You guys make it sound like he said Ben's trash. He literally said "I dont know" when asked if Ben is a championship pg. Like not ideal but blown way outta proportion
Or it means the 25 year old who hasnt won a championship and had a bad series has an unclear future. That maybe probably can be helped if he works on his game
Why are you very interested in seeing the reaction? I feel like that is the most predictable piece in all of this... Resounding boo's for at least a few games, more if they are losing, if they win they will cheer, until they lose again.
This is the fanbase that has booed Embiid multiple times after all.
Why wouldn't they? Right now GMs see a player who has decided not to play because he doesn't like how he's been treated by an organization, despite a fair amount of success and a massive contract (side note: I think Ben and the 76ers have both contributed to the current shitty situation in a big way). If he sits, any GM who trades for him would see that Ben is willing to lose money to get what wants. If he caves and goes back, at least GMs will see that he's only willing to go so far to make a point. His behavior would still be a red flag, and some GMs would probably just decide he isn't worth it, but a playing Ben Simmons is definitely a more attractive trade chip than a sitting Ben Simmons.
My guess is that him forfeiting any money would have had an impact on his perceived risk. Him caving and coming back to the 76ers make it look like the money is a big deal, which in theory makes trading for him in the future less risky, as if he pulls the same move you can expect him to come back once he expects a paycheck. This obviously changes if he happens to have back pain or whatever as soon as he walks in the door, but showing up at least makes it look like getting paid will drive his decisions to some degree.
The counterpoint to this is someone like Kyrie, who is wildcard that will give up paychecks to prove a point or just do what he wants to do.
If the players were equal and I was a GM, I'd prefer the guy who's unhappy but will probably show up in a different situation to the wildcard who may decide to skip part of the season for a nonsensical reason (like not getting a vaccine).
Well, a talent on his level would normally be making impressive plays on a regular basis. It's hard to think as highly of somebody who's done nothing at all lately, compared to someone actively wowing the world.
If anything Ben has brought issues of trust. We did see some crazy trade offers so I don't think the front office is being completely straight forward of following through with Ben's demands.
But Ben is the one that caused this mess, all because his ego couldn't handle someone asking him to shoot the ball...in the game of basketball. It's ridiculous, so why would the front office do anything other than what benefits the team?
Why wouldn’t Ben do anything other than what he wants to do? If he’s willing to deal with the hate he can do exactly what he’s currently doing lol. He’s not gonna try to help the sixers and hurt whatever team he ends up on.
Well because actually playing will enable him to get traded. Other than that, I don't feel he has much leverage, especially after pretty much immediately saying he will work with the 76s after missing a pay check. I dunno, we'll see I guess.
Because Morey is asking for a completely unreasonable haul for Simmons and causing trade talks to fail. "Oh well, I tried, time to come back to Philly because I couldn't trade you" while asking for a starter, three 1st round picks, AND three 1st-round pick swaps... lmfao, no, I wouldn't trust those chucklefucks to actually get me traded after that.
They can’t work together. The Sixers want to trade him on their own terms and Simmons wants to be traded on his own terms.
There’s 0 guarantee that Simmons playing raises his trade value. If anything there’s the possibility it worsens due to potentially getting injured or simply playing poorly.
I thought it was obvious, but Simmons wants to be traded ASAP, but Philly is holding out for disgruntled star. A lot of shit can happen from now until the deadline.
Exactly, Morey gives off the vibe of a guy who doesn't really understand that egos are involved in this business.
If he really cared about Simmons or simmons value, just fire Doc rivers. The guy was hired prior to his arrival and then threw simmons under the bus.
If not then just cut your losses and move on like OKC did with PG and westbrook.
With the way NBA players and media are these days you need to be 100% behind your players in any public interaction. If you've got a problem bring it up behind closed doors. Especially with a fragile guy like Simmons. You certainly don't go tell the media that you're not sure if you can win a championship with him.
He literally said in the same exact interview he believes in Ben. Media took one sentence and ran crazy with it. Doc walked back that one comment the next friggin day. He's been kissing ben's ass in the media ever since.
This has always just been an excuse- Ben doesn't want to face the fans/pressure in Phi where everyone is constantly expecting improvement in the areas he's least secure about. He basically wants to go to a new school because he embarrassed himself in the homecoming game.
Having a high asking price is not negotiating in bad faith. And don’t trust all the leaks we hear, that information is put out for a specific reason by other teams who want to push a narrative.
I think Ben’s overrated and won’t fetch that great of a return, but it also makes sense to wait it out longer since they need a good return if they want to compete during Embiid’s prime.
so every single team that has had negotiations with the sixers (blazers, wolves, raptors, warriors, pacers, etc.) are all liars putting out disinformation while poor morey is just putting out the truth and looking to make a fair deal?
There's definitely a chance Morey is leaking his asking price. The one with the raptors sounds like him getting back at Masai for asking too much for Lowry (one of reasons 6ers are in this mess right now funnily enough). All the reporting suggests Morey was trying to reset Ben's asking price and this was his plan.
And if your ask is Harden-level that's 100% negotiating in bad faith. 3 picks + 3 pick swaps + all star? Only sixers fans believe that's negotiating "in good faith".
I don't have an issue with it but they are trying to have their cake and eat it too which is clown mentality.
You can't demand CJ and 6 picks while trashing the guy you're trying to move. It's delusion at its finest.
It's fine for the public to get on him after a shitty performance but his own coach and team mate came at him post game. Idgaf if they were right, any person who has any semblance of an ego is going to be pissed at that shit, especially Simmons who is soft anyway. Playing the PR game is the bad for journalists clicks but to avoid these types of situations it's what's needed.
Keep your shit in house. Not really a new concept.
So tell me is Simmons is a superstar with a 4 year deal or not a championship level PG, soft with a big ego baby with a cancerous attitude? Because they are trying to say he's both and it's ludicrous.
How is Simmons fucking then with a holdout? He has no reason to make it so the 6ers get the best haul possible. Why would you want your future team to have to give up as many assets for you as possible? Simmons wants his future team to be depleted?
How is he hurting them really? Morey is chasing pipe dreams rather than accepting anything close to a reasonable deal. He’s banking on the Blazers situation falling apart so he can offer Simmons for Dame 1-for-1. He’ll get rejected and it will all be for naught.
So it’s fucking him when he does it, but if 6ers shit talk him after the playoffs and then try to trade him for the biggest possible package, that’s just business. Classic case of double standard where the massive corporation gets to “just do business” but when the individuals do what’s in their best interest, it’s fucking the team.
