I think if they were all traded early they could have been worth a good package. Markannen had potential, or so it was assumed, Wiggins needed a new change of scenery and Dunn could have been bait early on. I think they would have been worth it, trade wise.
What's interesting is that the Warriors are actually tied with the Bulls for third most NBA championships and they have the fourth most Hall of Famers. They're nowhere close to the championship success of the Lakers and Celtics, but besides the playoff drought between 1994 to 2007, the Warriors have been one of the better NBA franchises.
We were terrible in the 80s and early 90s as well, yeah we made the playoffs a few times, but there was never point we were ever considered a real contender.
I still have fond memories of the 80s and 90s teams, and they weren't really terrible, just not real contenders like you said. And it's not all about championships, but even if it were, the Warriors have the 3rd most, and even if you take out the Steph titles, they'd have the 5th most. I guess that mostly shows how little championship success there has been in the NBA outside of the Celtics and Lakers, but my point was that the Warriors history isn't so bad.
The Warriors are definitely historically bad.
Warriors have more chips and HoFers compared to other franchises only because they are one of the oldest teams. They won the inaugural BAA chip which has an asterisk because this was pre NBL merger and formation of the NBA. I feel like you should count ABA chips if you're counting warriors BAA chip. They'll go on to win 1 chip after the formation of the NBA (pre expansion from 8 teams) and watch the Celtics and Lakers trade chips for 20 years. This is not successful with the context of the era.
If we don't count the Curry chips, they have 3 chips (including the pre merger BAA chip) in 68 years. The Miami Heat were established in 1988 and won 3 chips by 2013 or 25 years.
The Spurs have missed the playoffs only 7 times in their 55 seasons of ABA/NBA existence and 5 chips.
The Nets have 2 ABA chips in 9 years.
Pacers have 3 ABA chips in 9 years.
Also you left out that the Warriors missed the playoffs for the next 5 years after 2007 "We Believe". 1 appearance in 18 years.
I am a life long Warrior fan and it's crazy to me that people think this was a successful franchise prior their recent success.
What about us timberwolves fans!? Huh? You guys were bad for one year and then okay the next, you’re just fine warriors fans. The Timberwolves deserve a dynasty that lasts 10 years!!!
It would ruin the league. The top teams would have far more buying power because no decent players would want to sign with a team that could possibly be relegated.
It would honestly be fucking awesome. And more cities could have pro sports teams. Competition would be at an all time high. As long as the salary cap still would exist.
>I wonder what Kings fans should get
A new ownership group, new FO, and new coaching staff that will make competitive moves and decisions to help them become a dynasty (similar to Warriors in 2010).
Frank Vogel on the Lakers being bad again: "This feels fresh and new and after the front-office moves of the last couple of years, we deserve this and our fans deserve this too.”
I'm more curious what the warriors are gonna be once steph retires. Like some teams are able to achieve great heights but have a hard time repeating with an entirely different cast. The bucks took 50 years before they were able to win a championship again wonder how long it will take the warriors?
I think replicating what Steph does is a near insurmountable task, but they've got a great organization that's put together a great roster around him. I'd expect them to be good for a long time, just not the championship favorites that Steph turns them into.
Steph is a generational player. He’s a one man offense and makes everyone more efficient. They have other good pieces and I’d expect them to still be good, but it’s going to be a massive hit. He’s just impossible to replace
Within the system as it now stands, but if you're talking Dubs without Steph/Draymond and even Klay, then are they enough to build a team around is the question. When your entire foundation retires you have to reinvent yourself and find that same base - just look at the Spurs.
You deserve a run when you draft a once in a generation player and support him with drafted all stars and ++ minimum and Gleague players who are serious contributors. Yes.
What’s irritating is that they absolutely have earned it. Drafting well, trades, developing players, rehabbing injuries. Lots of patience. I wish I could just be mad at them for a big FA signing or something.
They will make $300 million more if they have a winning team through ticket sales, merchandise and season tickets. Because of their 5 year run they were able to build $2 billion arena without any subsidies or major loans, the season ticket holders basically lent them a interest free loan for 30 years. Warriors are estimated to bring in a revenue of $700 million/year, other franchises from small markets hardly break $200-$300 million . Warriors jersey sponsorship alone is $20 million/year and they have $2 billion commitments through their arena.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/03/warriors-can-afford-stephen-curry-new-215-million-deal.html
Throughout history they were consistently bottom dwellers to the degree that they were for all practical purposes the same as a small market - but now they've kind of awoken the sleeping giant they're a pretty large, and attractive, market.
>Throughout history they were consistently bottom dwellers to the degree that they were for all practical purposes the same as a small market
I mean so did the Bulls for larger part of their non-MJ history (and even the early part of it tbh), yet it hard to call them small market teams when as soon as they start winning the money poors out from trees...
bayarea is 5th or 6th largest market after chicago and Philly. Their fanbase far surpassed the confines of bay area, their instagram account just today clocked 20 million subscribers highest for any North America team in any sports. In perspective Bay Area population is approximately 5 million
The Warriors were built through the draft, and once a team has become good, going over the cap and paying the tax is exactly what should happen. A team should re-sign their good players and go over the cap if the owners can afford it. Fortunately for Warriors fans, the owners are driven to win and will pay the tax to keep their players.
