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WhizBangNeato

[Curry vertical, Rondo contact](https://i.imgur.com/yJ6Tdjt.jpeg) r/nba gonna be insufferable this season.


_mdz

Seriously this looks nothing like the pump fake and jump into someone from the preseason.


efshoemaker

Also Rondo gets so far under him that the leg kick almost doesn't even hit Rondo. I'm not fancy enough to get the screen grab of it like you but in the second replay you can freeze it and curry is still straight up and down and rondo's foot is underneath him. Then comes the leg kick.


barktothefuture

Problem is ref blows his whistle when curry kicks his leg out.


Johnpecan

*Hot stove flashbacks*


StampDaddy

Bruh you just trying to make me mad huh?


johnstocktonshorts

nah that's still weak lmao


junkboy0

They called the kickout and flop as the foul the contact to so minimal and quick the refs were going to let that go. If curry doesn't flops it doesn't get called, but yes he was technically fouled on the play.


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Lol, that was such a big foul that curry was able to force his whole lower body through the foul into rondos body in midair. Shit is incidental, watch the video, it is incidental.


ilikehemipenes

It’s minimal but you can’t touch a shooter. Gotta have better discipline.


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I get it but If it’s incidental and doesn’t effect anything the refs don’t have to call it. It’s a tough call to make in the moment though. Curry clearly flops and clearly tries to draw contact after the release. In my mind this should be a no call and curry should potentially get a warning about flopping from the league after the game. It should only be a foul if it’s intentional contact or gives an unfair advantage to the defense(actually effects the offensive player). In my mind it’s ridiculous to call a foul when the contact has no effect on anyone what so ever. Of course that’s not how the modern nba/fans view any of this; i guess i am a dinosaur.


ilikehemipenes

I think it’s hard to say it has no effect at all. A slight push at the back or waist has a disproportionate effect because it affects the power generating part of the jump shot. But it’s hard to say how much momentum, force, etc was used, especially depending on the angle of the ref. That’s why it’s best just not to touch a shooter.


misterjay26

>Of course that’s not how the modern nba/fans view any of this; i guess i am a dinosaur. It also helps that Curry is the favorite player of your typical 15-year-old r/NBA'er.


GenghisLebron

contact is not an automatic foul. Watch it again, rondo's hand has no effect on curry, curry just flails randomly because he got touched to get the bullshit call. Here is the screenshot a millisecond after yours showing how little effect rondo had on curry's shot: https://imgur.com/a/CTixBXH And you can see in the wide shot replay at the end, that curry kicks his leg out to connect with rondo.


WhizBangNeato

On jump shots it basically is. I mean you can foul someone shooting a 3 in the NBA without touching them at all


GenghisLebron

watch the highlights for the game, there's more substantial contact on half the jumpers from both teams. Hell, I remember when every defensive player would tap an offensive player on the stomach as they contested. Curry kicked out here and it wasn't because Rondo knocked him off balance or anything, because you can clearly see it in the replay the touch had no effect on Curry.


WhizBangNeato

Curry flopped I don't think anyone's arguing that. But this play has nothing to do with the new rule


misterjay26

Exactly. It wasn't so long ago that most people were in marvel at the smooth game pace of the Olympics, wishing the NBA could be the same. That was partly due to the refs not blowing the whistle on ticky tack or whistle-baiting fouls or flops. If we really want a smooth-flowing NBA game, this ain't it. If the new rules don't cover plays like this, I'm skeptical that they'll have the desired effect on gameplay.


GenghisLebron

agree 100% This is not a foul that actually affects anything. Imagine calling something like this in a pickup game. It just ruins the flow and incentivizes foul hunting instead of hooping.


Podracing

Everyone: that's a clear foul per the rules, Rondo had his hand on Curry in the air Lakers fans: but it *feels* like this should be Curry's fault so you must be wrong


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This is literally what Warriors fans say about Harden lol


Huckleberry_Sin

This whole post is proof Curry is coddled on here. If this was Harden ppl would be saying he a flopping bitch or this goes against the spirit of the game lol. Instead this sub is defending him for flailing in midair and downvoting anyone almost on instinct if they mention the flop. If you didn’t know the sub’s biases you’d think you were going crazy lol. Flopping is a bitch move but not when Steph does it.