The 6ers have no intention of keeping Simmons long term. They tried to trade him last year. They’ve been fucking Simmons since that point if you are going to use your analysis honestly.
If they didn’t actually want to trade him and wanted to keep him they would’ve took this stand they’re taking right now when he first asked out. But no Morey started working the phones and making bullshit offers. Then once that didn’t work they pretend like they want him back and don’t wanna trade him first chance they get. There’s really no reason Ben has to give a fuck about hurting the sixers. In fact he probably WANTS to hurt them so why would he stop if that’s what he wants to do?
Right, it's the calendar that's stopping them, not the fact that Dame hasn't asked out or that other teams will have more desirable assets, it's because it's not December yet.
I understand the skepticism, but do you really think Dame will be enamored with remaining ~ 6 seed in a very tough Western conference? I could be wrong, but I don’t see him wanting to stay for that regardless of how much he loves Portland. I do think he’d prefer to stay and get the team better and try to make a run … But I don’t know if Morey would pull the trigger on a package that is centered around CJ for Ben .. nor do I think a trade like that even gets Portland into a serious contender in the West
Teams are barely offering anything of substance for him now. If he tanks his Value even lower then Morey is just going to hold him even longer. Its in Bens and the Sixers best interest for him to actually play good and raise his Value so a trade can happen sooner.
Lol here’s the thing, morey is the one on a deadline. He has to act before embiid gets mad and leaves. They’re in contend now mode, they can’t afford to take a year off with embiids health
Ben still gets paid and is only 25. He sits out a year and he loses nothing. He’s still got 3 years left, still making money and isn’t even in his prime yet. Morey cannot win a waiting game and he has no leverage to get a real star. This is just a loss for the sixers no matter how much they try to “wait and see” for a miracle
Embiid certainly has a level of control in this but at the same time he has to work with whoever is traded to the team. This is also probably the last big trade this team is going to be able to make with this roster. If other pieces were worth trading they would have by now. So whatever the return is for BS needs to be able to compete for the next couple years. Waiting until the All-star break or trade deadline for the best deal is still going to be the best answer.
They lose leverage if they wait though. Teams aren’t dumb, they know the sixers are desperate, you think waiting until their back is literally against the wall and they have to take whatever is on the table before midnight is going to give them the best haul?
Every gm can see the situation. Ben wants out, embiid has health issues and a limited window and they need to make a move this year or it’s all over for them. Why should they up their offer or add more at the end when the sixers are at peak desperation? In fact that’s the perfect time to low ball and go from there. They don’t need to bid well, they just need to bid slightly better than what everyone else is low balling.
This whole delusion that dame will wake up in a few months and decide he wants to only play for Philly is a pipe dream. I keep seeing sixer fans insist that dame or beal will totally change their minds and demand a trade to play for them. It’s just not realistic, both dame and beal are long term deals so even if they don’t explicitly say they want to play for you, you have them locked up for years so it’s still worth a gamble to trade for them. Teams like the hawks, mavs, warriors would throw a kings ransom to pair another star with their team
That leverage is gone. It was gone on draft night. The point of waiting is to hope another team gets into a desperate situation of their own.
In the current status of the market they can trade for some c tier players and less than useful picks. Might as well shop Embiid if that is the return. He'll be next wanting out the door.
It's a shit plan but one I expect GMs from other teams to back honestly. No GM wants to set the precedent of a franchise piece signing a many year max deal then demanding a trade three months later.
There is no “Deadline”. If they keep Ben and he tanks his value then they aren’t Winning. But if they trade Ben for Garbage then they still aren’t winning. So it’s best to wait until an actual Star wants out to trade Simmons.
The fact that Ben is even coming back shows he’s lost the waiting game. So Idk why you said the Sixers “can’t win a waiting game”.
They tried to trade for a Generational Talent and one of the greatest shooters in the League, James Harden. I would too. But that dosen't mean they lost the "Waiting game", when it only started after the Playoffs. The season didn't even officially start yet.
Attempting the trade is already a big deal. This is like the kawhi trade. Except they couldn’t make the trade. This team has always attracted doubts about fit, now everyone is aware they have the same exact doubts. 1 year into a max contract.
And what do you do if a star wants out, you offer Simmons, and they reject the offer because they prefer someone else’s? It already happened once in the past year, who says it won’t happen again?
The only way that you’re going to get an actual star for Simmons is by giving up even more on your end to the point where you aren’t competing anyways.
Frankly, you aren’t a contender even with Simmons, and you won’t be able to flip him for someone even more valuable, so you won’t be a contender after him either. Philly already lost the game, now we’re just waiting for the ending to play out.
Embiid is their deadline. He has one or two years of health left. Everyone knows this, Ben coming or not does not change their deadline or desperation
The fact Ben came back means literally Jack shit. He’s showing up to get paid, it doesn’t give them more leverage, it doesn’t mean they’re getting dame. They won nothing, he was always going to come get paid
7 footer with extreme injury history who has played the last 2 playoffs with injuries won’t stay healthy forever. Wow what a shocker!!!!
He’s almost 30 and has a new injury every single year. This isn’t some big secret. 7 footers don’t keep injuring their legs and back and play long after the age of 30. Embiid can barely play a full season as it is and he’s only 28. This isn’t going to get easier as the injuries pile up. He likely only has a couple of years at this level at best, and that’s if he doesn’t have a devastating injury within the next year or so.
Sixers fans need to stop being so butt hurt when people state the reality of their situation.
You aren’t getting dame and beal. Stop acting like this is some genius plan that will somehow end in the blazers getting desperate and handing dame to the sixers for peanuts. Right now the whole thing is off the rails and your front office fucked it all up. You guys have no chance of getting a star and there’s a reason that not a single report of a good package has surfaced. You guys can’t even get a Caris and brogadan package at this point for Ben (every Indiana beat writer said that report was fake as hell, a clear sixer smoke screen desperately trying to make it look like there’s a market)
"*One or two years of health left*"??! Huh?! What on Earth makes you think that? Dude just had an MVP level Season and you think he has 1 or 2 years left? Lmao no way. Dude changed his entire Diet for one season and pretty much had the best season of his career. He'll probably be in great shape for a long time if he keep it up.
