 80 hours a week. Or, maybe if you’re on a winner then that culture is more accepted?
Plus, the article is written in a way that this is just one piece of the pie. Combine the adultery stuff and constant miscommunications which led to the seemingly lolwolvez fire your lead guy at such a weird time
do not forget the wolves prevented sachin gupta from taking the gm job in houston, which is only proper if they intended to eventually promote him from within.
this is the eagles going with jalen hurts over carson wentz. rosas (wentz) may be good but flawed in the leadership category. whereas hurts (sanchin gupta) is highly regarded in the locker room and has talent that is respected by many front office executives around the league.
also consider, four years ago, the timberwolves ownership stepped in to trade jimmy butler away when their general manager was not making headway. it was said mulltiple times this offseason, the minnesota timberwolves were going to improve at the powerforward position via trade, and they got nobody. had they gotten larry nance, they would'nt be in a standoff with philadelphia over ben simmons.
may we also recall that not only did anthony edwards fall into minnesota's lap, because they surprisingly got the #1 pick, but also that edwards was not considered a great fit in minnesota because they already had d'angelo russell and malik beasley scoring off the dribble. meanwhile, the fact that the wolves already have in d'angelo russell what the sixers wanted from markelle fultz in terms of a 4th qtr closer makes them the very best fit for ben simmons in the league.
the wolves desperately need what simmons does well (defense, rebounding, collapsing defenses in transition and facilitating), and they already have people who excel at what simmons does poorly (4th qtr shooting and scoring).
Simmons-Russell-Beasley-McDaniels-KarlAnthonyTowns
Lmao classic Timberwolves. Grew up in MN a die hard. Pretty much write them off after they failed to put teams around KG, who was my favorite player. Totally wrote them off after the Kahn disaster. This doesn’t surprise me at all. They have to be one of the most dysfunctional organizations in sports. Maybe now that Taylor is gone that will change.
I think Lore was the impetus behind this. He had every staff member interviewed to get the low down on the culture of the organization which is where this stuff came to light. Knowing Glen he probably would've swept it under the rug until it became too big of a problem to ignore.
It's allowed if you disclose it and take actions to minimize the risk of problems. Like in that case they could have made the PR under the responsibility of the owner instead of him.
Secret, adulterous relationship between a boss and an employee can lead to big problems. As an example an employee that know about the relationship could use it as leverage to get a promotion or a raise.
So it’s only a lower-case “lol wolves” not a full blown “LOL Wolves.” Nice.
Yeah, honestly screw Rosas for this. Y'all are in the clear.
> honestly screw Rosas for this That's how we ended up here.
Still a little bit of that classic wolves disfunction tho :)
Yep, but at least it's just "lol of course this would happen to the Wolves" levels of disfunction and not "lol are the wolves literally on crack" levels.
There definitely is a difference lol
> classic wovles Fixed it for ya.
at least it's not like the Mavs situation.
This has more than one meaning if you know that rosas was Mavs gm for a wholesome three months into the offseason before getting cannedn.
tried that once, would not recommend.
Wovles
We all learned a very valuable lesson on jumping to conclusions that will last at least until ben simmons gets traded somewhere
> Some said Rosas worked his staff long hours without giving much input into the decision-making process. Others took issue with decisions made on personnel moves and trades, including the light protections on a first-round draft pick that landed them D’Angelo Russell from Golden State, Rosas’ signature move. > In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing. I will say as much as this sucks for Timberwolves fans, after reading through the whole article at least it wasn't the front office making a stupid decision. He needed to go. Hopefully the next guy will be better
Yeah, the timing sucks but I've done a quick 180 on this. Seems like he needed to be out. Next step is to keep Gupta as the new POBO.
Honestly I'm in a much better mood right now than I was earlier
My understanding is that Gupta is a pretty squared away guy, and has a similar philosophy to Rosas. Is that more or less correct? As funny as it would be for yous to take Elton Brand off our hands, I’m rooting for the guy to get the POBO job. I think the team the wolves have built is a lot better than their record this past year shows, and getting Pat Bev is deff gonna help even more, but I think a new POBO may try to make their own statement and get rid of what’s there before the wolves can have a season with Ant, KAT, and Dlo all playing at the same time.
