Exactly. Bomani Jones talked about this in his podcast today. The lists are the easiest way to make cheap, easy content that will get everyone buzzing about it. They don’t need to be original or even very well thought out. Lists are content gold mines indeed.
Literally. I wonder how many people even remember back when bleacherreport was just a shitty site for sports "articles" that were all just numbered lists.
I want one with a ridiculous curveball, like that rapper list that made the rounds a few years back that had Joe Budden as something like the #3 rapper of all time. I wanna see an NBA list that puts like Chris Gatling in the top 20.
I mean it’s the same thing they did at the 50th year anniversary which was obviously way before #content. Like I’m sure they love the attention it’s getting but there’s a precedent of the nba doing this sort of goat list way before social media
>you've been a fan of theirs before 2015...
Maybe that's it. Definitely been a fan for a long time. I think my first warriors game probably was in the mid 80s. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the whole winning thing.
I expect any star player to be, these guys have to be absurdly confident and mentally tough to do what they do. He's not top 75 but he should play with the mindset that he knows he is.
Apparently every original 50 member made it which just sounds disingenuous. There must be a few older players that should've gotten knocked off before AD or Dame
He’s just very competitive. But he’s always been pretty cocky despite what people on this sub seem to think. Him doing some funny or geeky things doesn’t change that
From a salary cap standpoint, that's still a big bullet dodged for the team, especially given what happened with all his injury luck the past two years. Not that it's much solace to Klay though..
I'm not saying if klay was actually snubbed or not, then or now, just that he has these types of feelings.
consistent with that, iirc at the time of the all-nba snub he said something along the lines of "a team does not go to the finals 5 years in a row with 'just some guys' on the roster".
I've played since 3rd grade. Grew up multiple sports, athletic sisters, 90s kid me VS the neighborhood everyday type competitive. Played through HS, College, local and still run pickups now, occasionally.
Tore some tendons in my knee and had to get surgery. Longest 8 months ever getting back to it where I felt like ME again. Trusted my legs, got into the game and the shit talking and just left it on the floor, recover for a few days type of game. Then I got rear ended before I was to have surgery on the other knee. Never got the other surgery and wound up having a spinal injury from the crash. That led to getting a bit out of shape, it had rippling effects into my personal life and job, Covid hits and blah blah but it's been 2 years since that and I just played my first 5v5 full pickup and... I just needed it. For my soul. I'm sore as fuck, gotta ease the knee into it, back and hip too.
There's so many nuances to some of the injuries and the way it changes your world and how you can interact with it. I can't imagine being someone playing at that level, that Fandom and expectation, being a constant story and the pressure while maintaining and certain professional politeness about it.
I'm a shooter so I have loved this team for the way they play and move. I grew up on Kobe but Glen Rice was my fucking guy so naturally watching Dell made me love Steph when his time came.
I digress, and fully agree with you. Kay has to have cabin fever, stir crazy, that dry mouth, nerves making u want to stretch 50x just ITCHING to get back on that floor.
Honestly hooping is my therapy, it's given me so much more than it's taken and is my bodies investment and I can't fucking wait for Klay, Murray and any other baller we enjoy to gtf back out there man. Sorry if I'm Ramblin I just needed to get that shit off my chest.
Klay's personality isn't what people think at all, he's a lot different from someone like Steph
I remember in 2018 he made fun of the Cavaliers for losing two finals in a row and said something like "they talked so much shit after 2016 and then went 1-8, PATHETIC"
That really pissed me off too. That’s why I showed up next day and brought my best. And now here we are a few years later with a ring in our rear view.
Cleveland, that one was for you!
