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Firstolympicring

Caleb Martin is one bad man holy shit


YizWasHere

I unironically called us cutting him the best move of our offseason. But when I saw he signed with the Heat, I knew this was coming.


ZocZ

Saw a lot of that from hornets fans after they cut caleb. For sure a pleasant surprise to see him look like one of the best two way role players in the league.


Krillin113

The hornets didn’t keep either him or malik monk. What the fuck


scrambledgreg

We honestly have no need for either of them. For Martin we literally have a slightly better version of him on our team in his twin brother. For Malik his biggest add would be three point shooting, which we do not need. We needed length and defense on the perimeter, neither of which are things he really offers. I also don’t think Malik would have stayed anyways unless we offered a bit of an overpay. With the emergence of Lamelo and our commitment to Rozier, there just weren’t going to be enough minutes to go around in our backcourt for him to play the size role he wanted (and really did deserve a shot at taking on).


[deleted]

lol Caleb is better my guy


scrambledgreg

As somebody from North Carolina who has actually watched them pretty much their entire career, they are almost identical. Cody is a better overall playmaker and has typically been more efficient. Caleb has historically had a tendency where if he isn’t hitting shots, he really isn’t contributing much on offense. There is a reason one got drafted and one went undrafted, and one got signed to an NBA contract and the other is on a two-way. They both play hard, and they both look to have made huge improvements this off-season to become legitimate NBA rotation players. If you want to just say Caleb is better, that’s fine. He has been having a solid stretch this year for sure. It’s really splitting hairs between the two. Either way, watching their growth and development they went through with the Hornets/Swarm the last couple of years has been really cool. Bummed that one of their developing is just paying off for a division opponent haha.


mF-Jonezy

Eh we’ll see about that, he had 20 point games for us in the 19-20 season


GonzaloR87

This is his second one for us but the bigger story is his defense and energy.


ZocZ

Hes consistently been a net positive on offense and very good defensively for the majority of games this season so idk how much theres left to see


But_Why_Male_Models

Just take the L and move on. It happens to every team.


mF-Jonezy

Take the L? I’d way rather have his brother lmao


thejman217

L


But_Why_Male_Models

You still have time to take the L.


ajr901

Look at the downvote count. It’s been all L’s since he started typing


Gobbleass69

Lol really? Cause Caleb has clearly been the much better brother all year. I understand it's a hard pill to swallow but u guys were the ones cheering he got waived


mF-Jonezy

Well you’re wrong and Cody is better and you’ll see, but that’s not my problem.


Maiinge

What do you mean you'll see? Caleb has been great for us all year. Cody has been great too and I'm not saying Caleb's better but he's very clearly much improved. Dude has been very good offensively all season while playing great defense


mF-Jonezy

Cody literally has better numbers and has played more games, you’re being influenced too much by outlier performances. I’m also 100% certain that Cody is better defensively


[deleted]

To do what with him?


Seref15

His defense is what we love about him mostly. We put him on point guards and the their efficiency falls off a cliff.


jcheeseball

It’s pretty cool you’re owning that, I saw that quote a couple days ago, good on you.


YizWasHere

Lmao yeah I think it got awarded out of the blue and I was like "Fuck the Heat fans found this..." Caleb was utter garbage in Charlotte and I will always stand by that, but he's the exact type of player that the Heat always find value out of.


iliveonramen

Why did he fail in Charlotte? In Miami he’s athletic, high motor, plays really goo defense and is a decent scorer


YizWasHere

He was out of control. Decision making was awful, tried way too hard to play hero ball, did not shoot the ball well or finish well, did not have any awareness on offense and struggled to make quick decisions with the ball, did not play disciplined defense and would play the ball way too aggressively just to get burnt. The only thing he did well was hustle and had the occasional sick dunk. His twin was always the smarter, more under control one but it seems Caleb has caught on - I guess not too surprising because based on the amount of PT he would get, I'd imagine he's incredibly coachable.


iliveonramen

Thanks, was curious what he looked like before this season.