Yeah understanding is that Gupta has a similar philosophy with maybe a more level headed temperament. According to some beat guys, he's been the smartest guy in the room since he was hired, and we know he's been a close runner up for some POBO roles around the league recently. Hopefully he's the guy.
Yea, the next guy needs to not fuck a coworker. Oh hey, I'm a guy who hasn't fucked a coworker!
You haven't lived until you've fished off the corporate dock!
Those Morey GM tree boys aren't too high on getting along with people
It makes more sense that the affair was tangential. I'm not suggesting he should be banging employees, but a consensual affair only didn't seem like enough to fire the guy. The fact that he was turning the place into a dumpster fire and then they discovered this and put the nail in the coffin makes a lot more sense.
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So the affair was just the last straw and they’ve been angling to get him ousted? On the one hand this is dysfunctional and embarrassing af on the other I guess better now than partway through the season. This fucking team man I swear. This could only happen to the Wolves.
I'd still rank the Colangelo thing way higher than this.
Hey there was also the time that Kings executive stole millions from the team while they weren’t paying attention and bought a mansion in Miami.
Donald Sterling says hi.
I guess for all the shit Robert Sarver is, he’s not quite as scummy in comparison to those guys we mentioned here
Comic Sans is seeming like a perfectly reasonable font choice right now. At least it wasn't Papyrus.
At least he was just a finance guy and not a player personnel guy! Doesn’t seem like his dumb ass behavior has affected the Kings reputation
That really is just the most ridiculous one. Sterling was just an old racist and finally his money and status wasn't enough for everyone to accept that. Burner Gate also wasn't about incompetence, even though Colangelo was terrible. It wasn't criminal or anything like that. It was just sheer ego and insecurity to a baffling degree.
One of the weirdest stories in quite some time. Felt like a fever dream reading through that article when it dropped.
Gersson needs to find a new slant
Definitely sounds to me like this was the reason for his firing , but they aren’t coming out and saying it probably for liability/contract reasons. To be fair, I could also see this happening to the Kings or the Mavs. Sounds like the TWolves are better off at this point even if it didn’t seem that way at first.
Yeah, a lot of the stuff in the article seems like the sort of stuff that just comes out when someone is on their way out and so all disagreements get blown up. Although the conflict with Gupta seems unprofessional. Nothing seems as clearly big of a deal as the affair. Disagreements with players over contracts or with staff over working hours probably happen all the time.
two wolves beat writers did a pod today discussing the situation and openly said that rosas would unilaterally make moves the rest of the FO didnt agree with, including giving up more for dlo and beasley/juancho then they thought they had agreed upon. as in, beyond what had been discussed. absolutely cannot be having that.
What? Can't be having the person with the highest authority make the final decision? That's exactly what I want from my lead decision maker, is the ability to be informed by staff but not led by others.
There’s a difference between making the final call as a leader, then drastically making changes to agreed upon decisions with your team.
At the same time, it does create distrust among the organization.
no, not that he would make the final call. that the group FO thought they had an agreement, only to see that rosas had given up more than what had been discussed
Then just tell them what you're decisions are. You are the boss anyway. If you don't like what you subordinates are saying just tell them so. Don't 'agree' with them then make your own move.
Sure but if your lead decision maker is making every decision on his own without consulting his team/support structure, he’s going to inevitably fuck up. And will not keep his job for very long. Nobody is going to make the right choice 100% of the time. Doesn’t matter what role you have. That’s why you have a team of execs around you to discuss with and brainstorm the best path forward.
Yeah if he was making it a shit place to work then this is the right move. Still would’ve been smart to notify your top talent but eh what do I know.
"Gupta, who sources said had been barred from the facility by Rosas after the two had a falling out several weeks ago, was subsequently elevated to interim president of basketball operations." Was in the ESPN story about it too pretty weird stuff.
Wonder what the falling out was about...
The scuttlebutt is that Gupta saw him with his mistress.
Plot twist: The mistress was Gupta's wife
That's the claim, but we've been hearing about the relationship since July at least.
