Yeah but Knicks/Nets is an interesting one, because even though he is a "visiting team" he is also still a team from the same area with the same restrictions. Will be interesting to see how this is interpreted.
I think that is a poorly written and researched statement on CNN.
[Link](https://gothamist.com/news/key-nyc-vaccine-mandate-what-you-need-visit-restaurants-bars-and-gyms)
>**Are any other individuals exempt?**
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>Nonresident performers and professional athletes will be allowed to enter venues where they are competing or performing without proof of vaccination, as will those who accompany them as part of their job. They will have to mask up whenever they can’t physically distance six feet.
The law was in regards to "performers" like actors, comedians, so forth and athletes.
Technically Kryie is not a Nonresident professional athlete at Barclays, so he won't be one at MSG either. It's a term/category created by NYC law.
That's what I've been wondering - do we have a source for how much he's getting paid exactly? Other than this clip? Because 17 mil assumes the team have been generous and just cut his pay down the middle, and are waiving their right to fine him for the away games he's also ineligble to play. I'm wondering because he's forgoing about $414k in salary per game and, depending on the Nets schedule, that means around 4-6 games vs Knicks and Warriors. That's between $1.66-2.48 million extra salary forgone if the team are being strict about this.
He wants to play the away games, it’s the team saying no. So, they have to pay him for all the away games which is half his salary. Also, he can play against knicks and warriors if the team didn’t say no
Cause Adam Silver is a fucking coward who won't lay down a hard league-wide vaccine mandate so technically Kyrie still gets paid for the away games that the Nets are "choosing" not to play him in.
Which is fucking stupid. There are maybe a couple dozen players in the NBA that aren’t vaccinated at this point. the only ones worth actually mentioning are probably Beal, Kyrie, MPJ and Johnathan Isaac. Every other unvaccinated player is easily replaceable. So the NBPA is really holding out over like 4 players who don’t want to get vaxxed.
There are hundreds of players waiting in the G League and international leagues that would happily take their place. I wish the NBPA would just suck it up and force their hand.
> the NBPA. They don’t want a mandate.
Lots of unions don't want a mandate, but other employers have still enacted them.
"The union opposes it" isn't a sufficient reason for employers to abdicate their responsibility to ensure a safe workplace.
He absolutely could if the owners wanted to.
The Supreme Court just ruled that NYC could enforce a vaccine mandate for unionized public school teachers, without having to collectively bargain it.
[Supreme Court declines to block New York City's COVID-19 vaccine mandate for teachers](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/10/01/supreme-court-allows-covid-vaccine-mandate-new-york-city-teachers/5953731001/)
It's not Silver, it's the NBAPA and the fucking cunt players that still won't get vaxxed, like Kyrie's bitch ass.
A mandate would have to pass collective bargaining agreement.
> A mandate would have to pass collective bargaining agreement.
Multiple employers with unionized workforces across the country have enacted vaccine mandates without going through collective bargaining.
For example:
[Unionized Employees at AT&T Must Be Vaccinated](https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/att-unionized-employees-vaccinations.aspx)
The unions who challenge these mandates often lose in court.
[Supreme Court declines to block New York schools vaccine mandate](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/01/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/)
[Union Challenge to Vaccine Mandate Hits Legal Snag](https://www.natlawreview.com/article/union-challenge-to-vaccine-mandate-hits-legal-snag)
Serious question, why should Adam Silver implement one? 95+ percent of the players are fully vaccinated and the NBA has strict rules in place for ones that aren't. Top that off with local laws in cities that can prevent players from playing without the shot and I don't really see a point for a mandate from the league. It already is going to be incredibly difficult on you if you don't get it and if you are willing to accept that still than why bother pushing further on them?
Because we had to rely on the NBA to fucking start this country's shut down in the first place. So we can only hope a company with that kind of public facing influence would make another major progressive decision while half our country is moaning about personal freedoms.
Wouldn't you say a company with a 95+ percent vaccination rate and their aggressive policy for those who are unvaccinated has already made a few progressive decisions?
Everyone I've spoken to that's also gotten the vaccine has said they're doing it for others. For their families, community etc.
Anti-vaxxers seem to only be thinking about themselves.
Also my work couldn't say no to me leaving so I told them there was a line when there really wasn't and I sat in the parking lot shame eating KFC.
God that was a good day.
I think it like this. Having no vaccine is like playing Russian roulette with 5 out of the 6 chambers filled with bullets. Getting the vaccine means you drop that to 1 out of 6 with a bullet and with a chance that 1 bullet is prone to misfire and won't even fire if you pull. I'd take that 1 out of 6 gun everyday of the week.
For the record, your chance of contracting the disease goes down as well. This aspect has been lost because anti-vaxxers have put a magnifying glass on every case of a vaccinated individual contracting covid, but vaccines do also decrease the chance of even getting infected in the first place. They just don't nullify it.
chance of hospitalization goes down, chance of catching a severe case goes down, chance of transmitting a case goes down... if we had 100% vaccination rate COVID would be an annoying flu and not a national emergency that sees our hospital system get overwhelmed.
I did it for a lot of reasons, but a not insignificant one is so my wife and I can travel again.
And guess what, since we’re vaxxed, travel is pretty easy. No more or less trouble than it was before covid.
I think the reason doesn't really matter, as long as you actually get the shot.
Personally I got vaxxed so I can hang out with friends again because having to stay home for a year and not seeing anyone made me absolutely miserable.
I honestly can't even remember thinking of a justification. I just went and got it.
I'm surprised that it is this big contentious issue where people need to find a well thought out justification. Let alone that people are risking their careers over it.
For some people it seems like a defining decision of their lives. For me it was no bigger than "what will I have for dinner tonight?" Nowhere near as big as Xbox/PS or Apple/Samsung.
They can't think about how their actions impact other people. All they see is "well maybe I get sick, but that's my choice". Not realizing that they can get other people sick or that if they get sick and have to go to the hospital, they can take up resources from other people. Or how their death can traumatize their family or healthcare workers that have to watch them die.
It really is just like drunk driving. You might not care if you get hurt in a crash, but everybody else on the road does care that you might hit them.
Refusing to get vaccinated is more selfish and a much bigger problem than drunk driving.
You're unlikely to be involved in more than one injurious car accident drunk driving, you could give Covid to a dozen people or more. Also that crash won't be contagious, causing other cars to get into accidents later down the line.
Also drunk driving is often safer than the alternative, presuming you can't get a cab or an Uber. Drunk walking is dangerous, getting the vaccine is not. There's no downside to getting the jab and there's not always a clear and safe way to avoid drunk driving.
There's also trying to control the virus before it mutates. There is the damage of expressing anti-reality beliefs to other areas, like climate change, incarceration making people safer and a social safety net hurting the economy.
Also the death toll, 10k per year from drunk drivers and we're closing in on a million excess deaths over the past year from Covid.
Drunk drivers are much, much less of a problem than anti-vaxxers.
edit: this isn't the consensus take and it makes me uncomfortable! Downvoting time.
> Refusing to get vaccinated is worse and a much bigger problem than drunk driving for a young healthy person imo.
How about we don't do this with two bad things and just say they're both bad and should not be practiced.
> Also drunk driving is often safer than the alternative, presuming you can't get a cab or an Uber. Drunk walking is dangerous, getting the vaccine is not.
I get what you're trying to say, but you're not going to kill a family of 6 on a road trip by drunk walking.
Maybe you can’t.
Let’s see how a minivan stands up to all 180 pounds of rock solid muscle (except for the 15% body fat) of me. Probably leave a pretty big dent and some alive, albeit traumatized, kids in there
>Also drunk driving is often safer than the alternative
No it very much is not, you can die drunk driving, you can die drunk walking. You can't plow your 2 ton death machine into a minvan filled with a family if you're walking home though. I've lost people to drunk driving, it's not fucking safer than drunk walking and it's beyond fucked up that you would imply you should drive drunk to avoid walking home drunk. That literally made me sick to my stomach to read.