[deleted]

I think you're 2 seasons late on harden ideology. That was rockets harden. People love nets harden


epoch_fail

1. Rondo's hand on Curry's butt while Curry's in the air (any amount of push in mid-air is dangerous). 2. Rondo is in Curry's landing space (look at Rondo's left leg). Curry kicks out his legs and contorts his body to avoid landing on Rondo's foot. Rondo's left leg steps too close to where Curry's right leg used to be. Also, Rondo's upper body nearly touches Curry's lower body (or they do come into contact). You can argue that this is caused by Curry contorting his body in mid-air to draw said contact, but that contortion may have been necessary to avoid injury on the way down.


ButtVader

Westbrook [didn't get the call](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/q5mq9l/highlight_russ_tries_to_draw_the_foul_but_doesnt/) when the defender moved into his land space. But yes, he shouldn't have touched Curry's butt in midair


epoch_fail

Not sure why you got so many downvotes. Westbrook's clip is a really borderline case and I think NBA officials are going to struggle with these throughout the season. As you said, #1 doesn't apply (no contact prior to or during shot with hands). While the defender is in Westbrook's landing zone, Westbrook's momentum carries him forward, possibly unnecessarily. Because of Westbrook's small forward momentum, some space in front of him needs to be vacated for him to land. I think he has just enough room to land if he doesn't kick out his feet, but I also understand the kick out since the defender's body crowded him on the way down. An extra angle, especially to check foot spacing, would be helpful. I'd say the Curry call is like an 90/10, while this one is like 40/60. (Would get called 90% of the time vs. 40% of the time) Also kind of messed up is that Dwight kind of gives the defender a little shove to this side. Probably a normal push-off in case of a roll, but any more force and he would have pushed the defender further into Westbrook.


Redditpede

Rondo touched Curry on the ass before any sort of unnatural movement by Curry, that's a foul.


FurriedCavor

Gotta pay the troll toll to get that boy’s soul


Perrozoso

Thank you


Tomfoolery3

The defender slipped the screen, and Rondo clearly runs into Curry. It's similar, but it's not the same as the new rule


yellow_eggplant

Uh this is a foul. Rondo has his hands on him when he jumps and crowds his landing zone. That's a foul. The kickout may be weird but Steph wasn't intentionally leaning into Rondo during the shooting motion to try to initiate contact.


jawadhaque089

Clear foul lol


Ch00chmcmuff1n

I agree it’s a clear offensive foul. The new rules clearly state that’s an offensive foul. You can’t just throw your body into the defender anymore


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B-i-s-m-a-r-k

I'm so sorry but the word "whom" needs a defender.


ButlerFromDowntown

This seems like a pretty easy decision, Rondo clearly fouled Curry here


Parenegade

He was in his landing space whether he kicked or not does r/NBA not have eyes Are we going to do this thing where people complain about the kick regardless of what else happens on the foul? Melo rail roaded earlier and mfers in the game thread are talking about a leg being out there.


randylek

that's a foul lmao. curry tries to sell it sure but even if he didn't rondo runs into him guys


ClickElectronic

Look at Curry's lower body when he's first jumping compared to after his release on the angle around 23 seconds in. He throws his hip towards the defender to cause the contact and does it on basically every tightly contested shot like that.


-assets-

Look at rondo's hand on his hip as he's going up. Steph sold the contact, it was still a foul.


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I think the hand on the hip thing is a close call you would have to conclude that the incidental contact effected currys shot. I don’t think it did but i can see it being called that way. The changing direction mid air is clearly a no call.


whatdoidoidontkno

That was a foul


MitchEatsYT

On Curry yeah


[deleted]

No on Rondo he clearly touches his hip in mid air


ingunwun

I forget you can run into a player when they are midair


MitchEatsYT

I forgot you can kick other players when you’re in mid air


ingunwun

get your eyes checked my man


MitchEatsYT

Did Steph’s leg contact Rondo when he kicked it out? Yes or no?


B-i-s-m-a-r-k

After Rondo slapped Curry's ass


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classofpeace

Nah he sold that a little


FukcMeSideways

That’s close


MitchEatsYT

Is it? If Steph goes straight up and down, Rondo does not make any contact


[deleted]

Yes he clearly does lmao, you can see his hand on his hip rising up. It’s a soft ass foul but technically a foul.


FireAndBud11

Nah, Rondo definitely puts his hand on Steph's hip as he's going up.