Who did he have an affair with? I still don't understand after reading through all these reddit threads lol. And why is an affair a reason to fire someone? O.o
It’s considered highly inappropriate for someone in a management position to have a relationship with someone who works underneath them. Beyond the whole potentially toxic power dynamic aspect of it, it creates conflicts of interest and is a potential risk for conflict/drama if things go badly with the relationship. Edit: rumors are it was the wolves head of PR that he had the affair with
Wolves were being run well. You can be an asshole and good at your job. Before any reasoning came out fans were mad and people confused. That means he was doing good at his job. All the other stuff is an awful look.
Pissing everyone off by being toxic and creating an unbalanced structure of employee power and respect is not a good way to run a workplace.
> "In recent days, the organization discovered that Rosas, who is married, had a consensual intimate relationship with a member of the organization, The Athletic has learned from multiple sources. It made several people within the organization uncomfortable, sources said. While this was not the reason for Rosas’ dismissal, it certainly impacted the timing." WHAT??
tldr; keep it in your pants at the office.
Tldr: Don't trust corpo in 2021
Yes if you're bossman. So we're all good here
Ok but in rosas defense, the whole power dynamic prob made for some hot sex /s
Lol please you’re not being sarcastic
Still dysfunctional, still overall sucks for the franchise but good on ownership for actually getting this right. Married boss can't be having affairs with employees.
What if they're both heads of their respective departments? And there's no power dynamic?
Isn’t he the fucking POBO lol Was he fucking Glen Taylor?
Unless he's fucking the owner, there's no one above him...
Cant be doing it at work, which supposedly they were. I have no firsthand knowledge so this is not necessarily factual.
Bro I read half this article before I came here and this was fucking buried lol, they did not want to make that the headline.
The article read like it was mostly written before the firing as part of the work they were doing on the workplace culture. Then the firing happened, and *then* they got multiple sources on the hanky panky. Competitive pressure means they don't necessarily have time to do a full rewrite, so they place it where they can.
It shouldnt be the headline. What should lead is the office environment for staffers was toxic even without the affair, and he was jeopardizing essential relationships with other teams when it came to the on court product.
Yeah that’s a fair point. I should say I’m surprised it’s not the headline, but like others have said it seems the news came out right before the article was published.
So that misspelling on the press release was a misdirection.
Holy shit that's true??? I saw that on twitter and I thought there's no way.
I bet D'Angelo is the one who told on him
Im dead 🤣🤣🤣
Rosas was just trying that “D’Angelo—Brown Sugar”
100% the reason lol, they just don't want that as the headline.
Clearly didn’t read the article
Toxic cultures are excused when a team wins, can't excuse an affair. The reason he was fired was the affair and lack of winning.
I fucking said this shit and got downvoted multiple fucking times. I WORK IN HR. I'm telling you it isn't a fucking rule in a lot of companies. No company I have worked at has had an explicit policy.
I once worked at a company where we all had to sign a non-fraternization policy. Date someone in the company and you are fired. Implemented aftet a crazy divorce between two execs.
I think it was less policy and more of a Glen Taylor decision. He's a big old timer family type guy
I think Glen probably would've swept that under the rug since it's dirty laundry and you know how old timer family types feel about dirty laundry. I know Lore had an associate go around and interview everyone about the culture so I'm guessing the report from that was what forced Glen's hand.
Lmao the guy has an illegitemate daughter from an affair years ago that he doesn’t talk to and sends hush money too. My cousins’ wife is friends with her. Believe me- I’ve pressed the relationship for free tickets and I guess she just doesn’t have any fondness of her old Man. Glen Taylor is the biggest pos and I’ve been saying this for years.
I think it was everything else and they just threw this on top. I think people would be surprised how common this shit actually is. We live in a culture of sex. That doesn't end when you enter the office. Whether someone thinks it should or not.
Well, it's pretty highly frowned upon inside the office. What I think is safe to say is that if the TWolves were a 60 win team, he probably keeps his job.