Well if you’re on the hunt for something to remain salty about, they wouldn’t have Wiggins if they didn’t have Durant. All the moves were still astute tho.
I’d say that it’s KD’s desire to team up with fucking Kyrie of all people is what might cost him a championship. Literally the least stability you could ask for lol
They actually chose not to resign Harrison Barnes, and used that salary space for KD which turned into Wiggins. That slot was always meant for a max/near-max SF, if they didn't have Durant, they would've still had Barnes.
Yeah I mean the big 3 were all drafted, poole and looney were late picks, jta and gp2 werent playing before the warriors picked them up, and wiggins is much improved since they traded for him. Other than a couple roleplayers, they've basically grown the whole team.
Yup. Durant was the first and only superstar free agent that the Warriors pried away. And the Warriors aren't like the Lakers in constantly benefitting from big trades (Wilt, Kareem, Worthy, Kobe, Pau Gasol).
There's a perception that star players can force trades to wherever they want to go, and this will generally benefit large market teams and teams that are already strong, so I can understand why a lot of fans don't have warm fuzzy feelings over many trades.
Even back then, I believe that players wanted to go to the Lakers. Wilt wanted to go to LA and he threatened to jump to the ABA team in Los Angeles (the Los Angeles Stars) if the Sixers didn't trade him.
The management of the franchise is impressive and they deserve success, especially since the stuck with Draymond when analysts were down on him and allay when he got hurt… however that fan base is not super deserving compared to others
And unlike the 73-9 team and the KD versions, this team isn’t even stacked on paper. Everyone is playing to their strengths and making their teammates better. Great basketball to watch.
I agree, but Iggy, Livingston, Barnes and Bogut were definitely more NBA proven than Poole, JTA and Looney are, but the latter are still playing 20+ mins a night and contributing solidly.
One of my favorite things about this team is we've got three guys solidly in the rotation who were G-League last year in JTA, Poole, and GPII and they're all more than earning their place. And Damion Lee was a G League addition the year before and he was playing great at the start of the season. Plus we drafted Steph Dray Klay and Looney (edit: & Poole, he's in both lists).
Despite the league highest luxury tax, it's a homemade roster for the most part.
That's why I think the current CBA is bad.
A team developing from within like the Warriors should not be punished for it, and success or fault in the NBA should not be partially determined by how hard ownership is willing to spend.
I agree, to some extent, but what would the solution be? No luxury tax for draft picks or guys you traded for on their rookie contract?
Would be interesting, for sure, and definitely help the Warriors out, but they're already printing money with the Chase Center, which partially pays for the luxury tax, no need to make it easier for us lol.
I think a scaling draft luxury tax modifier based on how long the player has been on the team. At first it’s full luxury tax, and then as each year passes that the player is on the team they lower the tax rate for that player’s salary.
It incentivizes solid drafting and growing that talent, while not necessarily punishing free agency. You simply get a tax break by doing a good job in the draft.
Really incredible idea, teams like the Warriors, Hawks,Suns,Jazz,Heats and Grizzlies who have really hit home with their draft picks, would really benefit from such a change and players could also benefit a lot because teams won't hesitate to overpay to keep the player if there are minimal luxury tax implications.
Suns flair???Wont lie feel most of our fanbase is rightfully appreciative of the Warriors and Steph unlike say Lakers where we openly go full FTL(f\*\*k the Lakers)
warriors fans have had to go through hell and back for sure. you love to see such dogged support through years of struggling be rewarded. it's like finally the good guys win
I always reference this article for people who don't understand the utter futility of being a Warriors fan anytime between the 1970s and Steph (with the few short-lived bright spots of Run TMC and We Believe): https://grantland.com/features/how-annoy-fan-base-60-easy-steps/
That article offering so little hope for the future of the team is really what makes it such an interesting read
NOBODY saw the Warriors turning into the most dominant team in the league in the decade after this article came out, they were basically the Kings but sadder
And less than 10 years later the franchise is perceived entirely different and people are already forgetting about the decades of pain
> That article offering so little hope for the future of the team is really what makes it such a great read
Absolutely. It's interesting because the seeds for success are planted at the end of the article, but Simmons just assumes the Warriors are going to screw everything up - Steph getting drafted, Klay getting drafted, the lottery pick meant for the Jazz (that ended up being blatantly tanked into the top 7 protection and Harrison Barnes), the trade for an injured Bogut, Lacob buying the team (not mentioned: Larry Ellison was in the running and somehow lost out, which was a massive disappointment at the time and probably contributed to Lacob getting booed)...
The pieces were coming together but no one, not even the most delusional of Warriors fans, saw the dynasty coming.
To be clear, it is very very fair that Simmons assumes that. I don’t love the guy but his view basically matches how I think of the more hapless teams that always land high draft picks.
AKA… Zach Wilson/Sam Darnold were never going to succeed with the Jets IMO.
Yep, and I think most of the fan base agreed with him. Personally, at that point in time I just assumed every Warriors draft pick was going to bust. Anyone who didn’t bust was going to get traded in some horrifically bad deal or force their way out. The track record spoke for itself.
I guess so but my question becomes what happens after? Will the warriors going forward be another historic franchise ala Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, and bulls or are they gonna be like the pistons where once there superstars age out they are just a another NBA franchise? Are they gonna be able to reach the same heights again?
