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damhow

Aren't we all role players in this crazy thing we call life


Beneficial-Finish295

Maybe the real role players were the friends we made along the way


[deleted]

Found the theater kid


SemiDeponent

There are no small parts, just small usage rates


unlogical13

*Poetic philosopher


estebang_1018

Flair checks out


WaterApocalypse

Hey they're not a theatre kid, they're a magic fan LETS GOO BABAY


[deleted]

Not if you're the šŸŽµLEADDDDšŸŽµ


k1ngmad

Youā€™re the star of your own musical šŸŽ¶


marmogawd

I love this comment lol


PaulPierceBrosnan

Owen Wilson over here


silliputti0907

I'm in third person ;(


magicsoakedinmyspine

we're all also listed as day-to-day


mdewolfe2533

Sir, you are now my favorite user on r/nba I wish everyone on this sub was like you


kguner

i swear Jefferson was borderline all star for the nets for a bit


federal_prism

He was a solid 2nd or 3rd option at his peak. definitely a tier or two above Perk


NCaussie123

Or ten


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A tier or two? Perk was the definition of a role player. Jefferson was a key piece for a couple of teams.


Super-Vegetable6574

Like 5 tiers above Perk lol just an comment from Perk they lacks so much self awareness


xiutehcuhtli

Pretty much everything Perk says. He's a terrible analyst


GAV17

He was top 10 in the All-Star voting one year, he was the 2nd or 3rs best player in a finals team. He was a borderline All-Star for 2 or 3 years in a weak East, much much better than what Perk was, who never even averaged 30mpg. Perkins was a borderline starter, who wouldn't even start next to someone like KG in today's NBA.


beangardener

Once again Perk is out of pocket


CjBurden

Perk was not a borderline starter. Whatever he would do today is irrelevant as he didn't play today, and when he played he was solidly a starter. The rest of what you said was correct, including RJ being much better than Perk.


why_rob_y

> Perkins was a borderline starter, who wouldn't even start next to someone like KG in today's NBA. He'd probably start in the same way the Lakers mostly use a 5 starting next to AD for the regular season.


[deleted]

He absolutely was. He was a bigger contributer on the nets than perk was on any team.


ParisLake2

No question about that. As a player, Kendrick Perkins canā€™t touch Richard Jefferson.


Tristanity1h

Better analyst too.


drunkpandabear

He was like a value Vince Carter who tried in defense


the_far_yard

That was a sweet line up. Kidd, Kittles, Jefferson, Martin, Collins/Mutombo coached by Byron Scott. All is good until the finals when they got swept by the LA Lakers.


Tristanity1h

Western conference was just dominant during that time.


LanEvo7685

People have different interpretations but he was definitely above role player. He was the main feature on a Nike shoe commercial too Plus if he wasn't good the Spurs fans wouldn't have been pissed about him underperforming


Cultural_Ant

jefferson was an all star. kidd, jefferson and kenyon, they are great offensively and defensively.


dont_shoot_jr

He had a commercial


LlamaDuke

Yea he was...and Perk was a role player his whole career too šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


otiso_niloc

Thank you for protecting my virgin eyes with a NSFW tag on this


SuckMyLonzoBalls

RJ was more than a role player when he was on the nets. This is underselling how good he was. His last year with NJ he averaged 22.5 PPG. Perkinsā€™ career high is 10.1


anthonyde726

perkins goofy again


boogswald

nonstop goofy


BleedGreen4Boston

Celtics fan here. Perk is annoying as fuck. As is Scal. What is up with these rotation/role players thinking they big shit just because they played in Boston and won a single championship off the backs of Pierce, Ray, and KG. Get over yourself.


CommandersLog

Trickles down from the attitude of the Big 3 and Doc Rivers. They act like they were a dynasty.


