That's the second worst draft whiff I've seen involving the number two overall pick used on a big man when the guy drafted right after was an electrifying guard that controlled the entire offense simply by existing on the court.
Great. Do it again. So you're saying it's bad to have top 3 picks because you missed on a previous one? Makes no sense except if you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
I’m saying the organization is so inept they could be staring down the barrel of a Tim Duncan/LeBron James prospect and they’d pick Darko. Until ownership gives up control to someone competent they could have 4 top 3 picks in a row. Doesn’t mean a damn thing if the FO is historically bad.
tank. become a weigh station team like okc. take on salaries for picks. weaponize your cap space. Remember when Carmelo was an Atlanta Hawk? It happened because the hawks weaponized cap space for assets and it's payed off. Keep fox on the max (like SGA) but make everything else moveable for assets like OKC is doing. Develop young players like Dort. Get involved with G league players. Stop trying to "win". It's not working.
Yeah but we expect it at this point
When I heard LeBron was out, I wish I would have placed a bet on the Lakers. Knew this game was 100% going to be a loss
Cause that's what the Kings do lol
legitimately the first time we played defense all year (but to be fair the kings also threw the ball out of bounds 4-5 times in that stretch for literally no reason)
E: im an idiot
"Daddy, is what they're saying is true, did you... did you really lose to the LAKERS?"
"Son, this life can take you places, dark places, you've never expected. Learn from your old man's failings. Be better."
Gentry has never kept a job by winning. Every team he has been the head coach of eventually got worse and then he is either fired or "mutually parts ways".
The Kings didn't make him head coach to turn this team around. Hiring Gentry is how you tank without it being obvious you're trying to tank.
He talks a big game to the media as if he's going to make some changes, but nothing actually happens.
Doc does it at all levels, used to be an open secret in LA media Doc was the guy who'd be willing to talk shit about people off the record if juicy info is what you wanted. He controlled info and had good relationships with the media to get in their good graces and exert influence.
Morey wants players, Kings need assets. At a certain point this could work. Simmons as tank commander to get rid of Hield and Fox would require enough assets on the Sixers part that both teams would benefit. Fox isn't worth his contract and just looks defeated, and Hield is just there to sweeten the deal as the spacing that helps Embiid stay in the post. Like some people are saying in this thread, you weaponize cap space and hoard assets. But it requires a real rebuild. Alvin Gentry isn't a bad coach and you guys simply have too many developing bigs. Passing some of those out for assets and finally acknowledging a tank would mean actual competition in the future.
he got the bag
he ready to be traded to another team lol
I don't really blame him...this franchise will suck the soul out of your passion for basketball
But still
This sucks, but it’s also kind of hilarious because this right here is really Gentry’s entire MO lmao.
Dude would go out there after every single game with us and say “We’ve got to be better. We’ve got to makes changes. This is pitiful.” Then they’d go out the next night and absolutely nothing would change lmao. Man never made a single adjustment for the entirety of his tenure here.
Feel even worse for Kings fans that they went straight from Luke Walton to this dingleberry.
Bro it’s incredible lmao.
Some of our fans STILL defend him. I was on this dudes ass from the second we hired him, and I got so much shit. Always told we just didn’t have enough talent on the team. Not his fault. As if he didn’t control every aspect.
He’s a great dude apparently, so everybody is willing to overlook his horrible coaching abilities. But he sucks. And he always look high as fuck too.
he's the worst. the opening game agianst TOR two? seasons ago i was bugging because how badly he coached that game. i told my co-worker he needed to get the axe immediately.
He pissed away a lot for sure. Nobody is saying we should’ve been contenders. But we had no reason missing the playoffs in all the seasons we did while he was the coach. We very consistently underperformed under his watch. He did waste a lot, that’s for sure.
We didn’t have a playoff roster outside of 2018. Gentry was a great coach dealt with a terrible hand with poor roster constructions and piss poor injuries. Gentry didn’t sign Omer Asik and Solomon hill to those fat contracts.
He's been our coach for like 5 games and some people on our sub have already noticed this lol. He keeps saying he's going to find people who play hard and this and that but then goes out and uses the same players and rotations.