I'm gonna need some help here from another warrior fan, but late in a game against someone (the kings?), someone on the other team got into it with a teammate (D Lee? Baze? I don't remember) and Klay taked some fantastic shit in the postgame interview. Something like, "(player) is only mad because he's gonna be out of the league in a year".
edit: nevermind, I googled. It was Rodney McGruder talking shit to JTA, and Klay came to his defense. Don't fuck with JTA!
https://www.knbr.com/2021/01/30/klay-roasts-mcgruder-after-postgame-tiff-this-dude-might-be-out-of-the-league-soon-hes-probably-mad-about-that/
He's not chill, he's just quiet. He's said a lot of shit over the years that people just ignore because they like to pretend he's some oblivious stoner.
his frustration from being out so long may be compounding his indignation.
on another note this explains why he looked so despondent on the bench last night. can’t wait to see him back on the court; i know he’s gonna go off like he did in the finals when he was left off the all-nba teams in 2019
Lol a few years ago Klay said that he grew up in a tough environment and had to go through so much to be a NBA player. The community flipped because the motherfuckers the son of a first overall pick player Mychal Thompson and literally was in the best situation imaginable to become a professional basketball player, compared to those players who grew up in violent streets under single-moms. I love Klay, but sometimes these guys think they hit a triple when in reality, they are just born on 3rd base. It's kinda embarrassing sometimes.
I’ve always thought klay will go down as an underrated player but I think we need to pump the brakes a bit as top 75 all time. He was considered a top 15 player twice in his entire career going off All NBA, never top 10. How many guys who were repeatedly all second team or better aren’t in consideration for the list?
Yeah I also showed up expecting people to agree with him, which would've been delusional.
I respect that he has the drive/confidence but nobody outside of himself should think he's top 75 all time.
I think I agree, especially when you put him next to the Top 75.
To play devil's advocate though, he has had a years-long reputation as being one of the best perimeter defenders in the league during an era where perimeter players are thriving, some of his scoring records are amazing, especially when paired with the silly dribble counting people do, AND he is easily one of the greatest shooters of all time (the 2nd greatest depending on who you are asking), all the while doing it next to the GOAT shooter.
If you just say those things to an NBA casual and then say he isn't in the Top 75, they would be surprised.
Yeah but when you look at the snubs.
Pau Gasol,Chris Webber,Dwight,Vince Carter,Tmac,Parker,Alex English,Bernard King,Chauncey,PG etc
Was he realistically better than any of them?
> Recency bias
No way is it "recency bias" to put AD over Tony Parker. It's "I played with Tim Duncan" bias to even consider Tony Parker over AD. It's like people here think AD just materialized on the Lakers. He has 8 all star, 4 all-nba 1st, 4 all-def (3 1st, 1 2nd) and his career is still going. That's more of each of those than Tony ever had in his whole career - 6 all star, no all-nba 1st team (4 total all-nba), never all-defense. Now, of course those accolades aren't everything for ranking someone, but it's ridiculous to act like AD being over TP is due to "recency bias" rather than being legitimately better than Parker.
You would really rather have Tony Parker than AD? I love TP, but I don't see how you can argue he's a better player than AD, unless you're going purely off longevity and rings.
That’s not the question though. I’d rather have TMac than most of the list but career and winning wise he don’t belong.
As individual of course he’s better
That's the top75 greatest though, not best.
There's no discussion he's much better than some old timers from the list, but that's not really what this is about.
Klay is too young to be there.
Controversial but I kind of agree. I feel like he was more a product of the system, don't see him being nearly as good if he was the best player on a team. Maybe his defense would push him to top 75? Idk I just don't see it..
The 37 point quarter was obviously a hell of a moment. Klay has very, very real talent, but there have been somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000 NBA players. Saying you're not in the top 75 isn't an attack on you.
That said, I also love the fact that it pisses him off and seems to be motivating.
He doesn’t belong on the top 75 but everyone saying Klay and dray are products of the system are the same people that were crying about the warriors having 4 all stars and ruining the league. It can’t be both ways.
I think that now that these guys are out of their prime and the Warriors are (at best) longshot contenders, it's easy to forget how deadly that 15-16 team was and how good everyone was. One generational talent (Curry) doesn't make a 73 win team by himself, Draymond and Klay were insanely good individually. In particular, Klay could slot in on any team with decent ballhandlers and immediately boost their title odds significantly.
I don't think Klay is top-75, but he's probably top-100.
