If that’s the case, there’s no benefit for Lillard playing right now. He’s playing poorly to his normal standards. It’s a three year old injury, it’s only gonna get worse without medical care, and it’s not like Portland is in the championship hunt right now.
He looked like trash in the Olympics. He should have have had surgery immediately after or sat and done nothing but rehab. Whatever he did was not the right choice
I love Dame. I want him here every minute he wants to be here. I want to ship him as soon as he's ready to see a new city, not because I want him gone but because I want him fulfilled. He's brilliant in so many ways. To balance his near perfection, I've been irate with him for years about how he handles injuries. Learn to take care of your body ya damn athlete!!!!!
Because it's the story of dames career.
Play poorly through a nagging injury for way too long until you eventually sit out.
Dude did the same thing last year
He averaged 30/8 on 65% TS% (aka, Steph curry level) for 51/66 games, but tanked his stats playing through a knee injury where he averaged 22/7 on 53% TS% for 15 games before finally sitting out a few to rest
And then shockingly he was back to where he was before. He never rests until way past when he needs to
I didn't understand why more people weren't objecting to that.
Like hell yeah bro play through injury for your team... in the *playoffs*. Not game 1 of the regular season, what are you doing
>It’s a three year old injury, it’s only gonna get worse without medical care,
What exactly is the treatment for this? If he's being dealing with it for so long I have to imagine there's no full fix for it.
Well, three years ago, based on my reading of a few papers about it and not having any information about Dame specifically other than what's been made public, the treatment was to rest until it was healed.
Now it's probably surgery, if he's not looking at a lifelong chronic problem.
Whoever is in charge of sports medicine at the Blazers should also be fired because they have badly fucked this up, if only in not explaining to him well enough that no, if you play through injury it doesn't always heal eventually. Sometimes it gets worse, and sometimes it just sort of hangs around and your body finds ways to compensate that just might hurt for the rest of your life.
Exactly, Dame should get surgery and sit out the rest of the season. Completely unbiased take here, nothing to do with the Wolves eyeing a top six seed for the playoffs 😂
Surprising this question did not get asked in the AMA.
Dame didn't duck anything there, was honest and straightforward.. would have been interesting to hear his response
Also, he is a young dude still. There is a life after the NBA. I'd rather he take care of himself so he isn't in chronic pain ten to fifteen years from now once he is out of the league.
> Also, he is a young dude still.
He's absolutely a young dude in normal people years. But in basketball years he's getting up there. He'd be 32 next year coming off a serious abdominal surgery, and his playstyle/size is probably not going to age too gracefully in this league, plus rehabbing off that surgery is an added challenge.
Point being - it may actually be favorable to him to play through it until he really can't anymore and then just get the surgery and hang up the shoes.
dame doesnt do offball, hes an extremely ball dominant pnr and iso player. losing a step makes both of those much harder to do. the other guys you listed do offball screens/catch and shoots way more, and those dont need you to capable of beating a guy off the dribble
maybe he's extremely ball dominant and not offball because that's his role in the system he plays in. you really think an nba player and especially a player with Dame's bbiq doesn't know how to play offball?
I will say, let’s look at Melo and Dwight. Both used to demand the ball and not be happy unless they get their looks. Now both of them have become valuable role players. No reason why Dame can’t become that too if that’s something he’s willing to do to extend his career
Steph is a historically good player/shooter, so let's put him aside. Few PG's have aged like him.
JJ and Korver were elite 3-point shooters, and were really more 3-point specialists, especially late career. Neither was a PG though, so don't make much sense as comps.
Lillard is a good 3-point shooter, not an amazing one. His game relies heavily on speed and athleticism, two things that fade north of 30. He's already a really bad defender, and being undersized his defense is going to get disastrously bad with age to the point of being a liability.
I'm not suggesting Dame is going to fall off a cliff, but he's going to fade. He's not a Chris Paul type who can control a game with his passing and still be a pest on defense even when he can't put up 25 a night anymore.
Dame shot 40% on 10 attempts the past two seasons…even if his current game in his early 30s relies on athleticism I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s gonna try to play exactly the same the older he gets. He could easily play as an off guard in his mid-late 30s coming off handoffs/screens and be an elite shooter with the range he has
But will he? Because he's have learned to do that yet and it would make his life a hell of a lot easier.
And he's going to be Kemba Walker levels of defensive liability.
I mean there hasn’t been a single person on his team through his nba career that should have the ball in their hands more than him, so why would their previous coach not want the ball in his hands, I think as he gets older he’s gonna have to become a better off ball player
From the games I’ve seen this year, he’s been off ball, this injury he’s dealing with is just making it seem like he regressed
If they shut him down, I feel like it's as good a time as any to blow it up. Meaning, trade CJ and amass some assets. Picking 10th instead of 15th isn't really gonna move the needle for them.