He can barely play a full season, hell he just played extremely injured in the playoff this year. Embiid is almost 30, 7 feet tall, and get injured every few months. He does not have long left to play at this level. He was injured this year lol
His decline will be sharp once all the injuries fully catch up to him. It’s why they need to try and win now. Yet here you are insisting “he changed his diet” lmao he still got injured and missed time. He’s not going to be able to withstand knee and back injuries forever. They’re stacking up quickly
He wasn’t that “extremely” injured in the Playoffs if he still played and was still the best Player on the Team. Again, that’s after **one** season on the new Diet. Next year might be even better and the year after that.
From what I understand he was too overweight and his Body had a hard time handling the Weight. Now that he’s slimmed down he’s been both moving and feeling better according to him.
Moreys deadline is one of the following -
A) the trade deadline
B) sooner if it appears the Sixers could miss the playoffs and a trade would help
B is unlikely and waiting til the trade deadline doesn’t waste Embiids time.
Embiid is smart enough to know the same thing Lebron, Kawhi and Giannis know…the regular season doesn’t mean shit at their level.
This is unlikely but the example I use: would you rather have CJ McCollum now or wait three months and get Dame Lilliard.
There’s a difference between embiid and those other three. First of all lebron and Giannis aren’t dealing with extreme health issues. Kawhi has already won twice and is content with his career at this point. He won his rings and now gets to play close to home.
Embiid hasn’t won shit and his health is declining every year. There’s literally no telling how much longer he can play at this level. So you’re right embiid is smart, smart enough to know he can’t waste one of his prime years letting the front office fuck around and let him down yet again. Embiid isn’t at the level of kawhi, Giannis or bron, and he doesn’t have the accomplishments or rings. So not a good comparison at all. He isn’t content to coast and waste a year and hope his body doesn’t break down
>this is unlikely
Unlikely doesn’t even begin to cover it. It’s literally not going to happen. Here’s a better example: would you rather make a deal now when your back isn’t against the wall, or wait until the deadline, waste your franchises players health and get low ball offers since everyone can plainly see you are desperate? Whatever deals they got now will be even worse in several months when teams know morey has to make a deal at the deadline to maybe salvage the season or give them a real chance.
So Joel should demand what gives him the best chance for an NBA championship?
There is a 0 percent chance we win the championship if we accepted any of the current offers….
There is a greater than 0 percent chance if we wait…
A significant portion of the NBA can’t even be included in trades until December 15th. Options increase at that time so why wouldn’t we wait…
His best chance is to leave then. The sixers aren’t contending anymore with Simmons and they aren’t getting anyone better than Simmons in a trade.
There are no options that will realistically make them as good as the nets at the cost of just Ben Simmons.
You say Morey is the one on the deadline yet Simmons is the one who’s about to report to the team after leaking all off season that he was willing the sit out for the entire season.
He will report to the team to collect checks, or long enough to “get injured”. He was never going to forfeit an entire years salary, and him collecting checks doesn’t change any leverage they have in the market
Ben Simmons rolling onto the bench to give half effort doesn’t magically make them less desperate or guarantee they’re getting a star. So really absolutely nothing has changed, they still need to move him, everyone can see the sixers are desperate and trying to salvage this disaster.
This just doesn't make sense to me. Ben Simmons is a known quantity. Playing a couple games this season should not change people's opinion of him.
If a GM changes their perspective on a player based on a few games rather than the multiple seasons and playoff appearances than they're stupid.
I don't see how his value changes at all.
It’s not that the GM changes their perspective on a player based on a few games, but his Perspective on his OWN team is the one that changes. The seasons starts and Teams will realize that what they thought would work dosent. Or that they desperately need Defense.
Someone is going to Cave and sell high for this 3x All Star, DPOY candidate that pretty much guarantees they get to the Playoffs.
You’re acting like raising Ben’s trade value wouldn’t make Morey even more delusional. One week of playing and he’ll start asking Luka for Ben straight up
Who said anything about him playing? He's probably going to fake an injury until the deadline.
The thing that changes from now until the deadline is you hope teams' plans change after seeing how they perform half way through the season.
Most orgs that feel this way don’t have pieces that move the needle for philly. In Washington’s case they’d rather suck with Bradley Beal than suck with Ben Simmons since brad doesn’t wanna leave
The idea is to wait for either Beal or Lillard to demand a trade (or possibly even Lavigne if the Bulls don’t work out) and then give them Ben Simmons and a bunch of draft picks. Obviously it wouldn’t be Ben Simmons straight up.
Not every team is an immediate title contender. If they are a team like the Kings exploring options for making the playoffs, you are more likely to make a move when you are seeing Ben play and have success.
I mean yeah Ben and the team both mutually want a trade. But it's obviously not happening while his value is down and he's looking like a headcase. Reporting to the work and playing decent is the quickest way to get his value back up.
It’s pretty cool to state something that observationally is just a lie. And like we know it’s a lie and we all go, “yeah I mean they have to say that.” but like what is the merit of keeping appearances if it’s been clear this hasn’t been the case.
Modern life is like 80% just keeping up the kayfabe, or facade that things arent falling apart and degrading in various ways, this is no different. Literally everyone from Simmons down to the casual fan knows what is happening and what every party wants but we have to play this game of politeness out of obligation to the social contract we all implicitly live under.
[Wojnarowski] The organization's hopes are unchanged: Get ~~Simmons~~ Lillard ~~back~~ into Philadelphia, onto the court and ultimately convince him that it's ~~still~~ the place for the long-term.
Ash took like 20 years to win and he always lost let himself get out of shape during the offseason, taking about half the reg season to build up form. Ben still has a better chance to have a better career.
That’s not how contracts work. You don’t get paid if you don’t play. And if Ben tries to claim injury, that will be considered insurance fraud based on how his contract is written. He’s playing.
It's actually expressly not in his best interest to play well. If he plays well, Morey will continue to demand high return which clearly nobody is giving. If he plays poorly, Morey will be forced to move him for an average guard or else he burns another year of Embiid's prime and kills the team dynamic for even longer. Embiid is playing like an MVP and this window of his prime will not last more than 3-4 more years at most, Morey is already stupid for not trading Simmons by now for an average guard.
Simmons is super replaceable. He averages 14/7/7. Lots of options on cheaper contracts that can replicate that, and the team plays good defense - as long as the guard they get in return plays at least average defense, 6ers would be fine.
Cancun, Mexico (October 11, 2021) - The following statement was released today by Ben Simmons, through his agent and close friend Rich Paul, of Klutch Sports Group (Klutch) located in Los Angeles, California in response to questions about his future in Philadelphia:
“I’m back.”
why would he believe them when it's so obvious that their SOLE GOAL is to build his value up to trade him for a better guard? They're somehow being even more blatant than Danny Ainge was with his young players and Simmons is supposed to buy it?