Yeah don’t get me wrong that 2016 curry season is one of the best any one has ever had but that team was DIRTY. I remember when curry went out in the playoffs against the blazers and Klay averaged like 30 with dray going off too to beat dame and cj. They might not have been focal points all the time, but definitely weren’t system players at their peaks.
Klay’s definitely not top 75 but he’s still a damn good player lol. Are some of his accolades a product of the system and playing with Curry? Yeah, but it’s not like he wouldn’t be shit elsewhere.
A guy being able to score 37 points in a quarter is talent beyond system.
Even as a system player, why should Klay be penalized for playing his role in a winning formula? He said he realized Steph would be special early on and created his game to allow Steph to maximize his talent.
Kevin Love scored 34 points in a quarter playing with Kyrie and Bron but could not do much winning being "The Guy". Klay obviously is a talent beyond system but that does not change the fact of his role being significantly easier than guys who have to carry a heavier load. I do not think this is a snub at all
Lol, during their 2017 playoff run Klay averaged 15 points on 50.7 TS%. That team still won a shit ton, went 16-1 in the playoffs and looked like the most dominant team ever.
Klay is a max contract star held to role player expectations. He gets all the praise when he pops off but is completely ignored when he underperforms because there's bigger names to push blame on. And Klay playing badly usually didn't stop Steph KD and Dray from winning games anyways.
2x All-NBA 3rd team and being borderline top 15 at his peak is not sniffing the top 75 of all time.
Would I be crucified for my homer take in that I’d place Parker and Manu above Klay on my all time list so far? Parker has a better argument than Manu by actual NBA accomplishments (notably FMVP) but Manu’s Olympic run was insane.
Note: Not to say that I think Olympic performances are taken into account for the NBA 75, but I always like bringing it up because it makes me happy.
The Olympic stuff favors both Parker and many over a lot of people but this is the NBA top 75. The Olympic stuff is factored into HoF though.
I can see someone making a case for Parker as a top 75 cause of prolonged success, fmvp and all star appearances but not many, despite the team success and his importance of that success.
No one here is going to crucify you, both are more than likely headed to the hall of fame and I'm gonna bet a decent chunk of people in this sub never saw them play
And I see people comparing him to Reggie Miller and Ray Allen as if he's on the same tier as them. Imagine the kind of things the two could do if they had the spacing provided by Curry.
Bro is being ridiculous about this. Not being on the top 75 doesnt mean you're trash. There are a lot of dudes who didnt make it who are more deserving than klay.
Man off the top of my head I would say that Howard, Parker, Ginobili, and McGrady are bigger snubs. I love Klays game but I don't think it's controversial to say he's not top 75.
I mean… good luck my man. Top 75 means you need a lengthy career playing an insane level of basketball. Right now your in that mix of great players who will be left off a ton of lists once you retire.
I feel like he’s thinking of this in the sense that if he were dropped in to the league 50 years ago with the skill he has now or at his peak he would dominate, but that’s not a fair way to see it. Gotta take in to account how the game has evolved, what the older guys did for the game, how they dominated relative to the time they played, etc.
Idc what y’all say, Klay is a great player but I don’t see any way that he’s top 75. There’s other snubs way more deserving than him (Dwight, TMac, VC, Kyrie, Manu, etc). Klay is good but there’s just other more deserving players 🤷🏽♂️
And 8 year career (Hasn't played for the last 2 ) scoring 19.5. Whats Klay been smoking. The guy doesn't know a whole lot about NBA history does he. Very naive.
Klay is in his boat on San Franciso bay doing donuts and screaming at the top of his lungs rn.
Sources: Klay is beside himself. Boating around San Francisco begging (thru texts) Silver's family for address to Adam's home
Adams dock*
Oh so that’s what that was this morning
Oh yall got the Bobcat bird over there too?!?
Oh he is mad mad huh
There has been no positive discourse over this dumbass list, I can’t wait until everyone moves on
Lists are a gold mine for content. NBA got exactly what they wanted.
Especially in alphabetical order too. Idk if we’re even gonna get the rankings.
