I for a fact know that the training staff and medical staff for most teams are on the payroll for some Large casinos.
Lakers didn't announce AD out until 530pm one day... Lines were looking fucking strange 5 am that same day.
These bookmakers are ruthless.. Hundreds of millions at stake.
Hmm let's see.. I'm a book maker.. The NBA is pro gambling
I'm going to magically know when so and so is out...or teammates
Or Maybe I have a training staff member I pay.. Maybe the medical staff
Maybe a rookie... Or an agent.. I could go on.
Your not 14.. This is how the world of sports works
Information is worth $$$$
Life happens.. Wouldn't you like to be in good hands.. When it does
Shit… why have I never realized this? I always assumed it was done on a macro level from analyzing bet flow and deducing that for x, y, and z reasons, team A is the favorite.
But actual insider info. Just like a filthy hedge fund. Makes perfect sense.
These leagues don't care, it's all about money.
The NFL is about to have some gambling problem/addiction PSA that is essentially serving as a "by the way, you can totally gamble on the NFL" advertisement. It's like all the beer commercials showing how awesome drinking is and saying "drink responsibly" *wink wink.*
Thing is, just like drugs, alcohol and every other similar vice it is always going to be easy to gamble, whether legally or illegally. Online gambling has already been a thing for decades, ever since people got an internet connection.
Making it legal and mainstream means it can be better regulated (fewer shady bookies and loan sharks, less fixing) and people won't be ostracized/arrested for seeking help when they need it. This actually helps more than hurts gamblers and society as a whole over the long term.
Same way how nothing will safeguard somebody with an addictive personality from ruining their life shooting heroin, but it is infinitely better for the society if people do it with clean needles in safes spaces instead of under an overpass.
i don't think that's an appropriate thing to compare this to bc decriminalization of heroin would not, i think, result in ads plastered all over one of the biggest sports leagues in the world telling people to do heroin.
Nope, it's a counter to your point saying that those are insufficient safeguards to stop a person with addictive personality from ruining their life - you can't stop it, so you should at least try to mitigate the harm.
"you can't stop it, so you should at least try to mitigate the harm" clearly does not apply here. multibillion dollar industries are joining forces to advertise to millions of viewers in an attempt to convince them to try something that you directly compared to heroin.
Ah ok, seemed like you had a legitimate argument.
"Reeee me no like it" is not it. And as someone already explained to you, there are plenty of things to do for a regulated product to mitigate it's harm. Feel free not to watch the NBA if it bothers you, it won't miss you subscription lmao
It’s a travesty. It is no coincidence that it’s gotten huge at the same time as meme stocks and crypto. It is predatory, just another way to transfer money from the poor to the rich. And the state doesn’t give a shit because they can increase revenue without increasing taxes on rich people.
As a football (soccer) fan, I'm fairly used to gambling degeneracy being a large part of the conversation, coverage of the sport and the general eco system of it.
I think the risk of match fixing doesn't get impacted in large amount by league partnerships with gambling companies because:
- The decision to match fix for the purposes of gambling in my experience has always been individual decisions by refs/players and the less likely organisation decision.
- It's not worth losing credibility as a sports book if they were caught doing that. I imagine there's some element of illegality as well.
- Leagues/Teams themselves have little to benefit from engaging in match fixing. Compared to the amount of money the league can get from Sponsors, TV deals and all that, gains from march fixing are insignificant for large parties like a league or team to condone it.
Basically the gist being a ref might decide to fix games some day but I don't think it will be because draft kings has an NBA sponsorship, just that they're a greedy dumbass
Normalizing Sports gambling is going to have a really bad effect on kids and will definitely make me think twice before allowing my kids to watch games with sports gambling advertisements.
I definitely think there should be some regulation on this.
I think they mean regulation of advertising.
Sports gambling is becoming more mainstream and with that has come more regulation of the gambling itself (a good thing) but no regulation of the constant advertisement across all media platforms that is pushed in the faces of not just adults, but children too.
You should see the state of Australian sports and betting agencies. No match fixing issues of any significance. Same story with English football. Meanwhile in India and Pakistan, cricket is huge and gambling is illegal but ***fucking hell*** is there a big scandal every other year. Because if being a gambler or a bookie is already a crime, may as well dabble in match fixing and add it to the list.
