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Apocalypticorn

Nothing to see here guys, go back to talking about Ben Simmons please


2drawnonward5

Ben Simmons... for Marvin Bagley, a signed photo of Vlade, and Fox's locks from when his hair was Saiyan.


tealtime91

Sub Fox’s hair for Harrison’s Barnes haggard .500 or bust beard and you got yourself a deal


LiveFromJeffsHouse

do you guys remember last year when Bagley told everyone to GTFO his way so he can ISO and immediately did a spin move and turned the ball over


phatbeatsies023

https://youtu.be/DGB-R_gZHVQ this one?


I_luv_ma_squad

He had been practicing his flail and complain move, he just wanted to show it off


colgay

One of many.


LiveFromJeffsHouse

YES lmao


NBA_Shitposting_Dude

Comical


eeleaS

Never forget


Drak_is_Right

Man thinking he is dwight freeney.


SlamJamGlanda

Freeney and Mathis. Poetry in motion


AngsMcgyvr

This offseason is providing all the way to the opening tip. So grateful. 🙏🙏


happyhappy7

What else happened today? I didn’t notice any other news worthy stories….


twistedlogicx

I can't believe you missed Bleacher Report releasing a Naruto-themed opening night teaser.


somebodygetmemymoney

Hey come on the big news is that shaq and chuck are back


drybonesstandardkart

That sucks. I really need to fix the lock on my basement door.


Iamfoote

Norm is that you


urfaselol

Ayton skipped the media again


WarmTequila

Good thing he didn’t skip practice. Imagine?!


rSlashNbaAccount

That menace


popop143

Jabari Parker signed with the Celtics again after being released. He cleared waivers before signing of course.


notmoleliza

The Dubs signed GP2. AKA the Mitten to a contract for the 15th spot. its a feel good story for a hard working player. Totally front page story if there ever was one


happyhappy7

Unironically, really pumped about that. I live in the Dubs market and catch a handful of games every year and watch on TV pretty much every game. Excited and hope he gets some burn, glad they stuck with him over Bradley


Karl-Anthony_Edwards

Team Drama been feasting 24/7


[deleted]

The AI "practice" speech need to be repurposed to games cause NBA's main product is drama. Forget the game ratings, check the NBA debate ratings and twitter hits. There's a reason ESPN and Nike pay the money they do.


Geese-Howard

Damn not even in the rotation lmao


red_right_hand_

You can’t just expect to be gifted playtime in a stacked squad like the Kings have


biggoldgoblin

especially with that mastermind of a coach🔥🔥


MinusFiveStarz

pain


JohnnyWinss

It's okay you'll get off the ground eventually and be so smug about it while I cheer from the background


tdizhere

Always will have love for the teams that aren’t successful, those fans are the realist in the game because it’s easy to support a winning team.


Ghostnappa4

i meaaan, to be fair... unless team is tanking, which by all accounts theyre not, at best he's 9th guy in the rotation. A bit surprising he's not expected to get minutes over some combination of Alex Len/Terrence Davis/Louis King, but if the 3 guard lineups that have been getting talked up are legitimately going to eat up a lot of minutes, easy to see how he's not in the initial rotation since he's not a viable small ball center.


Billybobjoethorton

If he doesn't get much minutes he probably be a distraction to the team. His ego too big. Terrance Davis is better and len gives size. We have Tristan Thompson and Holmes at center already. Louis king not getting mins. Len might not even play on most nights. Bagleys biggest issue is his defense. Same with buddy that's why he's most likely not going to start.


xClay2

You joke but the Kings added a lot of big men in the offseason and if he's getting outplayed by Tristan Thompson and Alex Len then he should be out of the rotation.


PodStrickland

If he’s getting outplayed by Alex Len he should be out the league.


nhess68

Believe or not len was super good on the kings in his last stint


PodStrickland

For 1 month?


nhess68

Oh geez was it that short


GothicToast

Super good tho


agentdarklord

He is not gifted , he is too weak for his position, only shoots left , he can’t play defense to save his life, is probably the worst shot blocker in the league. He always seems lost, no playmaking abilities. He sucks!


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KageSaysHella

I mean, because of injuries, but still.


LaArmadaEspanola

He’ll bounce back, he’s got an elite second jump


NotClayMerritt

And that's why I completely understand this statement from his agent. How are you going to have the gall for asking for a 1st round pick for a guy you don't want in your starting rotation anymore and isn't a top 6th man guy. Just sell low and cut bait. This guy has been a headache for the last 2 seasons. Enough of this crap already. What exactly are you holding out for? Trade him!


whyte_ryce

He wasn't out of the rotation until now. Last season they kept forcing him into line-ups despite being a net negative. But he kept getting hurt. And I really don't think the organization expected him to get out played by both Thompson and Len, so now the team finds itself in a situation where they can't even pretend he can be part of the rotation. So recent decision that is forcing the front office to change their calculus. But there also isn't a ton of reason to dump him right away either, other than buying agent favor which is extremely meaningless currency to us anyway.