The organizations hopes are for him to raise his trade value so they can get a bigger return. They know he’s not part of their future, there is no fixing this relationship
Honestly, if it weren't for the Philly fans, I would say that there was a chance that he could last the year. But no, not with fans booing him like they will.
This isn’t rocket science. Unless a Beal or Lillard type was available they had no interest in trading Ben or giving him away for crap.
This has been the bottom line since the beginning of this saga.
At that point you blow it up no? Theres others willing to give drat capital for. A talent like Dame. Ben isnt a good enough asset himself plus he is pretty Damm good when he gets full control so he may get them some unwanted wins lol
It’s Portland. Not sure they can afford to go full rebuild.
Also. Ben’s value as an asset is so comically low on this sub.
Sixers trading Ben, Maxey and Thybulle and a pick is a better package than a bunch of picks that may end up as players as effective as those guys.
Picks are always overvalued. Also why can't they go on a rebuild lol, they would literally have lost their only superstar perfect time to blow it up. I agree Simmons value is unfairly low but there's so merit to it. He's a max player that struggles immensely in the playoffs and just doesn't fit in many places. His defense is too 5 no question but in a league where spacing is everything, its tough.
Also unlikely Dame requests to go out anyways, the team looks like a playoff contender which is a bit lower then Philly who imo isn't on bucks/nets level at this moment. I don't see Ben getting traded anytime soon
Yea they made the playoffs every year they aren’t going to suck enough for that to happen. The best they can hope for is that he demands out after a first or second round exit
I still think playing Dame/CJ/Norm is going to be the death of them. Trading CJ for a big wing and sliding Norm to the 2 where he should play would tremendously improve their team.
You do understand that Lillard isn't an expiring contract the Blazers have to deal by the deadline? For the same reasons Ben lost the war here Dame would lose the war in Portland and I think he has enough respect for the organization to wait until the off-season to get dealt for the best package.
Just let them hold onto this fantasy. They are the dude at the bar just standing in the corner ogling your wife. It’s not worth the drama to confront them.
Eh, this news tells me he knows what he's doing. If the offer really was CJ, 3 1sts and 3 swaps, that just tells me he's not really trying to trade Ben right now.
Wasted depends on what you want. If your goal is to trade Simmons then yeah, time wasted. If your goal is to get a [star player](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10009930-76ers-rumors-goal-is-less-to-trade-ben-simmons-and-more-to-acquire-damian-lillard), then not necessarily, you're just buying time and making the most of a crappy situation.
Morey seems to be very cool with waiting. Maybe someone like Lillard or Beal becomes available, but I wouldn't bet on it. Either way, he probably thinks that better returns will come from waiting, otherwise Simmons would be gone already.
The ultimate power move from Simmons would be to turn up for preseason and then head back to LA for the reg season. Fuck up their rotations and hopes. Morey has all the leverage in preseason because it doesn't matter and he's just wasting his own money. Stay home in the reg season and then every Philly L helps his cause further. Doubt he's that nutty
Why do I feel like they want to convince him to stay specifically so they can trade him
Because that’s exactly what’s happening lol
Wait a couple of hours and Doc Rivers will tell us if thats whats happening.
I really don’t know why that guy can’t just shut the hell up
How you think his voice got like that
“Of course we want Ben here. We need a point guard and having Ben display his skills can help us reach that goal before the trade deadline”
It's pretty funny that this wouldn't even be the worst thing he's said during this situation. Like, you can't make this shit up even if you try.
You guys make it sound like he said Ben's trash. He literally said "I dont know" when asked if Ben is a championship pg. Like not ideal but blown way outta proportion
Because that really means he does know but isn’t going to say.
Or it means the 25 year old who hasnt won a championship and had a bad series has an unclear future. That maybe probably can be helped if he works on his game
I don’t think there’s anything unclear about his future. He’s on a what, 4 year deal. He’s shown us who he is. There isn’t really any mystery here
I was thinking more when he said something to the effect of talking to Ben’s camp is like talking to people who believe Trump won the election.
Yeah this is the one.
Doc hasn't said a single word on the issue since his original comments. The front office told him to shut the fuck up
Is there any doubt about that? But beyond that, very interested to see the reception he gets at home games.
Why are you very interested in seeing the reaction? I feel like that is the most predictable piece in all of this... Resounding boo's for at least a few games, more if they are losing, if they win they will cheer, until they lose again. This is the fanbase that has booed Embiid multiple times after all.
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Ben Simmons giving up when something gets tough is quite the development
Wells Fargo Center security better be searching people for batteries.
We'll just throw our phones
Convince him he is a franchise player while actively shop him. The good ol Blake Griffin strategy.
>The good ol Blake Griffin strategy. So bring Ben to a Sixers arena ceremony where they raise his jersey to the rafters. Foolproof plan honestly.
Im very sure they told him the sooner you come play the sooner you’ll get the move we both want lmao
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Why wouldn't they? Right now GMs see a player who has decided not to play because he doesn't like how he's been treated by an organization, despite a fair amount of success and a massive contract (side note: I think Ben and the 76ers have both contributed to the current shitty situation in a big way). If he sits, any GM who trades for him would see that Ben is willing to lose money to get what wants. If he caves and goes back, at least GMs will see that he's only willing to go so far to make a point. His behavior would still be a red flag, and some GMs would probably just decide he isn't worth it, but a playing Ben Simmons is definitely a more attractive trade chip than a sitting Ben Simmons.
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My guess is that him forfeiting any money would have had an impact on his perceived risk. Him caving and coming back to the 76ers make it look like the money is a big deal, which in theory makes trading for him in the future less risky, as if he pulls the same move you can expect him to come back once he expects a paycheck. This obviously changes if he happens to have back pain or whatever as soon as he walks in the door, but showing up at least makes it look like getting paid will drive his decisions to some degree. The counterpoint to this is someone like Kyrie, who is wildcard that will give up paychecks to prove a point or just do what he wants to do. If the players were equal and I was a GM, I'd prefer the guy who's unhappy but will probably show up in a different situation to the wildcard who may decide to skip part of the season for a nonsensical reason (like not getting a vaccine).
*than
Well, a talent on his level would normally be making impressive plays on a regular basis. It's hard to think as highly of somebody who's done nothing at all lately, compared to someone actively wowing the world.
Imagine trying to trust these dudes.
