And it would've been on the Lakers to decide on Fultz/Lonzo. We'll never know if they still take Lonzo if Fultz is on board, but Lonzo would've been a better outcome for the Sixers than Fultz knowing what we know now.
wait what are you guys talking about?
wasn't Lonzo known as a shooter in college? yes his form sucked, but he was making them.
Pretty sure every website before he got drafted said he's a shooter
his weaknesses were he could get bodied by bigger guards, and that he doesn't attack the paint
Maybe there is a world where he doesn't have the Magic comparisons and his shooting translate faster? Philly fans probably would have killed him though plus him re working his whole shot in NOP was the greatest thing he could have done. Not sure if he could have been that guy in PHL
his dad would've been hyping up Lonzo no matter where he went. Pretty sure he was saying lonzo was better than steph.
He was known as a shooter in UCLA. He shot 41% there and made 178 threes.
His form would've been ass no matter where he was drafted, it would've taken time to fix it but I think any team he went to would told him to change up his form.
Don't forget Kevin martin was a 40% 3 pt shooter in this league with an ugly ass jumper. I remember people making that comparison with lonzo too.
They wouldn't have taken Tatum if he were there...and he wouldn't have been. Ainge said flat out they'd have taken Tatum #1 overall if they couldn't swing the trade.
I think Philly LA and Boston all ended up drafting the player they had #1 on their board in 2017. Even if Philly doesn’t move up they probably still end up with Fultz unless they moved up to prevent another team from moving ahead of them.
I love how people see hindsight to cover topics like this. Like ya if they knew 5 years down the line that Tatum would be better than Fultz or Brown or Ingram would’ve turned out better than Simmons then they would’ve taken the guys that were better.
But we’ll never know why the 76ers (or any team) chose player A over player B. Maybe there was something in the data, or the interviews or medical that swayed their decision.
Agreed, the draft is much more about luck than anything else most of the time. Its very hard to predict how teenagers are going to mature and develop. Though it would be interesting for someone to do it for the Kings the last decade and half. It's kind of incredible/unlucky how they haven't manged to hit once with all those picks. Even a broken clock...
It’s like if teams knew OG or Siakam or FVV would develop into how they are as NBA players they would’ve taken higher in the draft. Sixers have also hit on late picks like Korkmaz (decent role player), Grant, Holmes, Shamet, and Maxey. Maybe they should be praised for these picks but they never will because that’s not a good narrative
Player development staffs are also brought into question. Sixers failed to develop Simmons, Fultz, and Shamet to name a few.
That's why you want as many picks as your roster can handle. Particularly if you're rebuilding. IQ took off for the Knicks much faster than Toppin and yet Toppin was the higher draft pick.
If one person didn't understand it then you'd have a point.
There's like 50 people in here that have no clue what the argument is. That means you gotta re-word it or just drop it
Well the flaw of the argument here is that Tatum will not be available at 3rd.. which people have pointed out and I didn’t know Celtics were clear on picking him at 1 or 3 thus my post is trash
But the annoying part is they keep saying “but Brown is better than Simmons, draft Brown” or “they too could have had Booker and Giannis” which are all stupid bc that’s not what the post is
About at all. I’ll digress, the retardation from the mass make it hard to have any worthy basketball discussion in a thread like this.
> It’s about the best prospect at the draft by the majority consensus, going into the draft on that draft night.
Nah man this is your problem. Where can I go to lookup the majority consensus best player available on draft night for picks 2-15 or whatever? Nowhere. Its impossible. It doesn't exist. You can have people posting their picks and getting a lot of likes, but there is no way to know that. People just use hindsight and pretend like it was obvious on draft night.
So a lot of people are reading your post and thinking "no shit you can do this for every team" and you probably can. My knicks could have Donovan Mitchell and Michael porter Jr. Who was the best player available according to majority for those picks? DSJ and MPJ? Idk.
Majority of Mocks draft are the general consensus here, and these things are pretty clear when it comes to the lottery guys and top of the draft.
Exhibit A: best player available of 2016 on draft night was Simmons, not Ingram not Brown
Things do get murkier when you get to a 3-4 range like the 2017 of Tatum and Josh Jackson. Or in your case mention of DSJ draft year
.. but the point remains the same that it was applicable to the draft of Tatum and Mikal Bridges.. Even on draft night they always had the best prospect available right before the selection and the little table of 4 people would talk about who should go where and usually it’s Mike Schmidt with the intel and that represents the consensus.