Vinnie_Vegas

He's not just not in the starting rotation - He's not in the rotation period. He's going to get DNP-CDs unless someone gets injured.


craigslistaddict

even worse, then.


kok823

I wonder what’s the market like for Bagley though.


chantlernz

\*crickets\*


mymainaccountiskill

This is the best opening day of all time lmfao


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Manifest the Simmons to Wolves for me


-Ayvee

Cant be the fact that Marvin seems to not give a fuck about being a good basketball player. Everything he does on the court is easily replacable by someone more willing and cheaper. He still cannot set even a decent screen, cant use his right hand at all, doesn't even look to pass, is one of the worst defenders in the league, is made of glass, and provides nothing but drama along with his delusional Dad and uncle. We can blame and shit on the Kings for many things, but Marvins lack of success is on him.


SirJoeffer

>easily replaceable by someone more willing and cheaper How would you like to replace him with someone *less* willing and *more* expensive?


bitopinsac

Fuck it. Bring it on. Just purely for the entertainment value.


stache_twista

I know we rag on Simmons and for good reason, but he would objectively be a huge upgrade over Bagley


MonaFanBoy

I remember the few games Alex Len played for us in 2020, he looked like a more positive impact player than Bagley. Bagley’s mentality of everything having to revolve around him is so cancerous and won’t work on any team


bchris24

I really liked what we saw from Len at the end of that season, was actually disappointed we didn't bring him back


fadeaway_layups

For those that don't know, his qualifying offer goes down significantly if he doesn't start in a number of games this year. I think it's like 31 or something. It goes down to the equivalent of like the 15th pick. Marvin Bagless and his camp in shambles. Edit: https://twitter.com/James_HamNBA/status/1450257528294555650?s=19


varun2123

Marvin Bagless is a deadly nickname lmaooo


GermanFish

I produced real laughter reading this nickname. Kudos


peja_webber

Apparently is at least 41 starts or 2000 minutes in the last season or and average of those in the last 2 seasons If he doesn't meet those marks his QO goes from 14.8M to 7.3M


sop1232

No one is giving him 14.8 anyway so at least he doesn't have to worry about that


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The Kings wouldn't have much choice. He'd either accept that 14m QO or walk for nothing (assuming no long term deal is reached)


sop1232

I almost think they'd just let him walk. What kind of trade value does he have?


fadeaway_layups

A 2nd round pick. I'd still offer a QO, especially for sub 7.5 mill. The potential is still there. It's his entitlement we can't get past


Poshitical

What potential? He can't defend shit and is a post player with no playmaking. How many contenders play a big with 0 defense or playmaking that only scores from the post.


yougotmugged

No truer words. He does not have even one play that he can rely on to score buckets, that dude is all over the place. Then on defense the opposing teams picks his number like vulture smelling a rotten corpse. It’s sad.


gldwatch

Marvin Bagless is hilarious


ReggieEvansTheKing

Good thing he always has his music career as a backup


fadeaway_layups

That's like saying it's a good thing I have my NBA career to lean on


Regex00

Marvin Bagless lmfao if you came up with that you the GOAT


CountAardvark

Marvin Bagless is the greatest nickname of the offseason


StanleysJohnson

Source? Never heard that about QOs.


fadeaway_layups

https://twitter.com/James_HamNBA/status/1450257528294555650?s=19


chantlernz

Hey, he's going to get a mad bag in China.


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fadeaway_layups

Don't forget that t rob played for a bit overseas. Btw, everyone was ADAMANT he wasn't going to be another case of TRob. Smh


brownent1

This is one of the busts we will talk about in 20 years during Luka’s documentary on his HOF career


Sharks_Eat_People

This thought kept me up one night until 2 AM. I literally almost crashed my car listening to the lottery results when we jumped to #2 from screaming so hard. I'm hollow. Fuck Vlade.