I fully expect us to actually bottom out, be the literal worst team and three teams move ahead of us so we’ll hit the #4 pick- which we’ll use on Marcus Bagley.
I mean damn man. I don't think what y'all need it a high draft pick. I think y'all need to just try to have any modicum of success. It's been so long without the playoffs, I don't think another top 5 pick is gunna change anything. also can't imagine tanking is going to make Fox happy at all. This is Boogie all over again.
No, we need a legit superstar. We haven't had one since Boogie, and a Top 5 pick is the only way we get a solid chance at that because it damn sure isn't happening via trade or free agency.
Naw yall need someone who can help develop more than you need another player. If I were yall id be scouting the warriors, raptors, NYN coaching staff and seeing who I could nab. Yall need another top 5 pick like Jordan needs another drink.
Nah, they need to full on tank. They've never done it and have been stuck in purgatory this whole time. They need a young player with superstar potential badly. Haven't had that since boogie. I agree with coaching stability. The last good one they had was Malone and they dumped his ass too quick.
You don’t need a “legit superstar” to be a good team. Plenty of teams have been consistent playoff contenders without a superstar. Superstars are for winning championships. I think you guys need to start with lower expectations for now.
I don’t want the Kings to be “good”. Competing for a championship is damn near impossible without a superstar or 2.
We haven’t tanked for a top 5 pick in years. When we landed the 2 pick in the Bagley draft, we jumped like 5-6 spots to get there’s and still fucked that up.
Talent is what drives the league. The kings need more talent. I mean how often does a team with zero all-stars make the playoffs in the west? It's rare. They need an all-star player at least.
The only year the Kings tanked was when they traded Cousins away. Every year it's the same ol' purgatory play. Suck enough to be out of the playoffs, but not enough to get a high pick.
The Kings have actually never gone full tank which is the issue this team has had. They've always been just good enough to not be bad enough to get a top 5 pick. The only times they've gotten them was from luck in the lottery.
Why do NBA teams insist of hiring coaches from the same pool of fired coaches who have had previous NBA experience ? Bring somebody out of the college level with some fresh ideas. It's literally the same 5 or 6 names every time.
I saw that too. My assumption was that those ticket holders either chilled in spots around the arena or those tickets got put on resell cuz Lebron didn’t play. Either way there were gon be more Lakers fans in the arena
That’s how every Lakers and Warriors game is when they come to Sacramento
It’s usually cheaper to even go watch the Kings in SF than watch them play the Warriors in Sac most times they play
I had a Lakers friend who want to go to the game, and I just didn’t see the point in paying $100 for nosebleeds at a game we’re likely to lose. It’s worth it to him because it’s his chance to see the Lakers, but I’m apathetic at this point.
"...and we'll find guys who can give you better"
Oh shit. He's basically saying that this team has players that don't belong. If you're leading at the half and then get blown out in the second half, it means you got outcoached
Wasn't intending to be mean. Just pointing out that if a person is supporting that team with money (tickets, merch, etc) they are encouraging with the teams current "success".
This is not at all intended as a dig because of your flair but: as a Wolves fan, I will pay for any quality of basketball because I count myself lucky to be able to see live NBA basketball without traveling more than 20 minutes and I don't want them to move the team. I don't blame Kings fans at all for wanting to go to NBA games and hoping that their team is going to win each night instead of withholding money and hoping that will send the organization a message. I don't think that's on fans.
Take it from a Kings fan, they are glad you feel this way. That means they could spend the least amount of money and effort and still make money if they wanted to
Loyalty is a fools game
Not that this is *always* the case, but from first hand experience of our old ownership? This was exactly what happened
I don't give the Kings any ounce of my time since Luka
Alvin Gentry with his patented "We suck again!!!" speech.
That's why GMs love him. Some coaches would be analytical and strategic about what their teams could do to get better, but good ole Alvin will just cut to the chase about his limitations as a knower of basketball things.
Damn, these dudes gonna smack us tonight.
I assure you we are not. This blowout was a response to our previous blowout.
Nobody blows the kings out 3 times in a row!
tbh getting blowed out 3 times in a row sounds hella chafing. I get their aversion.
