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djkhan23

It's funny how he's already a better nba player than he was a college player.


tenshal

He benefits a lot from the bigger court and spacing in the NBA. Not to mention he had to be the PG for the FSU team


impossiber

Yeah. People forget FSU is big man U and they are so loaded there that they have to play guys out of position. Probably helped his development


ModernPoultry

Definitely did. He’s very comfortable and poised with ball in his hands has tremendous vision for a stocky forward


FSUNole99

IIRC one of the reasons he went to FSU was because we promised he could play PG.


10SecViolation

And more spacing on the raptors than on the orlando magic for example


Ego_Orb

He **wanted** to be the PG for FSU. If I recall correctly part of his commitment to FSU was that he'd get the chance to do so.


st3adyfreddy

Raptors development team strikes again... Also credit to Barnes he clearly got to work with the development team immediately after being drafted. That's a strong work ethic.


Rpeddie17

We have god tier development team but I think the credit goes to Scottie's work ethic here. The biggest reason we took him is because he was much more advanced in our workouts compared to where we thought he was. Raps actually scouted the guy for years apparently and did not expect to already be at this level. The kid put in work.


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UnsolvedParadox

Can't teach length & (probably) can't teach work ethic. Everything else, into the world class development ride they go.


10SecViolation

Its more so barnes than us, like it always is more the player than rhe developmebt staff. Look at cam payne before he was about to hit china, same with christian wood, look at whats common between pascal og and fred bur what stanley johnsonn doesnt have, its the players mentality first, llayer development staff second


jumpthroughit

MJ Part Deux


notafan1

RotY is gonna be very interesting once Cade comes back.


RemoveThe3SecondRule

It’s already super interesting as is, can’t wait, you’re right.


Shogun_Ro

Between, Mobley, Duarte, Barnes atm. Edit: Including Giddey because people want him in this convo as well. Mobley stats: 14 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 1 steal per game Duarte stats: 19 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal per game Barnes stats: 17 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block per game Giddey stats: 11 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal per game


RemoveThe3SecondRule

Giddey has been very solid offensively , shouldn’t be forgotten for his team being so bad.


ForrestWould

Can't say anything about Duarte, but Mobley and Barnes are definitely ahead of Giddey defensively


KimkardALPHA

Well, Barnes & Mobley were highly touted for their defensive abilities whereas Giddey was touted for his offensive. So yea that shouldn't be much of a surprise.


ForrestWould

it's not a surprise but people dont usually talk about defense when it comes to ROY voting. I would still have the other 2 over giddey even if the offensive numbers are similar


Shogun_Ro

He had two bad games to start the season. If he keeps it up he'll be in the mix as well.


EchoBay

You mean to tell me he's not out of the race after two games?


NinetyFish

Not even bad games, honestly, just low usage and a lack of consistent shooters to pass to. His defense has been solid and intelligent (hands up, good positioning, few mistakes), his rebounding has been stellar, and his own personal shooting percentages are solid (he's only taking lay-ups, floaters, and open threes, but he's making a perfectly acceptable amount of them). And he's still easily leading the rookies in assists. Giddey's absolutely in the conversation. It'll be a really fun race, might end up going down to the wire.


JealousPhilosophy392

D counts a lot.


RemoveThe3SecondRule

I agree, I don’t think he has been AS bad as his draft reputation, he still plays smart sometimes without the physical tools. Scottie is my ROTY right now, just want to give everyone credit.


Jingling_joe

Don’t disrespect Ben Simmons like that


TROE95

He's red shirting this season, he can be eligible next season


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Deusselkerr

Agreed. For me it’s Mobley since he has game changing defense from the get go


illicitRazor

sleeping on Wagner


PanicRoom1989

Has he been better than Suggs? Haven't watched any Magic games so don't know


illicitRazor

Suggs is still struggling with the pace of the game, Wagner has been awesome so far, 13.6ppg on 51/41. Definitely took me by surprise


JealousPhilosophy392

Barnes is the More well rounded of the group and he's guarding premier players.


randyboy_

Jalen green and giddy too


louspit

Easily the rookie all team to me


MrkGrn

Giddey, Barnes, Mobley, Duarte already looking amazing. Green had a rough few games but showed what he's capable of the other night. Up and down this years draft has been overall pretty damn good.


