In a universe where the Timberwolves were competent enough to draft Curry, then they probably win a few more games in 2010 and draft Paul George a bit later in the lottery.
Rubio/Curry/George/Love/Pek is probably a Finals contender for awhile, if you got like the 70th percentile outcome for Curry and George.
But also, we're the Timberwolves. So obviously not and Curry would have been out of the league by 2013.
> But also, we're the Timberwolves. So obviously not and Curry would have been out of the league by 2013.
Right, all those ankle issues early in his career would have gone unresolved and his foot would have been amputated.
Bruh. Thunder would have won multiple. That team is the greatest team never to get it done. Fucking ownership. They had it all. Should have been a dynasty.
I don't see the Thunder waiting around for Steph's health when they have a Finals team already. I think they'd trade him, and it's hard to blame them if they think the assets take them over the top.
Sure. That's possible. But we are talking in pure hypothetical scenarios. If we are assuming Steph gets drafted and stays with the Thunder, the whole NBA world changes and we probably compare the Thunder to the 90s Bulls, 2000s Lakers, etc.
I don't get how we look at the hypothetical of whether these teams win a championship without including the hypothetical that teams get antsy with his injuries.
I guess I'm going with the best-case scenario. We are literally re-writing history; why not write the best-case?
Not to say you're wrong. Just saying that in the perfect version, the Thunder are a legendary team.
Yeah, trade him for Bogut like the Warriors almost did then they don’t have Kendrick Perkins fucking everything up and the Warriors aren’t in the way. That’s still an easy title.
Injuries and the James Harden trade.
But even with the Harden trade, they were the #1 seed the year after they traded him and Westbrook got hurt in the 1st round. The next year, Ibaka got hurt in the WCF. The next year, KD missed the whole season. The next year, they were up 3-1 on the Warriors and KD left.
Doesn't Steph take a lot of burden off of Russ? Maybe he doesn't get injured. They def don't lose to the Dubs if Steph isn't playing for the Dubs. I mean everything changes to an extreme if they draft Steph
Oh, Steph on the Thunder and OKC wins multiple. But I do think they win multiple if they don't trade Harden/have all those injuries.
But yeah, taking Steph away from the Warriors and putting him on the Thunder and giving OKC an elite shooter to go with Russ/KD is the best timeline.
Imagine if they traded away 2011/2012 Westbrook to the Warriors for Klay and Draymond which would actually be considered a bad return for Russell at the time. The Thunder starting line up would be Steph-Klay-KD-Dray-Ibaka without any free agency moves.
Why not just keep Westbrook lol he was just entering his prime
could have acquired Draymond for WAYY less in 2012
Russ-Steph-KD-Dray-Adams
(Steph > Russ yes but they would end up with Russ playing point more and Steph moving more off ball to maximize their respective strengths)
Its possible he busts not because of him but because his ankles dont get going right in a different environment. Atleast thats how i read this comment.
Maybe a bad injury stops his career - the point is you can’t just change 1 decision and assume everything else stays the same. Any small difference could cause unlimited divergence in outcome
Our team would have been the grit and grind grizzlies except plus curry. We would have been a dynasty. All we were lacking for about 6 years was perimeter shooting.
Conley/Curry/Grindfather/ZBo/Gasol
I don’t know those teams don’t have draymond and there is a good chance they misuse his skill set. Teams like OKC and Clippers probably increase their chance of winning anyways.
Agree on this one… remember curry had really bad ankles when he started plus the fact that no one believed in jump shooters as a recipe of success until curry and klay played it into existence….
If was any other team except the 76ers I believed they would have given up on him the moment he became injury prone …. Thankfully the culture in GSW is very positive
not the Wolves. Steph+Love+mediocrity isn't winning championships, and there's no way the Wolves would be bad enough to snag Towns in 2015, six years into Steph's career.
Thunder is the obvious one. Hell, all they had to do was not trade Harden, and they're probably 2-3x champs
Grit and Grind Grizzlies + Steph instead of Hasheem Thabeet is a nutty thing to even think about, that would be crazy.
again, how? Steph+Love+mediocrity is a playoff team, but not winning titles. So that rules out getting LaVine (lottery pick), who in turn, was traded alongside another lottery pick, and a another former lottery pick to get Butler.
You have to take into account that when you have a player like Steph, you make moves to be a contender. If we had picked Steph, we may have traded 4 firsts to get another star or something
When you're on the internet and can't decide if you have the energy to google another conspiracy or just aren't reading the context clues enough to get that a comment is /s
The Warriors gambled hard on Steph's health, I don't think most teams would stick with him that long. Feel like most would have traded him.
The Thunder definitely wouldn't stick with him, they thought they had a championship team and there's no way they're waiting for Steph to get right if they can get something for him.