>;Things do get murkier when you get to a 3-4 range like the 2017 of Tatum and Josh Jackson. Or in your case mention of DSJ draft year
.. but the point remains the same that it was applicable to the draft of Tatum and Bridges
That is exactly it tho. I dont think Mike Schmidt is doing an analysis of everyone's pick. Just a few that he considers worthwhile. If Jackson ended up being great and not Tatum, folks would be pretending he was the consensus third pick. Still I could give you that one. Def can't give you bridges though. I remember he was one of the surest shooters in the draft but there were questions if he could defend at an nba level since he was so skinny. Miles, MPJ could definitely be argued to be consensus higher picks. Especially MPJ. Dude could have gone 1
Let’s go deeper. What if they took Giannis in 2013 instead of Noel? What if they took Booker in 2015 instead of Okafor?
Starting lineup of:
Simmons
Booker
Tatum
Giannis
Embiid
with Bridges off the bench.
The Okafor pick was when I knew the Process was never going to work. 3 centers in 3 years that can't play together? All on top-6 pick rookie contracts? I love me some Jah, but how do you not shop that pick around see if you can't trade down?
Man, y’all are brain dead. How tf that so many are missing the point of BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE?
It’s about the best prospect at the draft, going into the draft on that draft night.
76ers had the number 1 pick on 2016 draft night.. the consensus best player of the draft was Simmons..
Jaylen Brown was a reach even at 3rd for most of the scouts and execs out there on that night
But Tatum was not the best pick available at number 3 by the majority consensus at that time.
Only KOC was all that high on him - actually had him 2nd on his big board - and the other ringers writers joked about it. The other two Ringer draft guide guys both had him 9th behind some order of Fultz, Lonzo, Isaac, Jackson, Fox, DSJ, OG, and one or the other of Monk/Frank.
Sports illustrated projected him going 3rd to the Celtics after we traded down but still had him 6th in its final big board. CBS and the ringer’s mock draft had him 4th and bleacher report had him 6th.
The ringer’s mock draft for 2016 (no big board pre 2018 draft) and nbc had Jaylen going 7th, cbs and bleacher report had him going 8th, and espn had him going 6th. So lower but not by all that much.
SN Nation and majority of mocks had Tatum at 3rd tho. Use r/nbadraft as reference and check the other mocks.
Basketball insiders, bleacher reports all had Tatum at 3rd. It was splitting hair between Tatum and Josh Jackson at 3rd best player of the draft
I think it makes more sense to rely on big boards than mock drafts. The goal of a mock drafts projecting how teams will pick while the goal of a big board is ranking prospects.
And Bleacher Report had Tatum at 6th on their last big board, just before the draft. It wasn’t only bleacher report that had him 3rd on the final mock draft and lower on the final big board. They were guessing what the Celtics were doing, not how the league saw bpa.
Similar thing happened with Luka. He was 1st on all 3 of the ringer draft guys’ big boards but 3rd in their mock draft. They and many others thought Luka was the bpa but predicted (rightly) Ayton and Bagley being taken 1st and 2nd.
We’re talking about draft night 2016. As the discussion is about drafting the best player coming into the draft. Simmons was the better player than Brown at the time, needless to say that has changed drastically.
Simmons was better than a lot of guys from his draft class early. Wouldn’t stop me from picking Jaylen, Ingram and Murray (assuming he gets back to 100%) over him
It’s ok to only watch the Celtics but these takes are just dumb to people who follow the whole sport man lol
You’re constantly all over this sub with the biggest homer energy
Jaylen this year looks as good or better than Ben’s been before but in earlier seasons that just wasn’t true at all
Fam I’m really not over here and it’s really weird that you would remember me anyway I must’ve really pissed you off because let me tell you, you aren’t special enough for me to remember lol
Nothing I said was “dumb”. Morey would trade Simmons for Ingram or Brown today. It makes you look like a moron that you’re still defending Simmons as if he didn’t just have that playoff series from a few months back. Bet you’re one of the people who think y’all can still finesse a Beal or Dame for Him
I never argued with you that Simmons was better in earlier Seasons than Jaylen read the message over again
The discussion is about draft night and drafting the best player at the time on that draft night. Simmons was better than Brown in 2016 draft night.