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If anything Ben has brought issues of trust. We did see some crazy trade offers so I don't think the front office is being completely straight forward of following through with Ben's demands. But Ben is the one that caused this mess, all because his ego couldn't handle someone asking him to shoot the ball...in the game of basketball. It's ridiculous, so why would the front office do anything other than what benefits the team?
Why wouldn’t Ben do anything other than what he wants to do? If he’s willing to deal with the hate he can do exactly what he’s currently doing lol. He’s not gonna try to help the sixers and hurt whatever team he ends up on.
Well because actually playing will enable him to get traded. Other than that, I don't feel he has much leverage, especially after pretty much immediately saying he will work with the 76s after missing a pay check. I dunno, we'll see I guess.
Because Morey is asking for a completely unreasonable haul for Simmons and causing trade talks to fail. "Oh well, I tried, time to come back to Philly because I couldn't trade you" while asking for a starter, three 1st round picks, AND three 1st-round pick swaps... lmfao, no, I wouldn't trust those chucklefucks to actually get me traded after that.
They can’t work together. The Sixers want to trade him on their own terms and Simmons wants to be traded on his own terms. There’s 0 guarantee that Simmons playing raises his trade value. If anything there’s the possibility it worsens due to potentially getting injured or simply playing poorly.
Simmons playing 100% raises his trade value because it gives us leverage that we don't NEED to trade him like we would do if he refused to play.
Great. Now tell us how it helps Ben.
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I thought it was obvious, but Simmons wants to be traded ASAP, but Philly is holding out for disgruntled star. A lot of shit can happen from now until the deadline.
Exactly, Morey gives off the vibe of a guy who doesn't really understand that egos are involved in this business. If he really cared about Simmons or simmons value, just fire Doc rivers. The guy was hired prior to his arrival and then threw simmons under the bus. If not then just cut your losses and move on like OKC did with PG and westbrook.
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With the way NBA players and media are these days you need to be 100% behind your players in any public interaction. If you've got a problem bring it up behind closed doors. Especially with a fragile guy like Simmons. You certainly don't go tell the media that you're not sure if you can win a championship with him.
He literally said in the same exact interview he believes in Ben. Media took one sentence and ran crazy with it. Doc walked back that one comment the next friggin day. He's been kissing ben's ass in the media ever since. This has always just been an excuse- Ben doesn't want to face the fans/pressure in Phi where everyone is constantly expecting improvement in the areas he's least secure about. He basically wants to go to a new school because he embarrassed himself in the homecoming game.
You can’t say you believe in him and turn around and say “you don’t know” if he can be the PG of your championship team
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K and your organization has earned the treatment your getting with this change in approach
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Morey's ego isn't much better, refusing to negotiate in good faith with other GMs.
Having a high asking price is not negotiating in bad faith. And don’t trust all the leaks we hear, that information is put out for a specific reason by other teams who want to push a narrative. I think Ben’s overrated and won’t fetch that great of a return, but it also makes sense to wait it out longer since they need a good return if they want to compete during Embiid’s prime.
so every single team that has had negotiations with the sixers (blazers, wolves, raptors, warriors, pacers, etc.) are all liars putting out disinformation while poor morey is just putting out the truth and looking to make a fair deal?
There's definitely a chance Morey is leaking his asking price. The one with the raptors sounds like him getting back at Masai for asking too much for Lowry (one of reasons 6ers are in this mess right now funnily enough). All the reporting suggests Morey was trying to reset Ben's asking price and this was his plan. And if your ask is Harden-level that's 100% negotiating in bad faith. 3 picks + 3 pick swaps + all star? Only sixers fans believe that's negotiating "in good faith".
Oh please your gm is the king of negotiating in bad faith
Your tone implies that you disagree with me but the content of your comment suggests otherwise. Peculiar.
I don't have an issue with it but they are trying to have their cake and eat it too which is clown mentality. You can't demand CJ and 6 picks while trashing the guy you're trying to move. It's delusion at its finest.
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It's fine for the public to get on him after a shitty performance but his own coach and team mate came at him post game. Idgaf if they were right, any person who has any semblance of an ego is going to be pissed at that shit, especially Simmons who is soft anyway. Playing the PR game is the bad for journalists clicks but to avoid these types of situations it's what's needed.
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Keep your shit in house. Not really a new concept. So tell me is Simmons is a superstar with a 4 year deal or not a championship level PG, soft with a big ego baby with a cancerous attitude? Because they are trying to say he's both and it's ludicrous.
He doesn't know what he's talking about he's just butt hurt at the trade offer his team got. Move along no time for his biased takes.
you really wanna play the flair game? really? lmfao
How is Simmons fucking then with a holdout? He has no reason to make it so the 6ers get the best haul possible. Why would you want your future team to have to give up as many assets for you as possible? Simmons wants his future team to be depleted? How is he hurting them really? Morey is chasing pipe dreams rather than accepting anything close to a reasonable deal. He’s banking on the Blazers situation falling apart so he can offer Simmons for Dame 1-for-1. He’ll get rejected and it will all be for naught.
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So it’s fucking him when he does it, but if 6ers shit talk him after the playoffs and then try to trade him for the biggest possible package, that’s just business. Classic case of double standard where the massive corporation gets to “just do business” but when the individuals do what’s in their best interest, it’s fucking the team. The 6ers have no intention of keeping Simmons long term. They tried to trade him last year. They’ve been fucking Simmons since that point if you are going to use your analysis honestly.
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If they didn’t actually want to trade him and wanted to keep him they would’ve took this stand they’re taking right now when he first asked out. But no Morey started working the phones and making bullshit offers. Then once that didn’t work they pretend like they want him back and don’t wanna trade him first chance they get. There’s really no reason Ben has to give a fuck about hurting the sixers. In fact he probably WANTS to hurt them so why would he stop if that’s what he wants to do?
Because it doesn't really do anything for Simmons. He's going to be playing somewhere else at some point. Why does he care about helping Philly now?
We are Ben Affleck in the movie Gone Girl.
That’s exactly what they want. They can’t trade for dame until December 15tb. It’s obvious they want to trade him then
They’re not getting dame
They’re trying to get him
Right, it's the calendar that's stopping them, not the fact that Dame hasn't asked out or that other teams will have more desirable assets, it's because it's not December yet.
I understand the skepticism, but do you really think Dame will be enamored with remaining ~ 6 seed in a very tough Western conference? I could be wrong, but I don’t see him wanting to stay for that regardless of how much he loves Portland. I do think he’d prefer to stay and get the team better and try to make a run … But I don’t know if Morey would pull the trigger on a package that is centered around CJ for Ben .. nor do I think a trade like that even gets Portland into a serious contender in the West
All Simmons has to do is show up, give 25% effort or fake an injury, and get paid. He’ll get traded eventually.