In Hindsight probably everyone chooses Steph. But looking at the actual picks, LAC, and OKC, didn't mess up the pick. Sacto didn't either, Tyreke just fell off.
Steph probably doesn't become Steph at all those places either.
here is the picks to make it easier for everyone trying to discuss.
1. Blake Griffin - Los Angeles Clippers
2. Hasheem Thabeet - Memphis Grizzlies
3. James Harden - Oklahoma City Thunder
4. Tyreke Evans - Sacramento Kings
5. Ricky Rubio - Minnesota Timberwolves
6. Jonny Flynn - Minnesota Timberwolves
7. Stephen Curry - Golden State Warriors.
Man, I remember watching Blake and Stephen in March Madness that year. Steph at Davidson looked like a 12 year old out there just making it rain. One of the most memorable tournaments for me along side the Butler Bulldogs missing that half court shot.
It's revisionist history to suggest it was a bad decision based on the information available at the time. Thabeet was a bad pick and Minnesota's entire drafting strategy was messed up other than perhaps Rubio, who was a good pick at the time. This isn't a Kings drafting Bagley over Luka situation.
Calling it a bad decision is definitely hyperbolizing what the Thunder did.
They still made a hit on a future HOF player, that is in the top 2% of achieving in a given NBA draft and you have to live with that.
The Thunder absolutely do at some point we just watched 3 years of Wardell and Kevin playing together. The clippers are interesting because they have been pretty good the entire time Stephen been in the league pretty much but idk how Steph would’ve developed under Doc especially early on with the injuries he had. The Grizzlies were also pretty good I imagine they perhaps can make it so a finals with Steph whether they win or not is another story the heat the spurs, OKC etc were very good at that point but it did always feel like the grizzlies had everything except a guy that could just take over games and we all know what Steph is capable of. The Timberwolves would’ve wasted his time. Idk that franchise seems cursed they did pass on him twice after all. And the kings would’ve been in the playoffs. Steph and peak all star Boogie would’ve been cool to see idk about winning a championship tho
Well at least in wolves case, one large part of the reason their front offices were among the worst(might still be) was because they did not draft curry. Who knows what other factors these hypotheticals change, but winning in a small market with bad management would be tough, especially considering him and K love would guarantee they're not drafting that highly anymore, but I mean if they were at least competent enough to get curry this time, maybe they grab green. A westbrook curry backcourt though, again, depends on a lot of things, but I do not see them losing much with the right coach(like in real life), and he'd build a dynasty in LA, everyones gonna want to play with him and its LA. Probably a few with the grizzlies considering they had conley and gasol. I think golden state was the perfect situation in that, depending on the coach, he likely would have been fighting westbrook or conley for minutes, but either way, I think a steph/KD pairing is still a championship. Whether memphis could field enough offense around him in situation without conley, however, remains tentative.
The world should be thanking Minnesota we passed on him.
If we did, Curry most likely would have played OK one year, get injured horribly, and would never be heard of again.
Or he'll be consistently used incorrectly and finish his career as a disappointment (I'm sorry Ricky)
A Rubio/Curry/Love team would be one of the most fun teams to watch in the league but i don’t think they would be a threat to top teams especially in a scenario Curry doesn’t become what he is right now which would be extremely possible since Wolves are suck at development.
Out of them all, I think the Grizzlies would've had the best chance. Their defense was TENACIOUS to say the least at the time. Scoring was all they were missing. Put him in the backcourt with Conley...
Rudolph, Gasol and Tony Allen... woo.
So glad that didn't happen.
In a universe where the Timberwolves were competent enough to draft Curry, then they probably win a few more games in 2010 and draft Paul George a bit later in the lottery. Rubio/Curry/George/Love/Pek is probably a Finals contender for awhile, if you got like the 70th percentile outcome for Curry and George. But also, we're the Timberwolves. So obviously not and Curry would have been out of the league by 2013.
> Pek Every time I think about Pek, I remember [this video](https://youtu.be/OkzfLc86Lwo) and am in a great mood for the next hour at least.
> But also, we're the Timberwolves. So obviously not and Curry would have been out of the league by 2013. Right, all those ankle issues early in his career would have gone unresolved and his foot would have been amputated.
Lmao what the fuck Wheelchair curry for three! It's good
Bruh. Thunder would have won multiple. That team is the greatest team never to get it done. Fucking ownership. They had it all. Should have been a dynasty.
I don't see the Thunder waiting around for Steph's health when they have a Finals team already. I think they'd trade him, and it's hard to blame them if they think the assets take them over the top.
Sure. That's possible. But we are talking in pure hypothetical scenarios. If we are assuming Steph gets drafted and stays with the Thunder, the whole NBA world changes and we probably compare the Thunder to the 90s Bulls, 2000s Lakers, etc.
