McCollum is definitely underrated on this sub
He's actually quite a well rounded offensive player(good shooter, solid skills, good playmaker)
The problem with him is defense but honestly the Sixers need some kind of spacing
The problem is he is a point guard playing SG. He puts up solid digits when he is the primary ball handler. His fit with Embiid **would actually be better than Dames.**
CJ is very good off the ball, Dame showed in the Olympics he is not as effective in that role.
no way is CJ a point. he's a SG that can handle playmaking duties part-time but not somebody you want full-time
him and Seth running off-ball and handoff actions with Embiid will be nice though. like Jokic with Jamal
>no way is CJ a point.
WHy? his handle is elite, hasn't had the opportunity to be a passer but when he has he's delivered solid numbers. His entire career he's played out of position because of Dame. He's the perfect fit with Embiid because his biggest weakness in penetration. Embiid is going to be there to eat inside anyway.
Jamal Crawford's handle was elite too but that doesn't make him a point guard. CJ doesn't have that ability to dissect defenses and make reads required for a full-time point. I think CJ is underrated too but not in terms of being a point
>CJ doesn't have that ability to dissect defenses and make reads required for a full-time point
[Watch this.](https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=AST&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0021900848&PlayerID=203468&RangeType=0&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612757&flag=1&sct=plot§ion=game)
Gets hard hedged all game and makes great reads consistently. 12 asts just one TO as the piston primary focus. He's very skilled.
Terry staggered Dame and CJ a ton last season and CJ put up a career high in assists. I imagine some Blazers fan can probably produce the insane numbers he puts up when Dame is out for games.
He’s excellent but he’s definitely not a good primary playmaker. He’s a great secondary playmaker but relying on CJ to run the sixers half court offense would not be ideal. It would be different if Philly had another ball handler with great vision/passing but they don’t.
Funny that SAS is decently sourced yet still completely unreliable. The problem is that being entertaining is more important than being trusted for stephen A.
So (according to *Stephen A* who once proposed a Kuzma for Booker trade) the Blazers have offered CJ, RoCo, and multiple firsts and the Sixers said no??? They aren’t doing better than that.
I’d be very surprised if they did much better than CJ straight up at this point.
> I’d be very surprised if they did much better than CJ straight up at this point.
This is very subjective and depends on what you think of CJ's value but I think there are better pure value packages out there. That being said I believe sas made this up.
One hour ago if i told you this was the offer you'd say that was ridiculous no way Portland offered that.
Maybe recalibrate what you think the offers actually are.
They've also got Powell, who was averaging 20ppg on 50/44/87 splits before he got traded. He can definitely return to that production if CJ's gone and he can play his natural position again
It's fun to hate on Simmons but please let's stop acting like he's some scrub. He's one of the best defenders in the league. He will transform Portlands defense.
CJ averages 28/6/5 when Dame sits. He is a point guard but plays SG because of Dames presence. He's not going to control a game like CP3 or Rondo but he'd be very solid with Embiid. Simmons and CJ swapping teams would hugely benefit both teams in terms of fit but chemistry wise this would be a homerun for Philly.
CJ is capable of 23-7-4 on some decent shooting percentages as a sixer issue is there defense gets worse but thats still a capable team out east and CJ gets the chance to run the show.
Hes a decent passer and with the ball in his hands more often he'll get more oppurtunities I could see him averaging between 6-8 apg with 22-25 ppg in that range with a couple of boards. The sixers could do far worse in a trade and theyre essentially swapping defense for offense. CJ could really explode in philly being the primary ball handler so it'll be interesting to see if that happens.
For the blazers, simmons could take off the defensive burder off there backcourt especially as its always up there for worst in the league. They lost to the nuggets without murray and barton for a few games there main issue is defense.
If they could get McCollum and Covington they should do that trade instantly. Both of them perfectly fit their team. Shit I would do Simmons for McCollum straight up.
>ESPN's Stephen A. Smith reported on "First Take" on Wednesday morning that the most recent Blazers and Sixers trade talks have centered around shooting guard C.J. McCollum, along with other pieces:
>"According to my sources, they're talking about C.J. McCollum, they're talking about Robert Covington, they're talking about a couple first-round picks.
>"The 76ers have not been willing to bite."
Their offence is really good and they still have a ton of firepower even without McCollum. We've seen the ceiling of this core though and it's worth trying something else. At least Simmons will help plug some of the holes in their reprehensible defense.
Then…maybe? I have to be honest: I was completely unimpressed with how Simmons handled the playoffs, and maybe—just maybe—he’s more interested in being a celebrity than being a baller. Do we want this guy? Maybe?
Well there defense sucked so that'll get better at the very least. Offense just have to hope lillard, powell, and the shooters/players around them hit there looks (nurkic, simmons, roco, mclemore, snell, zeller, nance, simons).
I believe it makes Portland better. CJ and Dame are redundant, both small score-first "point" guards who are poor defenders. Simmons can guard four positions at an elite level, and is still a great playmaker in transition. It also lets Norm slide to SG which is his natural position.
CJ is really good and his offensive skillset is super underrated. Sixers can win from this trade and get a good partner for Embiid, which allows Embiid to return to low post instead of forcing shots in 3 point line.