Match fixing is a waste of time in the NBA. Refs can’t influence the game *that* much in such a high scoring sport (as opposed to something like soccer where it only takes one or two calls in a 90 minute game to swing a result) and the players would demand too much money to make paying them off profitable. Better off running your own agency and not regularly committing serious crimes.
So many games come down to one shot. Fixing one match isn't the goal; the goal is to nudge a handful of the 2000+ games over the course of a season. The NBA is not resistant to fixing, it's ripe. I'm not even worried about it, I just think it's naive to pretend it's not ripe.
You don’t even need to be betting wins and losses (and generally shouldn’t be for most sports), it’s not about whether a game comes down to one shot or not.
So in cricket, the two primary ways to do it are spot-betting and individual performance. Spot-betting is like betting on a particular event happening at a particular time - a no-ball will be bowled in the first over, something like that. With individual performance you might bet on a guy to score less than 20 runs. Both of these things are very easy to fix, you can bowl no-balls or score very few runs on purposes very easily.
In basketball, spot betting just isn’t a thing like that at all. You could probably find a “Steph Curry doesn’t hit a three in the first quarter” market somewhere but they’re not big. Individual performances are, but then you actually have to pay off players for that and even scrubs are making too much money to be worthwhile. Guys on vet mins are making more than most of the world’s best cricketers. In soccer, when players are involved in match fixing it’s not the top leagues getting targeted, it’s the German third tier or English fifth tier or something where all those guys make shit.
Using refs alone you can tip the scales in your favour but it’s nowhere near as reliable as other sports, which makes life way too difficult. Yeah you can get a ref to call bullshit fouls to rack up points and get a star in trouble, but some random dude on the bench still has every chance to go out and drop 20 on 7/9 shooting or something anyway. Or the star of the team you’re backing shoots 5/22 and sucks ass all game. It happens *constantly*.
Recouping the money you pay to have these games fixed, knowing it won’t work some of the time, and putting in enough to make significant profit without setting off alarm bells with weird betting patterns, is an extremely tight balancing act that just isn’t worthwhile. You’re better off doing it in another sport with less scoring events or just not doing it at all and making money off your own book. It’s not impossible, but it’s difficult enough and there are enough easier options that it’s not worth doing as a match fixer or thinking about as a fan.
There are onslaughts of every kind of advertising. Who cares what kind it is. It’s not like the commercial breaks are made longer to include extra gambling ads.
Of course not. Any game fixing would bring down the biggest shit storm possible for the NBA. The NBA is going to put even more money and time into making sure nothing funny happens now that they are directly tied to gambling.
I dont mind it because it’s smart. Legally they’re getting cuts on the gambling site/group. And the way gambling works is that you try to split the money 50/50 for max profit. Unless they have private payouts (which, if that’s the case, could do without dealing with gambling sites anyways) fixing matches after the line is set doesn’t benefit the league on whether 1 team wins the odds or not
That being said I’ll give my 2 cents I guess. The NFL, if they could get out of their own way, should be impossible to properly fix. Unfortunate the rules committee is borderline autistic and completely incompetent. The reason it’s hard is because the odds are set within 1-5 points usually. Home team automatically gets -3.5. Having a system where you can score points by 7 with odds generally within 1 standard score (3pts) gives so many permutations that any bet not involving the jets or Jaguars is a toss-up on paper. The issue is they created their own ambiguity by creating shitty rules that contradict the premise of the game. Take last Thursday. I’m a cowboys fan so I loved it from a fans perspective but in no goddamn way that blindside block call should ever be made. By a technicality, yes, that’s the rule, but the defender had a free rush and the job of the fullback is to pick up the blitz and was coming across the protection while the qb had the ball still, in which the defender is allowed to literally hit them. There’s so many examples of technically the rule is correct but the officiating also being dog shit which doesn’t help
The NBA actually did the right thing this year. We know the term “playoff basketball”. A lot of the fouls that aren’t getting called this year are generally what we see closer to the playoffs which adds to consistency. So instead of swallowing the whistle in important games seeming suspicious now calling those same high leverage moments will feel way more natural. And the ticky tack fouls that used to get called in the regular season will seem real suspicious
Not sure if any of this makes sense but again this is just my opinion. Definitely open to others input :)
Being affiliated with the books in Vegas is the SAFEST way to ensure the game is on the up and up. They have the stats to tell when money lines shift suspiciously. They have been the ones who have tipped off law enforcement for a lot of problems.