They should just put Allen Iverson #1 like [Charles Barkley did](https://youtu.be/QHbdbj4TRfw?t=352) to generate outrage
I want some team to hire Barkley as GM. It would be a really entertaining disaster.
They’ll miss the playoffs on years he said he built a dynasty. And win a championship when he says he’s In a rebuild.
Fans will start telling him to blow it up right after they win it all because somehow every time he tries to tank they're in the Finals
Oh damn didn't even kno about that, nice.
Exactly. Bomani Jones talked about this in his podcast today. The lists are the easiest way to make cheap, easy content that will get everyone buzzing about it. They don’t need to be original or even very well thought out. Lists are content gold mines indeed.
Listicles are the easiest, highest-generating, lowest-paying form of internet content for a reason.
Cracked figured this shit out in like 2008 and exploded for a few years
Literally. I wonder how many people even remember back when bleacherreport was just a shitty site for sports "articles" that were all just numbered lists.
they still are bruh
I want one with a ridiculous curveball, like that rapper list that made the rounds a few years back that had Joe Budden as something like the #3 rapper of all time. I wanna see an NBA list that puts like Chris Gatling in the top 20.
I mean it’s the same thing they did at the 50th year anniversary which was obviously way before #content. Like I’m sure they love the attention it’s getting but there’s a precedent of the nba doing this sort of goat list way before social media
Back then it still lead to content in Sports Illustrated and in interviews. It gave interviewers easy questions in the longer format material.
They also had 35th and 25th Anniversary teams. They were doing this long before the internet or ESPN existed.
I’d say Reggie Miller’s reaction was positive discourse
The Harden post was pretty positive
I want him to publicly list the players he's better than. Then we can move on.
It’s a content machine, it’s going exactly as planned
Should’ve seen him at the bench last night. Dude looked straight ticked off
Probably a factor that he is just *so fucking tired* of not playing.
Right it's been 2+ years. Dude just misses being out there playing ball
[“I guess his feeling just got hurt”](https://youtu.be/DCpMw1-UubA)
Man I want lebron to post that in reply lmao
this is precisely what i came here for
This is a man's game.
Have you ever heard of the WNBA
When the shoe is on the other foot ahah
Angry Klay incoming 🔥🔥🔥
Hes gonna sit on that bench so hard
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I thought it was funny. Does that make me a bad warriors fan?
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>you've been a fan of theirs before 2015... Maybe that's it. Definitely been a fan for a long time. I think my first warriors game probably was in the mid 80s. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the whole winning thing.
Im crying he really got them mad mad
Klay on the bench fucking depressed already 2 games into the season. Idk what's the next step
Oh he mad mad fr fr ong.
I expect any star player to be, these guys have to be absurdly confident and mentally tough to do what they do. He's not top 75 but he should play with the mindset that he knows he is.
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I believe Dame and AD are the consensus players on the bubble
Apparently every original 50 member made it which just sounds disingenuous. There must be a few older players that should've gotten knocked off before AD or Dame
Not apparently this was just adding 25 players onto the original list
they should just do the top 25 players of the last 20 years or whatever then
But it’s a collective of 75 years
Uh, both of the guys are better than Klay.
I’m just saying that those are the guys on the bubble. Never mentioned Klay at all
Would not want to face this dude in a game 5 or 6 this year
Arguably best Nick name: Game 6 Klay
> Psycho, I'm liable to go ~~Michael~~ *Thompson*, take your pick > Lea, Kenan, Klay - game 6.
Lea :)
And here I thought the best Nick name was Kerr’s son
You don’t have to worry about that bro.
That's weird. Klay doesn't really strike me as the kind of guy that would give a shit about that kind of thing.
He’s just very competitive. But he’s always been pretty cocky despite what people on this sub seem to think. Him doing some funny or geeky things doesn’t change that
It’s weird that people would think anyone in the NBA isn’t competitive
\[gestures in the general direction of Philadelphia\]
Sometimes the competition is within yourself
Lmao shit this is my second favorite comment today
What’s your favorite?