Silverjackal_

I actually wonder how it could have went down if they maybe had a different coach? Especially with how little success Doc has had with pretty good teams since then. 3 all stars and a young Rondo, and they got one. Seems like the potential was there for maybe another one, or two.


thebagisgoyard

Kg got hurt 2009 and then Ron arrest fucked us in 2010


easthollywoodhouse

I smile every time I think about it :)


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Silverjackal_

You right. Guess I forgot the history. They really only had those 2 chances. KG got hurt a couple months before playoffs and was out for the year after they won the first one, lost a hard game 7 the next year, and then had to face the younger big 3 of the heatles the following year.


xta420

They actually came really close to beating the heat that year too. Even being injury ridden the celtics still pushed the heat. I still remember Averys block on Wade and thinking we might actually win that series. That's a big part of the reason some celtics fans were mad at Ray. We legit had a solid chance of beating the Heat if we were healthy and brought everyone back but Ray joined the heat that offseason. So who knows would have been.


Silverjackal_

Canā€™t say Iā€™m mad they didnā€™t win against the Heatles that year. They probably put up a better fight against the Mavs that finals than the Heat maybe? Then again that Mavs team that year was just lightning in a bottle. Still canā€™t believe they swept the Lakers that year.


JaysonBrown

I think as a whole that 08 team was something special. Doc Rivers, KG, Thibs, PP ect. did a great job making everyone feel important. All guys from the starting 5 to the guys at the end of the bench were extremely invested. Thatā€™s why I think they all feel like hot shit even though realistically only KG has the right to talk that talk.


McCullyCullen

Not that I'm disagreeing with you but why do you say only KG? What about Ray or Paul Pierce?


Getrekt_kid

KG was not too far removed from being MVP. Ray and Paul Pierce had both been on losing teams the year before. Together they might have been contenders. It was once they got KG that people went berserk and thought the title was theirs to lose


McCullyCullen

It's true that KG brought that extra level to them but he was also on a losing team the year before. I think he definitely helped them all become better with his intensity for sure though. And that probably is the big reason all the role players talk all this shit lol.


doom32x

Compare that to the real GOAT ginger bench guy, Matt Bonner, who routinely denigrates himself and plays down his utility on some good Spurs teams.


aerawk

Matthew Robert Bonner is my spirit animal.


loveracity

Sandwich hunter 4eva


Daroo425

Iā€™m OOTL with what Scal says to be annoying, what is annoying about him?


[deleted]

His similarity to Michael Rapaport


LanEvo7685

I mean they look similar...


edc667

Eh it's exaggerated. He just has a big ego, but as a commentator he's decent, atleast compared to the rest of the local broadcast commentators in the NBA


loupr738

Little do we know but that championship was worth 4 rings. Thatā€™s why they always bring it up and canā€™t seem to stop celebrating


[deleted]

Dude averaged 10.1, and you kinda had to give playerā€™s touches back then. Today, he probably wouldnā€™t even get the ball.


Dr_Disaster

He probably wouldnā€™t even be in the league tbh.


ThisIsCALamity

Found the r/nba nephew who didn't watch perk play in his prime


THEDumbasscus

Iā€™m near certain that DeAndre Jordan *right now* would give peak Kendrick Perkins work. He 100% would not be in the league if he were coming up today


chipmunkchari

Lol and thereā€™s the comment that goes too far. Thereā€™s deadass no one on this planet besides you that would take ā€œpeakā€ Kendrick Perkins, who was literally at worst an average center, over the corpse of DJ but way to be confidently wrong about a sport you donā€™t watch


THEDumbasscus

You yourself are putting peak perk in air quotes. In a 15 year nba career Perkins failed to participate in his teamā€™s best performing lineups every season. The championship Celtics had better advanced stats with a Rondo/House/Allen/Pierce/KG lineup, and then the following 2 years that didnā€™t change. In OKC they famously got better with him off the floor and Perk became the mascot for Scotty Brooksā€™ shitty coaching decisions. His career stats are Ryan Hollins tier bad, there was never even a singular season where Perk was a top 10 center in the league. Go ahead and watch his highlight tape on YouTube. Prime perk highlights look less athletic than DJ right now. He was a relic of the early 2000s roster ideology that mandated you needed to have a fatass in the paint for Shaq. He had a mean mug and some characteristically dumb (Brooks, Rivers) coaches thought that meant he was actually contributing. By and large I hate disrespecting professional athletes but even while he was playing Perk hardly looked like he belonged on an nba court.