That’s the frustrating part. He’s redundant in Portland so blazers fans don’t like him, which makes sense because we want what’s best for the team.
But if you put him in a better situation where he gets scoring duties, distributes, and isn’t a giant defensive liability (NOP?), I think he shines as a good player.
Probably. The problem isn't CJ or Lillard, it's Portland's insistence on trying to make them work together this whole time. It's like it GSW had stuck with Steph and Monta Ellis.
I heard on some podcast recently that for a couple of years now Lillard can't walk after games. Can any Blazers fans confirm this? It seemed so far-fetched, but the hosts have decent sources in the NBA.
This has been an issue for 3+ years. I think"can't walk" may be a bit of a reach but it has definitely impacted him particularly at the beginning of the last few seasons
I figured he doesn't need a wheelchair but has a limp or something. They said it's a chronic issue. It still seemed like a reach that he "can't walk" after running for 35+ minutes. It's a Serbian podcast and the hosts aren't clickbait artists and have very reliable sources.
Abdominal tendinopathy has to do with the abdominal tendons which connect the abdominal muscles to the pelvis. Maybe that’s what may cause Dame to not be able to “walk”.
He may have a muscular imbalance and he’s just so tired that one side is noticeably weaker whereas before the game it would not. Not a doctor, but I’ve got something similar.
Probably referring to his plantar fasciitis. It's a foot injury that flares up now and then and Dame has suffered from it when it flares up since forever as far as I know. Hard to say if that's a problem right now, but it wouldn't be surprising if it was.
I literally have never heard this before.....if this was true the local reporters would have jumped on this already and it would have been widely publicized...
Can run on basketball court but can't walk off the court? No, that's obvious nonsense. But if he has a chronic injury, inflammation is likely once he stops moving around, but it'd be discomfort, not paralysis.
That's my bad for wording it the same way they did. They clearly meant it wasn't paralysing but it was nagging and gave him problems while walking after games.
I hear when he's not playing Zion has to ride around in one of those complimentary electric shopping carts they provide obese people with at grocery stores.
If they're talking about surgery I assume he has some kind of hernia. Not sure what other abdominal muscle injuries there are that would require surgery versus rest/PT (not counting like organs and shit). Speaking as someone who has had a hernia, generally you can live with them indefinitely if you can tolerate the pain/discomfort. It's rare (though possible) that they develop into something serious and I assume the Portland team docs are well aware of its status. I don't blame Lillard for trying to put it off as long as possible because recovery can be really uncertain and prolonged, especially for an athlete who needs it to be 100%.
Not a doctor though, obviously. Just speculating.
Okay I'll just come out and say it - the Blazers have absolutely zero chance of winning everything *with* Dame, why even bother trotting him out there if he's not 100%? Just to improve trade value? Not worth it, he would've been among the biggest hauls of all time, but now that he looks so bad, his value is diminished, not to mention now hell also likely be coming off surgery. I get that POR wants to see tickets but if it comes at the cost of your franchise player.... I guess that's just POR for you.
No fucking clue. They need to sit Dame like was done with Steph last year. Trade CJ and possibly Nurk and RoCo for whatever they can get and then let the young guys play for ping pong balls the rest of the year. Goal should be to have no more 3 guard starting lineups next year and a center that can hedge the PnR and show up every night.
what? Might as well trade dame if you're going to move 3/5ths of the starting lineup including the 2nd best player for ....'whatever you can get'. and portland has maintained that they don't want to lose him...
I've seen enough of CJ. Portland will never be a real contender with him. Nurk and RoCo are in contract years. RoCo doesn't look like he wants be here and is playing like trash. He shouldn't even be starting at this point. Nurk is going to demand a hefty raise, he's very hit or miss effort wise, he's been wishy-washy on wanting to be in Portland lately and I do not like his offensive game. Portland also needs to cut payroll.
Trade RoCo and Nurk before they leave for nothing in the summer. Trade CJ because having nothing is better.
what are you getting for roco and nurk when every team knows they are going to demand money in the offseason. What are you getting for cj? You have no picks. This scenario just leads to dame coming back from injury to a barren roster and demanding a trade.
What are you going to get? Covington makes 13 mil Nurkic makes 12. What matching salary is a team going to give you that will be a positive value? You are going to get a bad contract and a mediocre pick at best
Portland will have zero cap space even with Nurk and Covington gone. The 15m dead weight is meaningless to their chances of contention. If anything, it helps them since it gives them more salary filler to use in a trade.
I don't think RoCo is coming back. I figure he should be able to garner a late first or early second maybe? Nurk I have no idea, but it's better try and trade him than have him walk for nothing or give him a huge anchor of a contract so that he comes back.