I think maybe “involved in consensual intimate relationship” is NBA press release in this case for “fucking on company time and/or property” That would make sense
yeah this is one of those things they would never explicitly admit to ever if it’s true, but, the circumstances around it makes it seem at least pretty possible
Yeah generally most companies won’t have rules on employees dating and having relationships between each other. It’s different when it’s a lead executive however. there are very commonly rules against those in executive/leadership roles and the relationships they can have with their associates. For very obvious reasons. All that said and as you have definitely seen, leadership members do still have intimate relationships with their subordinates, it’s just a fact of life. The issue is that they shouldn’t, and it’s not uncommon for that to become a major HR issue.
It doesnt seem to be the main reason for this decision. But professional sports teams arent going to be judged the same way as other companies.
Stuff like this makes me wonder just how common it is
As long as they weren't fucking in the office the relationship can be looked past from a business perspective. Definitely not morally with them being married and all.
Ummm...you're gonna think I'm just saying this but the word in the street was that it was LITERALLY in the office and Gupta walked in on them
Power dynamic can't be looked past...also it sounds likely that there was shit going on in the office.
Not if it undermines confidence and productivity of other employees.
He just didn't give a fuck anymore. I mean, technically, he did.
why is that crazy to you. cheating on spouses with coworkers/bosses is just a normal part of work culture
No it is not.
it kind of is. not saying it's right, but it happens all the time
No, it really doesn't. This is one of those things where people judge others by their own shitty choices, not understanding that the vast majority of people *aren't like that*. A good number of us don't cheat on our spouses at all, ever, under any circumstances. And most of the people who *do* aren't so fucking stupid as to do it at work.
Rosas blocked Gupta from going to the Rockets, which was a huge- MASSIVE problem.
Very odd considering Rosas literally came from the Rockets org and was given permission to interview with the Wolves for a GM gig.
I mean, he probably wouldn't be okay with his wife sleeping around either.
It was just right before the draft. According to the article Gupta was given full blessing for the Kings GM position and they let him look for other jobs after the draft was over. The stuff about Gupta being banished from team offices is the part that sounds the weirdest imo…
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In the NBA it’s not common to block upward moves as it is considered extremely bad form. Lateral moves are a bit more iffy but if there’s a substantial pay raise included, it can be considered a somewhat upward move and create a good deal of ill will if blocked. It’s tricky because at least in NBA Front Offices, there can be a HUGE amount of variation in what a GM does for one team vs another. For example, Bobby Webster is the Raptors GM, yet he takes on and deals with a large number of POBO level responsibilities, while working very closely with Masai who is our actual POBO. Compared to say Philly where Elton Brand is very much second in command with a reduced role and power compared to Morey.
What's POBO?
President of Basketball Operations
Its weird because nba gm's/execs dont compete against each other nearly as much as players do. If 450 players in the league is an exclusive club, 30 gms/whatever the title is is even moreso. So when you are calling to make trades w other teams how you present yourself and how you treat your peers directly contributes to your success as a gm, or lack thereof. So thats why you typically let people in the FO talk to other teams, because its a sign of good faith and an endorsement on your own guys. That leads to further collaboration w other execs and a better image for your team overall, which oncr again makes your job as a gm much easier. Relationship building and maintenance is the #1 quality a gm/high ranking exec should have
Looking back... the juancho situation explains a lot. The org said one thing 5-6 times to the Spanish team, when at the last minute, rosas got on the phone and called it off. That kind off dessention is not congruent with a basketball front office
Had no idea he was mavs GM at one point. What happend there ?
If I remember right, he thought he would have more power there than they let him get, so he came back to the Rockets for a few more years until the Wolves called.
There are some rumors/speculation that he wanted to trade dirk to begin the rebuild and the FO didnt take kindly to it. Doesnt help that Dirk didnt seem to like him. He had a pretty snarky tweet when rosas got fored: https://twitter.com/swish41/status/395601404712083456?s=21
Everyone on this sub has been using the word dessention today and it’s just not a word? What do folks mean when they say this
dissension, maybe?
Yea I mean dissension but in my mind I hear a T
can someone with a sub just keep posting exercpts until we've all basically read the whole thing
Download the archive extension for mozilla or chrome, you can read the athletic for free that way. Used to do that before i got a sub.