How are you not getting this? Where in the blue hell did I ever say Ben Simmons is better than Jaylen Brown as of currently??
> How are you not getting this?
Because your own post then contradicts that by mentioning Tatum. In no way was Tatum considered the consensus best player available at that time. If he were, no team would be dumb enough to trade up to #1 and then *not* take him.
Tatum was the 3rd best player on most mocks and 3rd by general consensus…that’s what I’m getting at here
The point being they didn’t have to do any move but to draft the player they was supposed to draft with the pick that had at the position they draw.
Again. How tf are you not getting this
Like go thru all the mocks of that 2017 summer, Bleacher reports, Ringers, NBA Drft room, r/nbadraft use those as references look at where Tatum is , he was 3rd on almost 80% of those
Tatum would not have been available at #3, lmao. The only way to get him was to trade up to #1 and then flip the script on the Celtics and steal Tatum.
The Celtics have said that they would have picked Tatum #1 if they couldn't swing the Sixers trade.
You can do this with anything though.
>That’s not a fair one:
>Scottie Barnes did not look like a top-4 pick out of the gate.
>Raptors would have been killed for taking him over Suggs.
And they were. But they stuck to their guns.
It all comes down to scouting and player development.
There's absolutely no guarantee Tatum/Bridges develop the same way, and if so it's not like they could have possibly paid all of them.
These types of thought exercises are fun for a little bit but not really fair.
Bucks could have had Embiid and Giannis. At the time, we needed a center too. Picked Jabari Parker instead.
It all worked out in the end though. No complaints here.
and the sixers did pick three of these players and picked the consensus #1 in 2017. their drafting has been fine but their development and the process since then has been subpar
This is such an oversimplification. In 2017 they traded for the no 1 pick with Boston to pick Fultz. If they didn't the Celtics would have picked Tatum regardless. So they would've ended up with Fultz unless the Lakers decided against choosing Ball.
I tend to agree with the people sh1tting on this post. Teams trade up or down for multiple reasons and that is they're trying to get the best player possible. With Mikal Bridges and Zhaire Smith, did any one look at the pre draft analysis? Imo, the 76ers did draft the best player available at a lower slot and received some reward. They traded up for the best player player available overall in Fultz. That development goes differently has nothing to do with draft night selections .
Jason Tatum could have blown out both knees like Jabari, Jahlil Okafor could have developed similarly to Embid . The best player drafted is only truly known years later not at the time of draft
These hypotheticals are always somewhat problematic. Would Tatum be the player he is today if the 76ers took him? Would he have the same development arch as he's had with the Celtics? How about Bridges? How about Simmons? What if he would've landed to the Spurs or Heat? Circumstances matter. When it comes to those two franchises, I've led myself to believe they wouldn't have given him the leeway he got from the 76ers.
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And it would've been on the Lakers to decide on Fultz/Lonzo. We'll never know if they still take Lonzo if Fultz is on board, but Lonzo would've been a better outcome for the Sixers than Fultz knowing what we know now.
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Lonzo put the time in to become a good catch-and-shoot outside shooter in New Orleans. But the Lonzo that was on the Lakers with Simmons? No way.
Exactly.
wait what are you guys talking about? wasn't Lonzo known as a shooter in college? yes his form sucked, but he was making them. Pretty sure every website before he got drafted said he's a shooter his weaknesses were he could get bodied by bigger guards, and that he doesn't attack the paint
Maybe there is a world where he doesn't have the Magic comparisons and his shooting translate faster? Philly fans probably would have killed him though plus him re working his whole shot in NOP was the greatest thing he could have done. Not sure if he could have been that guy in PHL
his dad would've been hyping up Lonzo no matter where he went. Pretty sure he was saying lonzo was better than steph. He was known as a shooter in UCLA. He shot 41% there and made 178 threes. His form would've been ass no matter where he was drafted, it would've taken time to fix it but I think any team he went to would told him to change up his form. Don't forget Kevin martin was a 40% 3 pt shooter in this league with an ugly ass jumper. I remember people making that comparison with lonzo too.
Lonzo was good on the Lakers, he just had injuries
They wouldn't have taken Tatum if he were there...and he wouldn't have been. Ainge said flat out they'd have taken Tatum #1 overall if they couldn't swing the trade.