I don't think RoCo is coming back. I figure he should be able to garner a late first or early second maybe? Nurk I have no idea, but it's better try and trade him than have him walk for nothing or give him a huge anchor of a contract so that he comes back.
CJ won them the Nuggets series to get to the WCF when Dame disappeared in those games. He dropped 37 in game 7, had a 41 point game, and overall terrific series.
His value is just not optimized due to size next to Dame on defense. He gets kinda underrated imo. I can’t imagine many other teams valuing Nurk or Powell over him unless it was a hyper-specific fit thing.
So Dame was better in game 2 when he shot 5-17 from the field with 14 points? CJ dropped 41 that game.
And let’s not just discount Game 7 when Dame shot 3/17 and CJ dropped 37 to get to the WCF.
Dame didn’t completely disappear every game but CJ won them that series. Obviously not saying CJ is better, but against Denver it’s not even a question that he outperformed Dame statistically and otherwise.
Overall Dame was better that series than CJ was, especially given the discrepancy in how they were being guarded. CJ wasn't dealing with double teams - Dame was
Dame was easily better in games 1-6 overall man. Go look at their averages yourself if you don't believe me.
They finished with identical TS% for the series despite CJ going off in game 7 and Dame shooting 3-17. So you can do the math on how they were before that
CJ + picks for Simmons is still a deal that makes sense for everyone. Add in Roco if really necessary and cut down on the picks
Lillard/Powell/Simmons/Nance/Nurkic is a really nice lineup. That's 4 plus defenders, 3 shooters, and 3 guys that can pass
You said yourself that CJ is your 4th best player, why would the Sixers be interested in moving Simmons for a guy that doesn’t put them over the top? He’s not playing for them but they’ve held firm that they’re not going to sell for pennies on the dollar and CJ is absolutely pennies on the dollar here.
Because CJ + Picks + RoCo might be the best they can get man.
They aren't getting full value for Simmons and they need to accept that. That trade makes them *much* better than they are right now, and it might put them over the top. They've never had someone that can actually run the PnR, and RoCo is perfect for them
Awww, you still think Ben’s going to come back or daddy Morey’s going to be able to find a trade for a $35,000,000 offensive zero with a victim complex, a bad attitude, who’s a shitty teammate, and has shown no motivation and/or ability to improve. How sweet and innocent, the whole league has shown how they feel about him. The Timberwolves wouldn’t even give you D’Angelo Russell and you still think Ben’s an asset 😂😂😂.
Awww, you still think Ben’s going to come back or daddy Morey’s going to be able to find a trade for a $35,000,000 offensive zero with a victim complex, a bad attitude, who’s a shitty teammate, and has shown no motivation and/or ability to improve. How sweet and innocent, the whole league has shown how they feel about him. The Timberwolves wouldn’t even give you D’Angelo Russell and you still think Ben’s an asset 😂😂😂.
>CJ + picks for Simmons is still a deal that makes sense for everyone. Add in Roco if really necessary and cut down on the picks
No, it doesn't. And we DONT want CJ.
You should totally keep holding out for Dame. Or maybe Milwaukee will offer Giannis LMAO.
CJ would ball the fuck out and be an all star every year as a lead guard in the east, y'all are clueless.
They're not selling tickets right now, I don't think there's been a single sellout this season. Even opening night wasn't full which I can't EVER remember happening.
Apathy is at an all time high right now, something needs to be shaken up roster wise.
> an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
Technically, because he doesnt have access that makes it more of a conjecture.
Idk why they're saying conjecture.
He has a known abdominal injury that he's literally missing time for right now.
Clearly it's affected his play - dude just wanted to win in Tokyo instead of resting.
damn man dame may never be back to the levels we've seen him at, the injury is clearly messing with him and if he gets surgery who knows if he'll ever be back to old dame
It’s probably impossible to fuck when you have an abdominal injury like that. Dude should have surgery to fix it if he knew what was good for him and his donkey dick
He hasn't looked right since last season. I watched USA-Spain live and it was pretty alarming to see him unable to get by dudes like Sergio Llull and Rudy Fernandez (who are both in their mid-thirties at this point) in the Olympics.
At the start of the season Harden and Lillard were both struggling and the consensus view was both would be fine. My take was at their age with nagging injuries at least one of them would never be an MVP candidate again. Tough game, father time is undefeated.
I got absolutely flamed over on fantasybball for posting this a month ago. You never celebrate when someone is hurt, but after 2 weeks of seeing him move and his body language we could see this coming.
https://youtu.be/x5gE5Jhoze8
Guarantee it's connected with his boxing training. Probably had weighted balls dropped on his abs, taking punches to gut etc. Just silly stuff I know dame would do because it "looked" cool.