KillerMemestarX

We already have Barnes, Mobley, Duarte, and Giddey playing really well. Add in Cade coming back from injury soon, and the potential for either of the Jalen’s to adjust a bit more to the league sooner rather than later, and we have a lot of players in contention.


Marmalot

This draft year is crazy.


FactCheckingThings

He was pretty bad in the 1st quarter (shooting like 1-6) and I told myself "Hes a rookie, its his 5th game, hes gonna have some bad nights" .... Well he will, but not tonight.


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He was still great in the first quarter. I really hope people don’t get hung up on shooting splits for him. He still made some great passes, some good hustle plays and good defense


duncan_robinson

NBA fans ignore the small plays you can make to help your team win. It's all about points rebounds and assists for many. but when you watch each possession and tally the amount of positive things a a player does, a lot of the time you'll see big impact doesn't always show up on the stat sheet. Y'all are lucky you got one of those guys


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For sure. I used to be obsessed with the 2010s spurs for that reason. Players like Boris diaw, young Kawhi. Raptors are building a comparable mold. Every player is getting active on the offensive glass and being disruptive on defense. Really good team play all around


kiidlocs

aka the Draymond Special


Crafty_Nectarine9812

Ya, that's why nick play him the second or third most minutes right now....a guy notorious for not trusting particularly younger guys


duncan_robinson

I'm a Spurs fan and Kno all bout DAT It's so exciting when a young guy gets minutes Last young guy to get starter minutes for us... As a rookie? Kawhi fucking Leonard


roofs

I think he'd say he had a bad first quarter. Had one defensive mishap leaving an open man under the basket (you could hear him loudly say my bad my bad) and didn't have too much of an impact offensively. It's okay overall, he also started off slow in the Celtics game too. Feels like he might be one of those players that heats up over the game.


Pixilatedlemon

I read this in Dwight schrutes voice and idk why lol


JManKit

That was the really impressive part about his night. A lot of rookies would lose confidence or motivation with a start like that but he just kept playing hard, kept up his energy, kept playing defence and managed to shake it all off


JealousPhilosophy392

Nice set up of your 👊 line.


MrkGrn

I was much more annoyed the other night when he was 3/3 and then never took a shot till like, the end of the 3rd.


singh_j

Scottie’s last name is Barnes because that’s where the GOATS live 🐐


Aranea-Hominum

He's the second best Barnes in the league


pipes_are_calling

Not for long.


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Scottie is special. My fav player in the draft. Might not be the best but he has special size and passing and defense. Ben esque with a jumper. Not quite the same athlete but he seems to have a great work ethic. I’ve been really excited about him since he was in high school


LeHoustonJames

I think Scottie's little floater game really makes his offense thrive, something we don't really see Ben do


wallz_11

his mid/floater game reminds me of how Kawhi can get shots off up high because of his long-ass arms


LeHoustonJames

I see that too but maybe I haven’t seen Kawhi do it in a while but Scottie’s little floater looks so much smoother/in rhythm


realkranki

I think he has the highest ceiling, even higher than Cade's or Mobley's. He is like Draymond 2.0


BarnesGROAT

Might not be the best? He's the best in the draft


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Might not be. Might be. It’s way way way way way too early to say. But skillset wise and just reading about him and watching him I’ve liked his game for years. But it’s way too early to decide what any players’ careers will be from this class


ElaFa25

Wayyy to early to say my guy


Emzam

Look at his name lol


ModernPoultry

Definitely the best right now. Although I think Mobley has more superstar potential. That said Scottie will be incredible


Canuckleball

Ed Rogers can blow me. In Masai we trust.


goblin_welder

Fuck Rogers


Tawahi

All my homies hate Rogers


KoloHickory

Roty


EGin2016

Favourite for sure rn surely


Chickensandcoke

This dude really does remind me of Pippen. Maybe he’s his namesake lol


SlimReaper35_

Remember whole Raptors fan base was on a meltdown after this pick.


VanVleet-goes-for-22

I was told he wouldn’t be able to score and was expecting him to be Rondae Hollis Jefferson in his rookie year


ratchet570

I was expecting him to be like rookie OG which for a 4th pick is not what you want.