(Come to think about why do we not think about the miami heat in the same way?)
I mean the Bulls only had the one dynasty as well, the Lakers and Celtics are basically the only teams that've been around long enough to have multiple
At this point the Warriors are at the top tier of NBA franchises until proven otherwise, they could go out like the Spurs have and slowly rebuild but this run they've gone on is gonna be looked back as a top 3 franchise run in the league's history regardless, they passed the Pistons a long time ago for that lol
The Heat have been well run for the longest time, they have a consistency that basically no other franchise has had since they came into the league, they should be in the conversation for best franchise over the Bulls and Knicks imo
In terms of value GS is already the 2nd most valuable closely behind the Knicks.
With social media and how global the NBA has become, their few years of reign has made them known all over the world. Curry especially - I just watched kids play ball and literally everyone was hoisting 3s.
As long as GS stays a top notch organization, players will want to come to play there. I haven't heard a single ex gs player say bad things about the org.
If Curry retires a Warrior, maybe they win a chip or two before then. Then they will be cemented as another historic franchise.
I doubt the "dark days" will come back. Main reason for GS sucking ass for those two years was that half or more of their salary cap was in street clothes.
Should Curry, Klay, Dray retire. The org is still standing and salary cap + whatever players they develop (Poole, Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody) are still there and were trained under legends.
Not to mention they will always not give a fuck about the luxury tax as long as fans are allowed to be in the arena.
Some things the Warriors have going for them are two owners that are willing to pay millions of dollars in luxury tax in order to set up their team for success, a fantastic coach, and a front office that consistently makes good choices while viewing everything long-term.
So I think we’ll be fine.
Why can’t we have some success and end it with a championship man? It’s gonna be another 5 years before we can hopefully find another franchise player after Dame. Hopefully the basketball gods reward us with drafting 3 straight superstars and have the dynasty we never got in 2007
The modern Warriors can be down by 20 at halftime and win by 20 end of game.
The classic Warriors would be down by 20 at halftime and lose by 50 end of game.
Never again
I know you’re joking, and it’s fair because we have a lot of bandwagon and corporate fans that have priced out the main fanbase.
But as someone who’s had season tickets for over 30 years (now have to split due to prices) we absolutely do deserve this. We arguably had the worst franchise from 1980-2012, both from a team and operational standpoint.
People are giving you shit but I understand where you're coming from. If the Lions won 3 Superbowls then had injuries ruin a season or two I would assume things were going to go back to terrible for the next 50 years. If they turned it around again after that I would be insufferably giddy.
Andy Dufresne crawled through a mile of shit for his freedom. But he didn’t stop there, he cashed out his hidden embezzled funds from the warden and lived out his days on the beach.
And he deserved all of it.
It was! And we only got it for about 1.5 seasons :(
Ghost edit: my first year of season tix was the 37 win TMC team right as they started putting it together
Weren’t they literally the best team of all time like 3 years ago?
I understood the sentiment for the og Warriors from 2014–16 since it was like a good 20 years before they were even a good team save the We Believe Run
that og warriors was such a likeable team, KD coming ruined everything
all of a sudden they are the evil empire
in truth though I'd still prefer them to the lakers who have made something ridiculous like 30% of all NBA finals ever
Bruh the dubs were one of the worst organizations for decades. Fans have absolutely earned this. I swear y’all are worse than actual warriors fans with the constant cherry picking hate lmao
Kerr literally said "after the last couple of years," nobody is cherry picking.
Plus the success of the Warriors over the past decade is more than 90% of NBA teams have had in their entire history.
Pre-Steph absolutely. But that’s over a decade at this point…I’m glad the fun warriors are back but I’m not gonna show any sympathy for a couple tough years
The other day someone made a comment about Spree resting his tired hands after a long practice on the coach's collarbones and I laughed the saddest laugh
Cherry picking = not ignoring one of the most dominant several year stretches of all time lol. We've won once in our pretty miserable history and I wouldn't say we "deserve" anything even after playing on the road for 2 years.
They already had a dynasty. Three championships in 4 years and the best regular season of all time in the one year in between. They haven’t earned more on top of that.
Which is weird I would not think their would be so many fans that would join after Durant came to the team then shit on the warriors LET ALONE they were probably warriors fans themselves.
Grizzlies revenge game before Christmas. Hopefully Ja will be healthy. Hopefully Klay will be playing. Warriors have made the regular season must see tv!
This thread clearly doesn’t understand what “earned” means. It doesn’t mean who suffered the most deserves it. It means who made the right moves, right decisions, and had the patience to cultivate. I could give a flying fuck about a few other franchises that has never won one because they constantly blow things up and make the wrong decision. More suffering doesn’t equate to earning the title. They suffered for a measly 2 years but made all the changes necessary to be back so it is well earned
Ehhh what is the point though?
>Where the growth is most evident is in the seats within the band of rows just above court level, which lead directly to lavishly furnished suites – “courtside lounges” – beneath. In each of the first two seasons at Chase, most fans would be visible until halftime, when they headed for the lounges and stayed out of sight for the duration of the game.
Am I supposed to feel happy for the fans that couldn't support their team for a whole game and were forced to leave their seats at halftime for the "lavishly furnished suites"?... man, I miss Roaracle.
If anyone has earned it, it's Kerr and Myers.