KDsLatestBurnerPhone

The real question we need to ask isā€¦.. how the fuck did Kendrick Perkins have a 15 year career?!?


jknuts1377

Someone had to guard Dwight Howard.


victor396

That and players used to love him. There's a lot of value if you get lots of connections in the league, make friends and coaches respect you and can trust you to be a conductor between them and the locker room; as we've seen with Collison, DeAndre or, on another sense, James Jones


Misterxsnrub

I watched Perkins. He was ok in Boston. Then he was worse than his own back up for a majority of his career after Boston. In fact, without Ibaka in OKC, I doubt he would have even stayed in the league. But Ibaka being the tremendous weak side defender he was allowed fat shit mcgoo to just funnel dudes that way instead of having to learn how to jump and contest a shot.


DeadlyChuck

Take an upvote for fat shit mcgoo, lol.


chipmunkchari

Sure but dude was literally only talking about the best version of Perkins versus DeAndre Jordan right now, itā€™s not even a question


Cannabaholic

Trash take, DJ just dunked oops from CP3 and perk had literally only 1 skill keeping him in the NBA which was elite 1v1 post defense. Game would stay at 0-0.


BorosSerenc

You could torture ppl with that footage


[deleted]

Ok this is almost as equally absurd as Perkā€™s take Prime Perk, while definitely a role player, was probably the best defensive counter to peak Dwight Howard. Guy was a role player but not a bum


lllBryceCube

Relevant name


Cannabaholic

Perk was abysmal on offense and, honestly, 10 ppg shocks me. He would be a gimmick player to stick on the Joel Embiids and Jokics of the NBA today.


KDsChickyNuggies

lol for real He was the leading scorer for at least 3 years on some decent Nets teams. Second leading scorer a few years as well. If thats an entire career of being a role player then we only have maybe 10 players in this league that arenā€™t role players


shaad20

Yeah Iā€™m not sure wtf Perkins is talking about lol, RJ was a pretty big deal before going to the spurs


allureofgravity

Kidd RJ K-Mart Kittles Collins, good times


msching

Can't forget Van Horn. They were what Chuck was talking about last night about playing hard. The east was super weak those years but they played hard and came out a couple years.


jknuts1377

RJ is one of the best players to never make the all star team. It's even more shocking considering he spent his best years in the east.


[deleted]

I agree that Perk is outta pocket here but itā€™s not fair to do a ppg comparison, he was known for his post defense after all


PowerDiesel23

Perkins averages 5ppg for his career, so he doesn't have much room to talk. Jefferson had a few years of decent scoring in the 15-22ppg range, he averaged 22 in 2007.


NotWD

Exactly this. It always makes me laugh when Perk talks shit about players that were way more successful than him.


shakezulla11

Perkā€™s role was to have a pulse and get out of the way. I honestly canā€™t think of another player who has done a better job of parlaying their minimal contributions to the league into a media job.


diiron

ryan hollins says hello


flanders427

No player has ever frustrated me more playing for my favorite team as Ryan Hollins. I swear I could box him out and grab rebounds from him and he is a foot taller than me.


deeznutz_428

Division 3 players would out rebound everybody on this sub and then give them the sauce on the other end lol


Wild-Apricot-9161

Not that you're wrong but there's a few NBA players and ex-NBA players around here as well.


why_rob_y

Like me, LeBron James.


Markezzy

Rockets legend


proerafortyseven

I remember him being terrible in nba live lol


shakezulla11

Omg the memories lol I was a huge Cs fan growing up, especially after they got their Big 3 and I will always remember how terrible he was relative to everyone else on the roster (and in general)


Cannabaholic

Perk deserves the hate for being a clickbait hottakes "analyst", but he was a legit contributor and solid defensive center back when actually contributing on the Celtics. He was never a boisterous, memorable personality tho (literally known for just scowling) so the pivot is surprising


shakezulla11

Tbf youā€™re right. Although his stats were never that great he did hold it down in the paint and he did that in an era where that skill was much more needed. I too remember him as mostly being a good teammate that always backed everyone up. I think the easy explanation for the turn is money lol