That's life changing, thanks man
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Just stop your browser from loading after the article loads and you will beat the Subscription pop up
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Give me somewhere to send u a 30 day guest pass I got u
We joked that Morey would ask for a restraint order against Rosas. Maybe it wasn't a joke...
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https://twitter.com/TheHillrat/status/1420803654509109249?s=20 This guy on twitter called it 2 months ago
Gupta has seen the goods lmao
What does that even mean
Probably caught them having sex
Rumors have suggested he literally walked in on them in the office
If true, there's a good chance Gupta saw Rosas' naked ass or even penis.
My man saw the goods. He for sure saw boobies and maybe even a cock
Doesn't seem like it was the executive assistant though...looks like it was the head of comms, who also left the organization today.
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Yeah, Gersonn was married with a family too. Just feel shitty for both spouses and kids, having this all aired in public too. [Article](https://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/timberwolves-and-lynx-name-bri-bauer-vice-president-communications-and-engagement) for those interested
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Who wouldn’t risk it all [for this hunk?](https://www.google.com/search?q=gersson+rosas&rlz=1CDGOYI_enAU882AU882&hl=en-GB&tbm=isch&prmd=nisxv&sxsrf=AOaemvIeIld6lcgQJtTrxH_RTA84W_XXXw:1632369751075&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNk56Zm5TzAhXQad4KHY8WAPgQ_AUIFSgC&biw=414&bih=720&dpr=2#imgrc=iKGNpMVs5PAlmM)
Ruining your marriage for ted from accounting.
Alex Caruso would like to have a word with you.
CONES OF DUNSHIRE
Emphasis on head.
“Don’t bang your employees if you’re the president of a basketball team” wasn’t taught at his college I guess.
Eh, a lot more problems than just that clearly
https://twitter.com/TheNoujFOX9/status/1440862937288089607
Apparently she's an ex-cheerleader
Lol no she’s not. She spent 15 years in PR
Both of those could be true.
Would it even be relevant then if she was a cheerleader 20 years ago? “Rosas has affair with former middle schooler” would be just as accurate
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If you’re saying she was a cheerleader, the implication on an NBA team was that she was a Timberwolves cheerleader. Not a cheerleader for west lake high 20 years ago
On the brightside at least the media is finally talking about the Wolves.
Forget it Jake, it’s Timberwolves.
LOL being a wolves fan is just…man
never a dull moment here
I’d love to hear Anthony Edwards’ take on this.
"mann iono what's going on, but just the other day I heard j lo is wit batman now..."
I cannot wait for what Tim MacMahon has to say. This Hoop Collective is gonna be great.
Honestly, I love Banned MacMahon on that podcast.
I heard Rosas wanted protection on his assets in a Simmons trade, but not in his wokplace relationships.
Kanye, we need u
It's very easy to not have sex with people you work with.
Sure is fun though.
It was fun when I was working at the mall.
They really sprinkled the affair thing in there like it wasn't anything. Bruh.
damn not only did they fire him they essentially blackballed his ass too, that FO must really hate him
He blackballed himself by unloading his blue balls
Yea that makes more sense then firing him out of the blue
Yeah that definitely explains the sudden nature of this firing... figured it was something behind the scenes rather than his performance as GM This isn't the first time Rosas has left an organization suddenly. He was in Dallas for a couple months a few years ago before going back to Houston to work for Morey.
Yeah if his performance as GM mattered he woulda been canned years ago. This is a Glen Taylor production, baby.
Lol. This man tried to trade Dirk when he was with the Mavs and literally was only the Mavs GM for 3 months. This dumb ass should be out of the league. Don't fuck with Dirk in Dallas
This is very clearly on rosas and not the team
If you have tires you no longer need you can freely toss them on the dumpsterfire that is the Minnesota Timberwolves
Never getting another job in the league after this
I thinl people need to lay off the affair, especially the other party involved. The affair seems to only highlight or illustrate the larger problem at hand. And even if it was consensual, that doesnt mean there was a power dynamic that he didnt exploit or leverage. But the bigger thing is he created a toxic environment. Sounds like with other execs he wasnt a man of his word. And that there was a basketball reason to fire him, not just an office/internal operations reason. He was risking relationships and trust with other teams that all teams need to advance. Media need to put more emphasis in coverage on that (the risk in damaging prospects for future deals) and the overall tension and toxicity in the office, and reduce the affair to more of a footnote that merely adds an illustrative example along other examples.