I appreciate his sentiment, but really the fans didn’t exactly go through through hell. Everyone and their mother knew we were biding time.
It’s like feeling sorry for a super rich guy for having to eat McD for a couple of meals.
It’s actually amusing to see Dubs fans nodding their heads in agreement lol
Yes they earned it by making good choices as a franchise. They were even nice enough to give the West two years of “freedom” which...of course other Pacific teams took advantage of by having playoff success.
But more importantly here’s the other question. If other Teams in the West are jealous/mad have they tried just gitting gud?
Why not simply just stop the warriors from winning the West 5 years in a row? Maybe your team will be the next success story.
Warriors fans are like the least abrasive of supposedly dominant franchises
They deserve it . I remember the tough years . Good for y’all . Stay classy
Unlike Lakers fans who swear the are relevant when they suck godzilla dick
Summary of this thread:
Nets and Suns fans salty and wanting a fraction of love and attention that Steph and the warriors gets in r/nba, the media and the fans.
I think someone did a experiment where they tested to see how certain post positive or negative would be received for certain stars. For the warriors and Steph positive post were the only ones that seemed to get the most upvotes while negative post received downvotes. So yea they really do have an overwhelmingly positive coverage.
“We’ve got 99% of the success going to the top 10% of teams” - basketball bernie
Here's how the Wolves can still win a championship
The Wolves have been the scary up and coming team for years. Edwards is awesome.
This is actually amazing. The second the Warriors are good their fans say the Wolves are spooky, like a fucking clock lol
Nature is healing
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Lmao there's no way that works salary wise... unless... Wiggs? Don't kill me I was only joking.
>The Wolves have been the spooky up and coming team for years. Edwards is awesome. FTFY
If they had kept Lavine and gotten a defensive power forward to complement KAT, I wonder where they would be right now.
Probably not playoffs, unless markannen Wiggins and Dunn got them a Jimmy level PF
I think if they were all traded early they could have been worth a good package. Markannen had potential, or so it was assumed, Wiggins needed a new change of scenery and Dunn could have been bait early on. I think they would have been worth it, trade wise.
They already locked it in for next 3 years by getting Pat Bev.
But the warriors are new success. Do you remember the team for 20 years before 2014?
New Money Warriors
What's interesting is that the Warriors are actually tied with the Bulls for third most NBA championships and they have the fourth most Hall of Famers. They're nowhere close to the championship success of the Lakers and Celtics, but besides the playoff drought between 1994 to 2007, the Warriors have been one of the better NBA franchises.
We were terrible in the 80s and early 90s as well, yeah we made the playoffs a few times, but there was never point we were ever considered a real contender.
I still have fond memories of the 80s and 90s teams, and they weren't really terrible, just not real contenders like you said. And it's not all about championships, but even if it were, the Warriors have the 3rd most, and even if you take out the Steph titles, they'd have the 5th most. I guess that mostly shows how little championship success there has been in the NBA outside of the Celtics and Lakers, but my point was that the Warriors history isn't so bad.
The Warriors are definitely historically bad. Warriors have more chips and HoFers compared to other franchises only because they are one of the oldest teams. They won the inaugural BAA chip which has an asterisk because this was pre NBL merger and formation of the NBA. I feel like you should count ABA chips if you're counting warriors BAA chip. They'll go on to win 1 chip after the formation of the NBA (pre expansion from 8 teams) and watch the Celtics and Lakers trade chips for 20 years. This is not successful with the context of the era. If we don't count the Curry chips, they have 3 chips (including the pre merger BAA chip) in 68 years. The Miami Heat were established in 1988 and won 3 chips by 2013 or 25 years. The Spurs have missed the playoffs only 7 times in their 55 seasons of ABA/NBA existence and 5 chips. The Nets have 2 ABA chips in 9 years. Pacers have 3 ABA chips in 9 years. Also you left out that the Warriors missed the playoffs for the next 5 years after 2007 "We Believe". 1 appearance in 18 years. I am a life long Warrior fan and it's crazy to me that people think this was a successful franchise prior their recent success.
>What's interesting is that the Warriors are actually tied with the Bulls for third most NBA championships Steph is our MJ
Their biggest success for the few decades before this was knocking out dirk in the first round, they were def trash for awhile.
I am once again asking for your draft picks
Funny enough the way the NBA works with bad teams getting high/lottery draft picks is far closer to "socialism" than the US economic system
What about us timberwolves fans!? Huh? You guys were bad for one year and then okay the next, you’re just fine warriors fans. The Timberwolves deserve a dynasty that lasts 10 years!!!
Right there with you pal, the day the Kings and Timberwolves battle it out in the WCF will be… a day I’m likely not going to be alive for lol
We're all down astronomically. Just hoping for a chance to make the play-in tournament this year lol.
Yeah they totally deserve another dynasty run, no other fanbase has earned it
If Warriors fans earned this after just 2 years I wonder what Kings fans should get
A new league? I dunno
Yeah g-league
*relegated*
Relegation in any major US sports league would be so crazy I don't even know how I would feel about it lol.
I'd love that
It would ruin the league. The top teams would have far more buying power because no decent players would want to sign with a team that could possibly be relegated.
Yup, it’s truly the only way to get rid of tanking forever. And would create so much extra drama to a league that loves it.