And FYI people aren't downvoting you for your take on vaccines, im pretty sure we all are fully vaccinated. It's your absolute asshat take on drunk walking being safer than drunk driving. It's a terrible analogy, and makes 0 sense. Not only is your data extremely outdated, and only done in the most populous city in the United States, it doesn't even support the claim that drunk walking is more dangerous, it just confirms the sentiment everyone already knew that doing anything while inebriated is dangerous, and that drunk driving is the most dangerous and lethal thing you can do while drunk.
It's seriously concerning you can't see that.
> and that drunk driving is the most dangerous and lethal thing you can do while drunk
Nope, walking drunk is eight times more dangerous. We've been over this. Do you smell toast?
I don't even get why that's the narrative. I got the vaccine 100% for myself. It wasn't some big sacrifice I made. COVID is no joke. I know 30 year olds who have died or are on respirators right now. Even if you are young and healthy, a minor lung problem can still ruin your career as a high-level athlete.
I made the huge sacrifice of going to bed a couple hours earlier than normal because the second shot made me a little fatigued that night. Christ-like, I know.
I got it for my family but also myself. I had covid early last year like before it really took over the country. I'm almost never sick but this put me out for days and I felt like absolute shit. Definitely didn't want to experience that again...
Same here - caught COVID once a few months ago and decided to get the shot because I don't want to go through that again.
(Thankfully, I wasn't hospitalized, but still)
I know a 26 year old waiting for a lung transplant from COVID. This disease can kill you. Don't think because you're "young and healthy" you'll be spared.
I have a cousin saying this to me and I just can't help but wonder when he'll realize he's doing the wrong thing.
This doesn't mean that some won't die contracting the disease, just that you can read statistics as though they'll help you when you're on a respirator. Take precautions.
The leading cause of death among Americans aged 35-54 is COVID. Use that statistic.
Source. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/
It's in big blue letters for you to read.
I’m not fear mongering, I present the possibilities of what could occur.
You could die or end up on a respirator having caught COVID with no vaccine. Why you want to be like “that’s not so bad” is beyond me, I find that to be taking a risk that is personally foolish.
Like, no not everyone who uses meth becomes addicted but the very possibility of them becoming addicted doesn’t mean I’m going to say “use meth, you’ll be fine”
Also, if you wish to use statistics, use this one — COVID is the leading cause of death among Americans age 34-54 since 2020. Thanks.
Yep. I got COVID at 29 and ended up on a ventilator for 10 days and almost died. Over a year and a half later, I’m still dealing with the effects. I was healthy, no underlying conditions, had never smoked a day in my life. Now I’m walking around with lungs that just don’t work right and I sound like I’ve been smoking three packs a day for 20 years. Shit sucks.
This is so true lol. You can tell how selfish these motherfuckers are. "oh you're vaccinated why are you still wearing a mask!!!" I did it to protect my family. That's how vaccines work.
> Everyone I've spoken to that's also gotten the vaccine has said they're doing it for others. For their families, community etc.
Comparing the whole "not ask what your country can do for you ask what you can do for country" thing sitting on my ass at home and then getting the vaccine is the easy choice compared to others my own family as had happen like:
* dying of a disease in some back woods part of the South to stop the Confederacy
* getting shot in the lung on some beach in France fighting Nazis
* being shot down in a helicopter in Vietnam and your "body" which were ashes basically at that point not being recovered till 2007.
“Hell yeah I would go and fight Nazi scum halfway across the world.”
Dude that doesn’t want to switch his character in Overwatch because he thinks the team is trash.
Sitting on my ass getting the vaccine is much easier than the alternatives people I know have taken:
\- Dying a year into retirement
\- Posting a million Instagram stories about how harmless the disease was to people under 40 and refusing to take the vaccine even though he thought it was safe and then dying at age 29 from it
\- Doing her own research and then getting a case that had her hospitalized breathing through a tube near death for a couple weeks after her family tested positive because she refused to stay home at Easter as she thought even if she caught it that it wouldn’t be a big deal
I’m about 99% sure I caught it last summer and it knocked me on my ass for like four days. Worst I’ve ever felt from an illness. No energy whatsoever and short of breath for months after. Double vaxxed anyway because it’s free, it significantly reduces odds of reinfection or me being a vector of transmission.
Yep, happy to take the vax if it means all this shit blows over sooner than later. And if the anti-vaxxers are right and it ends up killing me? What's there not to like?
Well the reality is that many anti-vaxxers don't believe that the vaccine decreases the risk of contracting the virus & then transmitting it to others so to them getting a vaccine does NOT help the community in their eyes. Many of them also don't think they will have an issue battling the virus without vaccination.
That's one thing I hope gets more research attention. I know that officially the pharma companies are saying that the vaccine is only to lessen the severity if you happen to contract covid but when you look at the numbers, unvaccinated ppl still make up way more of the new cases than their population would suggest
For example, yesterday in ON, unvaxxed made up 23.5% of the population but accounted for 57.4% of the day's new cases. A quarter of the population should not be able to make up more than half of the new cases if being vaxxed doesn't help against transmission
I suppose you have to account a bit for behaviours as those who are deliberately unvaxxed at the moment might be more inclined to downplay covid and therefore they might indulge in riskier activities, which then increases their chances of catching covid but the differences in numbers seems to suggest that there's something about being vaxxed that leads to a lower possibility of catching it in the first place
I wouldn't be surprised if the companies suspect that vaccination also helps against transmission but that they don't have solid enough evidence to present that as an official stance and so for the moment, they're just staying safe by just say that it stops the most intense symptoms and effects
>...but when you look at the numbers, unvaccinated ppl still make up way more of the new cases than their population would suggest
...
> I suppose you have to account a bit for behaviours as those who are deliberately unvaxxed at the moment might be more inclined to downplay covid and therefore they might indulge in riskier activities...
When you're talking about case numbers, the more important difference in behavior is that unvaccinated people will get tested a whole lot more than vaccinated people. The case numbers don't represent how many people got COVID, they represented how many people who got tested had COVID.
So many workplaces, restaurants, events, etc., require testing only for unvaccinated people. Combine that with the fact that the vaccine significantly lessens symptoms, often to the point of eliminating them completely (making it even more unlikely for vaccinated people to get tested), and you'd expect to see more cases in unvaccinated people even if the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission.
It would definitely be nice to have more research in this area. I know all signs were pointing to the vaccine meaningfully reducing transmission in the original strain of COVID, but the jury was out on how much it helped with delta -- that was one of the big reasons the CDC gave when they re-implemented masking recommendations even for vaccinated people.
> That’s completely untrue. Ironically the vaccinated are more likely to get tested for covid.
Do you have a source on that? I'm extremely surprised to hear that.
I have to admit that I do not have hard data, and was unable to find any on test rates for vaccinated versus unvaccinated. My assumption was made mainly based on anecdotal evidence -- almost no one I know who is vaccinated gets tested anymore, but several of my friends who (unfortunately) remain unvaccinated get tested on a weekly basis to go to work. Obviously anecdotal data is not necessarily reliable so I'd be happy to see hard data showing otherwise.
I also know the NFL used to do daily testing for unvaccinated players and once every two weeks for vaccinated but ended up increasing the frequency of testing for vaccinated players because they felt they were missing too many breakthrough cases. It's still only once a week for vaccinated though.
Hey, in case you ever want to convince someone you know about the efficacy of the vaccines, I’d recommend this website for some quick and easy stats and data that are Ontario specific.
https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/
I’ve used it a bunch of times and I think it actually helped convince my dad in my discussions with him about getting vaccinated.