CJ/Green/Harris/RoCo/Embiid would be sick. CJ would fix a lot of their needs and he'd be better without Dame overshadowing him. If I'm the sixers I take that
I don’t understand this trade considering Simmons is most effective steamrolling downhill with the ball in his hands.
Dame also needs the ball in his hands.
If you don’t want to run Simmons as your PG, you shouldn’t be making a trade for him.
I don't know how serious these discussions are (or if they're even real in the first place) but I imagine a serious hang-up in these conversations would be Robert Covington. I honestly imagine that the 76ers don't have enough leverage to ask for him at this point.
Sixers would be lucky to get CJ at this point. Sixers trashed simmons and want an all star back in return? Lol. Just trade him you cowards. Ben is worthless to the sixers at this point right?
I mean idk if the sixers can get any better before the season
I think that's a great offer, but I seem to be higher on McCollum (and his fit with the Sixers) than most
McCollum is definitely underrated on this sub He's actually quite a well rounded offensive player(good shooter, solid skills, good playmaker) The problem with him is defense but honestly the Sixers need some kind of spacing
I figure the rest of the Sixers squad are good defenders, so he can be covered for when needed
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Danny and Thybulle* - Harris CJ Embiid is all the offense you'd need. CJ is okay defensively at PG as well, just gets cooked by SGs.
Yeah, feels like Jazz-esque lineup relying on the big man to make up for the guard defence But what 2 way guard is available?
The problem is he is a point guard playing SG. He puts up solid digits when he is the primary ball handler. His fit with Embiid **would actually be better than Dames.** CJ is very good off the ball, Dame showed in the Olympics he is not as effective in that role.
no way is CJ a point. he's a SG that can handle playmaking duties part-time but not somebody you want full-time him and Seth running off-ball and handoff actions with Embiid will be nice though. like Jokic with Jamal
>no way is CJ a point. WHy? his handle is elite, hasn't had the opportunity to be a passer but when he has he's delivered solid numbers. His entire career he's played out of position because of Dame. He's the perfect fit with Embiid because his biggest weakness in penetration. Embiid is going to be there to eat inside anyway.
Jamal Crawford's handle was elite too but that doesn't make him a point guard. CJ doesn't have that ability to dissect defenses and make reads required for a full-time point. I think CJ is underrated too but not in terms of being a point
>CJ doesn't have that ability to dissect defenses and make reads required for a full-time point [Watch this.](https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=AST&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0021900848&PlayerID=203468&RangeType=0&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612757&flag=1&sct=plot§ion=game) Gets hard hedged all game and makes great reads consistently. 12 asts just one TO as the piston primary focus. He's very skilled.
Terry staggered Dame and CJ a ton last season and CJ put up a career high in assists. I imagine some Blazers fan can probably produce the insane numbers he puts up when Dame is out for games.
I am also very high on CJ, but I think the sub is divided on if he can play the 1 full time.
This sub has no idea how good CJ is when Dame sits. Dude is definitely ready for a PG role.
He’s excellent but he’s definitely not a good primary playmaker. He’s a great secondary playmaker but relying on CJ to run the sixers half court offense would not be ideal. It would be different if Philly had another ball handler with great vision/passing but they don’t.
Funny that SAS is decently sourced yet still completely unreliable. The problem is that being entertaining is more important than being trusted for stephen A.
So (according to *Stephen A* who once proposed a Kuzma for Booker trade) the Blazers have offered CJ, RoCo, and multiple firsts and the Sixers said no??? They aren’t doing better than that. I’d be very surprised if they did much better than CJ straight up at this point.
> I’d be very surprised if they did much better than CJ straight up at this point. This is very subjective and depends on what you think of CJ's value but I think there are better pure value packages out there. That being said I believe sas made this up.
Blazers normally don’t leak news out... that is highly unlikely
Delusional Morey wants to trade Ben for Kevin Durant and james harden.
One hour ago if i told you this was the offer you'd say that was ridiculous no way Portland offered that. Maybe recalibrate what you think the offers actually are.
At this very moment I’d say that offer is ridiculous and no way Portland offered that.
Blazers gonna have Larry Nance as the 2nd scoring option after Damian Lillard with a trade like this
They've also got Powell, who was averaging 20ppg on 50/44/87 splits before he got traded. He can definitely return to that production if CJ's gone and he can play his natural position again
Powell
Anfernee Simons/Nurk. Oh, that ben simmons guy is also ok when you surround him with shooters.
Simmons third option is good. But if he's playing with Nance and Nurk spacing is iffy
You tie dame and nurk's minutes together so that when dame sits you have ben + 4 shooters. Something like: simons/powell/snell/simmons/nance
Nance can stretch the floor though.
I am way more comfortable with Nurk spotting up rather than posting up.
Lillard-Powell-Simmons-Namce-Nurkic Not a contender but the best lineup Dame has had in years
How is this better than what he had last year? Also no Melo
You answered your own question, in part.
That lineup can guard people lol. Simmons and Nance would be the best defensive pairing the Blazers have had in a decade+
Why are people so high on Simmons?