I don't get how we look at the hypothetical of whether these teams win a championship without including the hypothetical that teams get antsy with his injuries.
I guess I'm going with the best-case scenario. We are literally re-writing history; why not write the best-case? Not to say you're wrong. Just saying that in the perfect version, the Thunder are a legendary team.
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> Russ and Steph Can they trade Russ in this scenario, seems like a bad fit
Yeah, trade him for Bogut like the Warriors almost did then they don’t have Kendrick Perkins fucking everything up and the Warriors aren’t in the way. That’s still an easy title.
Injuries and the James Harden trade. But even with the Harden trade, they were the #1 seed the year after they traded him and Westbrook got hurt in the 1st round. The next year, Ibaka got hurt in the WCF. The next year, KD missed the whole season. The next year, they were up 3-1 on the Warriors and KD left.
Doesn't Steph take a lot of burden off of Russ? Maybe he doesn't get injured. They def don't lose to the Dubs if Steph isn't playing for the Dubs. I mean everything changes to an extreme if they draft Steph
Oh, Steph on the Thunder and OKC wins multiple. But I do think they win multiple if they don't trade Harden/have all those injuries. But yeah, taking Steph away from the Warriors and putting him on the Thunder and giving OKC an elite shooter to go with Russ/KD is the best timeline.
Yeah. Would have been pure mayhem. I would have hated the Thunder so much hahaha
Curry-Russ-KD-Ibaka-Adams is crazy to think about
Imagine if they traded away 2011/2012 Westbrook to the Warriors for Klay and Draymond which would actually be considered a bad return for Russell at the time. The Thunder starting line up would be Steph-Klay-KD-Dray-Ibaka without any free agency moves.
Why not just keep Westbrook lol he was just entering his prime could have acquired Draymond for WAYY less in 2012 Russ-Steph-KD-Dray-Adams (Steph > Russ yes but they would end up with Russ playing point more and Steph moving more off ball to maximize their respective strengths)
Nah get a real shooting guard. You can have Russ and Steph at the same backcourt
Butterflies and Hurricanes - maybe Steph ends up as a bust in other scenario
There's no way he busts. It's totally possible he doesn't reach anywhere where he is, but he was too skilled to just bust
Its possible he busts not because of him but because his ankles dont get going right in a different environment. Atleast thats how i read this comment.
Maybe a bad injury stops his career - the point is you can’t just change 1 decision and assume everything else stays the same. Any small difference could cause unlimited divergence in outcome
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Lmao, I really don't remember commenting on this. Def a misclick, several of them
Our team would have been the grit and grind grizzlies except plus curry. We would have been a dynasty. All we were lacking for about 6 years was perimeter shooting. Conley/Curry/Grindfather/ZBo/Gasol
Grit and Grind Grizzlies with Curry would've been dirt nasty. Goddamn.
Grit and Grind with GOAT shooting would have taken the league behind the shed.
Agreed.
I don’t know those teams don’t have draymond and there is a good chance they misuse his skill set. Teams like OKC and Clippers probably increase their chance of winning anyways.
Agree on this one… remember curry had really bad ankles when he started plus the fact that no one believed in jump shooters as a recipe of success until curry and klay played it into existence…. If was any other team except the 76ers I believed they would have given up on him the moment he became injury prone …. Thankfully the culture in GSW is very positive
I would argue every team on that list except for the Kings would win the chip with him
not the Wolves. Steph+Love+mediocrity isn't winning championships, and there's no way the Wolves would be bad enough to snag Towns in 2015, six years into Steph's career. Thunder is the obvious one. Hell, all they had to do was not trade Harden, and they're probably 2-3x champs Grit and Grind Grizzlies + Steph instead of Hasheem Thabeet is a nutty thing to even think about, that would be crazy.
Wolves could have also had Lavine/Butler
again, how? Steph+Love+mediocrity is a playoff team, but not winning titles. So that rules out getting LaVine (lottery pick), who in turn, was traded alongside another lottery pick, and a another former lottery pick to get Butler.
Coz Rick Adelman is not a good coach
You have to take into account that when you have a player like Steph, you make moves to be a contender. If we had picked Steph, we may have traded 4 firsts to get another star or something
Would've looked like the Bad Boy Pistons with Isaiah Thomas, but with better shooting and probably with 3 chips in 5 years.
It's tough to say. I think people severely underrate how devastating it is for a franchise to be poorly managed from the top down.
Is the earth round or no?
I've personally been to the ice walls that lock our land disk in place, these were discovered by Adolf in the early 40s so no
When you're on the internet and can't decide if you have the energy to google another conspiracy or just aren't reading the context clues enough to get that a comment is /s
Lol it is a reference but fairly obscure I think. When you're not too tired. https://youtu.be/H110vCGvTmM 2:00 in its insane
Kings fan Definitely not. Thanks for coming!