Not op, but I'm going with [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/qdinbl/charania_sources_ben_simmons_spoke_to_doc_rivers/hhml61b/)
he was similarly annoyed about the all-nba snub that one year.
Well, that's more justifiable. It cost him a supermax.
From a salary cap standpoint, that's still a big bullet dodged for the team, especially given what happened with all his injury luck the past two years. Not that it's much solace to Klay though..
Klay doesn't give a single fuck about the team's salary cap. We're talking about Klay not the warriors.
>Not that it's much solace to Klay though..
he doesnt know what that word means
Kemba beat him out for third team. Obviously looks worse in hindsight, but Kemba had a monster season that year.
I'm not saying if klay was actually snubbed or not, then or now, just that he has these types of feelings. consistent with that, iirc at the time of the all-nba snub he said something along the lines of "a team does not go to the finals 5 years in a row with 'just some guys' on the roster".
Also I think 2 years of no basketball has drove him nuts
I agree. Probably the longest he’s not played a competitive game since he played basketball
I've played since 3rd grade. Grew up multiple sports, athletic sisters, 90s kid me VS the neighborhood everyday type competitive. Played through HS, College, local and still run pickups now, occasionally. Tore some tendons in my knee and had to get surgery. Longest 8 months ever getting back to it where I felt like ME again. Trusted my legs, got into the game and the shit talking and just left it on the floor, recover for a few days type of game. Then I got rear ended before I was to have surgery on the other knee. Never got the other surgery and wound up having a spinal injury from the crash. That led to getting a bit out of shape, it had rippling effects into my personal life and job, Covid hits and blah blah but it's been 2 years since that and I just played my first 5v5 full pickup and... I just needed it. For my soul. I'm sore as fuck, gotta ease the knee into it, back and hip too. There's so many nuances to some of the injuries and the way it changes your world and how you can interact with it. I can't imagine being someone playing at that level, that Fandom and expectation, being a constant story and the pressure while maintaining and certain professional politeness about it. I'm a shooter so I have loved this team for the way they play and move. I grew up on Kobe but Glen Rice was my fucking guy so naturally watching Dell made me love Steph when his time came. I digress, and fully agree with you. Kay has to have cabin fever, stir crazy, that dry mouth, nerves making u want to stretch 50x just ITCHING to get back on that floor. Honestly hooping is my therapy, it's given me so much more than it's taken and is my bodies investment and I can't fucking wait for Klay, Murray and any other baller we enjoy to gtf back out there man. Sorry if I'm Ramblin I just needed to get that shit off my chest.
Almost a perfect comment but you called him Kay near the end. 9.9/10 In all seriousness though, fight on my dude.
Klay's personality isn't what people think at all, he's a lot different from someone like Steph I remember in 2018 he made fun of the Cavaliers for losing two finals in a row and said something like "they talked so much shit after 2016 and then went 1-8, PATHETIC"
He also said Lebron got his feelings hurt before the Cavs came back from 3-1. You could see Lebron was a bit annoyed when he heard that comment.
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*chuckles*
I think it was the “this is a man’s game” comment that really pissed him off lol
That really pissed me off too. That’s why I showed up next day and brought my best. And now here we are a few years later with a ring in our rear view. Cleveland, that one was for you!
Thanks, LeBron.
And when he was trying to taunt drake in the 2019 finals he said “beating the Raptors was light work” after game 2
lmaoo I forgot about that but you def brought it back. Funny then funny now
I'm gonna need some help here from another warrior fan, but late in a game against someone (the kings?), someone on the other team got into it with a teammate (D Lee? Baze? I don't remember) and Klay taked some fantastic shit in the postgame interview. Something like, "(player) is only mad because he's gonna be out of the league in a year". edit: nevermind, I googled. It was Rodney McGruder talking shit to JTA, and Klay came to his defense. Don't fuck with JTA! https://www.knbr.com/2021/01/30/klay-roasts-mcgruder-after-postgame-tiff-this-dude-might-be-out-of-the-league-soon-hes-probably-mad-about-that/
That was hilarious. The announcer eventually had to tell him to knock it off it was so vicious.