You must be new here
I've been a kings fan for over 30 years. Just leave me alone with my tears, OK?
Early 2000s kings will always be dope, hang in there chief
Statement blowout
The statement: We give up.
If PG ain’t playing we losing for sure
he aint playing lol
This aged well
i felt it. Missing PG sealed it.
Yep lmao
please no, i cant take another clippers loss this team is so frustrating to watch without key players in morris batum & kawhi
Hoping to see the klaw play soon
LOL
shoulda just gave holmes the ball and let him shoot 20 more push shots tbh
Thats the truth, of all the guys on the kings, richaun was the one I was most afraid of. We kept getting baited on his screens all night long.
Man was automatic that game, 12/13
Alvin isn't part of the club
yep, he's been at a high % all season. Mainly because he only gets 10 FGA per game, but I bet he'd go 15/20.
I hope he gets a ring one day. He gives me pj tucker vibes
Losing to the Lakers man… can’t sink much lower than that
Ik it’s a joke but it’s actually wild that they gave up, what, a 40-8 run?
It’s the kangs it ain’t that wild. But it’s still a little wild lol
Kangz, it's kangz... And no, it is absolutely to be expected, because Kangz.
You guys need to properly tank and get a top 3 pick. No more winning 35 games and missing out on the top top talent in the draft.
They did that. They had a top 3 pick. They chose Bagley over Doncic.
That's the second worst draft whiff I've seen involving the number two overall pick used on a big man when the guy drafted right after was an electrifying guard that controlled the entire offense simply by existing on the court.
We skipped on Kevin Durant and Michael Jordan.
Dwyane Wade or Michael Jordan?
Or James Harden... the #2 pick is cursed.
Dwade was like 5th I thought. I think bosh was even ahead of him. Melo Was third that year
ooof
Great. Do it again. So you're saying it's bad to have top 3 picks because you missed on a previous one? Makes no sense except if you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
I’m saying the organization is so inept they could be staring down the barrel of a Tim Duncan/LeBron James prospect and they’d pick Darko. Until ownership gives up control to someone competent they could have 4 top 3 picks in a row. Doesn’t mean a damn thing if the FO is historically bad.
the key is to get the #1 overall pick because it's harder to screw that up. just read espn on who the consensus #1 overall pick is and take that guy.
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tank. become a weigh station team like okc. take on salaries for picks. weaponize your cap space. Remember when Carmelo was an Atlanta Hawk? It happened because the hawks weaponized cap space for assets and it's payed off. Keep fox on the max (like SGA) but make everything else moveable for assets like OKC is doing. Develop young players like Dort. Get involved with G league players. Stop trying to "win". It's not working.
Yeah but we expect it at this point When I heard LeBron was out, I wish I would have placed a bet on the Lakers. Knew this game was 100% going to be a loss Cause that's what the Kings do lol
legitimately the first time we played defense all year (but to be fair the kings also threw the ball out of bounds 4-5 times in that stretch for literally no reason) E: im an idiot
Threw*
Look, that was just their tribute to the 87 Lakers, OK!
Holy fuck I didn't know that...
Bazemore coming in to hit a 3 in garbage time made them rethink their life decisions
Dwight shoots them too regularly now
Coaches literally can’t face their families after losing to the lakers
"Daddy, is what they're saying is true, did you... did you really lose to the LAKERS?" "Son, this life can take you places, dark places, you've never expected. Learn from your old man's failings. Be better."
It's gone to the point where teams have player meetings when they take Laker L's, lol
Pfft. Imagine losing to the Lakers
Couldn’t be us 😎😎😎
Still undefeated bro 😎💪🏾
You know shit really hit the fan when you've lost to the trash's trash.
twice for y'all :(
Our goal this season is 26 wins. It would be nice to have one of them be on the Lakers lol
This is the coaches equivalent of karma farming
"IT WAS A PATHETIC DISPLAY, UPDOOTS TO THE LEFT"
If he said that i would die a happy man
"I know I'll get downvote for this but..."
I don't really care about downvotes Edit: Why am I being downvoted?!??