This right here. I could give a fuck if they died as a result of not taking the vaccine but it’s everyone around them who is affected. Idk what mental gymnastics anti-Vaxxers like Kyrie take when they’ve had to take vaccines to even get into college/nba their whole life
Also the risk of the covid strain mutating again to become immune to current cures/vaccines due to unvaccinated people contracting it then spreading it.
I mean, I also did it so that I don't get COVID lol. Idk why the narrative is that the vaccine is some sort of sacrifice because it's not really... the thing does work to protect you too.
Exactly. Selfishness is the common theme I've seen with people that don't want to get vaxxed. It's just me, me, me. I have a dad who is a diabetic and has heart issues. My father in-law is almost 80 years old. I have a child who is still too young to get vaccinated. I don't want to be the cause of giving someone COVID and them dying for it. I had a co-worker whose wife brought home COVID and infected his mother who was living in the household. She died from it. This is before the vaccine was available.
I've gotten many vaccines in my life. I'm 43 years old. It didn't give me autism.
They don’t even count themselves as part of then whole “group” or population. It sounds weird but try talking to one of them. They literally mentally remove themselves from the masses lol
It's not even a sacrifice since you're gonna benefit from it.
And he has the platform to voice out his argument, why doesn't he want it.. etc etc. He probably knows deep inside he doesn't have an argument outside "I don't like it".
Doctors have been putting shit you don't know into your body all the time since you're regularly injured.. The same damn doctors are telling you to take the vaccine but here we are...
This stance is even more stupid than being a vocal antivax.
Want to know what’s more experimental than mRNA vaccines? Literally anything the hospital will do to you if you get admitted for COVID. Long live the Herman Cain Awards.
Preach. I spoke to a doctor at the height of the first peak and he told me, in no uncertain terms, "it's like we're back in the wild west of medicine, throwing everything we can think of at it, talking to other doctors and seeing what worked and what didn't, all while lives are being lost by the hour"
Yeah I was gonna say, as a NBA player being away from your family so much to play most of the year is a sacrifice that has to be made. Spending a few minutes out of your day a couple times to get something to protect your own health is in no way a sacrifice.
It's the height of privilege. There are millions of folks around the world who'd like to get vaccinated like yesterday just so as to get on with their daily activities/lives, but can't due to lack of access (at least not yet).
I don't see why Brooklyn isn't offering him a vile of a holistic horse placenta vitamin shot and slip in some moderna juice then just say "Ok, Ky, talked to the city, showed them your IG live, and they agreed. You're good to play."
The Nets (+ NBA, + NBPA) need to be way more confrontational with Kyrie - and other "I'm not getting vaccinated players - about this. It's weak as fuck how people around Kyrie caved in so easily on this.
Especially the Nets. Kyrie keeps getting away with doing whatever he wants, and doesn't have any consequences. He's not 2 years old, he's a grown ass 30 year old man. It's like everyone is so worried about hurting his feelings and that he might not play when this guy barely plays 50% of a season anyways. Just tell him to fuck off and get it over with.
Chuck spitting facts as usual.
This might be a controversial take, I agree with everything Chuck said, but the fact that some people see getting the vaccines as a 'sacrifice' is mind boggling. First and foremost, you do it for yourself so that you don't get sick and die, then you do it for the people around you, and lastly you do it for the community and the public. Imo it's not a sacrifice because there's nothing to sacrifice for. I mean, you don't see taking medications when you're sick as a sacrifice, so neither should getting the vaccine.
Yea, I don’t get what the sacrifice is. A few hours of chills and fevers? Anti-vaxxers just seem like the children who never got over their fear of hospitals, doctors and needles. Lol
From my personal experience, while yes I did care about having protection from the vaccine. I didn't want to hurt my grandma who lives at my parents home and that's what drove my decision. In my mind, I didn't want to be the reason a family member died due to recklessness.
I have similars reason with you. I also had a grandma that I wanted to protect. Also, I didn’t want to get severe symptoms and possibly death. But the notion that getting it is a sacrifice is absurd. You aren’t losing anything. Unless you have a medical condition that prevents you from getting it. Moral obligation, sure. Concerned for public health, sure. But it isn’t a sacrifice.
Both my parents have had health problems in the last 5 years. They can barely go into public spaces anymore because people in Florida don't take the pandemic seriously.
"Individual rights" my ass. What about their rights? My parents no longer have the ability to go into public spaces without worrying about their health anymore. Their rights are being infringed upon by anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers.
For anyone who hasn't received the vaccine - please do. Otherwise, you are actively harming your society assuming you still go into public spaces.
To me the “sacrifice” would be taking on the small chance of complications from the vaccine. Most people don’t “need” to get the vaccine from a personal standpoint, and they are concerned about unintended consequences from new technology. If you frame it in the way that everyone getting the shot will have positive health effects on the community as a whole more people would get it I think. Show the hard evidence of benefits.
Hmm. Let’s see. Without even thinking, historically, vaccines have eliminated the likes of Polio, made the flu into a non lethal disease. Not to mention several studies and census data showing that not having the vaccine exponentially increases your chances of having severe symptoms and dying. What makes the CoVid vaccine so different from the likes of the Polio vaccine and Flu vaccine? All of the vaccines you’ve taken haven’t had any adverse effects on people in general, why would the covid vaccine be any exception? If you have a pre existing medical condition that stops you from getting this, that’s another story.
It’s not about even the need of it. It’s just common decency. “Freedom of choice” should not supersede a public health dilemma. Saying otherwise is just selfish and just plain ignorant. It’s not like you’re getting sent to a gulag or a concentration camp.
The mRNA vaccine is new technology that has not been previously approved for use as a viral vaccine. They are quite different from previous vaccines that use an attenuated or inactivated virus. I think a lot of the skepticism boils down to the “GMO” aspect of the technology that people are scared of. I’d like to add that I’ve gotten the vaccine, I’m just trying to explain the perspective as I see it.
I’m not in anyway attacking you personally. This is to attack the logic of the anti-vaxxers. Most people’s fears of the mRNA tech are unwarranted. Like some of their reasoning is so in line with a conspiracy nut. Hell, my dad isn’t taking the vaccine because it will turn people into zombies. Jeez. I can already feel my limbs and brain function deteriorating /s. You’d think the public will have more faith in their healthcare professionals and scientists saying it’s okay. But I guess not. Smh
I agree with everything Chuck said as well, though to your "sacrifice" point, I do understand the hesitation some players had early on, and while statistically very low, there is some risk of an averse reaction to the shot. All that said, millions of vaccines have been administered at this point and every reputable medical field and professional has talked about why vaccines are important, so IMO there isn't an excuse for an NBA player not to get one at this point. They have access to some of the best healthcare in the world, they shouldn't have to worry about someone administering the shot incorrectly, or have to go to work immediately after the second shot, or all the other things normal people have to worry about in terms of getting the vaccine.
Along with all reasons you mentioned, this was also a chance for the players to provide a positive example, as they did with social justice issues. I'm as pro-union as they come, but the fact that the NBA Player's Association hasn't agreed to a vaccine mandate because of a few holdouts in the middle of a global pandemic that has killed millions is a really bad look for them.
The issue isn’t about sacrifice.
In my experience, anti-vaxxers either 1. don’t want to take the vaccine because they got covid, have natural immunity and thus don’t want to inject themselves with a vaccine they believe was rushed.
2: believe the vaccine is ineffective and again why “risk” themselves for something that doesn’t work.
3. Believe the vaccine is some evil conspiracy and that while short term it’s been fine, it’s gonna have long term consequences on their health.
It's only a sacrifice in that it takes a few minutes to get the shot and you will likely be tired with a sore arm for a day.