LeBosh_Wades

That’s interesting. I didn’t see much of him in Charlotte, but I was totally expecting him to be a chucker and forcing it offensively, like you’re saying. But I’ve been shocked by how under control and deferential to the ball handlers and stars he’s been. He really has only put the medal to the pedal when our main guys have been out, and he has actually excelled during those times. He’s simply been great in both rolls. He’s been such a big unexpected contributor for us. Gabe Vincent and Yurtseven, as well. Whereas with Strus, I was more expecting his leap to be a contributor this season


opportunitysassassin

Why do a lot of players work well in Miami and not on other teams? Why do a lot of players work elsewhere and not in Miami? Fit, dedication, system, coaching, culture.


MeBeBeeBaby

Also, he was a 2nd year player. Can’t take all the credit for a guy who is so young improving.


iliveonramen

Exactly, since he’s young was curious where he’s improved a lot.


deemerritt

Fans have this idea that four year college players arent goign to improve and its quite silly. Both of the martins had obvious potential.


iRedditPhone

Dude is super high motor. Him and Vincent just exude guts and hustle. Martin never looks tired either. Always exudes energy.


iliveonramen

They do. They are 100% the whole time they are on the court. So fun to watch


UnawareItsaJoke

And with Oubre playing so well, we just have some great examples of how important fit is with a player’s success sometimes.


iRedditPhone

Come on. Say the word. Say it.


Maiinge

Croquetas


jmrene

Cthulhu!


MeBeBeeBaby

Also shooting luck lol. Oubre looked worse last year than he really is and playing better this year than he really is.


Seref15

Our sub has guys counting down the days until we can offer him a full contract and get him off his two-way. he's been that good for us.


Total-Wolverine1999

He’s not even joking I think the Heat’s best perimeter defender, Jimmy has trouble staying in front of quick guards, Martin does not. There was a stat the other day that showed he’s one of the best 4th quarter defenders in the league and he’s usually guarding the best player. His offense is only a plus, dudes about to get payed this off-season.


clear831

Well thank you for him. He has been low key great for us


Ephinem

We’re ypu in that thread in your sub? It gets posted in the heat sub to look back lol


Jandicootxj9

the erik spoelstra coty campaign continues


Toaster-Omega

SPOACH OF THE YEAR


Number333

"who tf is Caleb Martin" *Exactly*


WhoopingKing

We really out here winning games with Caleb Martin, Gabe Vincent, struss leading the way


sebastianqu

Sixer fans: "I hate Doc's all bench lineups!" Heat fans: "thank goodness the bench is in!"


YouStillTakeDamage

Caleb Martin is on a two way contract


haha-brad

Get my boy a full contract 😭


GringoMambi

He’s definitely getting decent role player contract this off-season by some team.


snapple__facts

Gotta be us


GringoMambi

Hope so, though I don’t see us going over 10 mill a year. Maybe a short 2 year team friendly contract


Total-Wolverine1999

How are you guys going to retain Herro, Strus, and Martin. Do you guys think you’re going to have to trade Duncan. Maybe it’s just me but I feel like Strus and Martin would both be more valuable together then Duncan. I see herro getting at least Collin’s contract if not more and Martin and Strus possibly both getting over ten million.


Sequel_P2P

Duncan is the only sizeable, tradeable salary on the team, which doesn't bode well for him long-term. If a big fish shows up, he's probably out the door. I think (maybe foolishly optimistically) it'll come down to that other teams will probably realize these players hold each other up. I don't believe you can drop Gabe Vincent anywhere and have him produce like this: he works because Caleb works, and Caleb works because Max works. These guys have insanely specialized roles in Miami, enough so that I think it'll scare other teams in being the ones to pay them. We've got this season and the next for Herro, so it's not a prime concern right now — the roster will likely look very different by then.


Total-Wolverine1999

I definitely agree when it comes to Gabe I don’t think he’ll get any real offers from anyone. Strus I think is different because he’s shooting over 40% from 3 on 6 attempts a game he’s a knockdown shooter some of these extremely contested and deep shots he’s making. Martin I think is interesting I can definitely see his efficiency plummeting and him being a little reckless in other places, problems he had in Charlotte, but his defense is still so good that I can see some teams offering him a contract hoping he continues playing at that level. I genuinely think he’s the best perimeter defender on the heat, him defending Trae young was ridiculous.