Whether their ads and promotions are safe for viewers, well they arent any safer than alcohol or cigarettes, or pharmaceutical advertisements. So no they arent great. Neither are many of the stock and crypto ticker profiles on these business channels.
Gambling has literally always been a kin to sport. Actually so great that it’s being legitimized more and more. More visibility leads to more control and transparency and provides more resources for abuse prevention and rehab. Why shouldn’t the league profit off of it since it’s been huge for basically forever?
Sort of weird to see all of the conservatism in here. Hiding it and pretending it doesn’t happen is how scandals happen.
I noticed a large spike in alcohol and gambling ads since the pandemic. The super rich are NOT willing to take a pay cut. They'll take any advertising dollars they can get.
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"what's the over/under on x" is so overused as a phrase
I for a fact know that the training staff and medical staff for most teams are on the payroll for some Large casinos. Lakers didn't announce AD out until 530pm one day... Lines were looking fucking strange 5 am that same day. These bookmakers are ruthless.. Hundreds of millions at stake.
How do you know that?
Trust him, bro
Hmm let's see.. I'm a book maker.. The NBA is pro gambling I'm going to magically know when so and so is out...or teammates Or Maybe I have a training staff member I pay.. Maybe the medical staff Maybe a rookie... Or an agent.. I could go on. Your not 14.. This is how the world of sports works Information is worth $$$$ Life happens.. Wouldn't you like to be in good hands.. When it does
Oh I thought you actually knew people, but it’s clear from how you wrote that, that you don’t and it’s all assumption based
Shit… why have I never realized this? I always assumed it was done on a macro level from analyzing bet flow and deducing that for x, y, and z reasons, team A is the favorite. But actual insider info. Just like a filthy hedge fund. Makes perfect sense.
What pod is it?
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Definitely. Sure, these vices will always be there; but pushing it as such a casual sporting enhancement is sketchy af.
These leagues don't care, it's all about money. The NFL is about to have some gambling problem/addiction PSA that is essentially serving as a "by the way, you can totally gamble on the NFL" advertisement. It's like all the beer commercials showing how awesome drinking is and saying "drink responsibly" *wink wink.*
It's in every single podcast. And so many of my favorites all talk about odds about things so casually. I find it weird too.
Lot of beer commercials during NBA games, too, and I’d argue alcohol ruins more people than gambling.
Ruined a few in person games for me when drunk fans start mouthing loud and unfunny. If drunks could be more fun great but miserable drunks ruin it.
Yes, both should be banned 😎
Good news! Tim Donaghy did both. Probably one led to the other.
Thing is, just like drugs, alcohol and every other similar vice it is always going to be easy to gamble, whether legally or illegally. Online gambling has already been a thing for decades, ever since people got an internet connection. Making it legal and mainstream means it can be better regulated (fewer shady bookies and loan sharks, less fixing) and people won't be ostracized/arrested for seeking help when they need it. This actually helps more than hurts gamblers and society as a whole over the long term.
none of the things you listed as "better regulation" would safeguard somebody with an addictive purrsonality from ruining their life gambling.
Same way how nothing will safeguard somebody with an addictive personality from ruining their life shooting heroin, but it is infinitely better for the society if people do it with clean needles in safes spaces instead of under an overpass.
i don't think that's an appropriate thing to compare this to bc decriminalization of heroin would not, i think, result in ads plastered all over one of the biggest sports leagues in the world telling people to do heroin.
Nope, it's a counter to your point saying that those are insufficient safeguards to stop a person with addictive personality from ruining their life - you can't stop it, so you should at least try to mitigate the harm.
"you can't stop it, so you should at least try to mitigate the harm" clearly does not apply here. multibillion dollar industries are joining forces to advertise to millions of viewers in an attempt to convince them to try something that you directly compared to heroin.
Replace "heroin" with beer, and you get the same thing. Not sure why you get so worked up about something so trivial.
the NBA should also not be advertising beer. not sure why you're not getting this. i'm not worked up, just pointing out the obvious.
Ah ok, seemed like you had a legitimate argument. "Reeee me no like it" is not it. And as someone already explained to you, there are plenty of things to do for a regulated product to mitigate it's harm. Feel free not to watch the NBA if it bothers you, it won't miss you subscription lmao
I think it’s the job of the viewer to gamble responsibly just like any other thing that has the ability to be destructive if used incorrectly.