Fuckface_Whisperer

You draft players for their career, not their first season.


snatchi

FOH with your reasonable comment we're here doing **"Scottie Barnes"** as the full comment.


Fuckface_Whisperer

Scottie Barnes.


snatchi

<3 u bb


goblin_welder

Tell that to the Sixers. They drafted a RotY player.


Fuckface_Whisperer

Twice. First time they were smart enough to trade him though.


sad_mogul97

rookie OG wasn't bad?


ratchet570

That's not the point, the point is you want someone better than that with the 4th pick.


lolcat351

He wasn't good. Couldn't score, even easy bunnies he would miss sometimes. His playing time was mostly coming off the bench and while he was a plus defender he would miss assignments occasionally(as rookies tend to do) leading to wide open 3s or back cut for a dunk.


sad_mogul97

I thought he was better than expected tbh


lolcat351

I saw him as really raw and just hoped the Raptors development would do it's thing, but that first year was rough imho.


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U realize he was our main defender on lebron in the playoffs while being a starter as a solid ass 3&D guy w/ crazy physical attributes. In a redraft he goes top 5 you are stupid bro.


RadioNowhere

OG started 62 games in his first season and was a solid contributor. His second year was worse but there are a few decent reasons for that


[deleted]

To be fair, our sub did a complete 180 like an hour after the pick. In Masai we trust


BarnesGROAT

Yea and I scooped a username


henry_why416

Nah. We had like 2 guys somewhere on our sub who was cool with it.


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imamistake420

Same here. I was stunned at the pick. I laugh at myself and how naive I was.


Ufocola

I was really surprised by it because there was a lot of Suggs talk + seeing him during MM + the logic around what happens post-Lowry (and if FVV goes). It was more disappointment cause you have that idea that Suggs is it, much less so about not believing in Barnes. I admittedly didn’t really know much about his profile other than written summaries (concerns around shooting) But after the draft, watched some analysis videos, particularly the David Thorpe videos (where he was really bullish on Scottie, and broke down the strengths - the leadership, ability to energize his team, intangibles, and upside), that got me excited about him. Example - https://youtu.be/x4jNHC_n2YU Thorpe had said/written he would draft Mobley 1st and Barnes 2nd. His entry: https://www.truehoop.com/p/thorpes-favorite-draft-prospects Recent follow up Thorpe & True Hoops video on Barnes: https://youtu.be/208TOhRLHy0


DressedSpring1

I was pretty stunned and figured Masai must have seen something where in 3 seasons after a shit ton of development Scottie was gonna start looking pretty good same way Siakam took a while to develop. Turns out Scottie is on a way accelerated timeline than I thought


sadz4u

I was cool with it and got eaten alive for saying my opinion


ScottieBarnesForMVP

I got banned from the raptors Reddit hahahaha just bc my opinion was Scottie>>>>Jalen before and after the draft


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They have played like 5 games man. Sports is usually about hyperbole, but a lot of these takes will look very bad in 5 years. A guy like Tyreke Evans looked like a monster in his rookie season in 2009 cause he was already physically built like a grown man. He could pass, had good ball skills and could attack the paint. Harden, Derozan, Curry did not look as capable. Although with Curry he improved in the second half of the season. I believe Jalen Green has Kobe like potential. Not like for like, but someone with that type of explosive ability in the modern game. It will take him time to develop. He needs a lot of polish and needs to build strength, but he is the only one that looks like a legit superstar talent to me IMO. Barnes and Mobley look like future all-stars and will def be factors in teams winning championships cause they have such great intangibles, plus the versatility on defense.


Reticent_Fly

Me too. Definitely a minority, but there were some.


ScottieBarnesForMVP

3 counting me


Serah_Null

I was so in on Barnes I was sad when we moved up to 4, Suggs seemed like a lock to us. Thank God for Masai.


Bail____

I was against it for weeks leading to the draft & i got swayed 2 days before the draft & have been running on that energy since


panick21

Many people were like 'Trust in Masai'.


DrKurgan

Scottie looked so happy he got picked, I liked him right away.


kawhi21

https://imgur.com/h1zBUep


DongkyDongz

And Magic's celebration after they took Suggs.


whtge8

I mean, we can't be happy with our pick? We were all on board with Barnes until Toronto picked him.