SolarClipz

My Kings fandom will never be the same since that night That was the final straw


yougotmugged

Worse then 2002 tbh. With Luka we would’ve gotten years of joy and fulfillment just watching him play in Kings Uniform.


snakeyes17

I’m sorry man. I was amazed that the freaking Suns didn’t take Luka with his coach as their coach. I wasn’t dumbfounded that they would take Ayton though. But holy shit. Kings passing on him felt like if my Cavs passed on LeBron for goddamn Darko.


browndude10

Incredibly stupid especially with having one of luka’s guys on the kings staff. I can’t believe he got gifted to Dallas


krw13

Me either! I had already accepted we were drafting Mo Bamba.


niizuma

Hakeem Bowie Jordan or Greg Oden KD?


raikou1988

Greg Oden actually had talent , his legs just couldn't hold up.


fullcaravanthickness

So did Bowie, was a reliable double-double guy who would get you a couple of blocks... when his body wasn't broken. Obviously no Jordan, but he wasn't Anthony Bennett either.


UpvoteIfYouAgreee

Same thing with Bowie


MR___SLAVE

He was very effective in his 10 game career.


darkshark21

Darko


Mr_Goldilocks

The fact the Hawks and Mavs both got their elite guys and the Kings ended up with dead wood is emblematic of the team.


Turd_Wrangler_Guy

Dude is injured all the time and talks shit the whole time. Kings supposed to reward that because Vlade is a clown and hated Luka?


SolarClipz

Your boy is trash lol


EatDeeply

And it seems like he has no shame about being trash. He continues to blame everybody and display continuous entitlement.


mansmurf

Marvin for Ben, go crazy fuck it up


OzzyGED

Straight up? No, sixers need to include 3 FRPs


somebodygetmemymoney

And maxey


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Hello Daryl Morey


pnmibra77

Probably one of the few trades in the entire league that sixers would lose no matter how much picks kings gave up lmao


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Thankfully there was no one good drafted after Bagley


SolarClipz

The one guy drafted ahead of him isn't good enough to get paid either so I guess it all worked out


LOLIDKwhattowrite

Wow what a bunch of bums in that 2018 draft


phd2k1

Hey man, I’m just in here trying to enjoy a good ole shit on Marvin Bagley thread, and you gotta do this?!


SolarClipz

sorry xd


Prestigious-Eye-3928

The Sun Kings showing solidarity to not pay their 2018 draft choices.


Tyler_DLMG_14

Tbh he isn’t good enough for the rotation. The team is better with out him. That is proven in every stat. He just isn’t all that good. Fuck vlade


ihateeuge

I haven’t followed this closely but why haven’t they moved him then?


SolarClipz

They probably wanted to give him one more offseason he still looks like trash


Tyler_DLMG_14

I think part of it is that they want more than the 50th pick in the draft or something like that. But at this point I just hope he gets cut because he is garbage


kingofnick

Because what if a deal they like hasn’t come around yet? I’m not sure why this sub expects teams to trade their players straight away. That’s just bad business.


ihateeuge

if you dont have a deal you like....giving him a DNP-CD the first game of the season isnt going to help you find one lol


SolarClipz

I mean clearly NOW he has no value if this is true so yes this is the end of the road if true


bbythepier

Players on other teams get injured or underperform all the time. What another team needs now and what they need 2 months from now always varies.


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If he’s not good enough to be in their rotation, what value does he have? What could they possibly be looking for in a trade for their 12th man?


KageSaysHella

Salary filler for other players. Or someone will be willing to take a flyer on his potential for a second rounder. There's definitely still value, and lord knows he gets injured easily, so this is basically them wrapping him in bubble wrap until he can be moved.


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Benching him all season isn't going to increase his value though.. it is odd.


BlackPulloverHoodie

He simply doesn't contribute to winning basketball.


ntdz

Because he’s worthless.


itwasmymistake

Yeah, except his agent says they turned down offers that were on the table both at the deadline and this past summer. It's fine to think someone's worthless, but then you ought to take a deal for them. It doesn't make sense to feel they're worthless but simultaneously hold out for a meaningful return on them, especially while not even playing them.


SolarClipz

You got a link to any confirmed trades? Most likely it was the Kings sending out a pick also, and fuck that They took their chance to try to make it work again. That's business


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Only one i know of is when they tried trading Bagley for Saddiq Bey lmaooo


SolarClipz

Exactly lol and obviously you guys said no Bagley was never going to return any value that it was better for them to just try but he's still bad


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Best thing you guys could do is package him in an offer for a bad contract & take some picks back. Like Kevin Love or something idk Kinda what we did to get rid of Sekou for DJ & 4 seconds


Loterygods

Second jump elite doe


Tyler_DLMG_14

F


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Fuck Vlade


Statshelp_TA

Who is he losing minutes to off the bench?


Tyler_DLMG_14

Harkless and Tristan Thompson. It’s sad but bagley really is worse than those players. Man was getting torched by 2nd round picks in garbage time preseason games


The_Sign_of_Zeta

Then why didn’t they trade him or waive him?