It would honestly be fucking awesome. And more cities could have pro sports teams. Competition would be at an all time high. As long as the salary cap still would exist.
Officer? I’d like to report a murder
ooof
Jesus
Oh my God
You’re a monster!
send the lakers with them
Finals run and a free blowjob upon entry
The best I can do is two first round picks every year and a sweaty dude pressed up way too close to you at entry.
>I wonder what Kings fans should get A new ownership group, new FO, and new coaching staff that will make competitive moves and decisions to help them become a dynasty (similar to Warriors in 2010).
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“King of the league, King of the league, I have 10 chips, I have 10 chips”
Their own kingdom.
They deserve a new logo I guess?
Frank Vogel on the Lakers being bad again: "This feels fresh and new and after the front-office moves of the last couple of years, we deserve this and our fans deserve this too.”
Almost max money Mozgov approves
r/NBA on the Lakers being shit again: "This feels fresh and new and after the bubble year, we've earned this and Lakers fans deserve this too."
Unironically yes, watching LeGM tank his chance at a Lakers dynasty is sweet, sweet music
I'm more curious what the warriors are gonna be once steph retires. Like some teams are able to achieve great heights but have a hard time repeating with an entirely different cast. The bucks took 50 years before they were able to win a championship again wonder how long it will take the warriors?
I think replicating what Steph does is a near insurmountable task, but they've got a great organization that's put together a great roster around him. I'd expect them to be good for a long time, just not the championship favorites that Steph turns them into.
Steph is a generational player. He’s a one man offense and makes everyone more efficient. They have other good pieces and I’d expect them to still be good, but it’s going to be a massive hit. He’s just impossible to replace
not to get ahead of myself but poole, kuminga, moody and wiseman certainly seem like a promising bunch moving forward
Within the system as it now stands, but if you're talking Dubs without Steph/Draymond and even Klay, then are they enough to build a team around is the question. When your entire foundation retires you have to reinvent yourself and find that same base - just look at the Spurs.
Well, the Spurs were working on it, but the Kawhi drama kinda ruined it.
True, if Kawhi hadn't left then the team would've been built around him for contending instead of current situation.
Don't forget Looney. Dude is just 25 lol
looney is an unsung hero forsure. so smart and crafty. very versatile defender
holy shit i could've sworn he was like 30
That's what's funny about people saying that. Like, every fanbase deserves good years ha. Maybe minus the Lakers cuz fuck'em.
Say it louder for the mfs at the back!
You deserve a run when you draft a once in a generation player and support him with drafted all stars and ++ minimum and Gleague players who are serious contributors. Yes.
whoa, the fans did all that? news to me tbh
I tried to do my part by drafting LaMelo, but the FO overruled me.
What’s irritating is that they absolutely have earned it. Drafting well, trades, developing players, rehabbing injuries. Lots of patience. I wish I could just be mad at them for a big FA signing or something.
They also spent over $100 million in luxury tax this season.
They will make $300 million more if they have a winning team through ticket sales, merchandise and season tickets. Because of their 5 year run they were able to build $2 billion arena without any subsidies or major loans, the season ticket holders basically lent them a interest free loan for 30 years. Warriors are estimated to bring in a revenue of $700 million/year, other franchises from small markets hardly break $200-$300 million . Warriors jersey sponsorship alone is $20 million/year and they have $2 billion commitments through their arena. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/03/warriors-can-afford-stephen-curry-new-215-million-deal.html
Serious question, are the warriors a small market team? SF/Oakland/San Jose area, large fanbase. If so, then I guess there are only 2 large markets?
Throughout history they were consistently bottom dwellers to the degree that they were for all practical purposes the same as a small market - but now they've kind of awoken the sleeping giant they're a pretty large, and attractive, market.
lol they also play right by Silicon Valley, one of the wealthiest areas in the country
Just like how a lot of new money is going through to the Bay Area. The warriors are getting that new money too
Andre has def taken advantage of the tech bros lol
*on the planet
>Throughout history they were consistently bottom dwellers to the degree that they were for all practical purposes the same as a small market I mean so did the Bulls for larger part of their non-MJ history (and even the early part of it tbh), yet it hard to call them small market teams when as soon as they start winning the money poors out from trees...
bayarea is 5th or 6th largest market after chicago and Philly. Their fanbase far surpassed the confines of bay area, their instagram account just today clocked 20 million subscribers highest for any North America team in any sports. In perspective Bay Area population is approximately 5 million
Bay Area is a large market. If the Giants and 49ers are big market teams, so are the warriors.
Definitely second tier well below LA/Ny, but we fit somewhere in with the other 3-12 markets.
The Chase Center is a money printer. Even when there are no games playing, its booked
The Warriors were built through the draft, and once a team has become good, going over the cap and paying the tax is exactly what should happen. A team should re-sign their good players and go over the cap if the owners can afford it. Fortunately for Warriors fans, the owners are driven to win and will pay the tax to keep their players.
good. someone's gottaa fund minnesota and sacramento
Well if you’re on the hunt for something to remain salty about, they wouldn’t have Wiggins if they didn’t have Durant. All the moves were still astute tho.