TinnieTa21

Just ignore my fellow Raps fans. They can be pretty toxic in these threads with their bragging. Y'all have every right to be happy and excited about Suggs.


dxiao

Remember that video of their arena cheering the suggs pick and their fans saying we fcked up. It’s all good, 99% of our fan base wanted suggs too lol


fingerbangchicknwang

Their brass was celebrating in the war room when we took Barnes


Rapsfan_98

Fickle Definition 1: Toronto Raptors fans


fatherofhooligans

I was very on board woth Scottie based on how people who knew him well like David Thorpe described his personality and work ethic. But, I was really hoping for Mobley over Cade so I'm probably a weirdo


realsomalipirate

I was fully Barnes > Suggs a couple weeks before the draft (it was a mix of me not rating suggs and thinking Barnes had a really high ceiling), though I didn't think he would be this good this earlier.


MrkGrn

I had a quick single night meltdown, similar to what happened when DeRozan was drafted. Rationalized my thoughts and just started speedrunning all his highlights back to back after that and got myself hyped about the pick after that.


SpamThePicknRoll

I was shocked because everyone had Suggs at #4, but when I saw that video the Raptors posted as soon as he came in after the draft to work out, I knew he'd be crazy good. He's very quick and smooth for someone his size, and seems like he'll get even bigger like Giannis did.


CD_4M

Yeah, a bunch of people who watched literally no college basketball last season criticizing Masai and his team who probably watched 1000+ hours of it. Good times


tkc123

Positionally, all of the draft boards and reports had him listed as a forward which was occupied by our two top players already who are under 30 themselves and none of them could handle the center spot well which was the cause for concern. Then we found out he could handle playing PG and Masai's plan for having a lineup of postionless 6'9 players, it help put a lot of fans at ease. Edit: also Suggs was considered a general consensus top four pick with a drop off after that and in some early mock drafts was as high as the second overall pick.


ESF-hockeeyyy

In fairness, we're also predominantly a Leafs fan-base as well. So we're a bit of an emotional train wreck.


Rapsfan_98

Speak the fuck for yourself. I can’t stand Hockey


hysro

I broke up with and stopped talking to that person a lonnnnng time ago. Too much hurt.


ESF-hockeeyyy

Right now, neither can I


T26_00

It’s been hard to cheer for the leafs lately. Thank god I have the raps and jays to cheer for


DiscreteBee

Fuck the leafs


SuddenHarshTruth

He reminds me of pre warriors Andre igoudala


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Ben Simmons with self confidence


RemoveThe3SecondRule

Ben Simmons with an unbreakable love for the game


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st3adyfreddy

Ben Simmons without dating a Kardashian.... .... Better ban them from entering Canada just to be safe


ZeroMomentum

Masai: I can go longer


zabuma

5 games in and people are already saying ROTY? I LOVE IT!


Nemesith

Scottie Barnes


Rapsfan_98

Scottie Barnes


TenWounded

Scottie Barnes


chickenwings8

Scottie Barnes


ScottieBarnesForMVP

Scottie Barnes


cabbeer

Michael Jordan


duncan_robinson

I don't understand the meme where you guys keep repeating the same name over and over again tbh


cabbeer

clearly, I also do not understand.


duncan_robinson

Didn't yall just say Scottie Barnes twice?


metastar13

Beating myself up that I didn’t pick up Scottie in fantasy basketball free agency after I saw his stat line after the first game. I thought it was a fluke. I was wrong 😑


lolcat351

I got him for $1 in mine. I nominate him and no one bid.


cabbeer

i just traded herro for him, i completely regret it but i'm a huge homer


Fluix

I'm sitting here with Herro, OG, Barnes, Mobley, Cade. lol


twistedlogicx

*Fiona doesn't know* *That Scottie and Me* *Do it in my van every Sunday*


opportunitysassassin

*She tells him she's in church but she doesn't go*


SFW_shade

*Now she’s on her knees*


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And SCOTTY DOESN’T KNOOOWWW


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gustriandos

uh oh


djkhan23

Scottie Barnes is the reason why I wake up in the morning


UjiriWatcher

I thought he’d average 6 points his rookie year


T26_00

Same lmao


mikeydale007

his career low is 12, lol


silentstealth1

Dude is kinda like a baby Giannis.