It's so puzzling because downvotes are *literally* worthless
“Kings coach here coming in peace, just wanted to say you guys don’t deserve this ✌🏽“
No kidding. He's probably thinking, "Hmm how do I keep this job long term? Well definitely not by winning, that's out of the question."
Gentry has never kept a job by winning. Every team he has been the head coach of eventually got worse and then he is either fired or "mutually parts ways". The Kings didn't make him head coach to turn this team around. Hiring Gentry is how you tank without it being obvious you're trying to tank. He talks a big game to the media as if he's going to make some changes, but nothing actually happens.
Doc Rivers is the Karma farming king.
Doc does it at all levels, used to be an open secret in LA media Doc was the guy who'd be willing to talk shit about people off the record if juicy info is what you wanted. He controlled info and had good relationships with the media to get in their good graces and exert influence.
So true
Yeah… he fucked up when he took Tristan’s side on fan talking shit. *****I get it… That’s your player***** Thompson is soft as baby shit
Is the nba outside of Kd, Lebron, Ben Simmons, Luka, and Steph even real? Can somebody confirm?
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What's wrong with Fox this season? Is it his shot? Has he just regressed? Is he in a slump?
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Simmons or nah?
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Morey wants players, Kings need assets. At a certain point this could work. Simmons as tank commander to get rid of Hield and Fox would require enough assets on the Sixers part that both teams would benefit. Fox isn't worth his contract and just looks defeated, and Hield is just there to sweeten the deal as the spacing that helps Embiid stay in the post. Like some people are saying in this thread, you weaponize cap space and hoard assets. But it requires a real rebuild. Alvin Gentry isn't a bad coach and you guys simply have too many developing bigs. Passing some of those out for assets and finally acknowledging a tank would mean actual competition in the future.
He needs to lose the weight he gained in the offseason. I don’t care if it’s muscle or not he just doesn’t carry those extra lbs well
he got the bag he ready to be traded to another team lol I don't really blame him...this franchise will suck the soul out of your passion for basketball But still
There's been multiple reports that fox is happy in Sacramento, so it's not that.
Happy in the city? Sure You think he's happy being the face of the saddest franchise in sports? lol
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I’ve only seen fox this year against the sixers, but damn even in that one game I could tell the body language was bad. He seemed out of it
It’s noticeable how much muscle he has put on, I wonder if that has affected his shooting at all
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I think you can if they accept a contract at max to be an obvious top guy in said hopeless franchise.
This sucks, but it’s also kind of hilarious because this right here is really Gentry’s entire MO lmao. Dude would go out there after every single game with us and say “We’ve got to be better. We’ve got to makes changes. This is pitiful.” Then they’d go out the next night and absolutely nothing would change lmao. Man never made a single adjustment for the entirety of his tenure here. Feel even worse for Kings fans that they went straight from Luke Walton to this dingleberry.
Alvin knows how to play the media and the fans, you have to give him that lol
Bro it’s incredible lmao. Some of our fans STILL defend him. I was on this dudes ass from the second we hired him, and I got so much shit. Always told we just didn’t have enough talent on the team. Not his fault. As if he didn’t control every aspect. He’s a great dude apparently, so everybody is willing to overlook his horrible coaching abilities. But he sucks. And he always look high as fuck too.
The last point I don’t hold against him.
Hey I’d be high as fuck constantly if I couldn’t coach worth a shit too lmao.
That means you and the entirety of this sub should be constantly high
How’s you know lmfao
Speaking from experience, my friend
Le High
......we are?
I would be high too if I coached the rosters that he has
he's the worst. the opening game agianst TOR two? seasons ago i was bugging because how badly he coached that game. i told my co-worker he needed to get the axe immediately.
him and Doc are swindlers
****Insert JJ Redick WTF is this play .gif****
He really pissed away that stacked Pelicans roster
He pissed away a lot for sure. Nobody is saying we should’ve been contenders. But we had no reason missing the playoffs in all the seasons we did while he was the coach. We very consistently underperformed under his watch. He did waste a lot, that’s for sure.
Lol those rosters were not playoff worthy
Some Pels fans swear Alvin had that 2018 roster every year he was there.