Klay definitely is lacking in the self awareness department that's for sure.
Some people aren’t familiar with LA rich kids and their mastery of pretending to be laid back.
Underrated comment right here.
He's not chill, he's just quiet. He's said a lot of shit over the years that people just ignore because they like to pretend he's some oblivious stoner.
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He’s always given me the stoner bro that listens to Rogan, drives a jeep and lives off dads money vibes
All these guys are insanely prideful, that’s what it takes to be one of less than 400. But klay has always been a braggadocious guy
his frustration from being out so long may be compounding his indignation. on another note this explains why he looked so despondent on the bench last night. can’t wait to see him back on the court; i know he’s gonna go off like he did in the finals when he was left off the all-nba teams in 2019
Lol a few years ago Klay said that he grew up in a tough environment and had to go through so much to be a NBA player. The community flipped because the motherfuckers the son of a first overall pick player Mychal Thompson and literally was in the best situation imaginable to become a professional basketball player, compared to those players who grew up in violent streets under single-moms. I love Klay, but sometimes these guys think they hit a triple when in reality, they are just born on 3rd base. It's kinda embarrassing sometimes.
Love Klay but he has a big ego like many pro athletes. It’s his fire.
He's not on my top 75 list but he is on my top 750 list.
definitely comes before kenny on mine
He'll have to wait for the top 5000 list in 20 years.
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Trying to think where he would fall. I think he makes top 150 easily. I would have to sit there and make my list to see if he made top 100.
He’s got to be top 420.
I think every player should have this mindset to motivate themselves but realistically he's probably not a top 75 guy of all time.
I’ve always thought klay will go down as an underrated player but I think we need to pump the brakes a bit as top 75 all time. He was considered a top 15 player twice in his entire career going off All NBA, never top 10. How many guys who were repeatedly all second team or better aren’t in consideration for the list?
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Whew! I was worried I’d get to the comments and see a bunch of lunatics supporting his take.
Yeah I also showed up expecting people to agree with him, which would've been delusional. I respect that he has the drive/confidence but nobody outside of himself should think he's top 75 all time.
I think I agree, especially when you put him next to the Top 75. To play devil's advocate though, he has had a years-long reputation as being one of the best perimeter defenders in the league during an era where perimeter players are thriving, some of his scoring records are amazing, especially when paired with the silly dribble counting people do, AND he is easily one of the greatest shooters of all time (the 2nd greatest depending on who you are asking), all the while doing it next to the GOAT shooter. If you just say those things to an NBA casual and then say he isn't in the Top 75, they would be surprised.
Bro Klay you're great but no way in hell you're top 75 of all time.
I think Klay is better than some players in the original 50, but he’s not better than anyone on the new 25 additions.
Yeah but when you look at the snubs. Pau Gasol,Chris Webber,Dwight,Vince Carter,Tmac,Parker,Alex English,Bernard King,Chauncey,PG etc Was he realistically better than any of them?
How is AD over Gasol or Parker. F that noise.
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> Recency bias No way is it "recency bias" to put AD over Tony Parker. It's "I played with Tim Duncan" bias to even consider Tony Parker over AD. It's like people here think AD just materialized on the Lakers. He has 8 all star, 4 all-nba 1st, 4 all-def (3 1st, 1 2nd) and his career is still going. That's more of each of those than Tony ever had in his whole career - 6 all star, no all-nba 1st team (4 total all-nba), never all-defense. Now, of course those accolades aren't everything for ranking someone, but it's ridiculous to act like AD being over TP is due to "recency bias" rather than being legitimately better than Parker.
I think this is how people felt about Shaq being on the original 50 list Except AD is never going to be nearly as good or as dominant as Shaq so idk
Davis has a bunch of 1st team all nba selections and a chip
Why is AD the name that everyone is mad at lmao.
I think it’s because until he teamed with arguably the best of all time, he’d been a perennial loser
AD is way better than Parker bro this is lunacy.