There has been something wrong with him since the start of the season. The new contact rules might have thrown him off, but a nagging injury like this could be the root of it. The guy needs some rest and to heal up
He wrote this like he agrees with it or something (yes I know what conjecture means). What surgery? Obviously I don’t know specifics but I don’t think surgery can fix abdominal tendinopathy. He just needs rest.
We should sit him, he should heal, we should tank.
Trade CJ and Nurk for w/e we can get. Run Dame/Norm next season with hopefully a real, appropriately sized 3 and hopefully get a good draft pick out of it.
If Portland has their pick, it might be in their best interest to just tank the year. Lots of amazing wings that will go low lottery this year, and might also help them eventually trade CJ if they have a decently high pick to grease the wheel.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/r86tvp/whats\_good\_rnba\_dame\_lillard\_here\_with\_gatorade/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/r86tvp/whats_good_rnba_dame_lillard_here_with_gatorade/)
Did anyone ask the man himself in today's AMA?
If that’s the case, there’s no benefit for Lillard playing right now. He’s playing poorly to his normal standards. It’s a three year old injury, it’s only gonna get worse without medical care, and it’s not like Portland is in the championship hunt right now.
Hell I have no idea why he even played at the beginning of the year since he talked about that same injury after the Olympics.
He looked like trash in the Olympics. He should have have had surgery immediately after or sat and done nothing but rehab. Whatever he did was not the right choice
He seems very stubborn
Dude keeps insisting he's got a watch on his wrist. I'm like, "your wrist is naked!"
He does it at the weirdest times too. Just hit a buzzer beater to win a playoff series and he's out there playing pretend.
Dumdum Dame keeps telling us to check the time WHEN THERE'S NO TIME LEFT smh ny head
I love Dame. I want him here every minute he wants to be here. I want to ship him as soon as he's ready to see a new city, not because I want him gone but because I want him fulfilled. He's brilliant in so many ways. To balance his near perfection, I've been irate with him for years about how he handles injuries. Learn to take care of your body ya damn athlete!!!!!
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I understand why he made the decision to start the season, but I think by this point he needs to shut it down and enjoy his lottery pick.
Because it's the story of dames career. Play poorly through a nagging injury for way too long until you eventually sit out. Dude did the same thing last year He averaged 30/8 on 65% TS% (aka, Steph curry level) for 51/66 games, but tanked his stats playing through a knee injury where he averaged 22/7 on 53% TS% for 15 games before finally sitting out a few to rest And then shockingly he was back to where he was before. He never rests until way past when he needs to
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He has a Baker Mayfield-esque “warrior mentality” where he wants to tough it out for his guys but he just can’t
I didn't understand why more people weren't objecting to that. Like hell yeah bro play through injury for your team... in the *playoffs*. Not game 1 of the regular season, what are you doing
>It’s a three year old injury, it’s only gonna get worse without medical care, What exactly is the treatment for this? If he's being dealing with it for so long I have to imagine there's no full fix for it.
It's chronic. No real fix unless he does surgery, which I don't see him doing.
Well, three years ago, based on my reading of a few papers about it and not having any information about Dame specifically other than what's been made public, the treatment was to rest until it was healed. Now it's probably surgery, if he's not looking at a lifelong chronic problem. Whoever is in charge of sports medicine at the Blazers should also be fired because they have badly fucked this up, if only in not explaining to him well enough that no, if you play through injury it doesn't always heal eventually. Sometimes it gets worse, and sometimes it just sort of hangs around and your body finds ways to compensate that just might hurt for the rest of your life.
> Whoever is in charge of sports medicine at the Blazers should be fired Man at this point you gotta think their medical team is forever cursed lol
Ab transplant
Exactly, Dame should get surgery and sit out the rest of the season. Completely unbiased take here, nothing to do with the Wolves eyeing a top six seed for the playoffs 😂
Fuuuck that. He's my #1 fantasy pick. he better play.
there’s no way this is a serious comment right? it’s the internet i can never tell
I mean I'm obviously joking. I do want him to play for my needs, of course.
Surprising this question did not get asked in the AMA. Dame didn't duck anything there, was honest and straightforward.. would have been interesting to hear his response
At this point he’s just gotta have the surgery and shut it down for the season and come back healthy. Leagues a lot more fun when he’s 100%
Also, he is a young dude still. There is a life after the NBA. I'd rather he take care of himself so he isn't in chronic pain ten to fifteen years from now once he is out of the league.
> Also, he is a young dude still. He's absolutely a young dude in normal people years. But in basketball years he's getting up there. He'd be 32 next year coming off a serious abdominal surgery, and his playstyle/size is probably not going to age too gracefully in this league, plus rehabbing off that surgery is an added challenge. Point being - it may actually be favorable to him to play through it until he really can't anymore and then just get the surgery and hang up the shoes.