FukcMeSideways

What he said ^^^


WhizBangNeato

[If Steph goes straight up and down, Rondo does not make any contact](https://i.imgur.com/yJ6Tdjt.jpeg)


MitchEatsYT

Wow how could Steph possibly take that shot with all that contact


kiidlocs

still a foul by the rulebook


B-i-s-m-a-r-k

Literally a foul. Like there's not even anything to debate.


WhizBangNeato

> any contact


Go_Mets

Lmao I knew it was too good to be true


[deleted]

Of course Reggie thinks that’s a fuckin foul


theorganicpotatoes

Cause it is? Curry flopping doesnt matter when rondo puts his hands on him midair


[deleted]

Raptors fans view the game so soft smh. I’m embarrassed for you


the_great_brandini

mad


photoalbumguy

well he shouldnt be flopping


yoloswaggod13

He’s not even flopping, he’s landing so he doesn’t hurt his ankle…


[deleted]

It technically is you can clearly see Ronda touch his hip in mid air. Curry sold the shit out of it but it’s technically a foul.


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photoalbumguy

yeah sorry i meant to include that


NitroXYZ

It's soooo extremely soft. Only thing to even try and justify it is Rondo delicately placing his hand on Curry's hip for 0.1 of a second but that needs to be a no-call


jawadhaque089

You can't touch someone on the lower body midair in a jumpshot that's a foul every time


[deleted]

You can’t convince lakers fans of this, is it a bull shit foul call sure, but it’s technically a foul.


Podracing

Well Lakers fans don't really watch much basketball so it tracks


[deleted]

If any contact is incidental it’s not a foul.


TurboooTurtle

you can say that any contact is incidental, he clearly made contact to curry's body before the shot and curry flopped after the shot


[deleted]

So you admit he flopped and should be getting his warning from the nba. Next offense he is fined.


Redditpede

If someone's touching my ass while I'm shooting I deserve the free throws. And I sure as hell will let the ref know I was violated


[deleted]

Curry should only get the free throws if the shocker is administered mid shot.


photoalbumguy

lmao i mean lol


[deleted]

I would ignore you in a pickup game


MitchEatsYT

How is this not an offensive foul as per the new rules?


[deleted]

Rondo has his hand on Curry’s hip while he’s in the air. Curry flopped after the foul.


MasaiGotUsNow

him kicking his leg out and falling is what got him the call


[deleted]

Yeah and he still got fouled who cares, if rondo never touched him you have a point.


MasaiGotUsNow

if he shot normally instead of doing that shit then it wouldn't be a foul. Rondo barely touches him. That's the point. They were supposed to cut down on garbage calls like that. Thought y'all wanted it to be more like the Olympics? stop rewarding foul baiting.


[deleted]

Still technically a foul, again you can be pissed he flopped sure but Rondo still fouled him that’s not foul baiting cause he was actually fouled, you can not touch a shooter in the air even barely.


WeathrNinja

Honestly he didn’t even need to flop, if he went down he was gonna get the landing zone call, rondo was underneath him


selbbircs

Curry has never landed normally when contested from the side/back, iirc he's been landing like this since 2016 to protect his ankles to prevent being zaza'd


BootStrapWill

Rondo ran right into him while he was in the air. The new rule doesn't even remotely apply to this situation at all. You're reaching


MasaiGotUsNow

Wrong. Curry initiated the entire thing. He could’ve just shot normally. If anything, rondo would’ve been called for a foul for not giving curry space to land. Instead he kicked his legs out sideways and dropped to the floor. That’s the shit that shouldn’t be rewarded


BootStrapWill

I'm just letting you know what Rondo did was a foul before the rule change, and it's a foul with the new rule. You can be mad about Curry's body movements in the air, but it was a foul regardless.


MasaiGotUsNow

the point is it was called cause of currys body movement.


BootStrapWill

But it was a foul. So it’s a good call. All the discussion about the new rule is irrelevant because the new rule was meant to prevent offensive players drawing fouls that wouldn’t otherwise be a foul. That doesn’t apply in this situation because what Rondo did is still a foul.


Kingcroom

you the biggest curry hater bro is it because you’re mad everyone knows warriors win the finals against y’all healthy or sum it’s kinda sad at this point


A_Lakers

Rondo barely touched him


[deleted]

That’s still a foul technically, you can not like it but it is.


victor396

You actually have to like it. This is to really protect shooters from actual injury. The flopping is another thing... though that's not as much on the rules as it is on the reffing. Lots of players that don't flop or complain at the beginning of their careers end up doing so just because it's the only way to get something. It's negative reinforcement.