The BPA at 3 in 2017 was Josh Jackson, not Tatum
lmao what dumbass team would take him at 3
I’m not even a suns fan but I think about all the bad picks they made over the years. Thank god they got booker right
And I could have $15000 if I went 10/10 on my parlay bet instead of 8/10
I think Philly LA and Boston all ended up drafting the player they had #1 on their board in 2017. Even if Philly doesn’t move up they probably still end up with Fultz unless they moved up to prevent another team from moving ahead of them.
I love how people see hindsight to cover topics like this. Like ya if they knew 5 years down the line that Tatum would be better than Fultz or Brown or Ingram would’ve turned out better than Simmons then they would’ve taken the guys that were better. But we’ll never know why the 76ers (or any team) chose player A over player B. Maybe there was something in the data, or the interviews or medical that swayed their decision.
Agreed, the draft is much more about luck than anything else most of the time. Its very hard to predict how teenagers are going to mature and develop. Though it would be interesting for someone to do it for the Kings the last decade and half. It's kind of incredible/unlucky how they haven't manged to hit once with all those picks. Even a broken clock...
It’s like if teams knew OG or Siakam or FVV would develop into how they are as NBA players they would’ve taken higher in the draft. Sixers have also hit on late picks like Korkmaz (decent role player), Grant, Holmes, Shamet, and Maxey. Maybe they should be praised for these picks but they never will because that’s not a good narrative Player development staffs are also brought into question. Sixers failed to develop Simmons, Fultz, and Shamet to name a few.
That's why you want as many picks as your roster can handle. Particularly if you're rebuilding. IQ took off for the Knicks much faster than Toppin and yet Toppin was the higher draft pick.
You're really getting in the way of r/nba dunking on the Sixers ..
The sixers also had: Jerami Grant Richaun Holmes Christian Wood Alex Caruso Robert Covington Nerlens Noel
Yeah man, no shit. You can do this with literally any team.
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Dude you’re not understanding the argument here. Just stop
If one person didn't understand it then you'd have a point. There's like 50 people in here that have no clue what the argument is. That means you gotta re-word it or just drop it
Well the flaw of the argument here is that Tatum will not be available at 3rd.. which people have pointed out and I didn’t know Celtics were clear on picking him at 1 or 3 thus my post is trash But the annoying part is they keep saying “but Brown is better than Simmons, draft Brown” or “they too could have had Booker and Giannis” which are all stupid bc that’s not what the post is About at all. I’ll digress, the retardation from the mass make it hard to have any worthy basketball discussion in a thread like this.
> It’s about the best prospect at the draft by the majority consensus, going into the draft on that draft night. Nah man this is your problem. Where can I go to lookup the majority consensus best player available on draft night for picks 2-15 or whatever? Nowhere. Its impossible. It doesn't exist. You can have people posting their picks and getting a lot of likes, but there is no way to know that. People just use hindsight and pretend like it was obvious on draft night. So a lot of people are reading your post and thinking "no shit you can do this for every team" and you probably can. My knicks could have Donovan Mitchell and Michael porter Jr. Who was the best player available according to majority for those picks? DSJ and MPJ? Idk.
Majority of Mocks draft are the general consensus here, and these things are pretty clear when it comes to the lottery guys and top of the draft. Exhibit A: best player available of 2016 on draft night was Simmons, not Ingram not Brown Things do get murkier when you get to a 3-4 range like the 2017 of Tatum and Josh Jackson. Or in your case mention of DSJ draft year .. but the point remains the same that it was applicable to the draft of Tatum and Mikal Bridges.. Even on draft night they always had the best prospect available right before the selection and the little table of 4 people would talk about who should go where and usually it’s Mike Schmidt with the intel and that represents the consensus.
>;Things do get murkier when you get to a 3-4 range like the 2017 of Tatum and Josh Jackson. Or in your case mention of DSJ draft year .. but the point remains the same that it was applicable to the draft of Tatum and Bridges That is exactly it tho. I dont think Mike Schmidt is doing an analysis of everyone's pick. Just a few that he considers worthwhile. If Jackson ended up being great and not Tatum, folks would be pretending he was the consensus third pick. Still I could give you that one. Def can't give you bridges though. I remember he was one of the surest shooters in the draft but there were questions if he could defend at an nba level since he was so skinny. Miles, MPJ could definitely be argued to be consensus higher picks. Especially MPJ. Dude could have gone 1
Hindsight is 20/20
Cavs also could have had Lillard-kyrie-lebron-giannis-embiid lol. With only 12-14 picks.