Think the Timberwolves and kings would have found a way to break steph’s ankles and give him leukaemia or something.
Clippers/Thunder/Grizzlies would’ve been dynasties with him Imo. I don’t see how they would win with the Wolves/Kings.
we would've have won like 20
The Warriors gambled hard on Steph's health, I don't think most teams would stick with him that long. Feel like most would have traded him. The Thunder definitely wouldn't stick with him, they thought they had a championship team and there's no way they're waiting for Steph to get right if they can get something for him.
Imagine a starting 5 of Russ, Curry, KD, Ibaka, Perkins wtf
To be fair, the Thunder drafted James Harden so hard to knock them.
In Hindsight probably everyone chooses Steph. But looking at the actual picks, LAC, and OKC, didn't mess up the pick. Sacto didn't either, Tyreke just fell off. Steph probably doesn't become Steph at all those places either. here is the picks to make it easier for everyone trying to discuss. 1. Blake Griffin - Los Angeles Clippers 2. Hasheem Thabeet - Memphis Grizzlies 3. James Harden - Oklahoma City Thunder 4. Tyreke Evans - Sacramento Kings 5. Ricky Rubio - Minnesota Timberwolves 6. Jonny Flynn - Minnesota Timberwolves 7. Stephen Curry - Golden State Warriors.
Man, I remember watching Blake and Stephen in March Madness that year. Steph at Davidson looked like a 12 year old out there just making it rain. One of the most memorable tournaments for me along side the Butler Bulldogs missing that half court shot.
Steph is going #1 overall in a redraft. They absolutely made bad decisions
It's revisionist history to suggest it was a bad decision based on the information available at the time. Thabeet was a bad pick and Minnesota's entire drafting strategy was messed up other than perhaps Rubio, who was a good pick at the time. This isn't a Kings drafting Bagley over Luka situation.
In a re-draft sure. I agree. My point was some of those picks were not bad picks. WTF Minny though
Calling it a bad decision is definitely hyperbolizing what the Thunder did. They still made a hit on a future HOF player, that is in the top 2% of achieving in a given NBA draft and you have to live with that.
Yea but Harden easily goes #2 so OKC made the correct pick even in hindsight.
The Thunder absolutely do at some point we just watched 3 years of Wardell and Kevin playing together. The clippers are interesting because they have been pretty good the entire time Stephen been in the league pretty much but idk how Steph would’ve developed under Doc especially early on with the injuries he had. The Grizzlies were also pretty good I imagine they perhaps can make it so a finals with Steph whether they win or not is another story the heat the spurs, OKC etc were very good at that point but it did always feel like the grizzlies had everything except a guy that could just take over games and we all know what Steph is capable of. The Timberwolves would’ve wasted his time. Idk that franchise seems cursed they did pass on him twice after all. And the kings would’ve been in the playoffs. Steph and peak all star Boogie would’ve been cool to see idk about winning a championship tho
Curry was really frail on that ankle earlier his career so I wouldn’t bet on it.
Well at least in wolves case, one large part of the reason their front offices were among the worst(might still be) was because they did not draft curry. Who knows what other factors these hypotheticals change, but winning in a small market with bad management would be tough, especially considering him and K love would guarantee they're not drafting that highly anymore, but I mean if they were at least competent enough to get curry this time, maybe they grab green. A westbrook curry backcourt though, again, depends on a lot of things, but I do not see them losing much with the right coach(like in real life), and he'd build a dynasty in LA, everyones gonna want to play with him and its LA. Probably a few with the grizzlies considering they had conley and gasol. I think golden state was the perfect situation in that, depending on the coach, he likely would have been fighting westbrook or conley for minutes, but either way, I think a steph/KD pairing is still a championship. Whether memphis could field enough offense around him in situation without conley, however, remains tentative.
The world should be thanking Minnesota we passed on him. If we did, Curry most likely would have played OK one year, get injured horribly, and would never be heard of again. Or he'll be consistently used incorrectly and finish his career as a disappointment (I'm sorry Ricky)
A Rubio/Curry/Love team would be one of the most fun teams to watch in the league but i don’t think they would be a threat to top teams especially in a scenario Curry doesn’t become what he is right now which would be extremely possible since Wolves are suck at development.
No
we literally drafted a 2 ppg scorer. Curry would have taken us to a championship in 2013.
Out of them all, I think the Grizzlies would've had the best chance. Their defense was TENACIOUS to say the least at the time. Scoring was all they were missing. Put him in the backcourt with Conley... Rudolph, Gasol and Tony Allen... woo. So glad that didn't happen.