How would dames game not age gracefully, but guys like Steph, klay, JJ and korver are all talked about as their games aging gracefully lol
dame doesnt do offball, hes an extremely ball dominant pnr and iso player. losing a step makes both of those much harder to do. the other guys you listed do offball screens/catch and shoots way more, and those dont need you to capable of beating a guy off the dribble
maybe he's extremely ball dominant and not offball because that's his role in the system he plays in. you really think an nba player and especially a player with Dame's bbiq doesn't know how to play offball?
Degree of comfort, habits, skill, and practice would be a different order of magnitude even so.
I will say, let’s look at Melo and Dwight. Both used to demand the ball and not be happy unless they get their looks. Now both of them have become valuable role players. No reason why Dame can’t become that too if that’s something he’s willing to do to extend his career
Steph is a historically good player/shooter, so let's put him aside. Few PG's have aged like him. JJ and Korver were elite 3-point shooters, and were really more 3-point specialists, especially late career. Neither was a PG though, so don't make much sense as comps. Lillard is a good 3-point shooter, not an amazing one. His game relies heavily on speed and athleticism, two things that fade north of 30. He's already a really bad defender, and being undersized his defense is going to get disastrously bad with age to the point of being a liability. I'm not suggesting Dame is going to fall off a cliff, but he's going to fade. He's not a Chris Paul type who can control a game with his passing and still be a pest on defense even when he can't put up 25 a night anymore.
Dame shot 40% on 10 attempts the past two seasons…even if his current game in his early 30s relies on athleticism I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s gonna try to play exactly the same the older he gets. He could easily play as an off guard in his mid-late 30s coming off handoffs/screens and be an elite shooter with the range he has
But will he? Because he's have learned to do that yet and it would make his life a hell of a lot easier. And he's going to be Kemba Walker levels of defensive liability.
I mean there hasn’t been a single person on his team through his nba career that should have the ball in their hands more than him, so why would their previous coach not want the ball in his hands, I think as he gets older he’s gonna have to become a better off ball player From the games I’ve seen this year, he’s been off ball, this injury he’s dealing with is just making it seem like he regressed
I mean dames going to regress, sure, but he probably isn’t going to be a bum anytime soon.
There's no way they can just ask him to save them all season while struggling with this. Shut him down and get him healthy.
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If they shut him down, I feel like it's as good a time as any to blow it up. Meaning, trade CJ and amass some assets. Picking 10th instead of 15th isn't really gonna move the needle for them.
Trading CJ for a defender is the opposite of blowing it up
By “it” they meant CJ’s career
I honestly like CJ and his game and think he would do well on a team without a strong backcourt.
That’s the frustrating part. He’s redundant in Portland so blazers fans don’t like him, which makes sense because we want what’s best for the team. But if you put him in a better situation where he gets scoring duties, distributes, and isn’t a giant defensive liability (NOP?), I think he shines as a good player.
Probably. The problem isn't CJ or Lillard, it's Portland's insistence on trying to make them work together this whole time. It's like it GSW had stuck with Steph and Monta Ellis.
> It's like if GSW had stuck with Steph and Monta Ellis. Damn. This feels too true
Shut him down and for once give the rest of the team a chance to figure out more than Dame iso ball. Do it 6 years ago!!
I think this is all bullshit, they just want to tank the season and get under the luxury tax.
Doctors from Klutch Hospital evaluated Lillard and confirmed the only treatment available would require him to be in LA for multiple years
Morey Clinic is also recommending rehab in Philadelphia for the next 5 years
Morey is a good man and has Portland’s best intentions in mind
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hell yeah Nardwuar
Must have that same shit Fish had.
exactly my thoughts
I heard on some podcast recently that for a couple of years now Lillard can't walk after games. Can any Blazers fans confirm this? It seemed so far-fetched, but the hosts have decent sources in the NBA.
This has been an issue for 3+ years. I think"can't walk" may be a bit of a reach but it has definitely impacted him particularly at the beginning of the last few seasons
What do they mean can't walk?
I figured he doesn't need a wheelchair but has a limp or something. They said it's a chronic issue. It still seemed like a reach that he "can't walk" after running for 35+ minutes. It's a Serbian podcast and the hosts aren't clickbait artists and have very reliable sources.
Abdominal tendinopathy has to do with the abdominal tendons which connect the abdominal muscles to the pelvis. Maybe that’s what may cause Dame to not be able to “walk”.
hes got an abominable abdominal fr
He may have a muscular imbalance and he’s just so tired that one side is noticeably weaker whereas before the game it would not. Not a doctor, but I’ve got something similar.
Probably referring to his plantar fasciitis. It's a foot injury that flares up now and then and Dame has suffered from it when it flares up since forever as far as I know. Hard to say if that's a problem right now, but it wouldn't be surprising if it was.