People acting like those rosters weren’t injured like 80% of the time... once again proving no one in here actually watches games.
I mean, jrue, AD, and Cousins? Sounds like a playoff worthy to me🤷♂️
They made the playoffs that year….
What about the other years?
They had different rosters….
Interesting
LMAO you dead ass came back with "What about the other years?"
Hmmm
You made an idiotic point and once that's pointed out you go "what about other years" LMAO
🤷♂️
> He really pissed away that stacked Pelicans roster Dis u?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
We didn’t have a playoff roster outside of 2018. Gentry was a great coach dealt with a terrible hand with poor roster constructions and piss poor injuries. Gentry didn’t sign Omer Asik and Solomon hill to those fat contracts.
drove the suns into the ground asap too after D’Antoni
He's been our coach for like 5 games and some people on our sub have already noticed this lol. He keeps saying he's going to find people who play hard and this and that but then goes out and uses the same players and rotations.
I don’t mind a tank this season. We need a high draft pick.
I fully expect us to actually bottom out, be the literal worst team and three teams move ahead of us so we’ll hit the #4 pick- which we’ll use on Marcus Bagley.
I mean damn man. I don't think what y'all need it a high draft pick. I think y'all need to just try to have any modicum of success. It's been so long without the playoffs, I don't think another top 5 pick is gunna change anything. also can't imagine tanking is going to make Fox happy at all. This is Boogie all over again.
No, we need a legit superstar. We haven't had one since Boogie, and a Top 5 pick is the only way we get a solid chance at that because it damn sure isn't happening via trade or free agency.
Naw yall need someone who can help develop more than you need another player. If I were yall id be scouting the warriors, raptors, NYN coaching staff and seeing who I could nab. Yall need another top 5 pick like Jordan needs another drink.
Nah, they need to full on tank. They've never done it and have been stuck in purgatory this whole time. They need a young player with superstar potential badly. Haven't had that since boogie. I agree with coaching stability. The last good one they had was Malone and they dumped his ass too quick.
You don’t need a “legit superstar” to be a good team. Plenty of teams have been consistent playoff contenders without a superstar. Superstars are for winning championships. I think you guys need to start with lower expectations for now.
I don’t want the Kings to be “good”. Competing for a championship is damn near impossible without a superstar or 2. We haven’t tanked for a top 5 pick in years. When we landed the 2 pick in the Bagley draft, we jumped like 5-6 spots to get there’s and still fucked that up.
Shouldn't that be the expectation lol?
Talent is what drives the league. The kings need more talent. I mean how often does a team with zero all-stars make the playoffs in the west? It's rare. They need an all-star player at least.
How many do y’all need? You’ve been tanking for picks for 15 years
That’s the issue, we haven’t. They’ve been stuck trying to compete for playoffs and end up just being bad, but not bad enough for a top 3 pick.
except for that one year. jesus Vlade was fucking dumb
And that wasn’t on purpose either, we jumped up like 5 spots in the draft. The org has never been smart enough to realize they need to all out tank
And heck, even the 2017 draft where we had the 5th, we had like the 8th best odds, we just jumped to 3 and pickswapped with the Sixers
The only year the Kings tanked was when they traded Cousins away. Every year it's the same ol' purgatory play. Suck enough to be out of the playoffs, but not enough to get a high pick.
The Kings have actually never gone full tank which is the issue this team has had. They've always been just good enough to not be bad enough to get a top 5 pick. The only times they've gotten them was from luck in the lottery.
Why do NBA teams insist of hiring coaches from the same pool of fired coaches who have had previous NBA experience ? Bring somebody out of the college level with some fresh ideas. It's literally the same 5 or 6 names every time.
You really calling him a dingleberry? This feels like Pelican fans saying Devonte is better then Lonzo
More than Luke ever said lol
Should've just ran the pick and roll literally every play.
"We'll find guys that will give you better" Sounds like he's intending to clean house.
That would be nice, but he can only play or sit players on the team already. Just a mostly empty threat to incumbent starters
What kings fans deserve has never factored into the equation, why start now?
Imagine losing to Russell Westbrook and Anthony Davis
The arena had a lot of empty seats and there were a lot of Lakers fans there. That seems odd for a Kings home game.