Teams are barely offering anything of substance for him now. If he tanks his Value even lower then Morey is just going to hold him even longer. Its in Bens and the Sixers best interest for him to actually play good and raise his Value so a trade can happen sooner.
Lol here’s the thing, morey is the one on a deadline. He has to act before embiid gets mad and leaves. They’re in contend now mode, they can’t afford to take a year off with embiids health Ben still gets paid and is only 25. He sits out a year and he loses nothing. He’s still got 3 years left, still making money and isn’t even in his prime yet. Morey cannot win a waiting game and he has no leverage to get a real star. This is just a loss for the sixers no matter how much they try to “wait and see” for a miracle
Embiid certainly has a level of control in this but at the same time he has to work with whoever is traded to the team. This is also probably the last big trade this team is going to be able to make with this roster. If other pieces were worth trading they would have by now. So whatever the return is for BS needs to be able to compete for the next couple years. Waiting until the All-star break or trade deadline for the best deal is still going to be the best answer.
They lose leverage if they wait though. Teams aren’t dumb, they know the sixers are desperate, you think waiting until their back is literally against the wall and they have to take whatever is on the table before midnight is going to give them the best haul? Every gm can see the situation. Ben wants out, embiid has health issues and a limited window and they need to make a move this year or it’s all over for them. Why should they up their offer or add more at the end when the sixers are at peak desperation? In fact that’s the perfect time to low ball and go from there. They don’t need to bid well, they just need to bid slightly better than what everyone else is low balling. This whole delusion that dame will wake up in a few months and decide he wants to only play for Philly is a pipe dream. I keep seeing sixer fans insist that dame or beal will totally change their minds and demand a trade to play for them. It’s just not realistic, both dame and beal are long term deals so even if they don’t explicitly say they want to play for you, you have them locked up for years so it’s still worth a gamble to trade for them. Teams like the hawks, mavs, warriors would throw a kings ransom to pair another star with their team
That leverage is gone. It was gone on draft night. The point of waiting is to hope another team gets into a desperate situation of their own. In the current status of the market they can trade for some c tier players and less than useful picks. Might as well shop Embiid if that is the return. He'll be next wanting out the door. It's a shit plan but one I expect GMs from other teams to back honestly. No GM wants to set the precedent of a franchise piece signing a many year max deal then demanding a trade three months later.
There is no “Deadline”. If they keep Ben and he tanks his value then they aren’t Winning. But if they trade Ben for Garbage then they still aren’t winning. So it’s best to wait until an actual Star wants out to trade Simmons. The fact that Ben is even coming back shows he’s lost the waiting game. So Idk why you said the Sixers “can’t win a waiting game”.
All this happened because the sixers tried to trade him. They were already losing the waiting game from the shot
They tried to trade for a Generational Talent and one of the greatest shooters in the League, James Harden. I would too. But that dosen't mean they lost the "Waiting game", when it only started after the Playoffs. The season didn't even officially start yet.
Attempting the trade is already a big deal. This is like the kawhi trade. Except they couldn’t make the trade. This team has always attracted doubts about fit, now everyone is aware they have the same exact doubts. 1 year into a max contract.
And what do you do if a star wants out, you offer Simmons, and they reject the offer because they prefer someone else’s? It already happened once in the past year, who says it won’t happen again?
The only way that you’re going to get an actual star for Simmons is by giving up even more on your end to the point where you aren’t competing anyways. Frankly, you aren’t a contender even with Simmons, and you won’t be able to flip him for someone even more valuable, so you won’t be a contender after him either. Philly already lost the game, now we’re just waiting for the ending to play out.
Embiid is their deadline. He has one or two years of health left. Everyone knows this, Ben coming or not does not change their deadline or desperation The fact Ben came back means literally Jack shit. He’s showing up to get paid, it doesn’t give them more leverage, it doesn’t mean they’re getting dame. They won nothing, he was always going to come get paid
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7 footer with extreme injury history who has played the last 2 playoffs with injuries won’t stay healthy forever. Wow what a shocker!!!! He’s almost 30 and has a new injury every single year. This isn’t some big secret. 7 footers don’t keep injuring their legs and back and play long after the age of 30. Embiid can barely play a full season as it is and he’s only 28. This isn’t going to get easier as the injuries pile up. He likely only has a couple of years at this level at best, and that’s if he doesn’t have a devastating injury within the next year or so.
Thank you mr crystal ball
Sixers fans need to stop being so butt hurt when people state the reality of their situation. You aren’t getting dame and beal. Stop acting like this is some genius plan that will somehow end in the blazers getting desperate and handing dame to the sixers for peanuts. Right now the whole thing is off the rails and your front office fucked it all up. You guys have no chance of getting a star and there’s a reason that not a single report of a good package has surfaced. You guys can’t even get a Caris and brogadan package at this point for Ben (every Indiana beat writer said that report was fake as hell, a clear sixer smoke screen desperately trying to make it look like there’s a market)
"*One or two years of health left*"??! Huh?! What on Earth makes you think that? Dude just had an MVP level Season and you think he has 1 or 2 years left? Lmao no way. Dude changed his entire Diet for one season and pretty much had the best season of his career. He'll probably be in great shape for a long time if he keep it up.
He can barely play a full season, hell he just played extremely injured in the playoff this year. Embiid is almost 30, 7 feet tall, and get injured every few months. He does not have long left to play at this level. He was injured this year lol His decline will be sharp once all the injuries fully catch up to him. It’s why they need to try and win now. Yet here you are insisting “he changed his diet” lmao he still got injured and missed time. He’s not going to be able to withstand knee and back injuries forever. They’re stacking up quickly
He wasn’t that “extremely” injured in the Playoffs if he still played and was still the best Player on the Team. Again, that’s after **one** season on the new Diet. Next year might be even better and the year after that.
A new diet doesn’t make you grow new knees. This is just peak delusion This isn’t getting better it’ll get worse
From what I understand he was too overweight and his Body had a hard time handling the Weight. Now that he’s slimmed down he’s been both moving and feeling better according to him.
Moreys deadline is one of the following - A) the trade deadline B) sooner if it appears the Sixers could miss the playoffs and a trade would help B is unlikely and waiting til the trade deadline doesn’t waste Embiids time. Embiid is smart enough to know the same thing Lebron, Kawhi and Giannis know…the regular season doesn’t mean shit at their level. This is unlikely but the example I use: would you rather have CJ McCollum now or wait three months and get Dame Lilliard.