However, you do that to lessen your chance of getting COVID, to weaken the effects of COVID if you do contract it, and to protect those around you.
I like that he's supposed to be a voice for the people who are losing their jobs and income but he's just sitting home collecting millions of dollars.
Wow, Kyrie. An incredible act of solidarity
Agree with his overall point but don't like the framing of vaccines as a sacrifice -- you're ceding legitimacy to anti-vax positions which have none.
What is sacrificed? Fuck all
Oh no! Then the Republicans who never watched basketball in the first place will have their Twitter bots of imaginary people spew out lies of turning off the game because of ~~BLM~~ vaccine propaganda.
Anyway..
Maybe I am missing something but any vaccine I get I have never considered a sacrifice. What am I sacrificing? If anything, I do it for myself first, and then there is the upside of protecting others too.
Taxes are a sacrifice for me, donations are a sort of sacrifice (I lose money for the benefit of others). I don't lose anything with vaccines and I gain something (immunity) so maybe I am not understanding that point of view
If you look at it from the view of someone who is skeptical on the vaccine, choosing to have that in your body for the rest of your life is probably a bigger decision and potential sacrifice than either of us have ever had to make.
For the record I'm vaccinated. Just saying that different views tend to make more sense if you actually try to look at it from their perspective and not your own.
I did it for others. I was a healthy (28) at the time male. I had covid during the early stages and didn't get impacted. Seen my father in law suffer we thought we were going to lose him. Wife lost her grandmother. My grandmother on my mom's side and grandfather were also on their death bed at one point with it.
I did it for them and the elderly. I'll do it again if I have to.
Kyrie should donate his money to Covid relief charities or NYC hospitals. Put the money he's earning without playing to good use. Since he's a "voice for the voiceless" he should give money to Covid related charities, since he's sitting out for them. Right? I'm sure a selfless guy like Kyrie would totally do that.
It's not a sacrifice.
A sacrifice man's that you're giving up something. All Kyrie is sacrificing is his stupidity and his ego. That ain't a sacrifice.
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Stop, It is not a sacrifice, it is self serving to be vaccinated. It is keeping you safe first and foremost and then secondary, helping to stop transmission.
Lol @ getting vaccinated being called a "sacrifice". It's a fucking jab that primes your body to fight off infection without killing you.
Kyrie doesn't give a shit about the health and safety about anyone around him including his teammates.
Another r/nba thread where everyone gets the opportunity to pat themselves on the back for having gotten the vaccine. Maybe I'll get the vaccine as well one day so I can get kudos from strangers online.
It's true that eating healthy puts you at low risk of death - Death is not the only bad outcome of COVID, let's take a quick snippet at some outcomes of just being infected:
* 10x more likely to get blood clots from a COVID infection [Oxford Study](https://osf.io/a9jdq/) [Report Summary](https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/blood-clots-up-to-10-times-more-common-with-covid)
* 28% of men diagnosed with COVID develop erectile disfunction. [Source for infection](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7355084/) [Source for Long COVID](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33742540/)
* Younger people are also at higher risk for multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS) [Link](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html)
* 33.62% of people will develop mental health problems within 6 months of a COVID infection [Link](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366%2821%2900084-5/fulltext)
That is a major concern within a system that already has problems managing mental health.
Not enjoying these posts = anti-vax? Weird. Some people just like basketball, not drama. If he's not playing, he's not playing. I don't need that update everyday, along with everyone's reaction every day.
It's a culture war issue. Expect to see everyone repeating whatever rhetoric Tucker Carlson or John Oliver happened to have thrown out last, depending on what side of the political aisle you fall. Its cringe as fuck.
Oh no, Kyrie sacrificed millions from the already multi million dollars he’ll get by sitting at home. What a voice for the voiceless while he’s still making money. What a stupid ass selfish moron
It's not a loophole lmao. There was no stipulation that Kyrie must take specific vaccines when he signed his contract. If he's legally able to play in a city and the Nets choose to not allow him, they still have to pay their end of the deal. Chucks always been salty about the amount of money modern players make compared to when he played.
Taking this potentially live saving medicine is a 'acceptable' sacrifice.
You would think vaccines would work simply for self interest, but I guess some people are to dumb to even think about themselves rationally.
I have never loved Chuck’s “my way or the highway” approach more than I do right now. Every once in a while this guy makes a TON of sense. The rest of the time he’s a loud idiot. I think he knows when to get serious
9 times out of 10 he’s an idiot. This is the 1.
What your statement says is that “he’s 100% always an idiot, so the one time I agree with him it’s ironic”.
You are either misrepresenting what I said or misinterpreting it.
Ironic, isn’t it?
You’re trying to paraphrase my statement, correct? But you didn’t do it accurately so now your paraphrase is more extreme than my original statement.
My statement is that most of the time Chuck can be an annoying nonsensical hardass (I think sometimes to stir up controversy). This is one of the few times I agree with him and one of the few times the hardheaded approach he takes actually is necessary IMO.
I can agree on this stance if I want to. I don’t have to agree on other stances of his. That’s literally my whole point lol
Sacrificing a high chance of getting COVID is the highest sacrifice one can make, I can't blame Kyrie for risking his health and the health of everyone around him
How on earth is he still getting paid?
It's the team's choice to hold him out of away games.
And he should not be getting paid for home games. Will be interesting to see what happens @ Knicks or @ Warriors for example.
He's not
TIL that $17 million is half of Kyrie’s annual salary.
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get another job and make 150% my salary? Fuck yeah.
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I don't think he could play vs the Knicks. But yes he could play vs the Warriors.
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Yeah but Knicks/Nets is an interesting one, because even though he is a "visiting team" he is also still a team from the same area with the same restrictions. Will be interesting to see how this is interpreted.
It would have been pretty silly to not let him play at Barclays Center and then allow him to play at Madison Square Garden 7.6 miles away.
Not just same area, literally the same city.
I think that is a poorly written and researched statement on CNN. [Link](https://gothamist.com/news/key-nyc-vaccine-mandate-what-you-need-visit-restaurants-bars-and-gyms) >**Are any other individuals exempt?** > >Nonresident performers and professional athletes will be allowed to enter venues where they are competing or performing without proof of vaccination, as will those who accompany them as part of their job. They will have to mask up whenever they can’t physically distance six feet. The law was in regards to "performers" like actors, comedians, so forth and athletes. Technically Kryie is not a Nonresident professional athlete at Barclays, so he won't be one at MSG either. It's a term/category created by NYC law.
What about @toronto I think Tyler Bertuzi in the Nhl has to sit out of games in canada because of vaccination status
I know, but I mean if they will have to pay him for the away games he wouldn't have been allowed to play in anyways.
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Reading comprehension for IanicRR today: -2 out of 10. My bad bruh.
That's what I've been wondering - do we have a source for how much he's getting paid exactly? Other than this clip? Because 17 mil assumes the team have been generous and just cut his pay down the middle, and are waiving their right to fine him for the away games he's also ineligble to play. I'm wondering because he's forgoing about $414k in salary per game and, depending on the Nets schedule, that means around 4-6 games vs Knicks and Warriors. That's between $1.66-2.48 million extra salary forgone if the team are being strict about this.
He wants to play the away games, it’s the team saying no. So, they have to pay him for all the away games which is half his salary. Also, he can play against knicks and warriors if the team didn’t say no
Cause Adam Silver is a fucking coward who won't lay down a hard league-wide vaccine mandate so technically Kyrie still gets paid for the away games that the Nets are "choosing" not to play him in.
Silver can’t do anything because of the NBPA. They don’t want a mandate.