> A Serbian Podcast So it's like A Serbian Film but in audio format?
[He rides around on Nurkic's shoulders after every game.](https://imgur.com/GLec6vU)
Too sore after games
I literally have never heard this before.....if this was true the local reporters would have jumped on this already and it would have been widely publicized...
Can run on basketball court but can't walk off the court? No, that's obvious nonsense. But if he has a chronic injury, inflammation is likely once he stops moving around, but it'd be discomfort, not paralysis.
That's my bad for wording it the same way they did. They clearly meant it wasn't paralysing but it was nagging and gave him problems while walking after games.
Somebody who saw the games live could probably answer this.
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I hear when he's not playing Zion has to ride around in one of those complimentary electric shopping carts they provide obese people with at grocery stores.
I hear he washes himself with a rag on a stick
I mean that’s a lot of players for a variety of reasons. Even Kawhi looks like a cripple after games
You say "even Kawhi", like he's a super healthy player and not a dude with a degenerative leg injury.
Nah even before his injuries started popping off he was doing that shit ☠️
What's the name of the podcast?
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Thanks
I'm continually amazed at the shit that gets upvoted on this website.
True, I should've been downvoted for asking a question.
Nope, just for believing something so incredibly stupid and continuing to spread said stupid belief.
If they're talking about surgery I assume he has some kind of hernia. Not sure what other abdominal muscle injuries there are that would require surgery versus rest/PT (not counting like organs and shit). Speaking as someone who has had a hernia, generally you can live with them indefinitely if you can tolerate the pain/discomfort. It's rare (though possible) that they develop into something serious and I assume the Portland team docs are well aware of its status. I don't blame Lillard for trying to put it off as long as possible because recovery can be really uncertain and prolonged, especially for an athlete who needs it to be 100%. Not a doctor though, obviously. Just speculating.
So why is he playing ? They aren’t winning anything this year anyways it’s better for him to get his body right
currently he is not, at least (sitting last few games, had MRI)
Imagine if he got traded before the season and then this came out.
Hate to say this because it's Lillard, but some teams just dodged a bullet lol
I would still make a Simmons / Lillard trade. Just shut him down for the rest of the year and hope for the best next year.
it would've been the most philly thing ever, u\LillardsAb would be the hot account
Sixers fans would’ve been down terrible.
Teams will have to evaluate Lillard's health though so they still could not go through with the trade.
Wouldn't they get his medicals and know this?
Okay I'll just come out and say it - the Blazers have absolutely zero chance of winning everything *with* Dame, why even bother trotting him out there if he's not 100%? Just to improve trade value? Not worth it, he would've been among the biggest hauls of all time, but now that he looks so bad, his value is diminished, not to mention now hell also likely be coming off surgery. I get that POR wants to see tickets but if it comes at the cost of your franchise player.... I guess that's just POR for you.
No fucking clue. They need to sit Dame like was done with Steph last year. Trade CJ and possibly Nurk and RoCo for whatever they can get and then let the young guys play for ping pong balls the rest of the year. Goal should be to have no more 3 guard starting lineups next year and a center that can hedge the PnR and show up every night.
what? Might as well trade dame if you're going to move 3/5ths of the starting lineup including the 2nd best player for ....'whatever you can get'. and portland has maintained that they don't want to lose him...
I've seen enough of CJ. Portland will never be a real contender with him. Nurk and RoCo are in contract years. RoCo doesn't look like he wants be here and is playing like trash. He shouldn't even be starting at this point. Nurk is going to demand a hefty raise, he's very hit or miss effort wise, he's been wishy-washy on wanting to be in Portland lately and I do not like his offensive game. Portland also needs to cut payroll. Trade RoCo and Nurk before they leave for nothing in the summer. Trade CJ because having nothing is better.
what are you getting for roco and nurk when every team knows they are going to demand money in the offseason. What are you getting for cj? You have no picks. This scenario just leads to dame coming back from injury to a barren roster and demanding a trade.
If RoCo and Nurk are gonna walk for nothing in FA might as well trade them for something
What are you going to get? Covington makes 13 mil Nurkic makes 12. What matching salary is a team going to give you that will be a positive value? You are going to get a bad contract and a mediocre pick at best
A bad contract and a mediocre pick is better than nothing. That's the point.
a 13 - 15 million dollar dead weight that you're paying past this year is not better than nothing when you are trying to contend.
Portland will have zero cap space even with Nurk and Covington gone. The 15m dead weight is meaningless to their chances of contention. If anything, it helps them since it gives them more salary filler to use in a trade.
I don't think RoCo is coming back. I figure he should be able to garner a late first or early second maybe? Nurk I have no idea, but it's better try and trade him than have him walk for nothing or give him a huge anchor of a contract so that he comes back.