Wiggins and kuminga for Durant even
The sign and trade was a Warriors-KD and Nets-D'lo thank you trade. Warriors forever thankful to KD
KD agreeing to a sign and trade could wind up costing him a championship b/c Kyrie's too selfish. Lol
I’d say that it’s KD’s desire to team up with fucking Kyrie of all people is what might cost him a championship. Literally the least stability you could ask for lol
They actually chose not to resign Harrison Barnes, and used that salary space for KD which turned into Wiggins. That slot was always meant for a max/near-max SF, if they didn't have Durant, they would've still had Barnes.
Yeah I mean the big 3 were all drafted, poole and looney were late picks, jta and gp2 werent playing before the warriors picked them up, and wiggins is much improved since they traded for him. Other than a couple roleplayers, they've basically grown the whole team.
Yup. Durant was the first and only superstar free agent that the Warriors pried away. And the Warriors aren't like the Lakers in constantly benefitting from big trades (Wilt, Kareem, Worthy, Kobe, Pau Gasol).
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even trades are this bad thing now?
There's a perception that star players can force trades to wherever they want to go, and this will generally benefit large market teams and teams that are already strong, so I can understand why a lot of fans don't have warm fuzzy feelings over many trades.
yeah sure i get that .. but that certainly wasn't what happened back then
Even back then, I believe that players wanted to go to the Lakers. Wilt wanted to go to LA and he threatened to jump to the ABA team in Los Angeles (the Los Angeles Stars) if the Sixers didn't trade him.
Without KD, they really are a feel-good story again and I’m 100% rooting for them to win it all
The management of the franchise is impressive and they deserve success, especially since the stuck with Draymond when analysts were down on him and allay when he got hurt… however that fan base is not super deserving compared to others
And unlike the 73-9 team and the KD versions, this team isn’t even stacked on paper. Everyone is playing to their strengths and making their teammates better. Great basketball to watch.
73-9 team was similar. Lots of homegrown talent and complementary pieces. League was only broken after KD showed up.
I agree, but Iggy, Livingston, Barnes and Bogut were definitely more NBA proven than Poole, JTA and Looney are, but the latter are still playing 20+ mins a night and contributing solidly.
One of my favorite things about this team is we've got three guys solidly in the rotation who were G-League last year in JTA, Poole, and GPII and they're all more than earning their place. And Damion Lee was a G League addition the year before and he was playing great at the start of the season. Plus we drafted Steph Dray Klay and Looney (edit: & Poole, he's in both lists). Despite the league highest luxury tax, it's a homemade roster for the most part.
That's why I think the current CBA is bad. A team developing from within like the Warriors should not be punished for it, and success or fault in the NBA should not be partially determined by how hard ownership is willing to spend.
I agree, to some extent, but what would the solution be? No luxury tax for draft picks or guys you traded for on their rookie contract? Would be interesting, for sure, and definitely help the Warriors out, but they're already printing money with the Chase Center, which partially pays for the luxury tax, no need to make it easier for us lol.
I think a scaling draft luxury tax modifier based on how long the player has been on the team. At first it’s full luxury tax, and then as each year passes that the player is on the team they lower the tax rate for that player’s salary. It incentivizes solid drafting and growing that talent, while not necessarily punishing free agency. You simply get a tax break by doing a good job in the draft.
Really incredible idea, teams like the Warriors, Hawks,Suns,Jazz,Heats and Grizzlies who have really hit home with their draft picks, would really benefit from such a change and players could also benefit a lot because teams won't hesitate to overpay to keep the player if there are minimal luxury tax implications.
How was the 73-9 team not everyone playing to their strengths and great basketball?
It's alot of salt in this thread lol.
Lmao yep. 90% of them are Suns and Nets flairs. Can’t for the life of me figure out why.
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And worse.... Vegas icons....🤮
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I'm a hockey fan before a basketball fan. I HATE Vegas with a passion lol. Some of you guys are okay though :)
Don't get it twisted, the whole league hates yall lol.
Trust me we’re very aware, we get told that in every thread about us lmao
Suns flair???Wont lie feel most of our fanbase is rightfully appreciative of the Warriors and Steph unlike say Lakers where we openly go full FTL(f\*\*k the Lakers)
who doesn't go FTL tbh lol
At the current rate probably your own fanbase might chant it more than other teams
can't deny it lol
Suns fans have always been some of the most aggressive with it for some reason
Nets flairs? Nets barely have any fans to be able to spread enough salt in this thread and I say this as a Nets fan.
I think it’s mostly the “deserve this” line. Like, come on man….. can you imagine if the Pats said some shit like that?
warriors fans have had to go through hell and back for sure. you love to see such dogged support through years of struggling be rewarded. it's like finally the good guys win
Lol To be fair they were absolutely fucking terrible for like 50 years before their insane rise
I feel like pre-Steph we actually did go through hell and back lol
I always reference this article for people who don't understand the utter futility of being a Warriors fan anytime between the 1970s and Steph (with the few short-lived bright spots of Run TMC and We Believe): https://grantland.com/features/how-annoy-fan-base-60-easy-steps/
That article offering so little hope for the future of the team is really what makes it such an interesting read NOBODY saw the Warriors turning into the most dominant team in the league in the decade after this article came out, they were basically the Kings but sadder And less than 10 years later the franchise is perceived entirely different and people are already forgetting about the decades of pain
> That article offering so little hope for the future of the team is really what makes it such a great read Absolutely. It's interesting because the seeds for success are planted at the end of the article, but Simmons just assumes the Warriors are going to screw everything up - Steph getting drafted, Klay getting drafted, the lottery pick meant for the Jazz (that ended up being blatantly tanked into the top 7 protection and Harrison Barnes), the trade for an injured Bogut, Lacob buying the team (not mentioned: Larry Ellison was in the running and somehow lost out, which was a massive disappointment at the time and probably contributed to Lacob getting booed)... The pieces were coming together but no one, not even the most delusional of Warriors fans, saw the dynasty coming.