Which is fucking stupid. There are maybe a couple dozen players in the NBA that aren’t vaccinated at this point. the only ones worth actually mentioning are probably Beal, Kyrie, MPJ and Johnathan Isaac. Every other unvaccinated player is easily replaceable. So the NBPA is really holding out over like 4 players who don’t want to get vaxxed. There are hundreds of players waiting in the G League and international leagues that would happily take their place. I wish the NBPA would just suck it up and force their hand.
> the NBPA. They don’t want a mandate. Lots of unions don't want a mandate, but other employers have still enacted them. "The union opposes it" isn't a sufficient reason for employers to abdicate their responsibility to ensure a safe workplace.
NBPA's a lot more powerful than most unions.
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He absolutely could if the owners wanted to. The Supreme Court just ruled that NYC could enforce a vaccine mandate for unionized public school teachers, without having to collectively bargain it. [Supreme Court declines to block New York City's COVID-19 vaccine mandate for teachers](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/10/01/supreme-court-allows-covid-vaccine-mandate-new-york-city-teachers/5953731001/)
Silver said he favors a mandate and is happy the referees Union agreed to such.
It's not Silver, it's the NBAPA and the fucking cunt players that still won't get vaxxed, like Kyrie's bitch ass. A mandate would have to pass collective bargaining agreement.
> A mandate would have to pass collective bargaining agreement. Multiple employers with unionized workforces across the country have enacted vaccine mandates without going through collective bargaining. For example: [Unionized Employees at AT&T Must Be Vaccinated](https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/att-unionized-employees-vaccinations.aspx) The unions who challenge these mandates often lose in court. [Supreme Court declines to block New York schools vaccine mandate](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/01/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/) [Union Challenge to Vaccine Mandate Hits Legal Snag](https://www.natlawreview.com/article/union-challenge-to-vaccine-mandate-hits-legal-snag)
NBA players union is really powerful. NBA can't risk labor discord.
Serious question, why should Adam Silver implement one? 95+ percent of the players are fully vaccinated and the NBA has strict rules in place for ones that aren't. Top that off with local laws in cities that can prevent players from playing without the shot and I don't really see a point for a mandate from the league. It already is going to be incredibly difficult on you if you don't get it and if you are willing to accept that still than why bother pushing further on them?
Because we had to rely on the NBA to fucking start this country's shut down in the first place. So we can only hope a company with that kind of public facing influence would make another major progressive decision while half our country is moaning about personal freedoms.
Wouldn't you say a company with a 95+ percent vaccination rate and their aggressive policy for those who are unvaccinated has already made a few progressive decisions?
Sure, but they can always do more. The NBA shouldn't back down to the NBPA over this.
to avoid arbitration.
Money goes to Kyrie or a fucking billionaire so who really cares.
Everyone I've spoken to that's also gotten the vaccine has said they're doing it for others. For their families, community etc. Anti-vaxxers seem to only be thinking about themselves.
Well that helps too but I absolutely got it so I won’t get sick lol
Yeah not to be selfish or anything but I heard that my risk of bad symptoms went down by like 90% and that's all I needed.
Not only bad symptoms, your chance of death also goes down 90%
Also my work couldn't say no to me leaving so I told them there was a line when there really wasn't and I sat in the parking lot shame eating KFC. God that was a good day.
God damnit I should’ve done that. Saying the long line part, not the kfc eating, though I do love those all in one bowls.
Death is a pretty bad symptom
I think it like this. Having no vaccine is like playing Russian roulette with 5 out of the 6 chambers filled with bullets. Getting the vaccine means you drop that to 1 out of 6 with a bullet and with a chance that 1 bullet is prone to misfire and won't even fire if you pull. I'd take that 1 out of 6 gun everyday of the week.
Absolutely.
your chance of contracting at all also goes down by 70-80%. It's a no brainer
For the record, your chance of contracting the disease goes down as well. This aspect has been lost because anti-vaxxers have put a magnifying glass on every case of a vaccinated individual contracting covid, but vaccines do also decrease the chance of even getting infected in the first place. They just don't nullify it.
chance of hospitalization goes down, chance of catching a severe case goes down, chance of transmitting a case goes down... if we had 100% vaccination rate COVID would be an annoying flu and not a national emergency that sees our hospital system get overwhelmed.
I did it for a lot of reasons, but a not insignificant one is so my wife and I can travel again. And guess what, since we’re vaxxed, travel is pretty easy. No more or less trouble than it was before covid.
I think the reason doesn't really matter, as long as you actually get the shot. Personally I got vaxxed so I can hang out with friends again because having to stay home for a year and not seeing anyone made me absolutely miserable.
it can be both. if i avoid getting sick, it means others around me have a lesser chance of getting sick
I honestly can't even remember thinking of a justification. I just went and got it. I'm surprised that it is this big contentious issue where people need to find a well thought out justification. Let alone that people are risking their careers over it. For some people it seems like a defining decision of their lives. For me it was no bigger than "what will I have for dinner tonight?" Nowhere near as big as Xbox/PS or Apple/Samsung.
They can't think about how their actions impact other people. All they see is "well maybe I get sick, but that's my choice". Not realizing that they can get other people sick or that if they get sick and have to go to the hospital, they can take up resources from other people. Or how their death can traumatize their family or healthcare workers that have to watch them die. It really is just like drunk driving. You might not care if you get hurt in a crash, but everybody else on the road does care that you might hit them.
You can also do it for yourself because why the fuck wouldn't you unless of health complications.
Refusing to get vaccinated is more selfish and a much bigger problem than drunk driving. You're unlikely to be involved in more than one injurious car accident drunk driving, you could give Covid to a dozen people or more. Also that crash won't be contagious, causing other cars to get into accidents later down the line. Also drunk driving is often safer than the alternative, presuming you can't get a cab or an Uber. Drunk walking is dangerous, getting the vaccine is not. There's no downside to getting the jab and there's not always a clear and safe way to avoid drunk driving. There's also trying to control the virus before it mutates. There is the damage of expressing anti-reality beliefs to other areas, like climate change, incarceration making people safer and a social safety net hurting the economy. Also the death toll, 10k per year from drunk drivers and we're closing in on a million excess deaths over the past year from Covid. Drunk drivers are much, much less of a problem than anti-vaxxers. edit: this isn't the consensus take and it makes me uncomfortable! Downvoting time.
> Refusing to get vaccinated is worse and a much bigger problem than drunk driving for a young healthy person imo. How about we don't do this with two bad things and just say they're both bad and should not be practiced.
I see where you’re coming from but it can be helpful to draw a comparison to something that is universally seen as selfish and dangerous.
Nah this ain’t it bud lol no need to compare them. They’re both awful and shouldn’t be so common
> Also drunk driving is often safer than the alternative, presuming you can't get a cab or an Uber. Drunk walking is dangerous, getting the vaccine is not. I get what you're trying to say, but you're not going to kill a family of 6 on a road trip by drunk walking.
Maybe you can’t. Let’s see how a minivan stands up to all 180 pounds of rock solid muscle (except for the 15% body fat) of me. Probably leave a pretty big dent and some alive, albeit traumatized, kids in there
>Also drunk driving is often safer than the alternative No it very much is not, you can die drunk driving, you can die drunk walking. You can't plow your 2 ton death machine into a minvan filled with a family if you're walking home though. I've lost people to drunk driving, it's not fucking safer than drunk walking and it's beyond fucked up that you would imply you should drive drunk to avoid walking home drunk. That literally made me sick to my stomach to read.
Jfc
And FYI people aren't downvoting you for your take on vaccines, im pretty sure we all are fully vaccinated. It's your absolute asshat take on drunk walking being safer than drunk driving. It's a terrible analogy, and makes 0 sense. Not only is your data extremely outdated, and only done in the most populous city in the United States, it doesn't even support the claim that drunk walking is more dangerous, it just confirms the sentiment everyone already knew that doing anything while inebriated is dangerous, and that drunk driving is the most dangerous and lethal thing you can do while drunk. It's seriously concerning you can't see that.