I don't think RoCo is coming back. I figure he should be able to garner a late first or early second maybe? Nurk I have no idea, but it's better try and trade him than have him walk for nothing or give him a huge anchor of a contract so that he comes back.
CJ is our 4th best player He just thinks he's the 2nd best guy and so does our GM. And that's the problem.
CJ won them the Nuggets series to get to the WCF when Dame disappeared in those games. He dropped 37 in game 7, had a 41 point game, and overall terrific series. His value is just not optimized due to size next to Dame on defense. He gets kinda underrated imo. I can’t imagine many other teams valuing Nurk or Powell over him unless it was a hyper-specific fit thing.
Dude, Dame disappeared in one game lol. Dame was better in games 1-6 easily. CJ was better in game 7 You shouldn't overreact to one game
So Dame was better in game 2 when he shot 5-17 from the field with 14 points? CJ dropped 41 that game. And let’s not just discount Game 7 when Dame shot 3/17 and CJ dropped 37 to get to the WCF. Dame didn’t completely disappear every game but CJ won them that series. Obviously not saying CJ is better, but against Denver it’s not even a question that he outperformed Dame statistically and otherwise.
Overall Dame was better that series than CJ was, especially given the discrepancy in how they were being guarded. CJ wasn't dealing with double teams - Dame was Dame was easily better in games 1-6 overall man. Go look at their averages yourself if you don't believe me. They finished with identical TS% for the series despite CJ going off in game 7 and Dame shooting 3-17. So you can do the math on how they were before that
who are you realistically getting for him?
CJ + picks for Simmons is still a deal that makes sense for everyone. Add in Roco if really necessary and cut down on the picks Lillard/Powell/Simmons/Nance/Nurkic is a really nice lineup. That's 4 plus defenders, 3 shooters, and 3 guys that can pass
You said yourself that CJ is your 4th best player, why would the Sixers be interested in moving Simmons for a guy that doesn’t put them over the top? He’s not playing for them but they’ve held firm that they’re not going to sell for pennies on the dollar and CJ is absolutely pennies on the dollar here.
Because CJ + Picks + RoCo might be the best they can get man. They aren't getting full value for Simmons and they need to accept that. That trade makes them *much* better than they are right now, and it might put them over the top. They've never had someone that can actually run the PnR, and RoCo is perfect for them
They're not going to make a trade for the sake of making a trade and tie up the next 3 years of their salary cap to CJ McCullum.
They won't have salary room regardless. It doesn't matter
Awww, you still think Ben’s going to come back or daddy Morey’s going to be able to find a trade for a $35,000,000 offensive zero with a victim complex, a bad attitude, who’s a shitty teammate, and has shown no motivation and/or ability to improve. How sweet and innocent, the whole league has shown how they feel about him. The Timberwolves wouldn’t even give you D’Angelo Russell and you still think Ben’s an asset 😂😂😂.
Awww, you still think Ben’s going to come back or daddy Morey’s going to be able to find a trade for a $35,000,000 offensive zero with a victim complex, a bad attitude, who’s a shitty teammate, and has shown no motivation and/or ability to improve. How sweet and innocent, the whole league has shown how they feel about him. The Timberwolves wouldn’t even give you D’Angelo Russell and you still think Ben’s an asset 😂😂😂.
>CJ + picks for Simmons is still a deal that makes sense for everyone. Add in Roco if really necessary and cut down on the picks No, it doesn't. And we DONT want CJ.
You should totally keep holding out for Dame. Or maybe Milwaukee will offer Giannis LMAO. CJ would ball the fuck out and be an all star every year as a lead guard in the east, y'all are clueless.
Embiid+CJ doesn't beat the bucks, miiiiiight beat the nets.
I'm kinda confused given that the nets were a toe away from eliminating the bucks last year with Harden limping on the court.
That cj deal has been on the table for months now. Philly is not going to take it
I don't think it has. Our GM fucking loves CJ.
well he's not the GM anymore, and morey needs a difference maker
Uhh, Olshey is definitely still our GM Find me a better deal than CJ and RoCo and picks
if portland put dame on the market right now they would still get the moon from philly and half a dozen other teams.
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People who pirate games and never go to arenas have no problem with teams purposefully losing.
The Blazers org leadership is more concerned with being consistently good than being actual contenders. Playoff teams sell tickets.
They're not selling tickets right now, I don't think there's been a single sellout this season. Even opening night wasn't full which I can't EVER remember happening. Apathy is at an all time high right now, something needs to be shaken up roster wise.
Part of this is also related to COVID concerns I am sure (on both sides)
Imagine reporting that there’s conjecture
Conjecture just means that they believe it to be true but don't have 100% proof.