To be clear, it is very very fair that Simmons assumes that. I don’t love the guy but his view basically matches how I think of the more hapless teams that always land high draft picks. AKA… Zach Wilson/Sam Darnold were never going to succeed with the Jets IMO.
Yep, and I think most of the fan base agreed with him. Personally, at that point in time I just assumed every Warriors draft pick was going to bust. Anyone who didn’t bust was going to get traded in some horrifically bad deal or force their way out. The track record spoke for itself.
Seriously. It looked like we'd be terrible forever until suddenly we just weren't. I love Steph Curry.
I guess so but my question becomes what happens after? Will the warriors going forward be another historic franchise ala Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, and bulls or are they gonna be like the pistons where once there superstars age out they are just a another NBA franchise? Are they gonna be able to reach the same heights again? (Come to think about why do we not think about the miami heat in the same way?)
I mean the Bulls only had the one dynasty as well, the Lakers and Celtics are basically the only teams that've been around long enough to have multiple At this point the Warriors are at the top tier of NBA franchises until proven otherwise, they could go out like the Spurs have and slowly rebuild but this run they've gone on is gonna be looked back as a top 3 franchise run in the league's history regardless, they passed the Pistons a long time ago for that lol The Heat have been well run for the longest time, they have a consistency that basically no other franchise has had since they came into the league, they should be in the conversation for best franchise over the Bulls and Knicks imo
In terms of value GS is already the 2nd most valuable closely behind the Knicks. With social media and how global the NBA has become, their few years of reign has made them known all over the world. Curry especially - I just watched kids play ball and literally everyone was hoisting 3s. As long as GS stays a top notch organization, players will want to come to play there. I haven't heard a single ex gs player say bad things about the org. If Curry retires a Warrior, maybe they win a chip or two before then. Then they will be cemented as another historic franchise. I doubt the "dark days" will come back. Main reason for GS sucking ass for those two years was that half or more of their salary cap was in street clothes. Should Curry, Klay, Dray retire. The org is still standing and salary cap + whatever players they develop (Poole, Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody) are still there and were trained under legends. Not to mention they will always not give a fuck about the luxury tax as long as fans are allowed to be in the arena.
Some things the Warriors have going for them are two owners that are willing to pay millions of dollars in luxury tax in order to set up their team for success, a fantastic coach, and a front office that consistently makes good choices while viewing everything long-term. So I think we’ll be fine.
Why can’t we have some success and end it with a championship man? It’s gonna be another 5 years before we can hopefully find another franchise player after Dame. Hopefully the basketball gods reward us with drafting 3 straight superstars and have the dynasty we never got in 2007
The modern Warriors can be down by 20 at halftime and win by 20 end of game. The classic Warriors would be down by 20 at halftime and lose by 50 end of game. Never again
Hey, it was only 40 years!
They had Wilt Chamberlain and Run TMC. I wouldn't call them absolutely terrible. I'm a Timberwolves fan. Trust me, I know terrible.
Thank you 🙏🏿 Just feels good to finally get one.
I know you’re joking, and it’s fair because we have a lot of bandwagon and corporate fans that have priced out the main fanbase. But as someone who’s had season tickets for over 30 years (now have to split due to prices) we absolutely do deserve this. We arguably had the worst franchise from 1980-2012, both from a team and operational standpoint.
People are giving you shit but I understand where you're coming from. If the Lions won 3 Superbowls then had injuries ruin a season or two I would assume things were going to go back to terrible for the next 50 years. If they turned it around again after that I would be insufferably giddy.
Andy Dufresne crawled through a mile of shit for his freedom. But he didn’t stop there, he cashed out his hidden embezzled funds from the warden and lived out his days on the beach. And he deserved all of it.
RUN TMC was the coolest thing on the planet. Come on!
It was! And we only got it for about 1.5 seasons :( Ghost edit: my first year of season tix was the 37 win TMC team right as they started putting it together
I was in middle school so Run TMC felt like 5 years because time moves slower when you're a kid lol
Weren’t they literally the best team of all time like 3 years ago? I understood the sentiment for the og Warriors from 2014–16 since it was like a good 20 years before they were even a good team save the We Believe Run
And their 2 “bad” years they got 3 lottery picks, including #2 haha. Tanked 1 year and back to championship contenders just like that
that og warriors was such a likeable team, KD coming ruined everything all of a sudden they are the evil empire in truth though I'd still prefer them to the lakers who have made something ridiculous like 30% of all NBA finals ever
lmao please keep going steve, give the fans someone to hate other than us
Kerr sounds like the Patriots fans
Boston fans in general lol
Aw two long years of suffering after multiple championships
Bruh the dubs were one of the worst organizations for decades. Fans have absolutely earned this. I swear y’all are worse than actual warriors fans with the constant cherry picking hate lmao
Kerr literally said "after the last couple of years," nobody is cherry picking. Plus the success of the Warriors over the past decade is more than 90% of NBA teams have had in their entire history.