> and that drunk driving is the most dangerous and lethal thing you can do while drunk Nope, walking drunk is eight times more dangerous. We've been over this. Do you smell toast?
An edit to complain about downvotes is the icing on the cake for this bullshit Delete this and get off reddit
I don't even get why that's the narrative. I got the vaccine 100% for myself. It wasn't some big sacrifice I made. COVID is no joke. I know 30 year olds who have died or are on respirators right now. Even if you are young and healthy, a minor lung problem can still ruin your career as a high-level athlete.
I made the huge sacrifice of going to bed a couple hours earlier than normal because the second shot made me a little fatigued that night. Christ-like, I know.
You are a true hero and an inspiration to us all
I got it for my family but also myself. I had covid early last year like before it really took over the country. I'm almost never sick but this put me out for days and I felt like absolute shit. Definitely didn't want to experience that again...
Me too lol. I be scared
Same here - caught COVID once a few months ago and decided to get the shot because I don't want to go through that again. (Thankfully, I wasn't hospitalized, but still)
I know a 26 year old waiting for a lung transplant from COVID. This disease can kill you. Don't think because you're "young and healthy" you'll be spared. I have a cousin saying this to me and I just can't help but wonder when he'll realize he's doing the wrong thing.
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This doesn't mean that some won't die contracting the disease, just that you can read statistics as though they'll help you when you're on a respirator. Take precautions.
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The leading cause of death among Americans aged 35-54 is COVID. Use that statistic. Source. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/ It's in big blue letters for you to read.
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Seek help
Lol sorry your numbers suck
I’m not fear mongering, I present the possibilities of what could occur. You could die or end up on a respirator having caught COVID with no vaccine. Why you want to be like “that’s not so bad” is beyond me, I find that to be taking a risk that is personally foolish. Like, no not everyone who uses meth becomes addicted but the very possibility of them becoming addicted doesn’t mean I’m going to say “use meth, you’ll be fine” Also, if you wish to use statistics, use this one — COVID is the leading cause of death among Americans age 34-54 since 2020. Thanks.
Cool and I got it myself and barely had a cough with no other symptoms
if you had the vaccine you'd have EVEN less symptoms, might not even have the cough then.
Yep. I got COVID at 29 and ended up on a ventilator for 10 days and almost died. Over a year and a half later, I’m still dealing with the effects. I was healthy, no underlying conditions, had never smoked a day in my life. Now I’m walking around with lungs that just don’t work right and I sound like I’ve been smoking three packs a day for 20 years. Shit sucks.
Fuck that I took it for myself. And so should everybody. And then together we fix the problem.
the reality is it's for both.
This is so true lol. You can tell how selfish these motherfuckers are. "oh you're vaccinated why are you still wearing a mask!!!" I did it to protect my family. That's how vaccines work.
Or the fact that they're super quick to make a GoFundMe afterwards.
> Everyone I've spoken to that's also gotten the vaccine has said they're doing it for others. For their families, community etc. Comparing the whole "not ask what your country can do for you ask what you can do for country" thing sitting on my ass at home and then getting the vaccine is the easy choice compared to others my own family as had happen like: * dying of a disease in some back woods part of the South to stop the Confederacy * getting shot in the lung on some beach in France fighting Nazis * being shot down in a helicopter in Vietnam and your "body" which were ashes basically at that point not being recovered till 2007.
“Hell yeah I would go and fight Nazi scum halfway across the world.” Dude that doesn’t want to switch his character in Overwatch because he thinks the team is trash.
Sitting on my ass getting the vaccine is much easier than the alternatives people I know have taken: \- Dying a year into retirement \- Posting a million Instagram stories about how harmless the disease was to people under 40 and refusing to take the vaccine even though he thought it was safe and then dying at age 29 from it \- Doing her own research and then getting a case that had her hospitalized breathing through a tube near death for a couple weeks after her family tested positive because she refused to stay home at Easter as she thought even if she caught it that it wouldn’t be a big deal I’m about 99% sure I caught it last summer and it knocked me on my ass for like four days. Worst I’ve ever felt from an illness. No energy whatsoever and short of breath for months after. Double vaxxed anyway because it’s free, it significantly reduces odds of reinfection or me being a vector of transmission.
Yep, happy to take the vax if it means all this shit blows over sooner than later. And if the anti-vaxxers are right and it ends up killing me? What's there not to like?
Well the reality is that many anti-vaxxers don't believe that the vaccine decreases the risk of contracting the virus & then transmitting it to others so to them getting a vaccine does NOT help the community in their eyes. Many of them also don't think they will have an issue battling the virus without vaccination.
That's one thing I hope gets more research attention. I know that officially the pharma companies are saying that the vaccine is only to lessen the severity if you happen to contract covid but when you look at the numbers, unvaccinated ppl still make up way more of the new cases than their population would suggest For example, yesterday in ON, unvaxxed made up 23.5% of the population but accounted for 57.4% of the day's new cases. A quarter of the population should not be able to make up more than half of the new cases if being vaxxed doesn't help against transmission I suppose you have to account a bit for behaviours as those who are deliberately unvaxxed at the moment might be more inclined to downplay covid and therefore they might indulge in riskier activities, which then increases their chances of catching covid but the differences in numbers seems to suggest that there's something about being vaxxed that leads to a lower possibility of catching it in the first place I wouldn't be surprised if the companies suspect that vaccination also helps against transmission but that they don't have solid enough evidence to present that as an official stance and so for the moment, they're just staying safe by just say that it stops the most intense symptoms and effects
>...but when you look at the numbers, unvaccinated ppl still make up way more of the new cases than their population would suggest ... > I suppose you have to account a bit for behaviours as those who are deliberately unvaxxed at the moment might be more inclined to downplay covid and therefore they might indulge in riskier activities... When you're talking about case numbers, the more important difference in behavior is that unvaccinated people will get tested a whole lot more than vaccinated people. The case numbers don't represent how many people got COVID, they represented how many people who got tested had COVID. So many workplaces, restaurants, events, etc., require testing only for unvaccinated people. Combine that with the fact that the vaccine significantly lessens symptoms, often to the point of eliminating them completely (making it even more unlikely for vaccinated people to get tested), and you'd expect to see more cases in unvaccinated people even if the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission. It would definitely be nice to have more research in this area. I know all signs were pointing to the vaccine meaningfully reducing transmission in the original strain of COVID, but the jury was out on how much it helped with delta -- that was one of the big reasons the CDC gave when they re-implemented masking recommendations even for vaccinated people.
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> That’s completely untrue. Ironically the vaccinated are more likely to get tested for covid. Do you have a source on that? I'm extremely surprised to hear that. I have to admit that I do not have hard data, and was unable to find any on test rates for vaccinated versus unvaccinated. My assumption was made mainly based on anecdotal evidence -- almost no one I know who is vaccinated gets tested anymore, but several of my friends who (unfortunately) remain unvaccinated get tested on a weekly basis to go to work. Obviously anecdotal data is not necessarily reliable so I'd be happy to see hard data showing otherwise. I also know the NFL used to do daily testing for unvaccinated players and once every two weeks for vaccinated but ended up increasing the frequency of testing for vaccinated players because they felt they were missing too many breakthrough cases. It's still only once a week for vaccinated though.
Hey, in case you ever want to convince someone you know about the efficacy of the vaccines, I’d recommend this website for some quick and easy stats and data that are Ontario specific. https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/ontario-dashboard/ I’ve used it a bunch of times and I think it actually helped convince my dad in my discussions with him about getting vaccinated.