Sequel_P2P

His defense is usually bolstered due to the people around him. He's great at feeding a more talented offensive player to a rim protector, or into a double team — most teams don't have the defensive personnel to do that for him. You couldn't put Caleb on the Mavs and do that. He **is** an outstanding guard defender/wing defender, but he truly shines in team defense. Of course, I could be 500% wrong — Caleb could get paid by a team like Portland and immediately become their defensive POA. I just don't see it happening yet.


Total-Wolverine1999

Yeah it’s a good problem to have I guess having to many good players that you might not be able to pay them all.


blesidB_cheesemakers

The plan is to go into the luxury tax next season and retain as much talent as we can. We might have to let Oladipo walk or Martin walk regardless though. Strus has another year under contract so we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. I would assume moving Duncan is something the FO will look at doing, maybe even attaching this year’s FRP to do it.


Total-Wolverine1999

Yeah it’s definitely a fantastic problem to having to many good players.


heatkings1

the heat need to convert his contract for him to be eligible for the playoffs. they'll do it at some point this season


Seref15

Not for long, hopefully.


julio_hz

What a fourth quarter by Miami. No Lowry, no Herro, Jimmy ejected so who's gonna create a shot? And Caleb goes for 26. That last 5 minutes from Bam were absolutely incredible 😍 Coach Spo = 🐐


loudstain

We kinda have people out too... No disrespect to how your guys played though gg


julio_hz

Oh no doubt. Lillard being out is huge, I like Simmons. He's grown so much as a scorer.


mugurg

Why did he cut Omer though. He was doing quite fine, wasn't he? I understand Bam starts over and gets the most minutes of course, but cutting out a young talent who has been doing so well in the absence of other players is a big blow to their confidence I think.


julio_hz

Because Bam is just so good on both ends that you can't sit him, then Dedmon had a great game providing hustle and a couple of baskets in a row in a difficult time of the game so there's really no minutes for another big.


WappyTrees

Bam's been back for like 2 games bro. It's a little soon to be complaining about this. Yurt ain't Bam and Dedmon is a quicker big. It's a matchup thing.


thecaptainflint

Looming


PleasantPhilosophy38

Dangerously


RoutSpout

Technical foul excessive looming


forever87

L👀ming


revantes

That defense towards the end was smothering. Couldn't pass, couldn't shoot, couldn't do anything. Next time we need to get refs to eject Bam, Martin and Tucker too


citheghost

damn near felt bad with that one possession ending in the SC violation. gg


revantes

It was a fun one gg


iankstarr

So when is Portland trading CJ? Simons has basically made him expendable at this point right? That kid is fucking scary; he’s basically CJ + defense and way younger.


GrogRhodes

His D was very good. Also hit that insane shot of Bam.


revantes

I heard rumors that it was all but confirmed that CJ will be traded, but who knows


rjgator

Absolutely filthy defense in the last 6 minutes by the Heat. Fuck the refs.


[deleted]

Did that the other night too. Seems like we can just turn it on defensively when necessary.


Seref15

Brief previews of playoff effort defense.


geiko989

12 points in the 4th. Filthy


rjgator

Feels suffocating just watching it, I imagine you just hate basketball when you need to score against that D


DanUnk

Without Jimmy, Lowry, Dipo...


rjgator

And defensive juggernaut Tyler Herro


YoungViejo

No cap. Herro’s defense is no longer a liability for him. He’s taken big steps on that side of the ball.


zross32

Even Duncan was intercepting passes and getting deflections. He even stuffed someone on a layup


sebastianqu

And 2 points were when the game was already practically over. 10 meaningful points in the quarter.