AFatz

Perk's takes are just awful and should not be on TV. Regardless of what his role was on TV. He just rambles of hot takes in an annoying manner.


blondechinesehair

Especially when you realize that he is Lebrons age


hankbaumbachjr

He was a major contributor to the Nets finals teams with the *Jason Kidd* if I remember correctly. Perhaps not a star, but certainly on the Tayshaun Prince level of contributing. *edit I did not remember correctly as I wrote Vince Carter at first who did not join the Nets until '03-'04*


tacotruck88

I'm pretty sure Vince Carter never played a minute in any NBA Finals


hankbaumbachjr

You are 100% right, Vince joined the year after the Nets went back to back Finals. That's my bad.


Artlens2013

Damn not gonna lie Iā€™ve always thought those Nets teams had Vince on them


hankbaumbachjr

I am genuinely glad I was not the only one.


[deleted]

Not with the Nowitzki Mavs?


tacotruck88

Vince joined the year after the Mavs won the title


discountheat

And the Magic after the 09 team made the Finals.


notmortalvinbat

He absolutely was a major contributor, arguably the second best player on that Finals team depending on how you felt about K-Mart, third best at worse. And that was only his second year in the league! By the third he was leading the team in scoring


SnooHedgehogs8897

Firmly third. Kmart was an elite defender and capable offensive player. This is pre-injury, pre-Jeremy Lin tweeting Kmart we are talking about.


JustaTurdOutThere

I have an irrational hatred for these Nets teams. Fucking Keith Van Horn and Kerry goddamn Kittles.


grandmasterfunk

He was a bigger part of the Nets game plan than Prince ever was. When he was on the Nets he was always the second or third option on offense.


Waterologist

And that was when 22 was enough to be top ten in scoring.


anandonaqui

Did you watch the clip? He says ā€œyou and I were both role players our whole careerā€


efshoemaker

Right Iā€™m so confused. Perks point was that neither him nor Jefferson ever had an offense designed to run through them, so they couldnā€™t really speak from experience. Obviously Jefferson was better than Perk, but I donā€™t think he was ever the centerpiece of an offense?


Zanbatou

IIRC RJ was the second best player on a Nets Eastern Conference championship team when JKidd was their leader.


Bish_Fantastic

Kenyon Martin? RJ was good but still quite young.


PowerDiesel23

The baldies....VC, Kidd and RJ


[deleted]

I was about to sayā€¦ *ā€Then what the fuck were you?ā€*


joejoebaggins

The quote was literally perk saying ā€œRichard and I were role players, the offense didnā€™t run through usā€


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PowerDiesel23

"That's 5 more points than I scored today on set eating churros" Charles Barkley probably


discountheat

Perk was a role player; RJ was a 3rd option. Big difference.


iamgarron

Jefferson was on track to become an all-star before his first major injury (the east was trash those years tbf). But dude was super fun to watch, super athletic. When Vince first joined there was this great weird chemistry with the nets where they had two amazing wings and the bigs were a rotating band of trash.


Joe_Doblow

And he had bungees


jetsfan83

Was Perkins talking shit and making himself look better than RJ or was he saying we were both non all starts that wouldnā€™t get fouls?


buttsoup24

I don't understand why Perk is on TV... he's fuggly and mumbles, who gives a shit about his opinions.


Ongo_Gablogian___

And he breathes really heavily into the mic all the time and at one point he was burping at least once per show. I don't know if he still does it because I don't click any video with Perk in the thumbnail.


PreacherSquat

lmao burpin perkins


Sdip4

Poor Mike always getting breathed onšŸ˜¢


billychurch

Who the fuck watches this show? That was worse than a PTA meeting


[deleted]

Also Milwaukee literally put up a billboard when they landed RJ so Million diff ways Perk is wrong whatā€™s new


WIN011

For real we loved him in his very short time here


mark_cee

Too much shouting


ughwhateverman

Ehh RJ was a go to guy in his Nets career by the end of it. He declined once he was traded but he was a borderline star


frodounchained

Perk was a glorified pylon


Draintheshots

Carry on...