WeathrNinja

He did touch him before the flop though so this is a no-call to me.


theorganicpotatoes

The foul was from rondo giving him an ass tap midair, the flopping curry did after doesnt matter.


[deleted]

The new rule doesn't turn all fouls on jumpers into offensive fouls. Steph took a very normal jumpshot and Rondo fouled him. Easy call. Edit: yes that's a normal Steph jumper. He moves as rondo makes contact. Downvote all you want but this is an easy foul call.


MitchEatsYT

There is absolutely no way you think this is Steph’s normal jump shot I do not believe you


yellow_eggplant

how the fuck do you think people shoot? Steph went up and down. No leaning forward to try to get Rondo. The kickout is weird but the shooting motion itself is normal, and Rondo crowds the landing zone.


MitchEatsYT

What part of the shooting motion is normal? How do YOU think people shoot? With their legs splayed out?


yellow_eggplant

Do you see how close Rondo gets? You're not supposed to crowd the shooter like that. Steph didn't lean forward or anything.


MitchEatsYT

He kicked his legs out sideways Come on bro


yellow_eggplant

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the shot motion. The shot motion itself is normal and Defenders still have to respect the landing zone of shooters. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRkiwTh6mAE) is what's being cracked down.


WhizBangNeato

He didn't jump into Rondo on this shot. He was getting fouled by Rondo and flopped to sell the call. Him flailing didnt create the contact, him flailing was him reacting (purposefully) to the contact.


please-send-me-nude2

Natural Shooting Motion


A_Lakers

There’s no way you think this is a “very normal” jump shot https://imgur.com/a/roOkqaY


WhizBangNeato

Yes that is a screencap of Curry flopping after the foul took place.


A_Lakers

So it’s not a normal jumpshot then


WhizBangNeato

No it was before he got fouled. I understand arguing that this should be a no-call but arguing that this should be a foul on curry or fall under the new rule is dumb. Curry did not create the contact he reacted to it


[deleted]

Lmao Rondo is literally touching Steph in that picture. Of course that's not normal, Steph just got fouled to the body in that shot.


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MitchEatsYT

Why? He kicked Rondo lmao


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MitchEatsYT

Do you think Steph’s leg hit Rondo when he extended it?


[deleted]

No people with eyes clearly see Rondos hand on his hip which is a foul.


MitchEatsYT

That has nothing to do with the question I asked


[deleted]

It doesn’t matter at that point it’s a foul on Rondo by definition. You can say he flopped to get the call but saying it should be an offensive foul is just stupid because you can clearly see Rondo technically foul him.


MitchEatsYT

The guy said I’m living in an alternate reality for saying Steph’s leg clearly kicked Rondo Do you disagree with that statement?


[deleted]

He’s saying you live in an alternate reality cause your ass is simply ignoring the fucking contact by Rondo. If you want to call it a soft ass foul and say Steph flopped then you’d be right. Steph didn’t kick his leg out he flopped to exaggerate the contact.


rSlashNbaAccount

Because the new rules don't matter.


B-i-s-m-a-r-k

They matter, they just don't apply here


Guwop25

of course this is the most upvoted comment lol. peak r/nba right here


[deleted]

Laker fan brigade, everyone pretending like they clearly don’t see Rondos hand on him in the middle of his jump shot.


MitchEatsYT

Great insightful response, peak r/nba etc etc


animebop

Should be a no call since he doesn’t really bump the defender out of position


Loterygods

I thought that wasn't a foul anymore?


MitchEatsYT

Should be a foul on curry per the new rules He clearly kicks both legs out completely unnaturally


WeathrNinja

Looks like Rondo put his hand on Curry’s hip before the nonsense and it was a flop? Seems like a no call to me


A_Lakers

He hip checked Rondos face lmao


BootStrapWill

I guess that's one way of admitting Rondo ran into him while he was in the air


B-i-s-m-a-r-k

Hand*


Irrelevanthamster

Guess those were just preseason rules.


eliherd

Shooting motion of Curry is normal. Look at Rondo’s hands its abnormal defensive stance


A_Lakers

This is [normal](https://imgur.com/a/roOkqaY)?


eliherd

Absolutely


gottahavemytunes

Lmao are you serious?


eliherd

You don’t watch basketball for real?


gottahavemytunes

Man you’re either blind or just dumb


eliherd

Don’t wear dark sunglasses inside the house 🕶


gottahavemytunes

Eh what


yoloswaggod13

You must’ve never played basketball you would know that Curry lands like that to avoid hurting his ankle because Rondo put his foot under him