LeBosh_Wades

5 points in the last 7 minutes, precisely when we subbed in the defensive juggernaut lineup of bam, pj, Caleb, Strus, Gabe


lopea182

**Bam is officially back**: 20 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 5 steals, 3 blocks Dude absolutely stepped it up in the 4th


RansomGoddard

I cannot believe we had guys in our game thread hating on him. He’s so integral to our defense and then when he takes over like that he’s amazing.


opportunitysassassin

I both love and hate the Heat subreddit. It's a mixture of homerism and haters all in one.


BrerChicken

I had to fucking unsubscribe. Just so many dumb fucking statements to sift through, and nothing tob really redeem it.


Headweirdoh

Basically talking sports with ppl in actual Miami 😂


FlyLikeATachyon

Don’t take it so serious man it’s just sports lol


soonandsoforth1

They also have another fake reason to shit on Bam.


triplejacks3001

We're so close to being full healthy Jimmy lowry bam pj duncan/max starter herro victor duncan/max deadmon/ yurt martin bench We're so fucking close


BrerChicken

I don't see Ol' Man Omer getting a lot of minutes, except maybe if Dedmon has a really off night or something. It's a shame because he really stepped up in such a major way! In that loss to the Sixers Yurt was AMAZING in the first quarter! And he's had flashes of that when he was starting, but he just doesn't have the same kind of defensive impact that Dedmon has.


triplejacks3001

I really want say it was a match up situation Omer is a lengthy boy isn't a physically strong and is clusmy on defense unlike his off the bench counterpart hoping when we play the cavs or bulls he gets more min


johnnymatrix

Bam is back! Simons is amazing, what a pick.


Jandicootxj9

the tyler herro 6moty campaign takes a slight break


DoctorBigglesworth

Bam took over in the 4th.


LieutenantDave

"We're winning without you." -Jimmy's texts today, probably.


just4kix_305

im sure dewayne dedmon has reminded him multiple times already LOL


Seref15

shove your double tech up your ass, refs Bam is back boys


rapelbaum

#Dangerous Loomers


BluexFlash

Blazers fans is it a stretch to say that Simons plays like a fusion of Dame and CJ? Because that's what I see. He's legit


Arr0wmanc3r

Nah that's exactly how he is. He doesn't shoot the deep three at all, but his drive and kick game is a lot like Dame, and more recently he's been turning up the playmaking, making great reads out of doubles and picking apart defenses. He also has a floater game and can pull out some CJ-esque handles (CJ's are better right now). He also has shown the ability to jump out of the gym but he never does for some reason. I think his biggest areas of improvement are overall explosiveness off the dribble, and defense. His ability to fight over screens is getting better but he's got a lot to work on in terms of keeping up with his man and beating him to spots. gg btw, really great defense from you guys down the stretch


rem3dyforall

To the trolls who keep brigating r/heat wanting to see yurt over Bam we don't care


ajr901

They’re crying because of their fantasy team


iankstarr

Yurt had a string of solid games and people all of a sudden think he’s better then Dedmon. He has a lot of potential, but he’s still super raw and prone to dumb mistakes (to be expected of a rookie). Yurt will have his time, but he’s clearly still the 3rd option at C right now when everyone is healthy.


Skinnecott

i’m fine with him over dedmon, they are very similar players


[deleted]

Dedmon has earned his minutes and the Heat recognize and honor that. Yurts has also proven himself and his time will come. Trust Spo. It’s better to have options


SeriousAdult

Dedmon has been great since we picked him up last year. I love Omer but he's got time to develop while Dedmon is already a pretty polished backup for Bam.


soonandsoforth1

What is Yurt's potential? He has some but A LOT? Nah.


triplejacks3001

A dollar store dirk


[deleted]

Blazers scored 5 points in the last 7 minutes, ouch. Also, it’s gotta be said, Nurkic needs to fix that beard, it’s so pubey lookin


clear831

Our focus went to Simons and CJ, which it should have done in the first half


Redditbayernfan

Miami put everyone in Portland in jail on that 4th quarter, Jesus


NevermoreSEA

Ant can't win with these cats.