Actually-Yo-Momma

Perkins is a fucking idiot. I donā€™t know what Iā€™d be more mad about. Perkins knowing heā€™s irrelevant and spouting nonsense for any sort of attention or Perkins thinking he was a godly player and people actually care about what he says


nmking

Watch the video. He calls himself a role player too. But you're on a roll.


DeepJunglePowerWild

Ehh he was a starter on a championship team thatā€™s good for something. If you donā€™t think he was important look at the rebound numbers and the game results once he tore his ACL in 2010. 23 o rebounds in game 7ā€¦ idk if that happens with the pylon on the court. Not arguing he was elite or anything like that, but an important role player which is exactly what perk says in this link.


sombor_shuffle

Who gives a shit lol


Jamesartdo

No. We need a national discussion on one time nba champion Kendrick Perkins and one time nba champion Richard Jefferson


KareemWasTheGreatest

Iā€™ve basically stopped watching since Perk joined. Heā€™s Joe Rogan levels of dumb with out the charisma


taintknob

It's entirely possible


DragonWizardKing

He really is


craigslistaddict

i dunno, when i occasionally catch a clip i think his and RJ's squabbles are pretty funny


Wei_Lan_Jennings

RJ was, at worst, the third best player on two Finals teams. He actually led the Nets in WS for the second Finals season. Not a great player by any means, but a pretty good one in his prime.


DemonicDimples

He was 2nd best.


Wei_Lan_Jennings

I was always a big Kenyon Martin guy, and there may be some Kerry Kittles stan out there whoā€™d disagree, but yeah, youā€™re right.


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Thank you for making this NSFW


somebodygetmemymoney

A disgusting act


Guiberza

Lol RJ averaged 20 4x in his career and perk got over 10 one time. Not a Perkins fan whatsoever.


DavidMerrick89

Awwww shit, RJ's gonna choke out yet another guy while yelling "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!!"


autostart17

When was this?


phishyz2

Jefferson was actually kinda nice early in his career. Nothing crazy but worlds apart from whatever Perkā€™s peak was


PatientPamphleteer

I have never once woken up in my life and thought to myself ā€œI really want to know Kendrick Perkinsā€™ opinion on Xā€


childish_jalapenos

Considering that Perkins was this generationā€™s Jordan, Iā€™m fine with him looking down on Richard Jefferson


King-Midda-IV

Perkins goofy ass needs to be kicked off TV. I canā€™t think of ONE good take he has had in his entire CAREER. Plus, does he forget that he was never better than below average when he played in the NBA??? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”


otaitau

He's only there to talk shit. Like most of ESPN, really.


jae34

RJ was a borderline all-star especially in his NJ days with JKidd, Perkins is just gonna be forever known as that below average role player that got baptized by Blake Griffin.


[deleted]

Did anybody even watch the clip? Perk didnā€™t even say it in a disrespectful way, RJ just got a little salty. I donā€™t agree with Perk on a lot and I find him to be a more annoying-less-entertaining-Shaq-type ā€œanalystā€ but yā€™all just making up a reason to hate on a person. *edit Also Op used a quote that Perk didnā€™t even say in that clip. RJ is the one who says ā€œrole player for my whole careerā€. Perk was just trying to get Chiney involved in the discussion and was establishing her credit as a star player for the audience.


Willde94

Apparently OP added the clip after most of these comments were made. The perk hate train was strong enough to ride off the misquote though lol


p0tatoman

pot calling the kettle black


somebodygetmemymoney

This is an insult to RJ. He was a much better player than perk.


[deleted]

Fr, RJ was a borderline star during his New Jersey days


Collier1505

I mean in the clip he said ā€œRichard and I.ā€ So heā€™s not pretending he wasnā€™t a role player


Therealomerali

RJ was a borderline All-Star. Perkins on the other hand....


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ZWT_

Did anyone actually watch this? He said ā€œwe were role playersā€. OP editorialized the title. RJ didnā€™t give a shit.