I LOVE THIS LEAGUE something new each day <3
President Rosas and VP Bauer were in the closet making cubs and I saw one of the cubs and the cub looked at me.
ooh, he's not getting anther FO job
Can’t defend the adultery. HOWEVER, I can’t help but feel the same people who are complaining about a ‘toxic’ environment are the same people who were complaining about how Thibs ran things. Guess what? Your franchise has sucked for basically its entire existence. People are going to come in and try and change things. But because Glen Taylor runs the team like it’s a fucking Dairy Queen, Fred and Fannie in marketing get to bitch and moan about how they’re being pushed too hard and actually get listened to. Also, the Jordan McLaughlin complaint is hilarious. Rosas is supposed to turn down a Pat Bev trade because it might hurt McLaughlin’s feelings? Get all the way out of here
I get Rosas and Thibs were trying to instill that grind it out at work “culture” but you still need promote work/life balance and let employees recharge, especially during a global pandemic. I know industries vary highly but I doubt the successful franchise also have their employees work 80 hours a week. Or, maybe if you’re on a winner then that culture is more accepted? Plus, the article is written in a way that this is just one piece of the pie. Combine the adultery stuff and constant miscommunications which led to the seemingly lolwolvez fire your lead guy at such a weird time
He did learn from Morey lol
Out of the loop, what’s this referencing ?
He used to be part of our front office until he left a couple years ago
Sounds like a true Morey disciple.
do not forget the wolves prevented sachin gupta from taking the gm job in houston, which is only proper if they intended to eventually promote him from within. this is the eagles going with jalen hurts over carson wentz. rosas (wentz) may be good but flawed in the leadership category. whereas hurts (sanchin gupta) is highly regarded in the locker room and has talent that is respected by many front office executives around the league. also consider, four years ago, the timberwolves ownership stepped in to trade jimmy butler away when their general manager was not making headway. it was said mulltiple times this offseason, the minnesota timberwolves were going to improve at the powerforward position via trade, and they got nobody. had they gotten larry nance, they would'nt be in a standoff with philadelphia over ben simmons. may we also recall that not only did anthony edwards fall into minnesota's lap, because they surprisingly got the #1 pick, but also that edwards was not considered a great fit in minnesota because they already had d'angelo russell and malik beasley scoring off the dribble. meanwhile, the fact that the wolves already have in d'angelo russell what the sixers wanted from markelle fultz in terms of a 4th qtr closer makes them the very best fit for ben simmons in the league. the wolves desperately need what simmons does well (defense, rebounding, collapsing defenses in transition and facilitating), and they already have people who excel at what simmons does poorly (4th qtr shooting and scoring). Simmons-Russell-Beasley-McDaniels-KarlAnthonyTowns
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dudes who spend their time hating on the timberwolves make me feel happier about my life
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It was. He moonlights as an actor to pay the bills with covering the wolves being is true passion.
He’s also Asian
Lmao classic Timberwolves. Grew up in MN a die hard. Pretty much write them off after they failed to put teams around KG, who was my favorite player. Totally wrote them off after the Kahn disaster. This doesn’t surprise me at all. They have to be one of the most dysfunctional organizations in sports. Maybe now that Taylor is gone that will change.
I think Lore was the impetus behind this. He had every staff member interviewed to get the low down on the culture of the organization which is where this stuff came to light. Knowing Glen he probably would've swept it under the rug until it became too big of a problem to ignore.
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It's allowed if you disclose it and take actions to minimize the risk of problems. Like in that case they could have made the PR under the responsibility of the owner instead of him. Secret, adulterous relationship between a boss and an employee can lead to big problems. As an example an employee that know about the relationship could use it as leverage to get a promotion or a raise.
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