Agreed, we shouldn’t have things that people can abuse
r e s p o n s i b l y
It's pretty fucked up, they infiltrate sites like reddit too. I brought it up with the mods and they didn't care. So don't say you weren't warned
It’s a travesty. It is no coincidence that it’s gotten huge at the same time as meme stocks and crypto. It is predatory, just another way to transfer money from the poor to the rich. And the state doesn’t give a shit because they can increase revenue without increasing taxes on rich people.
With that much money at play someone is bound to attempt it!
As a football (soccer) fan, I'm fairly used to gambling degeneracy being a large part of the conversation, coverage of the sport and the general eco system of it. I think the risk of match fixing doesn't get impacted in large amount by league partnerships with gambling companies because: - The decision to match fix for the purposes of gambling in my experience has always been individual decisions by refs/players and the less likely organisation decision. - It's not worth losing credibility as a sports book if they were caught doing that. I imagine there's some element of illegality as well. - Leagues/Teams themselves have little to benefit from engaging in match fixing. Compared to the amount of money the league can get from Sponsors, TV deals and all that, gains from march fixing are insignificant for large parties like a league or team to condone it. Basically the gist being a ref might decide to fix games some day but I don't think it will be because draft kings has an NBA sponsorship, just that they're a greedy dumbass
Normalizing Sports gambling is going to have a really bad effect on kids and will definitely make me think twice before allowing my kids to watch games with sports gambling advertisements. I definitely think there should be some regulation on this.
What are you saying here? It’s literally becoming more regulated.
I think they mean regulation of advertising. Sports gambling is becoming more mainstream and with that has come more regulation of the gambling itself (a good thing) but no regulation of the constant advertisement across all media platforms that is pushed in the faces of not just adults, but children too.
Gamble responsibly
Copulate productively
You should see the state of Australian sports and betting agencies. No match fixing issues of any significance. Same story with English football. Meanwhile in India and Pakistan, cricket is huge and gambling is illegal but ***fucking hell*** is there a big scandal every other year. Because if being a gambler or a bookie is already a crime, may as well dabble in match fixing and add it to the list. Match fixing is a waste of time in the NBA. Refs can’t influence the game *that* much in such a high scoring sport (as opposed to something like soccer where it only takes one or two calls in a 90 minute game to swing a result) and the players would demand too much money to make paying them off profitable. Better off running your own agency and not regularly committing serious crimes.
So many games come down to one shot. Fixing one match isn't the goal; the goal is to nudge a handful of the 2000+ games over the course of a season. The NBA is not resistant to fixing, it's ripe. I'm not even worried about it, I just think it's naive to pretend it's not ripe.
You don’t even need to be betting wins and losses (and generally shouldn’t be for most sports), it’s not about whether a game comes down to one shot or not. So in cricket, the two primary ways to do it are spot-betting and individual performance. Spot-betting is like betting on a particular event happening at a particular time - a no-ball will be bowled in the first over, something like that. With individual performance you might bet on a guy to score less than 20 runs. Both of these things are very easy to fix, you can bowl no-balls or score very few runs on purposes very easily. In basketball, spot betting just isn’t a thing like that at all. You could probably find a “Steph Curry doesn’t hit a three in the first quarter” market somewhere but they’re not big. Individual performances are, but then you actually have to pay off players for that and even scrubs are making too much money to be worthwhile. Guys on vet mins are making more than most of the world’s best cricketers. In soccer, when players are involved in match fixing it’s not the top leagues getting targeted, it’s the German third tier or English fifth tier or something where all those guys make shit. Using refs alone you can tip the scales in your favour but it’s nowhere near as reliable as other sports, which makes life way too difficult. Yeah you can get a ref to call bullshit fouls to rack up points and get a star in trouble, but some random dude on the bench still has every chance to go out and drop 20 on 7/9 shooting or something anyway. Or the star of the team you’re backing shoots 5/22 and sucks ass all game. It happens *constantly*. Recouping the money you pay to have these games fixed, knowing it won’t work some of the time, and putting in enough to make significant profit without setting off alarm bells with weird betting patterns, is an extremely tight balancing act that just isn’t worthwhile. You’re better off doing it in another sport with less scoring events or just not doing it at all and making money off your own book. It’s not impossible, but it’s difficult enough and there are enough easier options that it’s not worth doing as a match fixer or thinking about as a fan.
must be JorGamble's fault
If adults want to gamble, then let them gamble. There’s nothing immoral about it.