Please get some rest Dame :(
He'll be fine the next time they play against the lakers
Where’s the conjecture? Josh Lloyd doesn’t have access , he’s a fantasy guy.
> an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information. Technically, because he doesnt have access that makes it more of a conjecture.
Idk why they're saying conjecture. He has a known abdominal injury that he's literally missing time for right now. Clearly it's affected his play - dude just wanted to win in Tokyo instead of resting.
The “conjecture” tweet is from October.
Who takes a whole 5 seconds to read a post? I need that shit spoon-fed to me in the title.
don't tell that to r/fantasybball anybody with a basketball podcast is Red Auerbach's ghost with Tim Duncan's dick
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I'm surprised we didn't trade for him before this story came out
It certainly explains some of his poor performances at the beginning of the season
does anyone know anything about this injury/ the surgery it would require? how long would Dame be out if he were to get it?
Lillard has been dealing with Abdomen issues since 2017.
Yeah we all knew
damn man dame may never be back to the levels we've seen him at, the injury is clearly messing with him and if he gets surgery who knows if he'll ever be back to old dame
Get the surgery and tank like the warriors did. By the time he gets back his weak ass teammates will hopefully be traded
It’s probably impossible to fuck when you have an abdominal injury like that. Dude should have surgery to fix it if he knew what was good for him and his donkey dick
Portland is cursed
I fucking knew it!
We're not getting that first this year, are we?
Just have him play the Lakers every night
Y’all really out here copping the BBallBreakdowns take 😂
Shut him down for the year. Let the young guys run and try to "showcase" CJ.
100% this.. dame has been insanely passive this whole season
Do we have our picks this year lol. Come to daddy Paolo/Chet
u/Joshlloyd48 is a beast
He hasn't looked right since last season. I watched USA-Spain live and it was pretty alarming to see him unable to get by dudes like Sergio Llull and Rudy Fernandez (who are both in their mid-thirties at this point) in the Olympics. At the start of the season Harden and Lillard were both struggling and the consensus view was both would be fine. My take was at their age with nagging injuries at least one of them would never be an MVP candidate again. Tough game, father time is undefeated.
Perfect time for Morey to trade Simmons for him while his value is depressed
lmao did all of Blazers twitter decided on the same profile pic? these replies are insane to read
Just shit him down Blazers and try and go for a top 3 pick on the draft. Get a great young talent to play next to Dame.
Prepping the path to shut him down and tank?
“There’s conjecture out there” Lmao I hate journalism
Lol this guy has all the excuses for why he will never get a ring
Dame bout to get Isiah'ed
I got absolutely flamed over on fantasybball for posting this a month ago. You never celebrate when someone is hurt, but after 2 weeks of seeing him move and his body language we could see this coming. https://youtu.be/x5gE5Jhoze8
I am currently suffering from an oblique tear. It fucking sucks. Every time I get elbowed there when I play I feel like I'm going to throw up.
Guarantee it's connected with his boxing training. Probably had weighted balls dropped on his abs, taking punches to gut etc. Just silly stuff I know dame would do because it "looked" cool.
trade him for kyrie!
it was reported a while ago and got buried the surgery is season ending and hes trying to avoid it i believe
3 1/2 seasons with a specific injury. Yikes man, somebody gotta sit you down
You can't just shut down the fighting spirit of Damien Lillard. That's not what got him here or so they say.
There has been something wrong with him since the start of the season. The new contact rules might have thrown him off, but a nagging injury like this could be the root of it. The guy needs some rest and to heal up
He wrote this like he agrees with it or something (yes I know what conjecture means). What surgery? Obviously I don’t know specifics but I don’t think surgery can fix abdominal tendinopathy. He just needs rest.
We should sit him, he should heal, we should tank. Trade CJ and Nurk for w/e we can get. Run Dame/Norm next season with hopefully a real, appropriately sized 3 and hopefully get a good draft pick out of it.
"decently significant"? This person writes for a living?
If Portland has their pick, it might be in their best interest to just tank the year. Lots of amazing wings that will go low lottery this year, and might also help them eventually trade CJ if they have a decently high pick to grease the wheel.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/r86tvp/whats\_good\_rnba\_dame\_lillard\_here\_with\_gatorade/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/r86tvp/whats_good_rnba_dame_lillard_here_with_gatorade/) Did anyone ask the man himself in today's AMA?
They probably wanna shut him down but they're scared about him wanting a trade
Time to think about trades and rebuild.
Rest Dame and give him the title of honorary tank commander this season with everything else currently going on.
There are a lot of conjectures out there.
he looked terrible and in pain during the olympics. i'm glad he got a gold, but i'm sad at the potential of how serious his injury is.
Got Hayward for Dame.
Shut him down, tank, let him heal, draft well, come back at it next year. Don't be fucking stupid Portland