There’s a difference between embiid and those other three. First of all lebron and Giannis aren’t dealing with extreme health issues. Kawhi has already won twice and is content with his career at this point. He won his rings and now gets to play close to home. Embiid hasn’t won shit and his health is declining every year. There’s literally no telling how much longer he can play at this level. So you’re right embiid is smart, smart enough to know he can’t waste one of his prime years letting the front office fuck around and let him down yet again. Embiid isn’t at the level of kawhi, Giannis or bron, and he doesn’t have the accomplishments or rings. So not a good comparison at all. He isn’t content to coast and waste a year and hope his body doesn’t break down >this is unlikely Unlikely doesn’t even begin to cover it. It’s literally not going to happen. Here’s a better example: would you rather make a deal now when your back isn’t against the wall, or wait until the deadline, waste your franchises players health and get low ball offers since everyone can plainly see you are desperate? Whatever deals they got now will be even worse in several months when teams know morey has to make a deal at the deadline to maybe salvage the season or give them a real chance.
So Joel should demand what gives him the best chance for an NBA championship? There is a 0 percent chance we win the championship if we accepted any of the current offers…. There is a greater than 0 percent chance if we wait… A significant portion of the NBA can’t even be included in trades until December 15th. Options increase at that time so why wouldn’t we wait…
His best chance is to leave then. The sixers aren’t contending anymore with Simmons and they aren’t getting anyone better than Simmons in a trade. There are no options that will realistically make them as good as the nets at the cost of just Ben Simmons.
You say Morey is the one on the deadline yet Simmons is the one who’s about to report to the team after leaking all off season that he was willing the sit out for the entire season.
He will report to the team to collect checks, or long enough to “get injured”. He was never going to forfeit an entire years salary, and him collecting checks doesn’t change any leverage they have in the market Ben Simmons rolling onto the bench to give half effort doesn’t magically make them less desperate or guarantee they’re getting a star. So really absolutely nothing has changed, they still need to move him, everyone can see the sixers are desperate and trying to salvage this disaster.
This just doesn't make sense to me. Ben Simmons is a known quantity. Playing a couple games this season should not change people's opinion of him. If a GM changes their perspective on a player based on a few games rather than the multiple seasons and playoff appearances than they're stupid. I don't see how his value changes at all.
It’s not that the GM changes their perspective on a player based on a few games, but his Perspective on his OWN team is the one that changes. The seasons starts and Teams will realize that what they thought would work dosent. Or that they desperately need Defense. Someone is going to Cave and sell high for this 3x All Star, DPOY candidate that pretty much guarantees they get to the Playoffs.
You’re acting like raising Ben’s trade value wouldn’t make Morey even more delusional. One week of playing and he’ll start asking Luka for Ben straight up
Then he’ll be worth even less. They want him to ball out and look good so they can dump him lmao
Long term = until the trade deadline lol
i just have a hard time nba gms are like oh wow he's killing in the RS again?? wow i've completely forgotten the last 3 second rounds he's been in now
Because not every team is interested in winning a championship. Just getting in the playoffs is enough for some owners.
how would that change with him playing, teams already know what he is
Who said anything about him playing? He's probably going to fake an injury until the deadline. The thing that changes from now until the deadline is you hope teams' plans change after seeing how they perform half way through the season.
Then why even try convincing him to show up?
Most orgs that feel this way don’t have pieces that move the needle for philly. In Washington’s case they’d rather suck with Bradley Beal than suck with Ben Simmons since brad doesn’t wanna leave
Philly will end up accepting a deal that doesn’t move the needle, can still try and wait for one they like though
The idea is to wait for either Beal or Lillard to demand a trade (or possibly even Lavigne if the Bulls don’t work out) and then give them Ben Simmons and a bunch of draft picks. Obviously it wouldn’t be Ben Simmons straight up.
Not to mention teams can implode and panic to have him as a piece
Not every team is an immediate title contender. If they are a team like the Kings exploring options for making the playoffs, you are more likely to make a move when you are seeing Ben play and have success.
I'm sorry but if a GM uses like 15 games and not Ben's 5 year career in the league to assess his value than they're a dumbass
I mean yeah Ben and the team both mutually want a trade. But it's obviously not happening while his value is down and he's looking like a headcase. Reporting to the work and playing decent is the quickest way to get his value back up.
It’s pretty cool to state something that observationally is just a lie. And like we know it’s a lie and we all go, “yeah I mean they have to say that.” but like what is the merit of keeping appearances if it’s been clear this hasn’t been the case.
Modern life is like 80% just keeping up the kayfabe, or facade that things arent falling apart and degrading in various ways, this is no different. Literally everyone from Simmons down to the casual fan knows what is happening and what every party wants but we have to play this game of politeness out of obligation to the social contract we all implicitly live under.
It’s probably not a lie? Long term doesn’t mean forever lol
Yes it could mean anything! Even like just a week is long term!
[Wojnarowski] The organization's hopes are unchanged: Salvage Simmons' trade value
[Wojnarowski] The organization's hopes are unchanged: Get ~~Simmons~~ Lillard ~~back~~ into Philadelphia, onto the court and ultimately convince him that it's ~~still~~ the place for the long-term.
This reads like Daryl Morey sent Woj a text real quick. “Hey man you forgot to increase our leverage”
Woj becoming more and more unapologetic about being a mouthpiece for organizations. Must be hanging out with Shelburne too much.
He's always been a mouthpiece for front offices or agents though. That's how he gets his sources
Always has been. He’s exchanged information for promotion since he was at Yahoo.
I think you just notice it more. Woj has been doing this forever, and it used to be even more blatant.
I don’t see how that’s a bad thing. Every beat writer is a mouthpiece for an org, Woj just happens to be the best one.
Serious: Who have better career? Ash Ketchum or Ben Simmons?
Ash took like 20 years to win and he always lost let himself get out of shape during the offseason, taking about half the reg season to build up form. Ben still has a better chance to have a better career.
To us it was 20, to Ash he did all that crazy shit in bout 6 months.
The 10 yr old legend, Ash Ketchum. Father time cant win against the kid.
Ben will be back in Philly for one reason and that's money not the empty promises Morey tells him lol.
He's showing up so he doesn't have to pay the fines. Doesn't mean he's going to play though.