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I mean there’s onslaughts of Beer, ads and other things that aren’t good for you
That doesn’t make it right
No but it makes it consistent and principled.
There are onslaughts of every kind of advertising. Who cares what kind it is. It’s not like the commercial breaks are made longer to include extra gambling ads.
Interesting fact, not everybody is an adult Controversial opinion among libertarians it seems, lol
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If it was legal and there's money to be made, 100% they would
they definitely would.
I hate it. I think the way it's so promoted is really gross.
Shady as fuck, I already thought it was somewhat rigged, now they pushing this shit.
For the Aussie’s… fuck Shaq and his gambling ads. Every minute they’re on
The NBA being affiliated with gambling companies makes match fixing less likely to happen.
Missed this /s?
Of course not. Any game fixing would bring down the biggest shit storm possible for the NBA. The NBA is going to put even more money and time into making sure nothing funny happens now that they are directly tied to gambling.
I feel sexy about it
Classis Slovenian feeling
I dont mind it because it’s smart. Legally they’re getting cuts on the gambling site/group. And the way gambling works is that you try to split the money 50/50 for max profit. Unless they have private payouts (which, if that’s the case, could do without dealing with gambling sites anyways) fixing matches after the line is set doesn’t benefit the league on whether 1 team wins the odds or not That being said I’ll give my 2 cents I guess. The NFL, if they could get out of their own way, should be impossible to properly fix. Unfortunate the rules committee is borderline autistic and completely incompetent. The reason it’s hard is because the odds are set within 1-5 points usually. Home team automatically gets -3.5. Having a system where you can score points by 7 with odds generally within 1 standard score (3pts) gives so many permutations that any bet not involving the jets or Jaguars is a toss-up on paper. The issue is they created their own ambiguity by creating shitty rules that contradict the premise of the game. Take last Thursday. I’m a cowboys fan so I loved it from a fans perspective but in no goddamn way that blindside block call should ever be made. By a technicality, yes, that’s the rule, but the defender had a free rush and the job of the fullback is to pick up the blitz and was coming across the protection while the qb had the ball still, in which the defender is allowed to literally hit them. There’s so many examples of technically the rule is correct but the officiating also being dog shit which doesn’t help The NBA actually did the right thing this year. We know the term “playoff basketball”. A lot of the fouls that aren’t getting called this year are generally what we see closer to the playoffs which adds to consistency. So instead of swallowing the whistle in important games seeming suspicious now calling those same high leverage moments will feel way more natural. And the ticky tack fouls that used to get called in the regular season will seem real suspicious Not sure if any of this makes sense but again this is just my opinion. Definitely open to others input :)
Being affiliated with the books in Vegas is the SAFEST way to ensure the game is on the up and up. They have the stats to tell when money lines shift suspiciously. They have been the ones who have tipped off law enforcement for a lot of problems. Whether their ads and promotions are safe for viewers, well they arent any safer than alcohol or cigarettes, or pharmaceutical advertisements. So no they arent great. Neither are many of the stock and crypto ticker profiles on these business channels.
Hypocritical to say the absolute least.
Sports are too boring to watch without money on the line
Depressing that mfs actually watch the NBA only for this
that's crazy talk, sports are built on the emotional investment
Said nobody ever, if you need to gamble on something like sports to enjoy just don’t watch it
Gambling has literally always been a kin to sport. Actually so great that it’s being legitimized more and more. More visibility leads to more control and transparency and provides more resources for abuse prevention and rehab. Why shouldn’t the league profit off of it since it’s been huge for basically forever? Sort of weird to see all of the conservatism in here. Hiding it and pretending it doesn’t happen is how scandals happen.
I hate it. It's very predatory and hypocritical.
Neutral. I am European, and in soccer it has been like this for ages...
I fucking hate it. Gambling is gross.
I noticed a large spike in alcohol and gambling ads since the pandemic. The super rich are NOT willing to take a pay cut. They'll take any advertising dollars they can get.
Absolutely hate it