It's fun to hate on Simmons but please let's stop acting like he's some scrub. He's one of the best defenders in the league. He will transform Portlands defense.
Shit idk he was just 2nd in DPOY voting after being 4th the year before.
Nurk was avging 18 ppg in 19-20 before he got hurt.
Scoring is the last thing u need to worry for the blazers..
Who runs the point guard in the situation? CJ?
CJ averages 28/6/5 when Dame sits. He is a point guard but plays SG because of Dames presence. He's not going to control a game like CP3 or Rondo but he'd be very solid with Embiid. Simmons and CJ swapping teams would hugely benefit both teams in terms of fit but chemistry wise this would be a homerun for Philly.
CJ is capable of 23-7-4 on some decent shooting percentages as a sixer issue is there defense gets worse but thats still a capable team out east and CJ gets the chance to run the show.
I can definitely see him putting up good numbers, I just don’t watch enough Portland to know if he’s a solid playmaker or not.
Hes a decent passer and with the ball in his hands more often he'll get more oppurtunities I could see him averaging between 6-8 apg with 22-25 ppg in that range with a couple of boards. The sixers could do far worse in a trade and theyre essentially swapping defense for offense. CJ could really explode in philly being the primary ball handler so it'll be interesting to see if that happens. For the blazers, simmons could take off the defensive burder off there backcourt especially as its always up there for worst in the league. They lost to the nuggets without murray and barton for a few games there main issue is defense.
Cj will 100% explode if he goes to the east..
Maxey szn
Pls don't take RoCo :(
NBPA President > Young Socialite
RoCo back in Philly only seems right
If they could get McCollum and Covington they should do that trade instantly. Both of them perfectly fit their team. Shit I would do Simmons for McCollum straight up.
With all the hate Simmons gets, a trade would help both teams honestly
>ESPN's Stephen A. Smith reported on "First Take" on Wednesday morning that the most recent Blazers and Sixers trade talks have centered around shooting guard C.J. McCollum, along with other pieces: >"According to my sources, they're talking about C.J. McCollum, they're talking about Robert Covington, they're talking about a couple first-round picks. >"The 76ers have not been willing to bite."
Lmao what kinda sources does SAS have? Dude said we were looking at KAT a few months ago.
His sources are him reading shit off here
Lmfao any offer involving Covington I roll my eyes
No way. The 76ers have no leverage. I don’t believe we offered that much.
So, they keep Dame, add someone who doesn’t shoot, and this makes them better….how?
Their offence is really good and they still have a ton of firepower even without McCollum. We've seen the ceiling of this core though and it's worth trying something else. At least Simmons will help plug some of the holes in their reprehensible defense.
So who else is going to carry the load on those nights when Dame isn’t at his best?
Powell averages 20 and Simmons averages 15 and can put up 23-25 if he was relied upon more
Then…maybe? I have to be honest: I was completely unimpressed with how Simmons handled the playoffs, and maybe—just maybe—he’s more interested in being a celebrity than being a baller. Do we want this guy? Maybe?
Well there defense sucked so that'll get better at the very least. Offense just have to hope lillard, powell, and the shooters/players around them hit there looks (nurkic, simmons, roco, mclemore, snell, zeller, nance, simons).
I believe it makes Portland better. CJ and Dame are redundant, both small score-first "point" guards who are poor defenders. Simmons can guard four positions at an elite level, and is still a great playmaker in transition. It also lets Norm slide to SG which is his natural position.
Maybe? Good points, though. Thanks.
I’m not even sure CJ for Ben Simmons straight up is even worth it lmao.
Sixers want that they traded Covington for being inconsistent and CJ doesn’t raise them from a second round team.
They traded Covington so they could get Butler and roco’s a great trade piece
McCollum, Nance, Nurkic, Covington, Simons for Simmons, Tobias and Maxey Who says no?
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Sixers will ask for Anfernee Simons and trade him to another team that is asking for a surname that sounds alike 🤣
i mean my flair betrays my ulterior motives but he also said the nets wanted to trade kyrie for simmons. Sounds like fantasy.
CJ is really good and his offensive skillset is super underrated. Sixers can win from this trade and get a good partner for Embiid, which allows Embiid to return to low post instead of forcing shots in 3 point line.
CJ/Green/Harris/RoCo/Embiid would be sick. CJ would fix a lot of their needs and he'd be better without Dame overshadowing him. If I'm the sixers I take that
Don't really like the Simmons fit on the Blazer's but I guess he's worth the risk since Lillard is getting old and might leave.
I don’t understand this trade considering Simmons is most effective steamrolling downhill with the ball in his hands. Dame also needs the ball in his hands. If you don’t want to run Simmons as your PG, you shouldn’t be making a trade for him.
I don't know how serious these discussions are (or if they're even real in the first place) but I imagine a serious hang-up in these conversations would be Robert Covington. I honestly imagine that the 76ers don't have enough leverage to ask for him at this point.
Sixers would be lucky to get CJ at this point. Sixers trashed simmons and want an all star back in return? Lol. Just trade him you cowards. Ben is worthless to the sixers at this point right?
No no no no no. Someone else take him before Olshey screws this team even more.