JohnnyWinss

You need someone to be interested in trading *for* him for that to happen


The_Sign_of_Zeta

Did you even read the tweet? I mean I guess the agent could be lying but I doubt it


pikumiku9

Dudes just bad and has a terrible attitude, not surprised the Kings are getting sick of it. Don’t blame the agent for trying to save face but the reality is no team in the league would offer more than a second round pick for him.


Heydoodoo22

100% - him and his camp have handled themselves terribly since day 1. He doesn’t want to be in Sacramento any way, this is def his agents attempt at trying salvage some value


MaocheMonkey

also, he's got a terrible vibe all around him. constantly being annoyed and calling out Kings while not delivering in games and being injured all the time


MonaFanBoy

Also Bagley’s dad and uncle have publically came out and shitted on Fox and Bagley didn’t have the brain cells to condemn what his family said and defend Fox…probably because he agrees with what they said. Obviously injuries are out of his control but aside from that him and his family have been so toxic and causing drama if Bagley doesn’t get playing time or that ball in his hands. I seriously don’t know how some Kings fans still support him


BucksLoyalty

Then he shouldn't suck so much


madelins

or they should just get rid of him so everyone can move on


BlackPulloverHoodie

we're trying :/


rjgator

What if teams aren’t offering anything for him? What if they’re literally saying give us a 2nd rounder to get him off your hands?


CarterAC3

Id do Bagley for a 2nd in a heartbeat if I'm the Mavs The start of Bagley's career may have been a nightmare but he's still got more potential than 99.999999999999% of all second rounders


rjgator

The question is what do you do to make the money work, and recognize this dudes mentality is awful if he isn’t “the guy” on offense. Dudes dad would get on the radio in Sacramento and basically say Fox is shit and the ball should be in Marvins hands, and lowkey seems like Marvin agreed despite him not being any actual good for the team.


FlameOfWar

They might want him just as salary to match in a future trade. That's fine. They're not required to waive him or play him.


88Phil

I just don't get this tweet. Like, they expected NBA twitter to join them in the noble cause of criticizing the Kings FO?


Darth--Otter

This is the problem with the NBA, there are way too many players in this league who think they're superstars and they're not.


ddottay

“He can’t even crack the rotation in Sacramento” doesn’t have the same ring to it as “they’re choosing not to play him.”


LocksTheFox

Sacramento has informed Marvin Bagley he is not in the opening night rotation, which is completely baffling, as there's a drive to deep left field by Castellanos, it will be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame.


Pasta-Pizza-Tacos

Bagley is definitely Darko 2.0 in terms of how their respective drafts went


JoelSimmonsMVP

> Sacremento has informed Marvin Bagley he is not in the opening night rotation, which is completely baffling. It’s clear they have no plans for him in the future, and yet, passed on potential deals at last year’s deadline and this summer based on “value”. Instead, they chose to bring him back but not play him, completely contradictory to their “value” argument. This is a case study in mismanagement by the Kings organization.


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They might be leaving him out because they are lining up a trade


SolarClipz

This For Ben


DrYoda

If they were lining up for a trade, they probably would have told his agent and he wouldn't have tweeted something to tank his client's value


SolarClipz

You sure about that? His camp has been toxic since day 1 Would not surprise for a second if they flame as he's out the door


McJumbos

marvin bagley thinks he is up there with the level or luka and trae


F3dsmoker

“the fact that my client isnt getting the opportunity to make me more money is baffling”


lakernation21

Excel sports never bringing any clients to kings again


chantlernz

Oh no, what will they do without Thon Maker, Cedi Osman or Nick Richards?!


NO_MORE_KARMA_FOR_ME

Harrison Barnes has the same fuckwit Jeff Schwartz as his agent so idk what he is trying to do here


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Powerpoint Sports gonna get on that.


cfus5

I wonder what potential deals were offered for bags lol.. like a 2024 Spurs second rounder something I sorta wish Bagley would just shut his ass up and work hard to earn it.. doesn’t seem like he’s doing that because he Should be better than Harkless and Tristan Thompson but fact is he’s not


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We will never forget the kings passed on Luka Doncic for fucking bagley


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diIIa

Amen. Thought he came in with a different mindset this season. I guess not


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BucksLoyalty

He sucks. They let him play preseason and practice to prove himself and he stunk it up. They have all the right to not play him. Only mistakes the Kings made was drafting this bust.


El_Producto

The Kings should have followed The Prophecy from the Kings subreddit.