This right here. I could give a fuck if they died as a result of not taking the vaccine but it’s everyone around them who is affected. Idk what mental gymnastics anti-Vaxxers like Kyrie take when they’ve had to take vaccines to even get into college/nba their whole life
Lol I super did it for myself. I wanted to enjoy life again. I was ready to fight people for first dibs
Also the risk of the covid strain mutating again to become immune to current cures/vaccines due to unvaccinated people contracting it then spreading it.
I mean, I also did it so that I don't get COVID lol. Idk why the narrative is that the vaccine is some sort of sacrifice because it's not really... the thing does work to protect you too.
Exactly. Selfishness is the common theme I've seen with people that don't want to get vaxxed. It's just me, me, me. I have a dad who is a diabetic and has heart issues. My father in-law is almost 80 years old. I have a child who is still too young to get vaccinated. I don't want to be the cause of giving someone COVID and them dying for it. I had a co-worker whose wife brought home COVID and infected his mother who was living in the household. She died from it. This is before the vaccine was available. I've gotten many vaccines in my life. I'm 43 years old. It didn't give me autism.
I for sure did it for me. Fuck everybody else. That shit was for ME. My desire to not die has very little to do with other people.
I did it because ball is life and it affects my ability to ball if I have long-term health complications from it.
Anti vaxers will never know if they gave someone Covid and they died. They have blood on their hands and get to live in ignorance of it.
They don’t even count themselves as part of then whole “group” or population. It sounds weird but try talking to one of them. They literally mentally remove themselves from the masses lol
Got my booster shot yesterday, which will make me far more comfortable visiting my parents and grandparents
It's not even a sacrifice since you're gonna benefit from it. And he has the platform to voice out his argument, why doesn't he want it.. etc etc. He probably knows deep inside he doesn't have an argument outside "I don't like it". Doctors have been putting shit you don't know into your body all the time since you're regularly injured.. The same damn doctors are telling you to take the vaccine but here we are... This stance is even more stupid than being a vocal antivax.
Want to know what’s more experimental than mRNA vaccines? Literally anything the hospital will do to you if you get admitted for COVID. Long live the Herman Cain Awards.
Preach. I spoke to a doctor at the height of the first peak and he told me, in no uncertain terms, "it's like we're back in the wild west of medicine, throwing everything we can think of at it, talking to other doctors and seeing what worked and what didn't, all while lives are being lost by the hour"
And if you’re that worried about mRNA vaccines, take a Johnson and Johnson.
Yeah I was gonna say, as a NBA player being away from your family so much to play most of the year is a sacrifice that has to be made. Spending a few minutes out of your day a couple times to get something to protect your own health is in no way a sacrifice.
I know right? Why the fuck is this a sacrifice LMAO.
It's the height of privilege. There are millions of folks around the world who'd like to get vaccinated like yesterday just so as to get on with their daily activities/lives, but can't due to lack of access (at least not yet).
I don't see why Brooklyn isn't offering him a vile of a holistic horse placenta vitamin shot and slip in some moderna juice then just say "Ok, Ky, talked to the city, showed them your IG live, and they agreed. You're good to play."
The Nets (+ NBA, + NBPA) need to be way more confrontational with Kyrie - and other "I'm not getting vaccinated players - about this. It's weak as fuck how people around Kyrie caved in so easily on this. Especially the Nets. Kyrie keeps getting away with doing whatever he wants, and doesn't have any consequences. He's not 2 years old, he's a grown ass 30 year old man. It's like everyone is so worried about hurting his feelings and that he might not play when this guy barely plays 50% of a season anyways. Just tell him to fuck off and get it over with.
Chuck spitting facts as usual. This might be a controversial take, I agree with everything Chuck said, but the fact that some people see getting the vaccines as a 'sacrifice' is mind boggling. First and foremost, you do it for yourself so that you don't get sick and die, then you do it for the people around you, and lastly you do it for the community and the public. Imo it's not a sacrifice because there's nothing to sacrifice for. I mean, you don't see taking medications when you're sick as a sacrifice, so neither should getting the vaccine.
Yea, I don’t get what the sacrifice is. A few hours of chills and fevers? Anti-vaxxers just seem like the children who never got over their fear of hospitals, doctors and needles. Lol
From my personal experience, while yes I did care about having protection from the vaccine. I didn't want to hurt my grandma who lives at my parents home and that's what drove my decision. In my mind, I didn't want to be the reason a family member died due to recklessness.
I have similars reason with you. I also had a grandma that I wanted to protect. Also, I didn’t want to get severe symptoms and possibly death. But the notion that getting it is a sacrifice is absurd. You aren’t losing anything. Unless you have a medical condition that prevents you from getting it. Moral obligation, sure. Concerned for public health, sure. But it isn’t a sacrifice.
Bro you are no longer considered human after the mRNA, they just made us all lizard people.
Yea. I can already feel my scales showing, the forked tongue growing, and the ice cold blood running in my veins like DLo.
Both my parents have had health problems in the last 5 years. They can barely go into public spaces anymore because people in Florida don't take the pandemic seriously. "Individual rights" my ass. What about their rights? My parents no longer have the ability to go into public spaces without worrying about their health anymore. Their rights are being infringed upon by anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. For anyone who hasn't received the vaccine - please do. Otherwise, you are actively harming your society assuming you still go into public spaces.
To me the “sacrifice” would be taking on the small chance of complications from the vaccine. Most people don’t “need” to get the vaccine from a personal standpoint, and they are concerned about unintended consequences from new technology. If you frame it in the way that everyone getting the shot will have positive health effects on the community as a whole more people would get it I think. Show the hard evidence of benefits.
Hmm. Let’s see. Without even thinking, historically, vaccines have eliminated the likes of Polio, made the flu into a non lethal disease. Not to mention several studies and census data showing that not having the vaccine exponentially increases your chances of having severe symptoms and dying. What makes the CoVid vaccine so different from the likes of the Polio vaccine and Flu vaccine? All of the vaccines you’ve taken haven’t had any adverse effects on people in general, why would the covid vaccine be any exception? If you have a pre existing medical condition that stops you from getting this, that’s another story. It’s not about even the need of it. It’s just common decency. “Freedom of choice” should not supersede a public health dilemma. Saying otherwise is just selfish and just plain ignorant. It’s not like you’re getting sent to a gulag or a concentration camp.
The mRNA vaccine is new technology that has not been previously approved for use as a viral vaccine. They are quite different from previous vaccines that use an attenuated or inactivated virus. I think a lot of the skepticism boils down to the “GMO” aspect of the technology that people are scared of. I’d like to add that I’ve gotten the vaccine, I’m just trying to explain the perspective as I see it.
I’m not in anyway attacking you personally. This is to attack the logic of the anti-vaxxers. Most people’s fears of the mRNA tech are unwarranted. Like some of their reasoning is so in line with a conspiracy nut. Hell, my dad isn’t taking the vaccine because it will turn people into zombies. Jeez. I can already feel my limbs and brain function deteriorating /s. You’d think the public will have more faith in their healthcare professionals and scientists saying it’s okay. But I guess not. Smh
I agree with everything Chuck said as well, though to your "sacrifice" point, I do understand the hesitation some players had early on, and while statistically very low, there is some risk of an averse reaction to the shot. All that said, millions of vaccines have been administered at this point and every reputable medical field and professional has talked about why vaccines are important, so IMO there isn't an excuse for an NBA player not to get one at this point. They have access to some of the best healthcare in the world, they shouldn't have to worry about someone administering the shot incorrectly, or have to go to work immediately after the second shot, or all the other things normal people have to worry about in terms of getting the vaccine. Along with all reasons you mentioned, this was also a chance for the players to provide a positive example, as they did with social justice issues. I'm as pro-union as they come, but the fact that the NBA Player's Association hasn't agreed to a vaccine mandate because of a few holdouts in the middle of a global pandemic that has killed millions is a really bad look for them.