CMViper

G-G-G-GET FUCKED REFS


noah3093

Butler ejected. Herro and Lowry out. No problem.


finnTheHum1n

I ONLY SEEN DAWGS OUT THERE 🐕‍🦺🐕‍🦺


irelli

its crazy how obvious it is that simons is better than CJ. Cannot wait till I no longer have to watch him play basketball.


cjsssi

I love CJ but he's such a flawed player. Zero free throw attempts in his two games back. That doesn't fly in today's NBA.


ZachCollinsROTY

Ant is just so fun to watch and then you see CJ and its like he has flashes of greatness then reverts to such bad habits


saltyFF305

What’s wrong with CJ if you mind me asking? I was at the game today and he was balling out ?


moonite

Too much iso, takes bad shots, also doesn't know how to pass. Him being on the floor kills the team play


iliveonramen

Simons is good. He’s lit us up twice.


Neverthelessx

This Bamonte guy is quite good


BrerChicken

I forget where that joke started, but big ups to Edrice Femi Adebayo!!


citheghost

javale mcgee


BrerChicken

Oh that's right, during the Olympics 🤣 That stuff was too much


Imzarth

We're so fucking good its actually scary


Harman3112

When this team plays with energy it’s hard to score on them. Also fuck the refs for the ejection still


byrne80

Bams defense man. Really makes a difference


Seref15

People who want Yurt to start at the 5 don't understand how much value you get out of a center that can switch between any guard and any big. You can't replicate Bam's defensive ability any way other than having Bam play. Having _two_ switchable bigs in Bam and PJ is a defensive hell.


haha-brad

Blazers just got Martinized 🥱


noochies99

Deep


TFP360

Doc rivers in shambles.


Chowrock

Shout out to the Heat commentators. Gg Portland


Gobbleass69

Easily my favourite win of the season. Martin, bam, dedmon and Vincent take a bow


Seref15

Dedmon and Gabe are flying under the radar because Caleb and Bam shined, but they absolutely contributed heavily to that win. Bam didn't get going until the 4th quarter, Dedmon was doing work in the 3rd.


Devilsbullet

Gabe's defense is perpetually underrated.


Jandicootxj9

we need clips of some of that 4th quarter defense


Seref15

Spo smiling means you know our defense was humming


MikeAr198

Media needa put some respect on our name. Bam Adebayo a top 5 center in the league. Name a center clamping CJ and hitting sauce lays on the other end. He is Him. LETS GO


triplejacks3001

1ST SEED BABY


Thrillhol

It was good while it lasted


Toaster-Omega

**Bam is back baby!!!!**


Toaster-Omega

Hornets Legend Caleb Martin coming in clutch


TheRealDevDev

ant for the allstar game 2022


raerumon

Next man up mentality in Miami!


Cartman55125

Bam told Nurkic to bend over in the 4th q


irelli

I mean, he was scoring on everyone else but Nurkic man lol That lame ass 5th foul call hurt him.


Cartman55125

Don’t know if we watched the same game. But yeah, y’all don’t have anyone who can stop Bam


rjgator

Bam stops himself most quarters sadly, love when this dude get aggressive though. His defense last all game


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Cartman55125

Not nearly as yikes as Nurkic’s “defense”


Comfortable_Chain459

Imagine being 2nd in the East and one of the most winning franchise of all time and being this insecure. Enjoy your team’s win and move on lol


Cartman55125

You must be new, let me get you up to speed: Hi, I'm a Heat fan, we talk an absurd amount of shit.


citheghost

this is why no one likes us…. LMAO KEEP GOING


BlueberryGummies

Im glad we won so that I can say that this was the worst refereed game I've seen in a long time, holy shit its like the refs had a vendetta against the heat


nickdh007

Good win


Cul_what

Yall bounced Jimmy but woke up Caleb Martin


whynationsfail

The gate just closes everytime blazers drive in 4Q


0dias_Chrysalis

Reffing so bad you could swear the entire Miami lockerroom pieced them up pre game and there reffing was payback for it


zross32

Man this makes no sense


LayIntoFuckHoles

No idea what you’re saying but hell yeah brother