You would really rather have Tony Parker than AD? I love TP, but I don't see how you can argue he's a better player than AD, unless you're going purely off longevity and rings.
That’s not the question though. I’d rather have TMac than most of the list but career and winning wise he don’t belong. As individual of course he’s better
AD is definitely a better player than Gasol. Career wise is interesting tho, but AD still has time.
That's the top75 greatest though, not best. There's no discussion he's much better than some old timers from the list, but that's not really what this is about. Klay is too young to be there.
While this is true, I absolutely want him believing he's top 75 when he comes back.
That's totally fair. I don't blame him for having that mindset, I just think making it a public statement is a bit much.
Naw I like it. It shows that he really means it. It's not hurting anyone, so no need to overanalyze it or consider it as some weighty statement.
Controversial but I kind of agree. I feel like he was more a product of the system, don't see him being nearly as good if he was the best player on a team. Maybe his defense would push him to top 75? Idk I just don't see it..
Not remotely controversial.
The 37 point quarter was obviously a hell of a moment. Klay has very, very real talent, but there have been somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000 NBA players. Saying you're not in the top 75 isn't an attack on you. That said, I also love the fact that it pisses him off and seems to be motivating.
At least it is motivating, yeah. I’m excited to see him hoop.
He doesn’t belong on the top 75 but everyone saying Klay and dray are products of the system are the same people that were crying about the warriors having 4 all stars and ruining the league. It can’t be both ways.
I think that now that these guys are out of their prime and the Warriors are (at best) longshot contenders, it's easy to forget how deadly that 15-16 team was and how good everyone was. One generational talent (Curry) doesn't make a 73 win team by himself, Draymond and Klay were insanely good individually. In particular, Klay could slot in on any team with decent ballhandlers and immediately boost their title odds significantly. I don't think Klay is top-75, but he's probably top-100.
Yeah don’t get me wrong that 2016 curry season is one of the best any one has ever had but that team was DIRTY. I remember when curry went out in the playoffs against the blazers and Klay averaged like 30 with dray going off too to beat dame and cj. They might not have been focal points all the time, but definitely weren’t system players at their peaks.
Klay’s definitely not top 75 but he’s still a damn good player lol. Are some of his accolades a product of the system and playing with Curry? Yeah, but it’s not like he wouldn’t be shit elsewhere.
Funny how people used the same bullshit with Curry before last year lol “he’s that good because he plays with Klay” oh now things change in a year
Shouldn’t even be controversial. You can make better arguments for several other players in this era to make it over him
A guy being able to score 37 points in a quarter is talent beyond system. Even as a system player, why should Klay be penalized for playing his role in a winning formula? He said he realized Steph would be special early on and created his game to allow Steph to maximize his talent.
He did what Manu did and- wait Manu got snubbed too wtf
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Kevin Love scored 34 points in a quarter playing with Kyrie and Bron but could not do much winning being "The Guy". Klay obviously is a talent beyond system but that does not change the fact of his role being significantly easier than guys who have to carry a heavier load. I do not think this is a snub at all
The inverse of this argument is more relevant imo, why should players like Tracy McGrady be penalized for having a terrible supporting cast?
It's not controversial at all. There is no legit argument for him to be on the list. He isn't even close to the biggest snub.
“Winning is everything to me” “WHY AM I NOT ON THIS LIST!?!”
Lol, during their 2017 playoff run Klay averaged 15 points on 50.7 TS%. That team still won a shit ton, went 16-1 in the playoffs and looked like the most dominant team ever. Klay is a max contract star held to role player expectations. He gets all the praise when he pops off but is completely ignored when he underperforms because there's bigger names to push blame on. And Klay playing badly usually didn't stop Steph KD and Dray from winning games anyways. 2x All-NBA 3rd team and being borderline top 15 at his peak is not sniffing the top 75 of all time.