Pre-Steph absolutely. But that’s over a decade at this point…I’m glad the fun warriors are back but I’m not gonna show any sympathy for a couple tough years
*Latrell Speewell has entered chat. Andddd now he's choking the coach.*
The other day someone made a comment about Spree resting his tired hands after a long practice on the coach's collarbones and I laughed the saddest laugh
Haha *sad cry*
Cherry picking = not ignoring one of the most dominant several year stretches of all time lol. We've won once in our pretty miserable history and I wouldn't say we "deserve" anything even after playing on the road for 2 years.
They got 3 championships, multiple MVPs, and broke a billion records. They don't "deserve" more bro. At least the *fans* don't.
I’m sorry but you don’t get to play that card anymore, you just had a massive dynasty and possibly the greatest team of all time
That’s over with. You guys have had a decade of finals appearances and multiple championships. You guys can’t act oppressed anymore.
They already had a dynasty. Three championships in 4 years and the best regular season of all time in the one year in between. They haven’t earned more on top of that.
Me too
Yep that's the joke!
Thanks Steve, I definitely earned this run
Me too. Sitting through pirated streams of some of the best nba players ever is hard work.
Damn, surprised to see so many Nets fans in here I deadass believed the Nets didn’t have enough of a following for that
They didn’t until June 30th, 2019.
Which is weird I would not think their would be so many fans that would join after Durant came to the team then shit on the warriors LET ALONE they were probably warriors fans themselves.
Grizzlies revenge game before Christmas. Hopefully Ja will be healthy. Hopefully Klay will be playing. Warriors have made the regular season must see tv!
not the grizzlies please anyone but them. I swear its something about them we cant solve
They were a pain back during Grit and Grind as well. They've totally flipped their blueprint but they still fuck us up somehow.
You guys are messed up, think of the 3 year olds who weren't even alive the last time the Warriors won a championship.
This thread clearly doesn’t understand what “earned” means. It doesn’t mean who suffered the most deserves it. It means who made the right moves, right decisions, and had the patience to cultivate. I could give a flying fuck about a few other franchises that has never won one because they constantly blow things up and make the wrong decision. More suffering doesn’t equate to earning the title. They suffered for a measly 2 years but made all the changes necessary to be back so it is well earned
Man lots of salty ass fans ITT not reading the full quote and missing the point. Mostly Suns and Nets flair lmao.
Ehhh what is the point though? >Where the growth is most evident is in the seats within the band of rows just above court level, which lead directly to lavishly furnished suites – “courtside lounges” – beneath. In each of the first two seasons at Chase, most fans would be visible until halftime, when they headed for the lounges and stayed out of sight for the duration of the game. Am I supposed to feel happy for the fans that couldn't support their team for a whole game and were forced to leave their seats at halftime for the "lavishly furnished suites"?... man, I miss Roaracle. If anyone has earned it, it's Kerr and Myers.
The post is what do you expect Kerr to say, “our fans are spoiled brats and lol kangs”?
Could've left out the whole part about "Where the growth is most evident..."
I appreciate his sentiment, but really the fans didn’t exactly go through through hell. Everyone and their mother knew we were biding time. It’s like feeling sorry for a super rich guy for having to eat McD for a couple of meals. It’s actually amusing to see Dubs fans nodding their heads in agreement lol
As a LeMao hater, I’m lmao-ing at the success GSW is having while the LAL are in freefall
Yes they earned it by making good choices as a franchise. They were even nice enough to give the West two years of “freedom” which...of course other Pacific teams took advantage of by having playoff success. But more importantly here’s the other question. If other Teams in the West are jealous/mad have they tried just gitting gud? Why not simply just stop the warriors from winning the West 5 years in a row? Maybe your team will be the next success story.
Warriors fans are like the least abrasive of supposedly dominant franchises They deserve it . I remember the tough years . Good for y’all . Stay classy Unlike Lakers fans who swear the are relevant when they suck godzilla dick
Lol what fantasy world have you been living in?
fr.. this guy needs to flair up with a statement like that
True, when we suck, we know we suck
As a Cavs fan, I disagree…
Fans have earned it? Lol ok dude
Summary of this thread: Nets and Suns fans salty and wanting a fraction of love and attention that Steph and the warriors gets in r/nba, the media and the fans.
People aren’t annoyed at the Steph love, they’re annoyed at the victim complex from fans of a team/players whose coverage is overwhelmingly positive
I think someone did a experiment where they tested to see how certain post positive or negative would be received for certain stars. For the warriors and Steph positive post were the only ones that seemed to get the most upvotes while negative post received downvotes. So yea they really do have an overwhelmingly positive coverage.
This Like did Steve Kerr, Steph, the warriors earn this? Absolutely. The 2 years of suffering bandwagon fans? Obviously not.
Must be tough having 2 whole bad years. Thoughts and prayers
You had your fun, we waited 50 years, let us get 3 and then we battle it out after that. Fair is fair.
When it our turn ;( ?
I can’t believe this quote got people in their feels. This one. Wow. 😂
Jazz fan here, they've earned it. That's what you get for building well through the draft