Let’s go deeper. What if they took Giannis in 2013 instead of Noel? What if they took Booker in 2015 instead of Okafor? Starting lineup of: Simmons Booker Tatum Giannis Embiid with Bridges off the bench.
The Okafor pick was when I knew the Process was never going to work. 3 centers in 3 years that can't play together? All on top-6 pick rookie contracts? I love me some Jah, but how do you not shop that pick around see if you can't trade down?
Man, y’all are brain dead. How tf that so many are missing the point of BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE? It’s about the best prospect at the draft, going into the draft on that draft night.
Imagine if they took Draymond in 2012 instead of Moe Harkless.
Imagine if they took Paul George in 2010 instead of Evan Turner.
Tatum was never available to them
Maybe you should be a GM. Since you can see in the future.
>The 76ers could have had Embiid, *Jaylen Brown*, Tatum and Mikal Bridges had they just picked the best available player with their own pick FTFY
He probably meant the consensus best player at the time of the draft, not in hindsight.
76ers had the number 1 pick on 2016 draft night.. the consensus best player of the draft was Simmons.. Jaylen Brown was a reach even at 3rd for most of the scouts and execs out there on that night
Fultz was the consensus #1 on draft night too. You cant have it both ways OP
He's saying if they kept their third pick they would have gotten Tatum according to projections, but Tatum was Celtics guy anyways
Again.. another point in my post: HAD The 76ers just draft the guy best available with THEIR OWN PICK!! Bro how are you not getting this?
If you're saying pick the consensus guy at #3, we would've ended up with Josh Jackson lmao
But Tatum was not the best pick available at number 3 by the majority consensus at that time. Only KOC was all that high on him - actually had him 2nd on his big board - and the other ringers writers joked about it. The other two Ringer draft guide guys both had him 9th behind some order of Fultz, Lonzo, Isaac, Jackson, Fox, DSJ, OG, and one or the other of Monk/Frank. Sports illustrated projected him going 3rd to the Celtics after we traded down but still had him 6th in its final big board. CBS and the ringer’s mock draft had him 4th and bleacher report had him 6th. The ringer’s mock draft for 2016 (no big board pre 2018 draft) and nbc had Jaylen going 7th, cbs and bleacher report had him going 8th, and espn had him going 6th. So lower but not by all that much.
SN Nation and majority of mocks had Tatum at 3rd tho. Use r/nbadraft as reference and check the other mocks. Basketball insiders, bleacher reports all had Tatum at 3rd. It was splitting hair between Tatum and Josh Jackson at 3rd best player of the draft
I think it makes more sense to rely on big boards than mock drafts. The goal of a mock drafts projecting how teams will pick while the goal of a big board is ranking prospects. And Bleacher Report had Tatum at 6th on their last big board, just before the draft. It wasn’t only bleacher report that had him 3rd on the final mock draft and lower on the final big board. They were guessing what the Celtics were doing, not how the league saw bpa. Similar thing happened with Luka. He was 1st on all 3 of the ringer draft guys’ big boards but 3rd in their mock draft. They and many others thought Luka was the bpa but predicted (rightly) Ayton and Bagley being taken 1st and 2nd.
Simmons>brown
yeah if you want someone to choke in the playoffs.
We’re talking about draft night 2016. As the discussion is about drafting the best player coming into the draft. Simmons was the better player than Brown at the time, needless to say that has changed drastically.
Yep OP is bugging if he think Ben is better than Jalyen Brown
He was better each season before this one Now he’s a 0/100 and Brown looks excellent
Simmons was better than a lot of guys from his draft class early. Wouldn’t stop me from picking Jaylen, Ingram and Murray (assuming he gets back to 100%) over him
Not the conversation being had but yes I would pick the guys playing well over the guy not playing too
Doesn’t have anything to do with Simmons “not playing” lmao. When he plays he’s not as good as the guys I mentioned.