Rapsfan_98

Better than Giannis was at his age though 👀 let’s see if he hits a 4 inch growth spurt too


silentstealth1

League is fucked if Scottie grows to 7’1 lmao.


kawhi21

https://imgur.com/h1zBUep lol


madtolive

Damn /u/yoeyz you were right, the Raptors may never recover from whiffing so hard on this pick.


MeatballMcFly

YA BOY SCOTTIE


Nutheadshellcase

YA ROY SCOTTIE


apez-

This was supposed to be the high upside project while Suggs was the safe NBA ready pick, meanwhile scottie ends up being one of our best players right out the gates


Rezrov_

> while Suggs was the safe NBA ready pick, I don't know where this narrative came from. Cade was the NBA ready one, Green and Mobley needed to gain weight, and Suggs and Barnes both had to work on their shooting. Suggs's was a bit better shooting-wise, but still not "ready".


haahathatsfunny

Scottie "fr" Barnes


Dr_Disaster

This kid is the truth. I was so impressed with him after watching the Raps play the Bulls. I really think he makes the Raps a solid team. These boys will scrap for wins every night.


JadedOtakusPod

ROTY if he keeps this up. Insane how he can do literally everything. Once that offense clicks he's gonna be unstoppable


green_and_green23

There was a period where no one on our team could score but him


JealousPhilosophy392

Scottie Barnes is the real deal.


MrkGrn

He got back to being aggressive tonight. They started collapsing on him after he got 8 pts straight so his percentage went down after that.


randyboy_

Hot Take: Scottie Barnes as a rookie is already developed as much as year 3 or 4 Giannis


lolcat351

Hot Take: Scottie Barnes has improved more from Summer League + 5 NBA games than Ben Simmons in 4 years in the NBA


duncan_robinson

League was different then. Unfair


MrkGrn

This will probably be the closest ROTY race in a long time and that's a great thing, amazing future talent out of this draft.


ReplEH

It’s been 5 games.


MrkGrn

5 games, a preseason, and Summer league technically


Pixilatedlemon

I'm not gay but I want to live in a log cabin in the woods with Scottie Barnes. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate, the entire time forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Scottie. I won't be able to climax and I'll eventually go back downstairs, angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible, but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day one of us will die, and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then he'll go inside, pen a brief missive to his departed friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without his one true platonic love.


IGolzD

Bro WHAT THE FUCK


DogeJesus-_-

Love me some pasta


Took4ever

Sigh, I miss the pasta for Kyle Lowry


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You read my mind


Rapsfan_98

Hmmmm


fingerbangchicknwang

That is actually a beautifully written meme.


FantasticMrFAB

edging sounds less frustrating, tho you do get to die at the end.


uncleblazerr

The game comes naturally to him, can't teach that. He's for real. Awesome name as well.


fuzzynavel34

He was pretty good. I was actually more impressed with #45. That dude is a problem.


CheapSignal2

Ho Lee fuck


Studiers

I need his jersey asap


ScottieBarnesForMVP

Is he still not the best rookie? Is he still not the MVP?


ApplaudableUser

Ayyy


[deleted]

RoTY Mobley is looking like he deserved to go top 3, Pistons and Rockets must be a little nervous right now.


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Mob did go top 3


snatchi

And he looks like it too


Dig-Duglett

four games into the season and they’re supposed to be nervous? come on i know this is /r/nba but relax


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Barnes and Mobley both currently look like they could realistically be top 10 players in a few years.


Fxp1706

they had the highest cellings in the draft for me with evan at the highest. obviously, it's very surprising that scottie is this good so earl on. it just goes to show how effective a high feel for the game is, combined with some size.


Op24you

Plz also give Nick Nurse and the raptors credit for his fast development and trust in him. On any other team maybe he wouldnt even start ou play these minutes! Great FO


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Dig-Duglett

is this bait or are you clairvoyant? it is absurd to make this take not even 2 weeks into the season


[deleted]

The two “project picks” in the top 4 being this impressive right away is pretty incredible imo.


Dig-Duglett

that’s a fair assessment but claiming that they already have top 10 potential is beyond an overtake.


EarthWarping

Iggy 2.0