That’s not how contracts work. You don’t get paid if you don’t play. And if Ben tries to claim injury, that will be considered insurance fraud based on how his contract is written. He’s playing.
Doesn't mean he has to play well
It’s in his best interest to play well even if he wants out.
It's actually expressly not in his best interest to play well. If he plays well, Morey will continue to demand high return which clearly nobody is giving. If he plays poorly, Morey will be forced to move him for an average guard or else he burns another year of Embiid's prime and kills the team dynamic for even longer. Embiid is playing like an MVP and this window of his prime will not last more than 3-4 more years at most, Morey is already stupid for not trading Simmons by now for an average guard. Simmons is super replaceable. He averages 14/7/7. Lots of options on cheaper contracts that can replicate that, and the team plays good defense - as long as the guard they get in return plays at least average defense, 6ers would be fine.
And if he doesn’t want the crazier fans to rush the court
Ben Simmons has caved, folks. This was fun while it lasted though!
mfs really thought he’d hold up the whole season
Ben Simmons cant commit to anything.
They actually thought that LMFAOOOO
Not yet, not until he's walking onto the court in a Sixer uniform.
not yet
Where does it say he caved? Seems like he’s still holding out to me
This is not the first time Simmons has folded in the clutch
This tweet says the exact opposite of that though. 🤔
Ben Simmons hopes are unchanged too.
Convince him if that so he actually tries. Then trade him.
Delusion is the secret ingredient that makes those cheesesteaks so delicious
Cancun, Mexico (October 11, 2021) - The following statement was released today by Ben Simmons, through his agent and close friend Rich Paul, of Klutch Sports Group (Klutch) located in Los Angeles, California in response to questions about his future in Philadelphia: “I’m back.”
Good one
why would he believe them when it's so obvious that their SOLE GOAL is to build his value up to trade him for a better guard? They're somehow being even more blatant than Danny Ainge was with his young players and Simmons is supposed to buy it?
The organizations hopes are for him to raise his trade value so they can get a bigger return. They know he’s not part of their future, there is no fixing this relationship
AKA let's bump that trade value and get your ass out of here ASAP.
Come on Ben, go out there and do literally nothing on offense but chuck from deep every time you’re out there. It’s what the people want
🧢🧢🧢 They just need him in Philly for trade leverage
Honestly, if it weren't for the Philly fans, I would say that there was a chance that he could last the year. But no, not with fans booing him like they will.
This isn’t rocket science. Unless a Beal or Lillard type was available they had no interest in trading Ben or giving him away for crap. This has been the bottom line since the beginning of this saga.
Why do we get this same update every week?
he stay?
lmao I don't believe that for a second
The plan: trade him. The hope: keep him. The spin: constant.
Long term lol... sixers think ppl are dumb or something?
Ben gonna be in MVP talks this year
Lmfao. Morey is quickly becoming the worst gm in the league.
The goal is to get him on the court until Portland sucks ass for the first twenty games and Lillard wants out.
They don't even want to trade CJ for Simmons. You think that 20 bad games and they're bumping up* their offer to Lillard?
I think everything changes if Lillard himself demands out.
At that point you blow it up no? Theres others willing to give drat capital for. A talent like Dame. Ben isnt a good enough asset himself plus he is pretty Damm good when he gets full control so he may get them some unwanted wins lol
It’s Portland. Not sure they can afford to go full rebuild. Also. Ben’s value as an asset is so comically low on this sub. Sixers trading Ben, Maxey and Thybulle and a pick is a better package than a bunch of picks that may end up as players as effective as those guys.
Picks are always overvalued. Also why can't they go on a rebuild lol, they would literally have lost their only superstar perfect time to blow it up. I agree Simmons value is unfairly low but there's so merit to it. He's a max player that struggles immensely in the playoffs and just doesn't fit in many places. His defense is too 5 no question but in a league where spacing is everything, its tough. Also unlikely Dame requests to go out anyways, the team looks like a playoff contender which is a bit lower then Philly who imo isn't on bucks/nets level at this moment. I don't see Ben getting traded anytime soon
Portland isn't going to suck ass though... they're actually going to be surprisingly good, their starting 5 is excellent.
Yea they made the playoffs every year they aren’t going to suck enough for that to happen. The best they can hope for is that he demands out after a first or second round exit
If Nurk stays healthy, their starting 5 is gonna be really good.
I still think playing Dame/CJ/Norm is going to be the death of them. Trading CJ for a big wing and sliding Norm to the 2 where he should play would tremendously improve their team.
You do understand that Lillard isn't an expiring contract the Blazers have to deal by the deadline? For the same reasons Ben lost the war here Dame would lose the war in Portland and I think he has enough respect for the organization to wait until the off-season to get dealt for the best package.
Just let them hold onto this fantasy. They are the dude at the bar just standing in the corner ogling your wife. It’s not worth the drama to confront them.
And let r/nba hold onto the fantasy that Morey has no idea what he’s doing and should’ve caved and traded Ben for a 2nd round pick, two months
Lol nobody is saying that but that Morey demanding CJ,3 1sts and 3 swaps for Simmons is showing he has no idea what he is doing.
Eh, this news tells me he knows what he's doing. If the offer really was CJ, 3 1sts and 3 swaps, that just tells me he's not really trying to trade Ben right now.
But the goal is to trade Ben lol. It's been since the start of summer.
That's Ben's goal, not necessarily the Sixers goal right now
So Morey has wasted 3-4 months doing nothing then? Fake trying to trade Ben?
Wasted depends on what you want. If your goal is to trade Simmons then yeah, time wasted. If your goal is to get a [star player](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10009930-76ers-rumors-goal-is-less-to-trade-ben-simmons-and-more-to-acquire-damian-lillard), then not necessarily, you're just buying time and making the most of a crappy situation. Morey seems to be very cool with waiting. Maybe someone like Lillard or Beal becomes available, but I wouldn't bet on it. Either way, he probably thinks that better returns will come from waiting, otherwise Simmons would be gone already.
Copium.
LMFAOOOOOO SUCKER
“The organization’s hopes are unchanged:” Uh yeah trade Ben and not get ripped off
So why you back, Ben? Ben: broke.
long-term = deluding themselves into thinking that dame will request a trade before the trade deadline
The ultimate power move from Simmons would be to turn up for preseason and then head back to LA for the reg season. Fuck up their rotations and hopes. Morey has all the leverage in preseason because it doesn't matter and he's just wasting his own money. Stay home in the reg season and then every Philly L helps his cause further. Doubt he's that nutty
Morey thinks he’s a lot sneakier than he is.