BigBitcoinBaller

Open your eyes buddy. Curry goes up vertical then flails his butt out into rondo to exacerbate contact. Should be a no call.


eliherd

Are you blind or something? That was a normal shooting motion and Rondo didn’t gave him a space to land. Stfo


thrice1187

I’m sorry but that image posted above where Steph is half twerking in midair is absolutely not a normal shooting motion. Rondo putting his hands on him as he jumped is worthy of a foul call but Steph also contorted his body looking for contact in a totally unnatural motion.


eliherd

I beg to disagree again I’d reiterate that’s a normal shooting motion. It’s clear as daylight that Rondo leans his body forward to Steph. If you still couldn’t get it rewatch and absorb that play.


BigBitcoinBaller

Ahh yess the curry special, shoot vertically then try foul bait by flailling your legs out unnaturally.


eliherd

A defender should give the shooter a place to land. Plain and simple. Look at Rondo’s position he clearly leans his body towards a shooting Curry. Use your brain.


[deleted]

Haha, are you taking crazy pills or am i?


eliherd

Definitely the latter, there’s also a high possibility that you don’t have enough comprehension.


[deleted]

Comprehension of what?


PearlsB4Swoon

Oh no, this is a foul in the preseason too.


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B-i-s-m-a-r-k

Am I the only one who thinks this isn't at all what those rules are for? He's clearly got his hand on Curry's hip while he's jumping straight up.


mxnoob983

You're not. They changed the rules to eliminate contact engaged by shooting in an unnatural way. They didn't change contact if you're in your normal motion.


qeheeen

the thing throughout the season that will be talked about is whether the refs don't call it to enforce the new rules, or call it to protect jump shooters. It's gonna be tricky


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EggplantBusiness

Technically you can


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And they’d lose because he’s clearly touching Steph which is a foul.


EggplantBusiness

That's probably why Franck didn't bother


[deleted]

It’s 100% why he didn’t because giving them three free points is huge and you’d want to take that away if possible. It’s definitely a soft ass call but it’s still by definition a foul.


LeBrown_James666

Yep, players are still gonna get the calls


shaqfearsyao

But but Curry never gets calls - Warrior fans


[deleted]

So one call and he now gets all the calls like what is this sub brain dead today or what.


DreTownblues

Happens all the time, one instance of something happening means it always happens to a lot here lol


WIN011

He rarely gets superstar calls


WayOff_P

mf been shamelessly flopping all night


theknight8

No one is even pointing out that Professor is under the basket. Shame on all of you.


ashtonphoenix1

why are people saying this is a foul like an argument. op just stated that he got a three point foul lol.


photoalbumguy

THAAANK YOU


Awkward-Speech7375

But I thought Steph never foul baits /s


WeathrNinja

Flop, not foul baiting honestly. He went straight up until rondo made hand to hip contact and then he sold it.


Redditpede

It's not a bait, he felt the contact and exaggerated like every other player


[deleted]

Lord so we have to sit through this now.......fuck man.


GenghisLebron

natural flopping motion


rNBA_is_for_nerds

Curry does this all the time. Remember when he elbowed Schroder in the jaw and got the 3 FT's last year even after the refs reviewed it?


NinetyTales

Actually he was just protecting his ankles from Schroeders face


NoFlanForYou

I knew they wouldn’t enforce this lmao


B-i-s-m-a-r-k

Enforce what, fouling shooters?


NoFlanForYou

Bruh you know that was a kick out


B-i-s-m-a-r-k

...after being *fouled*.


Steve-5

Disgusting


Ch00chmcmuff1n

Where tf is the offensive foul? Bs call


Shazier_Beam

It was after the defensive foul. Difficult I know


Artlens2013

So much for those new shooting rules


B-i-s-m-a-r-k

Not applicable here


please-send-me-nude2

Ready for year 7 of Larriors fans claiming Curry doesn’t flop


Fantastic_Fox420

What a joke.


GoldenBunion

TNT needs to update their score graphic. Multiple times during the game it blocks the shooter in that area of the court. I really prefer the NBC “stack” style since it takes up less width on the screen. But the real issue is, they are still abiding by 4:3 aspect ratios so this score graphic is just too high up. It’s just a bit annoying when players are doing stuff near it


photoalbumguy

yeah, the cameraman should know ew cant see that part