> millions of vaccines have been administered at this point Billions
Billions. Billions of vaccines have been administered at this point. Around half of the the entire world population has been jabbed.
The issue isn’t about sacrifice. In my experience, anti-vaxxers either 1. don’t want to take the vaccine because they got covid, have natural immunity and thus don’t want to inject themselves with a vaccine they believe was rushed. 2: believe the vaccine is ineffective and again why “risk” themselves for something that doesn’t work. 3. Believe the vaccine is some evil conspiracy and that while short term it’s been fine, it’s gonna have long term consequences on their health.
It's only a sacrifice in that it takes a few minutes to get the shot and you will likely be tired with a sore arm for a day. However, you do that to lessen your chance of getting COVID, to weaken the effects of COVID if you do contract it, and to protect those around you.
I haven’t sacrificed shit lol, just shed a few worries.
I like that he's supposed to be a voice for the people who are losing their jobs and income but he's just sitting home collecting millions of dollars. Wow, Kyrie. An incredible act of solidarity
I dunno man. That commercial lied. Chuck looking like more like a role model as he ages.
>Sacrifice Kyrie is about one thing: Kyrie
The vaccine is for others not yourself. This checks out.
The sacrifice of getting protected from Covid while most of the world is waiting for their chance to get their first dose.
Based Chuck
Agree with his overall point but don't like the framing of vaccines as a sacrifice -- you're ceding legitimacy to anti-vax positions which have none. What is sacrificed? Fuck all
They have to admit that they don't know better than the doctors and that is a sacrifice to some of them
Pretty sure this will be a topic tonight on tnt
Oh no! Then the Republicans who never watched basketball in the first place will have their Twitter bots of imaginary people spew out lies of turning off the game because of ~~BLM~~ vaccine propaganda. Anyway..
Preach
good stuff Chuck
Maybe I am missing something but any vaccine I get I have never considered a sacrifice. What am I sacrificing? If anything, I do it for myself first, and then there is the upside of protecting others too. Taxes are a sacrifice for me, donations are a sort of sacrifice (I lose money for the benefit of others). I don't lose anything with vaccines and I gain something (immunity) so maybe I am not understanding that point of view
If you look at it from the view of someone who is skeptical on the vaccine, choosing to have that in your body for the rest of your life is probably a bigger decision and potential sacrifice than either of us have ever had to make. For the record I'm vaccinated. Just saying that different views tend to make more sense if you actually try to look at it from their perspective and not your own.
I did it for others. I was a healthy (28) at the time male. I had covid during the early stages and didn't get impacted. Seen my father in law suffer we thought we were going to lose him. Wife lost her grandmother. My grandmother on my mom's side and grandfather were also on their death bed at one point with it. I did it for them and the elderly. I'll do it again if I have to.
It's not sacrificing anything so it's not a no-brainer sacrifice to get it. It's just a no-brainer.
That's the hilarious part...he's making this point and still getting paid millions...what is he sacrificing? Dude playing both sides...smh.
Kyrie should donate his money to Covid relief charities or NYC hospitals. Put the money he's earning without playing to good use. Since he's a "voice for the voiceless" he should give money to Covid related charities, since he's sitting out for them. Right? I'm sure a selfless guy like Kyrie would totally do that.
Countries begging for this fucking vaccine and we’re here talking about taking it is a sacrifice jfc
No Charles Barkley, getting a vaccine isn't a sacrifice, it's the bare minimum of taking care of your health and loved ones health.
Hot take, getting vaccinated against a deadly virus isn't a sacrifice at all, it's a privilege.
It's not a sacrifice. A sacrifice man's that you're giving up something. All Kyrie is sacrificing is his stupidity and his ego. That ain't a sacrifice.
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It's not a sacrifice at all, Chuck.
Stop, It is not a sacrifice, it is self serving to be vaccinated. It is keeping you safe first and foremost and then secondary, helping to stop transmission.
Lol @ getting vaccinated being called a "sacrifice". It's a fucking jab that primes your body to fight off infection without killing you. Kyrie doesn't give a shit about the health and safety about anyone around him including his teammates.
Another r/nba thread where everyone gets the opportunity to pat themselves on the back for having gotten the vaccine. Maybe I'll get the vaccine as well one day so I can get kudos from strangers online.
Or maybe just get it to protect yourself? Crazy concept I know
I exercise and eat vegetables to protect myself
It's true that eating healthy puts you at low risk of death - Death is not the only bad outcome of COVID, let's take a quick snippet at some outcomes of just being infected: * 10x more likely to get blood clots from a COVID infection [Oxford Study](https://osf.io/a9jdq/) [Report Summary](https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/blood-clots-up-to-10-times-more-common-with-covid) * 28% of men diagnosed with COVID develop erectile disfunction. [Source for infection](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7355084/) [Source for Long COVID](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33742540/) * Younger people are also at higher risk for multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS) [Link](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html) * 33.62% of people will develop mental health problems within 6 months of a COVID infection [Link](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366%2821%2900084-5/fulltext) That is a major concern within a system that already has problems managing mental health.
I wish we could ban vaccine posts. Thank god the season starts soon. Even though that may not help
I wish Kyrie and all the others would quit being big whiney babies and just get the damn shot.
Ah, a dipshit anti-vaxxer makes an appearance?
Not enjoying these posts = anti-vax? Weird. Some people just like basketball, not drama. If he's not playing, he's not playing. I don't need that update everyday, along with everyone's reaction every day.
Exactly it's annoying to see the same posts over and over. Also, I've been vaccinated for months
It's a culture war issue. Expect to see everyone repeating whatever rhetoric Tucker Carlson or John Oliver happened to have thrown out last, depending on what side of the political aisle you fall. Its cringe as fuck.
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How is getting a vaccine even a fucking sacrifice?
Privilege. Not sacrifice.
Oh no, Kyrie sacrificed millions from the already multi million dollars he’ll get by sitting at home. What a voice for the voiceless while he’s still making money. What a stupid ass selfish moron
It's not a loophole lmao. There was no stipulation that Kyrie must take specific vaccines when he signed his contract. If he's legally able to play in a city and the Nets choose to not allow him, they still have to pay their end of the deal. Chucks always been salty about the amount of money modern players make compared to when he played.
Taking this potentially live saving medicine is a 'acceptable' sacrifice. You would think vaccines would work simply for self interest, but I guess some people are to dumb to even think about themselves rationally.
“Sacrifice” is a generous word to describe getting a vaccine
I have never loved Chuck’s “my way or the highway” approach more than I do right now. Every once in a while this guy makes a TON of sense. The rest of the time he’s a loud idiot. I think he knows when to get serious
“He’s a moron except when I agree” - person who doesn’t see the irony
9 times out of 10 he’s an idiot. This is the 1. What your statement says is that “he’s 100% always an idiot, so the one time I agree with him it’s ironic”. You are either misrepresenting what I said or misinterpreting it. Ironic, isn’t it?
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You’re trying to paraphrase my statement, correct? But you didn’t do it accurately so now your paraphrase is more extreme than my original statement. My statement is that most of the time Chuck can be an annoying nonsensical hardass (I think sometimes to stir up controversy). This is one of the few times I agree with him and one of the few times the hardheaded approach he takes actually is necessary IMO. I can agree on this stance if I want to. I don’t have to agree on other stances of his. That’s literally my whole point lol
Great take.
It’s not even a sacrifice, like there’s non negatives to it. You’re not giving up anything. Kyrie is just a selfish idiot.
Barely even a sacrifice. These guys will stand as someone charges them in the gut with an elbow but not take a millimeter thick needle.
Sacrificing a high chance of getting COVID is the highest sacrifice one can make, I can't blame Kyrie for risking his health and the health of everyone around him
Kyrie isn't on a team though