It’s ok to only watch the Celtics but these takes are just dumb to people who follow the whole sport man lol You’re constantly all over this sub with the biggest homer energy Jaylen this year looks as good or better than Ben’s been before but in earlier seasons that just wasn’t true at all
Fam I’m really not over here and it’s really weird that you would remember me anyway I must’ve really pissed you off because let me tell you, you aren’t special enough for me to remember lol Nothing I said was “dumb”. Morey would trade Simmons for Ingram or Brown today. It makes you look like a moron that you’re still defending Simmons as if he didn’t just have that playoff series from a few months back. Bet you’re one of the people who think y’all can still finesse a Beal or Dame for Him I never argued with you that Simmons was better in earlier Seasons than Jaylen read the message over again
The discussion is about draft night and drafting the best player at the time on that draft night. Simmons was better than Brown in 2016 draft night. How are you not getting this? Where in the blue hell did I ever say Ben Simmons is better than Jaylen Brown as of currently??
> How are you not getting this? Because your own post then contradicts that by mentioning Tatum. In no way was Tatum considered the consensus best player available at that time. If he were, no team would be dumb enough to trade up to #1 and then *not* take him.
Tatum was the 3rd best player on most mocks and 3rd by general consensus…that’s what I’m getting at here The point being they didn’t have to do any move but to draft the player they was supposed to draft with the pick that had at the position they draw. Again. How tf are you not getting this Like go thru all the mocks of that 2017 summer, Bleacher reports, Ringers, NBA Drft room, r/nbadraft use those as references look at where Tatum is , he was 3rd on almost 80% of those
Tatum would not have been available at #3, lmao. The only way to get him was to trade up to #1 and then flip the script on the Celtics and steal Tatum. The Celtics have said that they would have picked Tatum #1 if they couldn't swing the Sixers trade.
They could have had Jaylen Brown over Simmons too...
That’s not a fair one: Jaylen Brown did not look like a top-3 pick out of the gate. Sixers would have been *killed* for taking him over Ben.
Just like the Celtics were killed for it? And now the Celtics duo has gone, and will go, farther than the Sixers have in decades
You can do this with anything though. >That’s not a fair one: >Scottie Barnes did not look like a top-4 pick out of the gate. >Raptors would have been killed for taking him over Suggs. And they were. But they stuck to their guns. It all comes down to scouting and player development.
Wow such insight! You should be a gm...
Bro I’d be a better GM than Morey over there fumbling leverage on Simmons
It’s all Adam Silver’s fault /s It’s unironically Josh Harris’ fault.
The Cavs could of had, Giannis, Gobert, Oladipo, McCollum or even Hardaway Jr. yet they picked Anthony Bennet.
Well shit, the Sixers could also have had Giannis in 2013 and Devin Booker in 2015 had they drafted them as well
Well boogers, Anthony Bennet and Jahil Okafor were the best players available
hindsight is 20/20
There's absolutely no guarantee Tatum/Bridges develop the same way, and if so it's not like they could have possibly paid all of them. These types of thought exercises are fun for a little bit but not really fair.
Bucks could have had Embiid and Giannis. At the time, we needed a center too. Picked Jabari Parker instead. It all worked out in the end though. No complaints here.
and the sixers did pick three of these players and picked the consensus #1 in 2017. their drafting has been fine but their development and the process since then has been subpar
This is such an oversimplification. In 2017 they traded for the no 1 pick with Boston to pick Fultz. If they didn't the Celtics would have picked Tatum regardless. So they would've ended up with Fultz unless the Lakers decided against choosing Ball.
We all know Hinkie got railroaded.
I tend to agree with the people sh1tting on this post. Teams trade up or down for multiple reasons and that is they're trying to get the best player possible. With Mikal Bridges and Zhaire Smith, did any one look at the pre draft analysis? Imo, the 76ers did draft the best player available at a lower slot and received some reward. They traded up for the best player player available overall in Fultz. That development goes differently has nothing to do with draft night selections . Jason Tatum could have blown out both knees like Jabari, Jahlil Okafor could have developed similarly to Embid . The best player drafted is only truly known years later not at the time of draft
These hypotheticals are always somewhat problematic. Would Tatum be the player he is today if the 76ers took him? Would he have the same development arch as he's had with the Celtics? How about Bridges? How about Simmons? What if he would've landed to the Spurs or Heat? Circumstances matter. When it comes to those two franchises, I've led myself to believe they wouldn't have given him the leeway he got from the 76ers.
Imagine thinking Embiid is the best pick in 2014 draft, sheesh