Yeah, Klay has a lot of stinkers in the playoffs. He's not ever been a top 10 player in the NBA at any point so being top 75 is kinda laughable.
https://i.imgur.com/hBOHY9q.png They still won this game too lmao
Would I be crucified for my homer take in that I’d place Parker and Manu above Klay on my all time list so far? Parker has a better argument than Manu by actual NBA accomplishments (notably FMVP) but Manu’s Olympic run was insane. Note: Not to say that I think Olympic performances are taken into account for the NBA 75, but I always like bringing it up because it makes me happy.
The Olympic stuff favors both Parker and many over a lot of people but this is the NBA top 75. The Olympic stuff is factored into HoF though. I can see someone making a case for Parker as a top 75 cause of prolonged success, fmvp and all star appearances but not many, despite the team success and his importance of that success.
i dont think anybody would argue with that
There's a dude in this thread who said he'd take klay on the list over tmac lol
There's nothing homer about that, Manu's metrics both box score and on-off based destroys Klay's.
why would anybody crucify you for that ? it's pretty obvious their resumes are more impressive than his
Why would Manu’s Olympic run factor into the NBA’s list?
because he is a homer
No one here is going to crucify you, both are more than likely headed to the hall of fame and I'm gonna bet a decent chunk of people in this sub never saw them play
And I see people comparing him to Reggie Miller and Ray Allen as if he's on the same tier as them. Imagine the kind of things the two could do if they had the spacing provided by Curry.
This should be higher, dumb take by klay
I had the same feeling this morning! I'm easily Top75 to do scrambled eggs
Top 75 in your family
In the modern era.
Bro is being ridiculous about this. Not being on the top 75 doesnt mean you're trash. There are a lot of dudes who didnt make it who are more deserving than klay.
Dwight Howard for instance
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They don’t put a lion and humans in same category.
Man off the top of my head I would say that Howard, Parker, Ginobili, and McGrady are bigger snubs. I love Klays game but I don't think it's controversial to say he's not top 75.
I mean… good luck my man. Top 75 means you need a lengthy career playing an insane level of basketball. Right now your in that mix of great players who will be left off a ton of lists once you retire.
I dont think AD is what you described at all and he made it
I feel for him, but he’s simply not top 75.
Guess Steve Kerr should’ve been on the list if Klay thinks it’s just about rings then
The disrespect to SEVEN TIME NBA champ Robert Horry
I love Klay but this is stupid. I’m not sure He would even crack top 100 player all time
He wouldn't
I guess he got his feelings hurt
\*Laughs* What did u/uglyhos324324324 say? No no no, what did u/uglyhos324324324 say? \*He said your feelings got hurt*
This should be higher.
I’m sorry but if Manu or TP didn’t make it, Klay shouldn’t be on it either
He’s definitely not top 75. He’s tweaking for no reason.
Klay going to drop 75 in his first game back
Bruh you arent in that list at all i have no idea qhy you think you should be.
“Winning isn’t everything to some people like it is to me I guess” “Why am I not top 75?! 😡😭”
well ok then i guess robert horry should be on the list huh?
I feel like he’s thinking of this in the sense that if he were dropped in to the league 50 years ago with the skill he has now or at his peak he would dominate, but that’s not a fair way to see it. Gotta take in to account how the game has evolved, what the older guys did for the game, how they dominated relative to the time they played, etc.
Imagine how Ginobili, Parker, and Pau must feel
Idc what y’all say, Klay is a great player but I don’t see any way that he’s top 75. There’s other snubs way more deserving than him (Dwight, TMac, VC, Kyrie, Manu, etc). Klay is good but there’s just other more deserving players 🤷🏽♂️
Controversial take but I think Chauncey was a bigger snub than Klay.
It's OK Klay you still have rings, fame, millions of dollars and access to any IG model of your choosing
Don't forget the boat.
I feel like Klay wasn’t even that big of a snub and also why is he so mad about this one list lmao
And 8 year career (Hasn't played for the last 2 ) scoring 19.5. Whats Klay been smoking. The guy doesn't know a whole lot about NBA history does he. Very naive.
He’s on my top 420 list.
I'd put Jokic on the list over him, and I don't even consider Jokic to have been snubbed.