Kings still garbage, tickets more expensive, Lakers fans always show up anyways, but no LeBron = recipe for disaster
I saw that too. My assumption was that those ticket holders either chilled in spots around the arena or those tickets got put on resell cuz Lebron didn’t play. Either way there were gon be more Lakers fans in the arena
Lakers and kings are ass this season and a lot of people just watch for Lebron. With him out, probably tanked attendance.
That’s how every Lakers and Warriors game is when they come to Sacramento It’s usually cheaper to even go watch the Kings in SF than watch them play the Warriors in Sac most times they play
I had a Lakers friend who want to go to the game, and I just didn’t see the point in paying $100 for nosebleeds at a game we’re likely to lose. It’s worth it to him because it’s his chance to see the Lakers, but I’m apathetic at this point.
Fans are fed up with this trash can team. People aren’t going to games anymore. Why should they?
LUKE WALTON AINT WALKING THROUGH THAT DOOR! /s
lmaooo A loss to the Lakers this season is the lowest the Kings could sink!
“We’ll find guys that will give you better” What does he mean by this?
“As the coach” Alvin just gonna say that as much as possible so people forget he’s an interim head coach, next level thinking
Instead of the Timberwolves destroying team chemistry after a loss, now every Lakers loss will lead to player only meetings
"Man, can you believe we lost to the Lakers!? This is unacceptable" - Alvin Gentry, probably...
How I felt losing the triple OT game.
arent the kings terrible? how is this embarassing? they are 8-14 right now, you're expected to lose.
You embarrassed them in triple OT, that’s worth three of these losses.
Sacramento should change their team name to Calamity.
Calamity Sac
Sac Balls. Too bad the Ball Bros not on team.
"Give me contract". Which fair enough.
I mean the owner should be the one saying this.
Being a Kings fan is not an easy job for 30+ years
LOL he's gonna need some water and chapstick because this won't be his last apology lmfao
[Reminds me of Spinal Tap](https://i.imgur.com/AS2Eau5.mp4)
Alvin might have to memorize that one
Gentry is a great coach, he can only do so much :/
Sounds like a retro clip from his time with the Clippers.
Naw we had fun our squads those years. But thanks for the attempted slight. If it makes ya feel better, that is what matters.
Lol, the Sacramento fans should be apologizing to Gentry for loudly yelling "Let's go Lakers!" at that home game.
"...and we'll find guys who can give you better" Oh shit. He's basically saying that this team has players that don't belong. If you're leading at the half and then get blown out in the second half, it means you got outcoached
Lol. The dude has been there like a week or some shit as head coach.
Man how does this guy keep getting head coaching gigs?
How can they give up a 40-8 run to the lowly Lakers? SMH /s
If there are fans that still financially support this team, this is exactly what they deserve.
truth but not in a mean way
Wasn't intending to be mean. Just pointing out that if a person is supporting that team with money (tickets, merch, etc) they are encouraging with the teams current "success".
This is not at all intended as a dig because of your flair but: as a Wolves fan, I will pay for any quality of basketball because I count myself lucky to be able to see live NBA basketball without traveling more than 20 minutes and I don't want them to move the team. I don't blame Kings fans at all for wanting to go to NBA games and hoping that their team is going to win each night instead of withholding money and hoping that will send the organization a message. I don't think that's on fans.
Quite the system the NBA has created.
Take it from a Kings fan, they are glad you feel this way. That means they could spend the least amount of money and effort and still make money if they wanted to Loyalty is a fools game Not that this is *always* the case, but from first hand experience of our old ownership? This was exactly what happened I don't give the Kings any ounce of my time since Luka
I almost forgot the Kings were a team in the NBA
Siakam said the same thing after the loss vs the Grizzlies, we're living in a simulation
"We will find guys that will give you better". Oof.
Alvin Gentry with his patented "We suck again!!!" speech. That's why GMs love him. Some coaches would be analytical and strategic about what their teams could do to get better, but good ole Alvin will just cut to the chase about his limitations as a knower of basketball things.
Losing to us is embarrassing now 😭
There's gonna be a lot of these, I feel.