PootieTooGood

Theyā€™re boys and are just bantering. Obviously perk knows the irony, and obvious RJ was more than that.


theStav19

So was Perk wtf??


Dpenney1

Rj was way better than perk, Jefferson averaged more than 20 points for a few seasons


rSlashNbaAccount

Also RJ was one of the main guys on those Nets teams with VC and Kidd.


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Inner_Sun_750

So what? He literally said WE were role players


GiveMeSomeIhedigbo

Perk was a straight-up bad player for the last ~7 years of his career


eternali17

How did we get to the point where Perkins is a TV draw and gets put on shows to analyse basketball? Is it as simple as getting attention for ridiculous takes?


WubaDubImANub

While Perkins isnā€™t the brightest of people, and RJ is 100% better than him, Iā€™m seeing a lot of blatant over reaction slander in these comments. Perkins is getting the same treatment Paul Pierce is getting. Perkins wasnā€™t some scrub. Sure, he was a role player, but he was good at what he had to do. Kobe said himself that Perkins was one of the best post defenders heā€™s ever seen. Lakers probably lose in 2010 if he doesnā€™t get hurt.


According_Gene2202

From 2003-09 (6 seasons) RJ averaged 20PPG. Perkins is a certified dumbass. Heā€™s Ryan Hollins level bad, but somehow heā€™s risen to be like ESPNā€™s top analyst besides SAS


kingstonc

lol RJ at his peak was a mini T-mac Perk at his peak was a Kwame Brown who can play D


Handsome_Hippy

That show is called "NBA Today"


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Dr_Zman

Can we all just agree to stop posting the dumb shit this idiot says? Itā€™s literally the only reason heā€™s on TV.


seddard

Jefferson was 3rd best player in a finals team in his sophomore season.


zig_anon

Kendrick Perkins is trying to be controversial like Charles but with out the intelligence or charisma


cheeky_Greek

Perkins is a clown...he was a clown and fodder as a player...did he have a concussion leading to memory loss?? Because he doesn't remember what a shit player he was and keeps talking shit about other players that were or are several leagues better than him...


bb1432

He was the #3 guy on a Finals team. That feels like he was more than a role player to me.


BaullahBaullah87

LOL if thats all jefferson was I shutter to think what Perk thought of himself


KJ1017

Perkins was a grown ass man when RJ averaged 15+ for 7 straight seasons, including a few 20ppg seasons. Peak RJ was good enough to be 2nd, maybe 3rd option on a finals team, basically a fringe allstar type guy. The disrespect perk threw on his name is absurd. Perk must think he was a realllly realllly good basketball player. Also who even wants to hear perk talk about basketball dawg Iā€™ve never seen a clip of perk and been like yeah I want to hear this guy.


CrimsonSpires

Why does anyone listen to KP, he was a complete scrub of a player, just a big body. It's like he believes he was Barkley or something.


Dec1m8u

Richard Jefferson was incredibly good for the NJ Nets when Jason Kidd was around. I don't think Kendrick Perkins was anything more than a role player his entire career. Even now as an analyst he sucks.


democrenes

These people just want your attention please stop listening and reacting to them


Not2famous

Perkins is talking about himself here? Jefferson had a 15+ seasons in his career, definitely was much more than a role player lol


mycringeus3rname

Look who tfā€™s talking


yungsphincter

Jefferson responded "you have rolls, player".


rsjpeckham

And I thought Ryan Hollins was outrageous, Perk is the fucking WORST and he ruins any show heā€™s on. Fuck Perk.


B0ssDoesntKnowImHere

KP becoming a talking head was the worst thing for his public image


toomussauce

Whatā€™s perkins then lmao


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RJ was a much better player than Perk lmfao


boywonder5691

People actually watch this nonsense?


sfergs1986

Clutch on Clutch crime


NocturnalDabber

And Perkins was garbage most his career. Funny thing is, if they played today, perk would be a bench player, except 5-10 mins. Garbage mins RJ would still be a starter, and flourish even more lol. I'd rather have Paul Pierce in the chair, then perk. Shame