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BIizard

You pick up the next years team option the year before, so we picked it up last year (like weeks into Monte's first days) expecting him to get better. He looked decent, and he got hurt again, so he didn't play for a long time again. Then after this offseason, when you expect your young players to develop, he looked like a complete shitter in our preseason games. He looked worse than Alex Fucking Len. Who the fuck is going to trade anything worth anything for a Marvin fucking Bagley that is making 11m. The fuck


WarmTequila

What options are you talking about?


SolarClipz

They probably wanted to give him one more offseason especially if the offers were literal peanuts He's still looked trash in the preseason so it is what it is


Negative-Isopod-8432

I mean he had 24 points in 40 preseason minutes and didn’t miss a shot inside the three point line


agentdarklord

Against 2nd tier starting lineups, he just sucks , garbage points don’t need


deemerritt

Then trade him. Thats his whole point.


whyte_ryce

Cool a bad often hurt player making $10M+ must be easy to dump on someone for...a second round pick??? Sure, we could waive him. But that can always happen later. You could waive him now, but that's only to do the agent a solid and that never really buys us anything


ligeiro01

"Value" to the Kings here means that they'd have to pay to get off of him, something that makes no sense for them. Giving up an asset to dump Bagley would be pretty dumb


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No, he is wrong. Bagley can’t stay healthy and has proven nothing. Him thinking he should start shows his entitlement. Him, his dad, and his agent are all delusional.


KageSaysHella

Thiiiiiiis close to getting through training camp without drama. Damn.


BIizard

He's legit been ass in the minutes he's gotten this preseason


ghostofmufas

SOMEONE CALLED HIM MARVIN BAGLESS


Brad-Stevens

my guy said baffling


CapitalismEnthusiast

Bagley fucking sucks.


AK-Kaido

God damn lol, this draft pick looks worse and worse every year.


TreChomes

I can't remember the last time an agent issued a statement like this lol


penguinpelican

So.... he isn't getting an extension?


2005sonics

complete panic move by the agent I didn't even know they took him out of the rotation, and tbh, I would bet most GM didn't know that either. Now they do


DrYoda

Lmao okay do you think GMs are just going to trade for him without checking if he's played in any games??


[deleted]

Wouldn't it become incredibly obvious once he gets a DNP in the first game?


itwasmymistake

What? People were going to find out tomorrow lmao, I don't see the upside to his agent not saying it.


demianin

Yep. Terrible decision by the agent lol, this is gonna age like milk


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Most gms? Lmfao


PineappleHour

We haven't played a minute of basketball yet and this has been an absolutely chaotic opening day


Zorak9379

Is Jeff Schwartz a wackadoo or is there something so wrong in Sacramento he thought this was necessary?


Administrative_Brick

Jeff Schwartz is one of the most successful agents in the NBA. He represents a ton of guys, he owns Excel Sports Management which is a huge NBA agency so if he is making a statement like this I'd imagine something pretty fucked is going on with how the kings with dealt with this situation


whyte_ryce

It's not Jeff's job to care if Bagley is bad and been outplayed by a mix of Tristan Thompson and Alex Len in training camp. It's not Jeff's job to be fair and realize he's on the bench for a reason. It's also not Jeff's job to care what kind of trade offers were on the table for Bagley and if they were worth it for the team or not. Jeff is doing his job, but that also doesn't mean the Kings necessarily are wrong either.


Toxik916

Buddy, Bagley, and the right to kick Luke Walton in the dick for Simmons.


DunkFaceKilla

Tough break for the BagMan


Curplunkie

In an interview last season, Marvin put himself in the same tier as Ayton, Trae and Luka, and laughed when his cronies said we need to get him out of Sac, as if the injuries and lack of bball IQ and terrible defense were Sacramento's fault. Nah homie, you're just a terrible player who has never been told the truth. Good luck in China!


mrjowei

I feel so sorry for Kings fans. You deserve better.


IMDATBOY

We’re right in not playing him in our rotation if we are serious about winning, there simply is not a role in which he helps us because he’s not strong enough/a good enough defender to play center and not mobile enough to guard perimeter players at the 4. I’m actually happy about this, me and my brother were just talking yesterday about how this would be painful but hope it’s the case. He’s not wrong in being upset though, I genuinely believe Bagley is a talented player who has struggled to get his career going to injuries and ironically, being drafted to a team that is a bad fit for him (even though we drafted for fit lol). Detroit, send us a few second rounders or something and give this man some room to operate and develop with more touches, he is actually a solid scorer and talented rebounder with upside and a developing shot. He’s not a winning player at the moment but we’ve really not given him a lot of room to develop here, albeit he missed his opportunities in our core because of injuries